I really hope we find E.T. life soon

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by TheHeretic, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. TheHeretic Registered Senior Member

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    I really hope we make this discovery sometime soon and i hope it is intelligent life too. This will hopfully force our government to make extreme advances in space technology. We really should be colonizing the moon in 50 years or so. We could probally have a fleet of space destroyers before the next century. But we currently have to reason to.
     
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  3. Starthane Xyzth returns occasionally... Valued Senior Member

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    Only finding INTELLIGENT and ADVANCED extraterrestrial life would be a motivation to feel threatened and rush into the development of an aggressive space programme.

    We ought to be colonising the moon within the next half century even if we are alone in the Universe. As for "space destroyers," what do you want to destroy?
     
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  5. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    i see no need for space cruiser destroyer things, by the time we get the technology america will be gone and we will need no military to protect ourselves
     
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  7. Gambit Star Universal Entity Registered Senior Member

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    What sort of example do we set for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence anyway ?

    If you look at our lifestyle and way of thinking, human beings we just the lucky rodents that made it in life.
    For as long as we treat this earth like its some sort of toy, there will never be any contact made by ET's, unless, they come here to pull our shit together for us.

    We're just fucking kids of the universe, fucking it up for fututre generations of all species on Earth.
     
  8. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I would add 'and HOSTILE'.

    The more frightening possibility is that we are one of the very few intelligent species in the Universe and represent the peak of what life can achieve.
     
  9. briank Registered Member

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    What makes you think we'll ever find life? If the current theory evolution and solar system formation is true, the chances of finding intelligent life close enough to contact and still around at this same instant in time are pretty slim.
     
  10. TheHeretic Registered Senior Member

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    why do you say the chances of finding E.T. are slim. There are a billions of stars in our galaxy and their are billions of galaxies in our universe. I think the chances are pretty high that life exists out there. I suggest reading the book probability its a good read.
     
  11. btimsah Registered Senior Member

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    The assumption seem's to have been made that we can't make space-weapons. That would make us hostile. Not really; we just need defenses in case ETI IS hostile. I'm sure the aliens have their weapons - and laugh at our rather cute, yet insecure "no weapons" mindset. What if the other life-forms decide they want our beatifull planet? We would be stuck - unable to do anything by our impotent no weapons policy. See, I've watched the "Disclosure projects" video and they harp on the problems of weapons in space but never the benefits of. There's just more to it. They don't see UFOS as hostile. Even when they believe they have rendered some of our nukes useless.. They think that's "peacefull" I guess? I'm just too republican I guess.. lol

    At this point I feel ETI is "top secret" because of their motives or weapons are so damn scary compared to ours.

    There's no reason to assume we are the dumbest outpost in space, and unable to operate peacefully - WITH WEAPONS.
     
  12. TheHeretic Registered Senior Member

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    when we first encounter ET it will probally be like when the eurpeans encountered the native americans for the first time. One of us will be extremely behind in technology.
     
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  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What are you going to eat on the moon? Humans aren't meant for space. Our bodies are part of the Earth. We can send our senses out into space with robots.
     
  15. Maddad Time is a Weighty Problem Registered Senior Member

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    That logic works both ways. Whatever conditions created life here are probably duplicated on many of the 10<Sup>22</Sup> other solar systems in the universe. We should have intelligent life jumping out at us from behind every trash can.
     
  16. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    That's what the fish said when it was left behind by its amphibian cousin, or the ape that said 'it's comfortable in the forest, why should I walk upright on the savanna?'
     
  17. Starthane Xyzth returns occasionally... Valued Senior Member

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    If self-protection in the wider galactic environment is necessary at all, what does it matter if the requisite hardware is American-manufactured; or Chinese, or Congolese, or New Zealandish, or indeed built by as-yet unborn human nations which will arise from deep ocean colonies?

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  18. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    If one considered Gaia theory, one might say that humans were the seed of nature. A vine will stretch out to clutch a tree branch or garden fence to expand it's territory. A pack of animals will procreate and occupy large portions of land, continually trying to expand territory. Humans spread and claim most of the surface of the world. We've run out of room. The next logical step for nature would be to shoot off to other celestial bodies. That's where we come in. Ambitious, chaotic, yet resultingly highly creative and constructive creatures that do much more than just eat, sleep, shit, mate, repeat. We wonder.

    As for not having space weapons, and not a bad idea if any near-earth objects endanger us, i think we could easily build a defensive network around our planet. Utilizing nukes, or possibly high-power capacitor-operated lasers. I always thought particle accelerators or mass-launchers would be nice. I mean, a 1g chunk of shrapnel doing 10 km/s would blow apart a tank with ridicuous ease. Space vacuum would be a nice place to do this, letting an accelerator thousands of kms away to pulvurize the bejesus out of an incomming rock.

    A new zealand space navy would be something worth seeing... lol
     
  19. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    Such defences would protect against attacking spacecraft, missiles and even small asteroids; but if a very determined enemy were to accelerate a small asteroid up to relativistic speeds they would be useless.

    Eventually there could be an interplanetary arms race; if relativistic weapons come into use, they can only be stopped with very large lasers using a substantial proportion of the sun's energy; to collect this you need a power collection swarm covering the sun;
    the solar system would need incredibly sensitive defence radar as well.

    Interstellar attack craft would use vast amounts of energy just to get to the destination- and still have much less offensive energy to deploy on arrival than the defenders (who have a sun to draw energy from, after all).

    If advanced civilisations are going to have wars, they will use vast amounts of energy and effort on both sides- this is a terrible waste of time and effort to acheive an eventual stalemate, and hopefuly the idea of interstellar war will have been abandoned long ago.
     
  20. Starthane Xyzth returns occasionally... Valued Senior Member

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    Then again, the very concept of energy budgeting may become completely redundant for a civilization sufficiently advanced. Not only may they have 100% efficient matter-energy conversion techniques, but there might be ways to turn quantum vaccum energy itself into power. That would be truly inexhaustible, and available anywhere.

    A defending civilization's own sun could be turned against it by such technology: unleashing collossal amounts of quantum-derived energy within the star could cause it to explode...
     
  21. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The history of the Earth strongly indicates that life is very likely to occur where ever conditions are suitable for it. Life elsewhere in the universe seems very likely.

    Our history strongly suggests that intelligent life is a lucky fluke. Intelligent life is probably very rare. We might be the only intelligent life in the universe and are likely to one of very few examples.
     
  22. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Read "The Forge of God" by Greg Bear, then tell me you're eager to meet ET...
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I hope not.

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