I'm not alone...

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by TruthSeeker, Apr 11, 2002.

  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yes, I want evidence. Do you have any?
     
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  5. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    James,

    This looks like very elaborate pseudoscience. Once all the perceived scientific wrappings are removed there is nothing of substance underneath.

    Cris
     
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  7. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    You say that because they are new ideas...
    But you know what...?
    Eventhough all those who have new ideas are persecuted and stoned, in the end, they are always proved right...

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  8. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    I won't argue the 'stoned' part....

    But I doubt it is simply due to the newness of thier ideas.
     
  9. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    What then...?

    Love,
    Nelson
     
  10. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Thier ideas are incoherent and pseudoscientific, perhaps?

    Take quantum mechanics. Utterly bizzare theory, which no-one in thier right mind would pay any attention to....unless...

    Yet the whole of the scientific community pays attention to and uses this theory - why?

    Because it is supported by evidence.
     
  11. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Xev,

    You know taht the New Physics is extremely hard to get evidence, don't you? Last week, I've read about a guy who has a new idea about the Schoedinger's Cat... His experiment MUST be done in space and it occupies many miles...
    Who will spend money on that? And if the guy is right, then what? Will the experiment be done?

    There are experiments to prove those things but they are usually unaffordable... (or at least really expensive...)...

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    Nelson
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i agree with that. Pesudosciece is just science where the theries are being developed. Rember Gailo was called mad and a lot of other things till after he had died then it was how brillant. Why are scientests who devlop the stuff allways crasy untill years latter
     
  13. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Posted by Asguard:
    Yes...

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    That's what I've been asking myself for a loooong time...

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  14. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    No one in the field of science is persecuted and stoned anymore, that was a leftover from the dark ages when religion had power. Fortunately we have moved on from those days of barbarism.

    Today scientists are actively encouraged to formulate new hypotheses since that is the primary method of introducing new ideas. But even then it is estimated that the vast majority of such hypotheses are discarded early when they are proved wrong.

    A few hypotheses do attract supporting evidence and may eventually result in theories that provide practical applications. Strictly speaking a hypothesis is never proved right but merely that it has not been proved wrong.

    In this respect every component and implication of your statement is incorrect.

    Cris
     
  15. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Nelson:
    Yes. But it is not simply the lack of evidence, but the lack of any testable hypothesis.

    I saw no experiments proposed.

    It seemed a bit of this and that from various fields of physics, cobbled together to make a whole.

    Asguard:
    No, it is not. Pseudoscience is un-scientific theory that uses facts of science but not its methods.

    Here:
    http://skepdic.com/pseudosc.html

    Think back to quantum mechanics - absolutly absurd theory! Yet as it developed, it was quickly accepted by most scientists. Why? Because there was evidence supporting the theory.

    Or relativity, also absurd, also quickly accepted once there was evidence for it.
     
  16. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    This discussion makes the bells of memories of posts long lost ring again. ( that was probably totally grammatically incorrect...)
    What if evidence can only be found when entering an altered state of consciousness?

     
  17. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Asguard, truthseeker,

    No definitely not.

    Pseudoscience: a system of theories, assumptions, and methods erroneously regarded as scientific.

    Or IOW pseudoscience represents poorly formulated ideas that do not conform to the scientific method and are hence essentially worthless in terms of scientific acceptance.

    Cris
     
  18. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I'm a good Scientist...

    Cris,

    Really... and Albert Einstein, for example... only one of those who had great ideas but too crazy to be listened...

    And Black Holes!?!?!?!
    Aren't they a HUGE paradox in the New Physics??
    And yet... is our best theory to explain what happens with supermassive stars...

    Cris... I studied those things... I know what I'm talking about...
    I really like to mix Sciences just for fun... like Quantum Physics and Astrophysics... and it was mixing those two that I draw all those conclusions you see here...

    My ideas are really crazy,... I'm very innovative and I have a good... imagination...

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    But that's exactly what makes good scientists...

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  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    what about evidance that the earth rotates around the sun?

    It makes sence now but how many people were burned for proposing it. There may be no more burnings but even the quantum mechanics was dismised at first and im sure someone called enstine mad for relatity to
     
  20. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Cris, we posted simultaneously!
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Bebelina,

    Good question Bebel...

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    Xev,

    Only because there is evidence for those things, it doens't mean they are right. It depends on the way you look at it...

    The fact is that once you explore the unknown, a new language must be born to explain it.

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  22. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Posted by me:
    That's exactly what I'm doing here... and that's exactly why "you" don't understand it...

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  23. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Nelson:
    Umm, Nelson, I think you need to read up on your history. Einstein's theories were accepted almost the moment he had evidence for them.

    No, not really. In any case, there is evidence for thier existance.

    BTW, 'New Physics'? I have never heard the term....

    No it isn't, Nelson. Imagination, and the relentless dedication to hard work and verification is what makes good scientists.

    You don't even understand the scientific method.....

     

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