Want evidence for what I'm saying?
Better...!
Want proofs!?!?

I'm not alone... :)

http://www.zayra.de/soulcom/notfree/index.html

Love,
Nelson

Yes, I want evidence. Do you have any?

James,

This looks like very elaborate pseudoscience. Once all the perceived scientific wrappings are removed there is nothing of substance underneath.

Cris

You say that because they are new ideas...
But you know what...?
Eventhough all those who have new ideas are persecuted and stoned, in the end, they are always proved right...

Love,
Nelson

I won't argue the 'stoned' part....

But I doubt it is simply due to the newness of thier ideas.

But I doubt it is simply due to the newness of thier ideas.
What then...?

Love,
Nelson

Thier ideas are incoherent and pseudoscientific, perhaps?

Take quantum mechanics. Utterly bizzare theory, which no-one in thier right mind would pay any attention to....unless...

Yet the whole of the scientific community pays attention to and uses this theory - why?

Because it is supported by evidence.

Xev,

You know taht the New Physics is extremely hard to get evidence, don't you? Last week, I've read about a guy who has a new idea about the Schoedinger's Cat... His experiment MUST be done in space and it occupies many miles...
Who will spend money on that? And if the guy is right, then what? Will the experiment be done?

There are experiments to prove those things but they are usually unaffordable... (or at least really expensive...)...

Love,
Nelson

i agree with that. Pesudosciece is just science where the theries are being developed. Rember Gailo was called mad and a lot of other things till after he had died then it was how brillant. Why are scientests who devlop the stuff allways crasy untill years latter

Posted by Asguard:
Why are scientests who devlop the stuff allways crasy untill years latter

Yes... :D:D
That's what I've been asking myself for a loooong time... :rolleyes:

Love,
Nelson

truthseeker,

Eventhough all those who have new ideas are persecuted and stoned, in the end, they are always proved right...No one in the field of science is persecuted and stoned anymore, that was a leftover from the dark ages when religion had power. Fortunately we have moved on from those days of barbarism.

Today scientists are actively encouraged to formulate new hypotheses since that is the primary method of introducing new ideas. But even then it is estimated that the vast majority of such hypotheses are discarded early when they are proved wrong.

A few hypotheses do attract supporting evidence and may eventually result in theories that provide practical applications. Strictly speaking a hypothesis is never proved right but merely that it has not been proved wrong.

In this respect every component and implication of your statement is incorrect.

Cris

Nelson:
You know taht the New Physics is extremely hard to get evidence, don't you?

Yes. But it is not simply the lack of evidence, but the lack of any testable hypothesis.

There are experiments to prove those things but they are usually unaffordable... (or at least really expensive...)...

I saw no experiments proposed.

It seemed a bit of this and that from various fields of physics, cobbled together to make a whole.

Asguard:
Pesudosciece is just science where the theries are being developed.

No, it is not. Pseudoscience is un-scientific theory that uses facts of science but not its methods.

Here:
http://skepdic.com/pseudosc.html

Why are scientests who devlop the stuff allways crasy untill years latter

Think back to quantum mechanics - absolutly absurd theory! Yet as it developed, it was quickly accepted by most scientists. Why? Because there was evidence supporting the theory.

Or relativity, also absurd, also quickly accepted once there was evidence for it.

This discussion makes the bells of memories of posts long lost ring again. ( that was probably totally grammatically incorrect...)
What if evidence can only be found when entering an altered state of consciousness?

Asguard, truthseeker,

Pesudosciece is just science where the theries are being developed. No definitely not.

Pseudoscience: a system of theories, assumptions, and methods erroneously regarded as scientific.

Or IOW pseudoscience represents poorly formulated ideas that do not conform to the scientific method and are hence essentially worthless in terms of scientific acceptance.

Cris

Cris,

No one in the field of science is persecuted and stoned anymore, that was a leftover from the dark ages when religion had power. Fortunately we have moved on from those days of barbarism.

Really... and Albert Einstein, for example... only one of those who had great ideas but too crazy to be listened...

And Black Holes!?!?!?!
Aren't they a HUGE paradox in the New Physics??
And yet... is our best theory to explain what happens with supermassive stars...

Cris... I studied those things... I know what I'm talking about...
I really like to mix Sciences just for fun... like Quantum Physics and Astrophysics... and it was mixing those two that I draw all those conclusions you see here...

My ideas are really crazy,... I'm very innovative and I have a good... imagination... :D:D
But that's exactly what makes good scientists... ;)

Love,
Nelson

what about evidance that the earth rotates around the sun?

It makes sence now but how many people were burned for proposing it. There may be no more burnings but even the quantum mechanics was dismised at first and im sure someone called enstine mad for relatity to

Hey Cris, we posted simultaneously!

Bebelina,

What if evidence can only be found when entering an altered state of consciousness?

Good question Bebel... :D:D:D:D

Xev,

Only because there is evidence for those things, it doens't mean they are right. It depends on the way you look at it...

The fact is that once you explore the unknown, a new language must be born to explain it.

Love,
Nelson

Posted by me:
The fact is that once you explore the unknown, a new language must be born to explain it.

That's exactly what I'm doing here... and that's exactly why "you" don't understand it... ;)

Love,
Nelson

Nelson:
Really... and Albert Einstein, for example... only one of those who had great ideas but too crazy to be listened...

Umm, Nelson, I think you need to read up on your history. Einstein's theories were accepted almost the moment he had evidence for them.

And Black Holes!?!?!?!
Aren't they a HUGE paradox in the New Physics??

No, not really. In any case, there is evidence for thier existance.

BTW, 'New Physics'? I have never heard the term....

My ideas are really crazy,... I'm very innovative and I have a good... imagination...
But that's exactly what makes good scientists...

No it isn't, Nelson. Imagination, and the relentless dedication to hard work and verification is what makes good scientists.

You don't even understand the scientific method.....

[quote]The fact is that once you explore the unknown, a new language must be born to explain it.

Yes and no. You need new words to explain new concepts, but you cannot just put your own interpretation on old words.

That's exactly what I'm doing here... and that's exactly why "you" don't understand it...

You are, without question, one of the most arrogant people I have ever met. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Asguard:

There is evidence, and was, that the earth revolves around the sun. Eclipses, and the better predictions that the sun-centered model gave.

It makes sence now but how many people were burned for proposing it. There may be no more burnings but even the quantum mechanics was dismised at first and im sure someone called enstine mad for relatity to

People were burned because their views were contrary to the Catholic Church's dogma. They were not burned because thier scientific colleages wanted them burned.

And, no, quantum mechanics was not 'dismissed at first' within the scientific community.

Ahhhh..... quantum mechanics.
SOMEwhere, SOMEtime, we are having a
lucid and rational discussion with Nelson.

Almost brings tears to my eyes.

Peace.

Xev,

Umm, Nelson, I think you need to read up on your history. Einstein's theories were accepted almost the moment he had evidence for them.

I wonder what people did and thought when they heard his ideas for the first time......:rolleyes:

BTW, 'New Physics'? I have never heard the term....
I did... and if not, what's the problem in making up a new term that describes it so well...

No it isn't, Nelson. Imagination, and the relentless dedication to hard work and verification is what makes good scientists.

Imagination is the key to unlock the unknown... if you are not open-minded you will ever stay where you are. That's what's happening with you, Cris, tyle, (Q), goofyfish...

You don't even understand the scientific method.....

[list=1]
Observe
Make up a hyphothesis to describe it.
Use it to make predictions
Test it...
Repeat steps 3 and 4 until the theory and observation and/or experiment coincides...
[/list=1]

Satisfied....?

Yes and no. You need new words to explain new concepts, but you cannot just put your own interpretation on old words.

I use metaphors when I lack words to describe it...
And you interpret the words literally...

You are, without question, one of the most arrogant people I have ever met. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I'm not being arrogant... I'm just pieced of because people attack me with no reason... I'm not attacking anyone... so why people attack me? Only because my ideas destroies the basic conceptions of your beliefs making you ungrounded in relation to your net of beliefs necessary to give you a reason for your existance and for the world that you see as you see it...?? :bugeye:

Love,
Nelson

<i>Even though all those who have new ideas are persecuted and stoned, in the end, they are always proved right... </i>

Can't you think of ONE idea which was proved wrong? Not all ideas are right, you know.

"They all laughed at Einstein..."
"Yes, but they all laughed at Bozo the Clown, too."

Originally posted by Bebelina
This discussion makes the bells of memories of posts long lost ring again. ( that was probably totally grammatically incorrect...)
What if evidence can only be found when entering an altered state of consciousness?





Aaaaahhhh Bebelina... but that's something completely different from what these people are looking for isn't it :)

Barney_TRubble,

Aaaaahhhh Bebelina... but that's something completely different from what these people are looking for isn't it

Not exactly...
That's what I'm looking for... ;)

Love,
Nelson

And the Nelson ego continues......

"Imagination is the key to unlock the unknown... if you are not open-minded you will ever stay where you are. That's what's happening with you, Cris, tyle, (Q), goofyfish..."

(by the way, it's Tyler)

"wonder what people did and thought when they heard his ideas for the first time......"

(they asked for evidence and proof, he delivered, they started to believe him)

"My ideas are really crazy,... I'm very innovative and I have a good... imagination...
But that's exactly what makes good scientists..."

"Cris... I studied those things... I know what I'm talking about..."

(you aren't out of high school and you have advanced knowledge of quantam mechanics and such?? Explain to me how you can be both one of the leading scientific minds of our generation and an idiot who can't spell Tyler)

Tyler,

they asked for evidence and proof, he delivered, they started to believe him

I'm taling about when he was about 16, 17 years old and had no money to do the experiments and get the evidences to prove his experiments...

you aren't out of high school and you have advanced knowledge of quantam mechanics and such?? Explain to me how you can be both one of the leading scientific minds of our generation and an idiot who can't spell Tyler

Who said I have advanced knowledge on such thing? I just read some books about it... And understood it......
An idiot don't write fast enough in oreder to spell a word wrong...

Love,
Nelson

"Cris... I studied those things... I know what I'm talking about..."

You suggested you know enough about very advanced science to come up with completely new theories and prove them.

That to me sounds pretty advanced.



By the way, don't use the typing too fast bullshit on me. I invented that shit. When I was 10 they diagnosed me as retarted because I would leave out full sentances or stop half way through a word because my mind went faster than my pen.

I read this stuff, from people who seem to want to believe anything that is "renegade" or outside the general scientific community. Things that have no basis in reality, for which there is zero evidence, and it makes me sad. Don't these gullible freaks know how much real wonder there is within REAL science? Why make up stupid crapola?

It is like Carl Sgan never lived sometimes...*sigh*

Tyler,

You suggested you know enough about very advanced science to come up with completely new theories and prove them.

Btw... I don't remember what I've said I studied...
Anyways... I think I studied them enough to understand them and to explore them a little bit further...

By the way, don't use the typing too fast bullshit on me. I invented that shit. When I was 10 they diagnosed me as retarted because I would leave out full sentances or stop half way through a word because my mind went faster than my pen.
Well... I honestly was typing to fast to see it...
Sometimes I even look for mistakes after posting and edit it... that wasn't the case...

Northwind,

Want evidence for my ideas? Observe Nature carefully and remember things what I've said... how those things are expressed in Nature? Take a look... Observe... That's how we start our ideas isn't?

My ideas don't need rational evidence becasue the evidence of my ideas are already in Nature.

Just observe... ;)

Love,
Nelson

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
My ideas don't need rational evidence becasue the evidence of my ideas are already in Nature.


You are in desperate need of having an anvil dropped on your pointless skull.

Go and look dammit!!!

Next time if you say you are open-mined I would laugh very much...

You didn't even looked!!!
You just say: It's wrong.
You don't even think, you don't even reason about it!!!!!!!!

*sights...

I'm tired of your kind of people...

Goodbye...

Truthseeker,

You haev an ego the size of a planet. Better move out of home and get a real job while you still know everything.

I'm just trying to pass new ideas to closed-minded people...
You know... I could just let them to their on fate, as they wish...
But I don't give up that easy helping people...

One by one will understand what I'm saying...

It seems a little bit egocentric... that's true...
But I'm focusing on what I can do for you. ;)

Love,
Nelson

Look at it how we see it Nelson.

Damn near every philosopher in the history of known thought has reached the conclusion that they do not know all the answers.

You on the other hand, at the age of 18, believe that you know everything. You believe that you scientifically prove the existence of God when none of the brilliant scientists over history have done no such thing. You believe you are more intelligent and open minded than every other human being. You believe you have reached the pinacle of understanding. You compare yourself to Einstein.

You're the most egotistical person I've actually ever met. I've heard people jokingly talk about themselves in high praise, but I have never at all heard someone believe themselves when they think as highly of themselves as you do.

truthseeker,

I'm just trying to pass new ideas to closed-minded people...
You know... I could just let them to their on fate, as they wish...
But I don't give up that easy helping people...

One by one will understand what I'm saying...

It seems a little bit egocentric... that's true...
But I'm focusing on what I can do for you. I’m not sure if you are just stupid or just plain ignorant of the effects of your posts.

Do you have any idea how offensive your post is?

1. You are arrogantly assuming that people want to be helped whether they want it or not. Most people will resent unsolicited advice especially from an arrogant immature juvenile such as yourself.

2. You are insulting nearly everyone here by calling them close-minded.

3. You are again arrogantly assuming that what you have to say people will want to hear.

4. Egocentric? Massively egotistical and conceited fit much better.

5. Uh heck – you aren’t worth the effort.

Grow up a bit kiddo. You are way out of line.

Cris

I'm tired of your kind of people...

Goodbye...

You shouldn't say goodbye. Once you've moved out of your parents basement and enter the real world of responsibility, you'll be dealing with people like us every moment of every day. That is, of course, if you ever move out of your parents basement.

I'm just trying to pass new ideas to closed-minded people...
You know... I could just let them to their on fate, as they wish...
But I don't give up that easy helping people...

I find it rather interesting that you think people need your help and your ideas. Who are you to decide that?

One by one will understand what I'm saying...

No, one by one you'll isolate yourself from the world. You'll be left to die a despot. Is that the life you are looking forward to living? The Q may be stretching the spectrum here morbidly, but I'm sure you get the gist of the long term prognosis.

The Q would suggest hanging around Jehovah's Witness' for a while, perhaps even joining up to their "team." At least you'll gain some experience on the proper methods of manipulating the weak minded.

Unfortunaely, at this time, you're failing miserably in that department.

Nelson: So be it. If you cannot stand the heat of a little skepticism, get out of the kitchen.

Boy, you are not Einstien. You aren't Tesla and you aren't Galileo. No-one is persecuting you, and the most you have suffered is a bit of frustrated teasing.

For one who accused me of arrogance, you need to grow up a bit. You know the secrets of the universe? At 18? I've had two years of college now, I am your age, and I don't know jack shit. What makes you think you are so different?

We aren't looking for your help. We are interested in what you have to say, but aren't looking to convert. Few people are.

I know we sound harsh, but you will deal with people who are a whole lot harsher. You'll have to learn to deal with us.

Good luck boy.

Tyler,

You on the other hand, at the age of 18, believe that you know everything. You believe that you scientifically prove the existence of God when none of the brilliant scientists over history have done no such thing. You believe you are more intelligent and open minded than every other human being. You believe you have reached the pinacle of understanding. You compare yourself to Einstein.

What!?!?!?! I've never said such things!!!!! :bugeye:


Cris,

1. You are arrogantly assuming that people want to be helped whether they want it or not. Most people will resent unsolicited advice especially from an arrogant immature juvenile such as yourself.

First, I've never adressed those posts to any of you, did I?
Second, there are people here who WANT to listen to me... so I won't lose my time with your childish attacks.

2. You are insulting nearly everyone here by calling them close-minded.

It's not an insult, is just the truth...

3. You are again arrogantly assuming that what you have to say people will want to hear.

As I said... open-minded people exist...

4. Egocentric? Massively egotistical and conceited fit much better.

Really? Have you ever looked to a mirror?

5. Uh heck – you aren’t worth the effort.

... well, you certainly aren't...

Grow up a bit kiddo. You are way out of line.

I would say this to you...


(Q),

You shouldn't say goodbye. Once you've moved out of your parents basement and enter the real world of responsibility, you'll be dealing with people like us every moment of every day. That is, of course, if you ever move out of your parents basement.

I already visited some jungles before...

I find it rather interesting that you think people need your help and your ideas. Who are you to decide that?

I didn't... people asked me...

No, one by one you'll isolate yourself from the world. You'll be left to die a despot. Is that the life you are looking forward to living? The Q may be stretching the spectrum here morbidly, but I'm sure you get the gist of the long term prognosis.

That's not what my friends have been saying... I won't say what they say here, as this would be a real egocentrism...

After I began to speak up I won much my friends. Now I have more then the triple of friends I had before. Why with them it works? Because they understand what I say... And they don't attack me...

The Q would suggest hanging around Jehovah's Witness' for a while, perhaps even joining up to their "team." At least you'll gain some experience on the proper methods of manipulating the weak minded.

I don't work only with the mind...

Unfortunaely, at this time, you're failing miserably in that department.

Departament... which departament...?


Xev,

So be it. If you cannot stand the heat of a little skepticism, get out of the kitchen.

That's actually the best advice I received in this thread...
I'm, unfortunatly, pretty worried about the way some people treat others here...

Boy, you are not Einstien. You aren't Tesla and you aren't Galileo. No-one is persecuting you, and the most you have suffered is a bit of frustrated teasing.

I'm persecuted... at least it's what it seems...
I present an idea an those guys attack them like hungry sharks... they don't even READ it!! They just write: wrong... only because they are mine...

For one who accused me of arrogance, you need to grow up a bit. You know the secrets of the universe? At 18? I've had two years of college now, I am your age, and I don't know jack shit. What makes you think you are so different?

I didn't accused you... I said that there are some people here that are... you are not the case. You are actually pretty kind and neat... :)
Well... I certainly had some experiences that proved things that I never imagined before. "Mystical Experience", for example. Do you really think I just believed in what I'm telling you here? I experienced it through meditations, "mystical experiences" and even studing... I didn't want to cite those things here... but as you are asking....

We aren't looking for your help. We are interested in what you have to say, but aren't looking to convert. Few people are.

Other thing that I don't like to say... Yes... people ask my opinion and my "help" in some things... but not through the forums...
"We are interested in what you have to say". You certainly are... but those other guys certainly are only listening to themselves. They don't even try to understand it...! They just begin to attack it!!

I know we sound harsh, but you will deal with people who are a whole lot harsher. You'll have to learn to deal with us.
Yeah... I know... I realized that today at church...
It's a good trainament though...
This world is a mess...
And that's because this kind of people, as above, is in the power...

They are more interested in their brains then actually the people that live in the planet...

Love,
Nelson

You on the other hand, at the age of 18, believe that you know everything. You believe that you scientifically prove the existence of God when none of the brilliant scientists over history have done no such thing. You believe you are more intelligent and open minded than every other human being. You believe you have reached the pinacle of understanding. You compare yourself to Einstein.

- You say you never said any of these things. So, like a true debater, I shall prove them all.

Scientifically proving god - I believe I can leave this alone as it was the title of one of your threads

More open-minded and intelligent than all of us - REPEATADLY saying we are simply not able to understand your genius and are (and I quote) 'simply truth' not as open minded as you

Pinnacle of understanding - If you understand the way the universe works, it's nature, human nature and God....you have reached what I would consider the pinnacle of understanding.



"Second, there are people here who WANT to listen to me... so I won't lose my time with your childish attacks."

Can you quote his childish attacks? The quote you used their was far from childesh!



'It's not an insult, is just the truth... "

And the ego goes on.....and on......and on....



"I already visited some jungles before..."

Germany, Switzerland, France, England, Brazil (thorugh the Amazon - done that yet?), Argentina, Barbados, Jamaica, all across Canada, 21 States, Denmark, Sweden, Mexico, Antigua, Spain, Russia. And when I name a country, I don't mean just the capital city (though that's usually where the plane lands), I mean the small towns and native areas.



"I didn't... people asked me..."

What? Where? Who? When?


"After I began to speak up I won much my friends. Now I have more then the triple of friends I had before. Why with them it works? Because they understand what I say... And they don't attack me..."

So let me get this straight; 'my friends think I'm cool so poopy to you!'



"I present an idea an those guys attack them like hungry sharks... they don't even READ it!! They just write: wrong... only because they are mine..."

I've read every word you've written. That's how I can quote you so much.....genius.



Truthseeker, you are the least open minded person I have ever met. You have yet once to consider that you are wrong in any way.

That is the definition of closed minded.

Tyler,

Scientifically proving god - I believe I can leave this alone as it was the title of one of your threads

It was actually one of my ideas...
I tried to explain, like many tried before...

More open-minded and intelligent than all of us - REPEATADLY saying we are simply not able to understand your genius and are (and I quote) 'simply truth' not as open minded as you

Well... honestly... you don't understand what I'm saying...

Pinnacle of understanding - If you understand the way the universe works, it's nature, human nature and God....you have reached what I would consider the pinnacle of understanding.

I'm not there yet... but at least I get out of my circle of comfort and explore things a little bit. You and some others don't get out of what you already know...

Can you quote his childish attacks? The quote you used their was far from childesh!

It seemed pretty childish to me...

And the ego goes on.....and on......and on....

I won't even reply that... I already did many times...

Germany, Switzerland, France, England, Brazil (thorugh the Amazon - done that yet?), Argentina, Barbados, Jamaica, all across Canada, 21 States, Denmark, Sweden, Mexico, Antigua, Spain, Russia. And when I name a country, I don't mean just the capital city (though that's usually where the plane lands), I mean the small towns and native areas.

I meant that this forums seems a jungle...
See? You don't understand not even a simple common metaphor!!!!!

What? Where? Who? When?

Tyler... that's REALLY private, ok...?
You can even see one in the thread "For Taoists of sciforums: "Lessons" for Taoists". But please don't reply there... mainly if you don't understand Taoism...

So let me get this straight; 'my friends think I'm cool so poopy to you!'

Well.. you guys told me that I have no friends... then I replied that... :rolleyes:

I've read every word you've written. That's how I can quote you so much.....genius.

You really read it or you just saw it... it's a little bit different... read is understand what's written... you just saw it...

Truthseeker, you are the least open minded person I have ever met. You have yet once to consider that you are wrong in any way.

That is the definition of closed minded.

That's one of the reasons I call you closed minded...

Good Luck...

Love,
Nelson

I had some theories like that, when I was ten years old :-)

Your ideas didn't changed very much since then, isn't it?

Last time we exchanged our ideas they were pretty much the same thing... :D

I only began with my ideas since I was 13...

Love,
Nelson

One more site...:

http://www.quantumleap2000.org/interest.htm

"LET’S WAKE UP! NOW !"

"We have forgotten who we are, and we have forgotten that we have forgotten. "

"NECESSARY "READINESS" STEPS TO TRANSFORMATION.
--WHICH NEED A MEDIA DEDICATED TO "THE PEOPLE"

1. OPEN OUR EYES. See beyond the mass media distortion of how the world is. --Find ways, beyond the internet, to communicate to "We, The People". "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

2. OPEN OUR HEARTS. Feel the pain and joy of others as if they were our own.

Again, realistic, insightful programs in The Media. Lotteries-- with the "winner" getting a free trip to live with people in Kosovo or Honduras or Watts?

3. OPEN OUR IMAGINATIONS. Visualizations of what life would be without war/poverty/injustice/egotism/ "predatory economics’’.

4. SHIFT OUR WILLS AND OUR DESIRES .

Remember The Queen in Alice in Wonderland who practiced thinking 3 unthinkable thoughts before breakfast every day?"

"Change is generally painful. It only occurs when people find it too painful not to change . Or when The New is so desirable as to compensate for The Pain of Change."

Didn't I say that...? :bugeye:

Love,
Nelson

Quantum Leap. Wasn't that a TV show back in the day?