I thought of this this morning and can not forget it.
I saw a dream. Nevermind the main story, but in the dream there was a beautiful and intelligent Pakistanian girl. She was in one student team with me doing some project. Anyways, we were staying in a hotel (all team) , I remained in the suite and all the others went away. When they came back they told me the girl had been shot in the USA customs because she had refused to take her headset off. I sobbed for her. I woke up and I still sobbed, have been all day and it is evening now. Still feel very sorry for her. And what makes it worse is that I created her and the world she lived in. I created that world and that world destroyed her. I feel guilty for it and sorry for her. I have this strong urge to apologize to her, but I know that she's dead.
I have killed a lot of people in my dreams and have been killed many times myself, but in this case I didn't mean to do it. I very liked the girl, but she died because of me. Though she lived because of me too.
It's the first time in my life I have such sensitivity and awarness left from a dream after awaking, such real and strong emotions. I feel as if I have lost a real friend and it has happened before, so I know how it feels. Sadness travels over worlds and my awarness of it.. doesn't make it any better.
But there's nothing I can do about it, can't I? The fact is I don't want to lose this awarness, but it still is very strange to me. And yes.. I still feel extremely sad.
Why this thread? I dunno.. maybe to point out that dreams are realities that we create and often are too ignorant to notice their true significance, honour their rights of existance, their tragedies. To my mind they are so real as any other reality is, also our awake-state, current one.
There's a hindu myth that our world also is a higher being's dream. Maybe there is some truth in it :)

I thought of this this morning and can not forget it.
I saw a dream. Nevermind the main story, but in the dream there was a beautiful and intelligent Pakistanian girl. She was in one student team with me doing some project. Anyways, we were staying in a hotel (all team) , I remained in the suite and all the others went away. When they came back they told me the girl had been shot in the USA customs because she had refused to take her headset off. I sobbed for her. I woke up and I still sobbed, have been all day and it is evening now. Still feel very sorry for her. And what makes it worse is that I created her and the world she lived in. I created that world and that world destroyed her. I feel guilty for it and sorry for her. I have this strong urge to apologize to her, but I know that she's dead.
I have killed a lot of people in my dreams and have been killed many times myself, but in this case I didn't mean to do it. I very liked the girl, but she died because of me. Though she lived because of me too.
It's the first time in my life I have such sensitivity and awarness left from a dream after awaking, such real and strong emotions. I feel as if I have lost a real friend and it has happened before, so I know how it feels. Sadness travels over worlds and my awarness of it.. doesn't make it any better.
But there's nothing I can do about it, can't I? The fact is I don't want to lose this awarness, but it still is very strange to me. And yes.. I still feel extremely sad.
Why this thread? I dunno.. maybe to point out that dreams are realities that we create and often are too ignorant to notice their true significance, honour their rights of existance, their tragedies. To my mind they are so real as any other reality is, also our awake-state, current one.
There's a hindu myth that our world also is a higher being's dream. Maybe there is some truth in it :)I guess that your dream reflected somewhat "The Matrix"?

However, there are a higher meaning to this, that you have killed people in your dreams often and have been killed often, this may reflect something.

Also the key difference in this dream is that you made the world yourself and the girl that was killed.

I take it that you didn't feel this sad when you killed people that were not made by you.

In a dream, we may still have a feeling that it's not real, thus when we kill someone we may have this feeling that it's not real (it's like seeing someone being killed on a movie, we know that he didn't *really* die).

What *killing people* may reflect in your dreams I don't know.

In a dream, the world isn't made by yourself, but you have a feeling that you are in a movie that someone else made.

But when you made the world to this woman, and you even made the woman yourself, then it has a greater meaning to you.

If you buy a painting and it's destroyed then it won't feel as bad as if you had made it yourself. Then it's like a part of you is destroyed.

The dream may have wanted to give you sadness (because feeling sad is actually good for us at times). But you refused again and again (probably with saying that it's not real anyway). Thus the dream made it more personal and it finally succedeed. Use your sadness to feel appreciation of what you have. I think you are ignoring something in life. I think that there could be a real-world sadness trying to get through to you, but that you keep ignoring it.

This is my interpretation of your dream, it may or may not be correct. But this is how I would interpret it if I had your dreams.


I reread your post, and you say that you feel a strong urge to apologize to her. This may be what is trying to get through to you (this may be what the sadness wants to express).

Maybe, if you allow me to speculate, you've given some advice to someone that you saw didn't work out for (her). There is a deeper meaning here if you look inside yourself (it's in the reason). But you have to find it yourself (or I can message you if you want).

I don't know about this. I know nothing about you other than I got from the description of your dream. So I may very well be wrong.

I guess that your dream reflected somewhat "The Matrix"?
not really. I say that every dream is another reality created by the dreamer.
Also the key difference in this dream is that you made the world yourself and the girl that was killed.
Every dream that you see has a world of its own. Sometimes some dreams share the same world or the action takes place in the same dreamworld in another time of it.
I take it that you didn't feel this sad when you killed people that were not made by you.

all people in my dreams are made by me. and all people in your dreams - by you.
of course there is still the possibility that another person enters your dream.
But when you made the world to this woman, and you even made the woman yourself, then it has a greater meaning to you.
nono, she was just a character like everyone else in my created dreamworld , but soemhow I feel deeply sorry for her death which hasn't happened before.
Thus the dream made it more personal and it finally succedeed.
the dream is I and I am the dream and I was sad as is /lol/
maybe I wanted to push myself even further. duno.
I'll consider your interpretation.

but this thread actually was about another question ->
how much are we responsible for the worlds we create in our dreams?

not really. I say that every dream is another reality created by the dreamer.

Every dream that you see has a world of its own. Sometimes some dreams share the same world or the action takes place in the same dreamworld in another time of it.

all people in my dreams are made by me. and all people in your dreams - by you.
of course there is still the possibility that another person enters your dream.

nono, she was just a character like everyone else in my created dreamworld , but soemhow I feel deeply sorry for her death which hasn't happened before.

the dream is I and I am the dream and I was sad as is /lol/
maybe I wanted to push myself even further. duno.
I'll consider your interpretation.

but this thread actually was about another question ->
how much are we responsible for the worlds we create in our dreams?Ok, sorry, I read your post again, and now it doesn't seem like Matrix anymore (I got confused because you said that she died because she took her headset off :) and that you created her and her world).

So now I can see what you mean.

I honestly don't know if we should take responsibility for the characters in our dream. My rationality tells me "NO!", they are fictional characters, I don't think they have awareness.

But there is something else, that tells me "maybe...".

We don't know what makes us aware.

But the characters do sometimes seem to possess a unique personality and information that I haven't heard before. There was a guy in a dream that said "I did 110 in Sinclair" (?). Scary enough Sinclair could be either a name or a city. If it's a city then I guess it could be some kind of gymnastic record. But if it's a name...

Avatar, every time you dream of a death a little piece of you is dying. subconsciously it could be an idea, a belief, a concept or in this case a love.

Maybe this dream signifies a maturing of your attitude towards women. that you are finally starting to see the value of your love.

Wow, tough break, Avatar . . . :(

It's certainly plausible that our dreams are realities we create. I've never thought of it that way. We don't yet understand the power of our minds, so this could totally be true.

but 'dreams' aren't only dreamt with eyes shut at night etc. myths too are dreams. and the ones that are shismatic in regard to our selves and Nature and each othere are extremely destructive. so inner anod outer go togther is what i am saying

i intuit that ancient people had a poetic associative experience of reality...mythicpoesis....so for example a Tree would represent a continnum between differnt dimensions, Serpent would represent sertain things to like constant renewal, the sacred mushroom etc etc
what happened was that the mind-manipulating patriarchs decided to manpulate this dreaming to their own authoritarian advanatage