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Maestro
07-29-04, 02:19 AM
Im watching television... it's a commercial

commentary: "IF only all things would last this long... legs stay smooth for 48 hours"

and then we see a picture of a white man watching television, and an unsatisfied woman.


the commercial really says: "White males are sexually inadequate."

And you know something, it got me angry. because, this is what people are taught... everything is blamed on the white male. white males can not claim to be victims of prejudice, because it is not politically correct, and yet they are clearly just like everybody else (be it women, black people, etc...)
i would say it fair to state white males are held accountable for prejudism in the first place, and that is prejudice.

We are taught white males are sexually inadequate (small penises, premature ejaculation, etc), they are lazy, they are selfish, they are racist, and sexist, and gay AAANDD homophobic (both sides of that sword). They are also portrayed as spoiled, effortless, and even evil.

How are we taught this? it is brainwashed into us at such an early age... it's all over television, in sitcoms, on jerry springer, it's passed down to us by our parents, the little myths that pass us by, almost literally in the form of subliminal.

Please, i beg of all of you to convince me my conclusions are incorrect, or misinformed.

and might i add, let's get rid of prejudism! only, we can't do it by singling out a group of people and blaming it on them...

§outh§tar
07-29-04, 02:47 AM
White males are victims of prejudice "just like everybody else"? :rolleyes:

Your argument is seriously flawed.

What you are told is true. Have you ever seen a competent team of white athletes? Ok, ok... volleyball doesn't count. :p But really, have you?

Whites have it better, all "minorities" see that. If you told a "minority" otherwise, you would be fooling yourself and going home with a black eye and no jacket. Whites don't want to relinquish their having it better. Do you actually see minorities having a part in corporate America?

Look at how Opera Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby.. (in the eyes of "minorities) have made themselves "white enough" to be successful. They now have dinners and parties with guess who, white people.


By the way my best friend is white so any prejudices you are interpreting on my part really are..... //chuckles

Fallen Angel
07-29-04, 11:47 AM
Have you ever seen a competent team of white athletes?

actually, i have, and basketball of all things. i can't remember what year, i think it might have been 2 to 3 years ago, the Princeton basketball team in NCAA tournament. They schooled a lot of people.

spidergoat
07-29-04, 11:58 AM
Didn't you know that almost all advertising is based on making you feel bad about yourself? If everything was already great, why would you need any products?

gendanken
07-29-04, 01:00 PM
Whiteboy:

We are taught white males are sexually inadequate (small penises, premature ejaculation, etc), they are lazy,

Then why do you think they pursue Asian women?
Look around, there are millions of white boys with these small, demure females becuase it is only when juxtaposed with a hole so tight and small as the Asian one that the pathetically small Caucasoid penis can feel gigantic in comparison.


And by the way, rosacea is like..so sexy.

Arditezza
07-29-04, 02:03 PM
Actually, and as SouthStar so easily demonstrated for us, reverse racism is alive and well. Apparently, white people are still touted as being "better off" even though the statistics rolling in are proving otherwise. Most minorities are also quick to accuse their own people of being more white to get places. Does becoming a more civilized individual mean, becoming "white enough"? I call bullshit. It has nothing to do with better athletes or better thinkers. The white man has been the excuse for every minority simply because they are the majority. Any majority will always be ridiculed and accused of having things better by the minority. This isn't you grandfathers world, and you can't keep blaming "white folk" for your inability to cope in todays world. You have had equal opportunity, and affirmative action for decades and if you do nothing with it, then you only have yourself to blame.

I'm am also tired of seeing any race get a bad rap for anything. I'm not white, I'm quite olive skinned and of gypsy descent. But I'm tired of hearing people in America that feel they are oppressed in any way by their race... I tell them to go live in a third world country and then tell me you were oppressed in America. Get a grip. Be true to yourself and stop using others as an excuse. That's what the white folks do.

Gendy;
There is a reason that asian women seem to prefer white men as well, or so I have heard.

Fraggle Rocker
07-29-04, 06:06 PM
We are taught white males are sexually inadequate (small penises, premature ejaculation, etc), they are lazy, they are selfish, they are racist, and sexist, and gay AAANDD homophobic (both sides of that sword). They are also portrayed as spoiled, effortless, and even evil.What, you thought that the only people in power insult and make fun of the people who are not in power? People on the short end of the stick have been doing the same to the powerful for as long as there has been a stick. You should hear some of the Yiddish folk songs about the Czars, the European royalty, and even the occasional Muslim emir or caliph who mistreated them. (In general the Jews were treated better by Muslims than they ever were by Christians. This new feud between Israel and the world of Islam has no real basis in history, it's something both sides were manipulated into by the US and USSR with a lot of posthumous help from the extinct Third Reich and British Empire.)

Since we're in power and relatively safe, people get to say whatever they want about us. We're fortunate (ironic though it may seem) to live in an era when the people who are not in power receive quite a bit of protection, whereas the people in power are assumed to be able to handle abuse.

We don't get to call people of color by the N word or the S word or whatever other letters have nasty words attached to them, or make fun of any of their alleged stereotypes. But they can call us all kinds of names and even our own people can make fun of our alleged shortcomings, whether it's the Riverdance joke about how white people are paralyzed from the waist up even when we're dancing or the joke about how White Men Can't Jump or the joke about how we can't get it up without pills.

We can take it. So can you. It's just advertising and name-calling. When was the last time there was a grain of truth in an advertisement? 1742? Since when are we strong powerful white males affected by spurious accusations?

Hey dude, we rule the world, or at least most of the best places to live. Let's use that power to make the world just as cool for everybody else, and to make some of those other places like Bangladesh and Uganda at least as nice as, say, Fresno. It is not an honorable thing for the people in power to sit around whining about the things that the other people say about them because they're (quite legitimately) envious.

Noblesse oblige. You have a heritage to live up to, a responsibility to those who weren't born into power.

Try to remember that unless you're the victim of some unfortunate birth defect or medical problem, you're not inferior in any important way. We white guys are having our fifteen minutes of fame, so let's make the most of it. When Asian women or gay Africans or neutered Eskimos or genetically enhanced dolphins get their turn to be on top of the world, let's give them something really wonderful to remember us by.

By the way, if you have some close female friends with whom you can discuss anything you want candidly, ask them what they think about this stupid penis size controversy. You will be utterly amazed by their point of view on the subject. Trust me, I've had that conversation. Have you noticed that you don't see any corporation bothering to try to market the Blue Pill to our women?

gendanken
07-29-04, 06:35 PM
Arditezza:

Gendy;
There is a reason that asian women seem to prefer white men as well
Status.

And pimply rocasea is a rarity in the Orient so these sand monkeys..kidding, women find it sexy. OOhhhh.....ahhhhhhh....white boys.

Fenris Wolf
07-29-04, 06:46 PM
It's not only status, although that's certainly a factor. Asian men are more sexist than whites (generally speaking) in their dealings with women, so Asian women turn to white men wherever possible in the hope also of gaining at least some measure of equality.

Rappaccini
07-29-04, 06:47 PM
Have you ever seen a competent team of white athletes? Ok, ok... volleyball doesn't count. :p But really, have you?

Ever heard of the Olympics?

How about the Winter Games?

How about Weightlifting?
Does the name Norbert Schemansky sound white enough for you?

How about cycling? Does the name Armstrong ring any bells?



EDIT:



Whites have it better, all "minorities" see that.
Maybe that's because whites, by and large, at some point in history, earned 'it'.


If you told a "minority" otherwise, you would be fooling yourself and going home with a black eye and no jacket. Whites don't want to relinquish their having it better.

Actually, from what you write, I'd say that it's the minorities who don't want to reliquish their supposed disadvantage.

I mean, don't do them any favors now...



Do you actually see minorities having a part in corporate America?

Welll... yeah.
Just because many blacks and Hispanics are relatively unsuccessful doesn't mean other minorites, Arabs and Orientals, namely, are down for the count.


Look at how Opera Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby.. (in the eyes of "minorities) have made themselves "white enough" to be successful.

As far as I know, MJ made himself with basketball, Cosby with being funny, and Opera with charm and shit.
I didn't know there was a secret "white rite" of passage involved.

Thanks for telling me, buddyroo.


The Gend,



Then why do you think they pursue Asian women?
Look around, there are millions of white boys with these small, demure females becuase...

... the whites are/were in the military, typically, and have served in the East. They picked up a wife on the way.

Simple as that, in my experience.



Of course, you were being a horse's ass on purpose, anyhow.

gendanken
07-29-04, 07:24 PM
Wolf:

It's not only status, although that's certainly a factor. Asian men are more sexist than whites (generally speaking) in their dealings with women, so Asian women turn to white men wherever possible in the hope also of gaining at least some measure of equality.
Soooo they run to the ugliest white boy in the bunch who treats her worse than he would a Caucasette because when around this tiny Oriental sumbmissive little shit that she is he feels like Odin or Fenrir.
He does not respect her as much as he would his 'equal'

And why does she stay? He's a white boy.

Rat's ass:

... the whites are/were in the military, typically, and have served in the East. They picked up a wife on the way.

That's right. All these spineless worms with the Emo glasses on were there in Hanoi and Milai.

But of course you are only being a rat's ass, yes?

Maestro
07-30-04, 01:00 AM
White males are victims of prejudice "just like everybody else"? :rolleyes:

Your argument is seriously flawed....
... They now have dinners and parties with guess who, white people.



I just wanna say, for my first started thread at sciforums, thanks for all the stimulating discussion.

Southstar, that's not really my argument.
I believe it is obvious white males are victims to prejudism just like everybody else, im not arguing it. What i am arguing is the fact that every visual group of people are politically correct to complain about the sterotypes and prejudice attatched to them, with the exception of white males.
Furthermore, not only do we lack that, but it also seems unappropriate in society for white males to distinguish themselves in some sort of way.

I.E. black people have B.E.T. (realistically, i personally dont think WET, or WMET would go over too well), even women have their own specialized programming on television.

I also fail to see the connection between black celebrities becoming "white" and therefore partying with white people... do you really have to be "white" to eat dinner with "white"


I also should apologize for using the word minority so freely...
i would say white people have the visual majority in the western part of the world... it's a whole lot different in the east (yet i still maintain my point in those parts of the world). However, this is still a form of prejudism, if we are to say that a certain visual group of people are at disadvantage. I believe in history, you could make this assumption, but it is extremely inaccurate in our time now. There are too many exceptions. Relevence? i dunno, maybe we don't really want to get rid of prejudism (i was under the impression man was)
hear me, brothers?

river-wind
08-02-04, 12:31 PM
The main problem that I encounter as a white male is that people tend to assume that I'm racist. I have to spend time and energy convising people that I'm not racist by specifically acting like I'm ignorant to the possibility of my own predujice.

That and gaining respect in Martial Arts is more difficult.

Overall, however, I know that the prejudices I suffer are SIGNIFICANTLY less than what other people have to deal with. I see it all the time, and I know alot of my life (job, good deal on my car, etc) stems from the fact that I'm a white male, and pushing for things is seen as "asserttive" more often than "bitchy" or "bastard-ish".


I also fail to see the connection between black celebrities becoming "white" and therefore partying with white people... do you really have to be "white" to eat dinner with "white"
yes. Is most areas, the prosperous white individuals will not associate with anyone who presents themselves as a pert of the black community. I don't mean people who say "I'm an individual who associates and volunteers on the North side of the tracks"; I mean someone who greets his freinds with "Yo watup, Dog!"
This is the same this that Bill Cosby is talking about - "people who talk like that can't become doctors."
When someone talks about a black celebrity becoming "white" they are often talking about the person becoming quieter, using proper grammer, large words, etc. Watch Undercover Brother, it's not an unknown thing, to either side of the issue.

Godless
08-02-04, 01:28 PM
Sounds to me like you've been watching too much TV.

How do other races perceive the white male. i.e. I have lots of black friends, they always think white people get better jobs, get paid more. there are less white males in jail than any other group of the three main races, white, hispanic, blacks.
BTW. I've never met a black person that "likes" been called "african american" nor a Mexican been called latino, though that's what they are. Mexicans are part of North America. they rather be called mexicans.

I'm latino, I was born in South America, this is how I differentiate my self from Mexican friends. Anything south of Mexico is latino. Our cultures are miles apart, they enjoy different music, food, and a unique culture of their own. Though we both speak the same language, we've got very different dialects.

I think your perception is flawed, and been shaped by tv this is probably to "political correctness" trying to show that the white male is not as perfect as others races protay them to be. I really don't know.

However you"ve got nothing to complain about. If you go to any job site. You will see most supervisors, managers, people in authority are white, most of other employees in the lower ranks of things are either hispanics, or blacks. I'm in the Southern region of the states, Houston Tx. That is how it's percieved around here ese!!.

Godless.

Tracker00
08-02-04, 01:49 PM
Maybe that's because whites, by and large, at some point in history, earned 'it'.


Little history lesson:

Basically Europeans came to the Americas (North America, Central America, and South America) in search of wealth or a route to Asia. They decided to settle the area and subdue/exploit the native people. Well with them they brought disease will wiped out a massive portion of the native population. So to find more sources of labor, Africans were taken as slaves.

There's a lot more to that too. Have you ever wondered why in the mid-1800s Great Britain put pressure on Latin American countries to end slave trade but not the act of slavery?



So I guess whites did earn 'it'.

Rappaccini
08-02-04, 03:03 PM
That's right. All these spineless worms with the Emo glasses on were there in Hanoi and Milai.

Firstly, serving "in the East" does not mean serving in the Vietnam War.

Secondly, just how many of these "worms" have you met?
Enough to justify the gross psychoanalytical generalizations you're making of white males and Oriental females?

Maestro
08-02-04, 11:34 PM
the prosperous white individuals will not associate with anyone who presents themselves as a pert of the black community. I don't mean people who say "I'm an individual who associates and volunteers on the North side of the tracks"; I mean someone who greets his freinds with "Yo watup, Dog!"

r-w,
The problem with this, is that you're telling me you asume all white individuals are prosperous, when this is by FAR not the case. I've heard many white men using "yo whatchu sayin my dawg?" I've even seen it in entertainment, i believe his name is eminem. And for a twist, he *IS* prosperous.

I am second generation English, and one of my very close friends is second generation Trinidad, and i think we eat with eachother at least once a week... and plenty others do the same, if you can't open your mind to this concept, you are allowing society's prejudices to brainwash you, which is what we're really addressing here.

and BTW, i so strongly disagree with your perception of what cosby is "talking about." Speaking with proper grammer, and a large vocabulary suggests an educated mind the last time i checked, that's why people get jobs... not because they *become* white.


GODLESS:However you"ve got nothing to complain about. If you go to any job site. You will see most supervisors, managers, people in authority are white, most of other employees in the lower ranks of things are either hispanics, or blacks. I'm in the Southern region of the states, Houston Tx. That is how it's percieved around here ese!!.

Things for us not to complain about:Here. (http://racismeantiblanc.bizland.com/005/)

Well, i'm Canadian :m: :D , and maybe you're right it could possibly be different there, but that certainly doesn't mean i have "NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT"

Which entirely outlines what i'm trying to get across... here you are telling me it, in fact, is not politcally correct for me to complain because i'm white and therefore am well off. Why is it okay for you to make this racial assumption, if it is not for me to assume all black people are "criminals"

This is what happens, we buy into it one way or another.

Neildo
08-03-04, 01:34 AM
I'm latino, I was born in South America, this is how I differentiate my self from Mexican friends. Anything south of Mexico is latino. Our cultures are miles apart, they enjoy different music, food, and a unique culture of their own. Though we both speak the same language, we've got very different dialects.

Haha, no joke. I remember this one time my dad's girlfriend from Colombia was over and I decided to cook dinner for them and I made tacos and dang, I can't believe she's never heard of a taco! Man, they don't know what they're missing with all that guinnea pig (not the pet) they eat.

- N

Godless
08-03-04, 02:00 AM
Maestro, welcome to sci. Your name means "teacher" so teach.

I didn't make any racial slur, sorry you perceived it that way, I was simply stating the facts around this region. Though there are very successfull black people here as well, and many real rich mexicans, whom own big buisnessess.

But from my perspective the jobs I've been in, are generalised as I called it. White supervisors, and managers, all labor either blacks or hispanics.

Not always the case though. I've got a hispanic supervisor, in this company I work for now, so it changes from job to job. I'm not stable. :D




and BTW, i so strongly disagree with your perception of what cosby is "talking about."

I don't think I mentioned Bill Cosby. You've must of been addressing someone else. :confused:

Neildo;
Did you like Colombian cooking?. My mom was born in Colombia, I was born in the Venezuela. We came here with my dad since I was a child. did'nt you notice I've got no accent?. :D

Godless.

§outh§tar
08-03-04, 02:10 AM
Ever heard of the Olympics?

How about the Winter Games?

How about Weightlifting?
Does the name Norbert Schemansky sound white enough for you?

How about cycling? Does the name Armstrong ring any bells?

Cycling is not a man's sport. :p Ever hear of Muhammed Ali? That was a true man in a real man's sport. But enough favoritism for now..





As far as I know, MJ made himself with basketball, Cosby with being funny, and Opera with charm and shit.
I didn't know there was a secret "white rite" of passage involved.

Thanks for telling me, buddyroo.

I spoke of the alledged prostitution of themselves by these celebrities to white America by becoming more "diversified", which in reality to "minorities", appears to be what in slang is termed as "selling out". No need to read past the end of the sentence on that one.

§outh§tar
08-03-04, 02:16 AM
I just wanna say, for my first started thread at sciforums, thanks for all the stimulating discussion.

Southstar, that's not really my argument.
I believe it is obvious white males are victims to prejudism just like everybody else, im not arguing it. What i am arguing is the fact that every visual group of people are politically correct to complain about the sterotypes and prejudice attatched to them, with the exception of white males.
Furthermore, not only do we lack that, but it also seems unappropriate in society for white males to distinguish themselves in some sort of way.

I agree that white males suffer prejudice. But saying "just like everybody else", is equivalent to saying they suffer as much as everybody else. This is where my complaint comes in.


I.E. black people have B.E.T. (realistically, i personally dont think WET, or WMET would go over too well), even women have their own specialized programming on television.


I believe VH1 is just fine for the white audience.


I also fail to see the connection between black celebrities becoming "white" and therefore partying with white people... do you really have to be "white" to eat dinner with "white"

Do you see black celebrities acting like minorities do among themselves when they are at parties with whites?
It is just an observation of things. There is usually a lot more "civilized" behavior, more formalities and boresome niceties to go around the table in these get togethers.


I also should apologize for using the word minority so freely...
i would say white people have the visual majority in the western part of the world... it's a whole lot different in the east (yet i still maintain my point in those parts of the world). However, this is still a form of prejudism, if we are to say that a certain visual group of people are at disadvantage. I believe in history, you could make this assumption, but it is extremely inaccurate in our time now. There are too many exceptions. Relevence? i dunno, maybe we don't really want to get rid of prejudism (i was under the impression man was)
hear me, brothers?

I believe prejudice is inherent and without just cause. An incurable disease, to be exact.

§outh§tar
08-03-04, 02:18 AM
yes. Is most areas, the prosperous white individuals will not associate with anyone who presents themselves as a pert of the black community. I don't mean people who say "I'm an individual who associates and volunteers on the North side of the tracks"; I mean someone who greets his freinds with "Yo watup, Dog!"
This is the same this that Bill Cosby is talking about - "people who talk like that can't become doctors."
When someone talks about a black celebrity becoming "white" they are often talking about the person becoming quieter, using proper grammer, large words, etc. Watch Undercover Brother, it's not an unknown thing, to either side of the issue.


Spoken like a true genius who understands the words of his fellow. Just brought tears to my eyes thinking of Undercover Brother.. :D

Mystech
08-03-04, 02:51 AM
I believe it is obvious white males are victims to prejudism just like everybody else, im not arguing it.

Haha, that's right, just like everyone else! Oh no, there are negative stereotypes against white people too! Waahhh! haha. Whites crying about discrimination in this country always cracks me up. Living as both a white male and a gay male, and knowing a thing or two about how discrimination feels, I can honestly say that I've never particularly felt any bitter sting of intolerance from being a member of the majority race. My advice to you would be to quit being so damned emo, it makes you look whiny.


I.E. black people have B.E.T. (realistically, i personally dont think WET, or WMET would go over too well), even women have their own specialized programming on television.

Well this is a rather comical oversight? You think that W.E.T. doesn't exist? What about ABC NBC and CBS?

Mystech
08-03-04, 04:00 AM
I believe VH1 is just fine for the white audience.

No, VH1 is for homosexuals.

Dr Lou Natic
08-03-04, 04:53 AM
Its acceptable to make fun of white males because they are clearly number one.
Politically incorrect people make fun of those who deserve it; the poor, the weak, the stupid, the fat, the ugly, etc. The politically correct media does the opposite, fun needs to be made, so the most secure sect of humanity is targetted; the white male.
Mocking white males will obviously not hurt the self esteems of white males, because every second of every day we are bombarded by the insane amount of accomplishments the white male has made. Its just obvious we aren't actually inferior to anything so its ok to say we are. Call a thin person fat and its taken as light hearted and friendly, call a fat person fat and its just mean.
Other races/ other sects of humanity, aren't as secure. African americans can't escape that nagging reality that white men dragged them out of the jungle and gave them underpants. It really bothers them, probably on a subconscious level. Now look how much harder they try to impress, and how badly they tend to want to make fun of white people. How proud they will be when a black person does anything of note. White males are jaded, we're white males, we're more interested in proving we as individuals are something special. The status of our race/gender is well and truely confirmed.
Females too, are a little insecure, they know that while "humanity" was making huge leaps and bounds, they were preparing "humanities" food. They weren't actually involved with all the things that make humanity so impressive. They just helped in producing more males. So they were kind of embarrassed and ashamed and blamed the white male (as you do), had a big uprising and tried to make out that landing an office job was comparable to walking on the moon and building skyscrapers. They knew it wasn't and they're still ashamed, and they blame the white male, as does everyone else for their own shortcomings.
And we have to take it, we should. It is our fault when you really think about it. Its our fault for being so damn amazing, setting up standards impossible for them to match, and then living alongside them. How are they going to feel? History + our existence is bound to make them kind of snarky. We're like a peacock who's tail feathers are just a thousand times more brilliant than every other's on the estate, the other peacocks obviously won't be too happy with our presence and are going to try and pluck a few of those feathers out.
We shouldn't take it personally, its natural.
I think they like us really, they certainly will expect us to protect them from the invading aliens, thats a given.
The inevitability of that event's eventual occurence is always in the back of their minds, so while they poke fun, we can be sure they respect us deep down inside.

river-wind
08-03-04, 10:59 AM
r-w,
The problem with this, is that you're telling me you asume all white individuals are prosperous, when this is by FAR not the case. I've heard many white men using "yo whatchu sayin my dawg?" I've even seen it in entertainment, i believe his name is eminem. And for a twist, he *IS* prosperous.

Unfortunatly, I am using a local terminology in a discussion which can be viewed from around the world. In my expirience, on the eastern seaboard of the US, racism is alive and well. However, it has, particularly in the more northern areas, made a shift over the past 30 years.
For the most part, "Black People" are not outright prejudiced against (overall). At least not by the poor, the lower middle class, or most of the upper middle-class. The very wealthy still seem to have a lingering blanket racism, but that seems to be the main group with this problem. The police certainly still profile, despite repeated claims to the contrary.
However, there is a cultural racism which still exists across the board, particularly obvious between African-Americans and Caucasian-Americans; though it does also exist with Mexicans, Latinos, and Asians. There is a stereotypical "hip-hop black person" in the mind of most people - men based on the inner-city 20-ish male who listens to hip-hop and talks in thick ebonics, using the word 'nigga' to introduce everyone he is friends with; women based on the Jerry Springer "uh-uh, no she di-int!" female.
They are racist images, and I encounter them on a daily basis, in both the "white" (stereotype definition: kakhis and button-down shirt, quiet, educated) and the "black"(stereotype definition: hip-hop dress, loud behavior, angry) cultures. This stereotype, however, is defined by attitude, and not by skin color.
There are white-skinned individuals, like eminem, who present themselves as part of the black hip-hop culture, and after fighting for respect within it, are treated as one of that culture. They recieve the same sort of racism from the 'white' crowd (ie, educated as any black person who lives in the 'hip-hop' Afican-American community. Black people who act 'white' recieve, IME, as much black-racism as the white people who act black (from the 'white' culture).
It is not as much the skin color as it is the attitude presented. IMO, that's what Cosby was talking about. You can be a highly intelligent African-American with six PHD's, but you will be heavily limited in your job selection if you look and act like Snoop-dogg. Not just because of racism in the hiring market, but because you will be limiting your customer base. People, even those who do not act in a racist manner, have certain expectations of those they put in charge of their money, their freedom, their health. For now, that image is the educated image, and the educated image is considered by many to not be the hip-hop image.

I didn't mean to say that acting 'white' was a requirement for prosperity. What I meant was, in order to be successfull in the intelletucal industries, academics, medicine, computer science, law, etc, you (currently) have to act in accordance with the existing system. This sytem is still seen by a majority of both the white and the black communities as 'The Man's' system (though that term is outdated, the idea still appears to hold) - from public school on up. Ebonics is not readily accepted in those areas; by either co-workers or customers.


However, the same could be said for the entertainment industry 50 years ago. Through the very hard work and determination of many, many people, that industry has gone from Elvis being banned because of his black sound and black dancing to a shining example of the stereotypical American Black culture (as opposed to African-American culture, which encompasses all spectrums of the educational and social scale) as a perectly practical lifestyle - including a customer base.
Maybe through the hard work of people today we will see a change in the medical, law, etc professions, and by the time I have kids discussing this topic, those industries will be as diverse as the music industry.
There is a very good chance that all of this is simply the leftover predjudice of a dying era. I personally wouldn't mind if it went away. but for right now, it's still here.

note: the same sort of predjudice occurs agaist the mostly white skate-board crowd. No hip-hop, but baggy jeans, hard rock, loud and boisterous attitude. Again, there's no problem with you identifying yourself with that subculture, but you will have to expect that people will make certian assumoptions about you, based on the pop culture idea of what a skater "is"; in particular, as a person who can't work hard in the 'real world.'


I am second generation English, and one of my very close friends is second generation Trinidad, and i think we eat with eachother at least once a week... and plenty others do the same, if you can't open your mind to this concept, you are allowing society's prejudices to brainwash you, which is what we're really addressing here.

This is the difference. I'm not saying that people of different skin color don't or can't eat together. That happens all the time, wonderfully. What I mean is that the 'black' and 'white' cultures I defined above, defined by attitude, tend not to intermingle. If you have dark skin, and want to eat at the fancy hotels, the black-tie dinners, etc, that's fine. But you are expected to act in a certain way, or have so much money that you can pay people to not toss you out. It's buisness. Does your money offset the lost money of customers offended by your attiude? If so, you can buy acceptance. If not, you are out on your ear because of your behavior.
If you are white, and want to eat at an inner-city block party, that's also fine. However, you are also expected to act in a certain way. To treat people with a certain level of respect, to be a confident in yourself, and expressive. As a side note, this group tends to be, IME, more accepting of different people and different attitudes, though it still does take a while to be accepted (as I mentioned above). This is the group I tend to hang out with; though it is more due to a difference in attitude that is a result of financial status, and not cultural or skin differences.


and BTW, i so strongly disagree with your perception of what cosby is "talking about." Speaking with proper grammer, and a large vocabulary suggests an educated mind the last time i checked, that's why people get jobs... not because they *become* white.


As I said above, I'm using slang there, which seems to have caused confusion. An educated mind is what qualifies for a job, however, presentation more often than not is what actually gets that job. The "Yo, Dog!" presentation will not get someone a job, and will more often than not override the qualities of inteligence and education in the mind of a recruiter.
When I was suggesting that a person had to 'act white' in order to get a job as a doctor, what I meant was: a person, to best maximise their chances of being hired to a high-paying medical position, needs to present themselves as an educated person. There are two ways of doing this:
1) Proving the knowledge. A person can act however they want as long as they still get the job done in this culture. that is a big part of freedom which we hold so dearly in this country. If you can go into an office, be the best person for the job, you get the job, and you excel at it. No matter how you dress, how you act, etc.
2) Proving the appearance of the knowledge. This is the reality. Esp. in a job interview, but also in the workplace itself, the image of getting work done is nearly as important, if not more so, than actually getting the work done. In an interview, the person doing the hiring has 15 minutes to an hour to get to know you and your skills; both those skills which pertain to the job, and to working with co-workers and customers. If you are the best qualified for the position, but don't "fit in" because of the way to act, you won't get the job, and you won't have any recourse. If you are not hired because of how you dress, you may or may not have a discrimination suit available to you, but it is doubtful (unless you are wearing culturally traditional or religious clothing).

I was talking about the second choice. If you are trying to get a job, you need to act educated, and not just be educated. Whether that is morally wrong is not part of this argument, it is simply the way things are in a majority of society.
And in my area, with the rich and powerful still proportionally white, there is a general notion that acting educated is acting "white". It's a turn of a phrase.
I've known a number of black individuals (more so in the younger age group, but it occationally happens throughout) who are activly shunned by the "black" culture of the area because they actually put effort into learning, and try their best to present themselves as resposible and hard working. It is a shame, but it is what I see around me.

Blue_UK
08-03-04, 11:39 AM
I'm not rascist but.... (usually followed by something very rascist, but not today).... but I am culturalist.

Why white culture (and to some extent asian culture) has accelerated so far ahead of mud huts and drums to create such refined produce like orchestras, the music written for them and exquisit cuisine is a real mystery. You just have to look at oriental furniture to see a wealth of talents from wood preparation, joining, engraving, decorating etc to see a pyramid of development.

It's not as if blacks have been proven less inteligent yet (mean IQ comparasens would disagree, but the mean black education was lower when this was compared) so perhaps it's down to living conditions. I imagine that in harsh climates a lot more effort has to be made to gather food and reasources whilst in more favourable climates one might have more time to invent and create.

Closet Philosopher
08-03-04, 05:49 PM
I think that certain people are genetically superior or inferior. Some races have more or less of people with good genetics. One thing that I think has created a divide between the white male (or even female) and minorities is Affirmative Action. Affirmative Action makes me want to kick a small animal. Today, white men have to work harder tham minorities for the same thing. Certain conditions permitted white men to accelerate in music, art and other similar things.

We have to face the fact that no whatter what race you are, you will face prejudism, minorities just bitch about it more.

I'm a very politically incorrect persson, but I try to star politically correct on this forum while expressing my politically incorrect opinion.

I think that some races have evolved to be superior. Since globalization has linked all of us together, some races and groups have to play the evolution catch up game. If you look at some white male groups (Particularily in the Southern United States, no offense), there are inbred idiots who live off of welfare. THey are an insult to my race. I'm sure people from other races can say the same, especially people from certain races that are stereotyped as races who cause crime.

Conclusion: Racism is everywhere. Some of it is based on realities that politically correct people ignore. Some people are genetically superior or inferior. these people are found in almost all races. No one can do anything about it.

This was an interesting read: http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34112

While much of it is be biased, it does point out scientific proven facts about brain size and other biological facts that separate two races that seem to clash quite often.

§outh§tar
08-03-04, 08:08 PM
No, VH1 is for homosexuals.

Same thing ;)

Homosexuals are more or less "accentuated" white people.

Blue_UK
08-04-04, 05:51 AM
ILikeSalt, I told my self that I would restrain my un-PC tendencies when I came to this place, but having seen some other people's posts I just try to make sure I'm at least not the most offensive person.

What I think has pretty much been said by everyone else.

mis-t-highs
08-04-04, 07:38 AM
racial prejustice is a pigment of the imagination(pigment is deliberate).
let all try to get along, hard as it might be.

Godless
08-04-04, 07:44 AM
River-Wind, that was a very good analogy.

I hate the sub-culture of today, I don't like rap music, rap is only a c-away from "crap" that's my attitude. However I've come to accept it, most of the people I hang out with like this pop-culture, and I've found that by accepting it, I started to like some of the music. :D Though not all kinds of rap music, I'm all about lirycs if I can understand what the hell it's saying and I like it, I can tolerate it. But if it's got a good beat, I defenetly like it.

However I'm older than those around me, 42 I'm mostly into rock and roll.

Here's a joke I've recieved from a "white" friend of mine. Our outlook on life are basically similar:

Illegal Immigrants Poem
>
>
>
>
>I cross ocean,
>poor and broke,
>Take bus,
>see employment folk.
>
>
>Nice man treat me
>good in there,
>Say I need to
>see welfare.
>
>
>
>
>Welfare say,
>"You come no more,
>We send cash
>right to your door."
>
>
>
>Welfare checks,
>they make you wealthy,
>Medicaid it keep
>you healthy!
>
>
>
>By and by,
>I got plenty money,
>Thanks to you,
>American dummy.
>
>
>
>Write to friends
>in motherland,
>Tell them 'come
>fast as you can.'
>
>
>
>They come in turbans
>and Ford trucks,
>I buy big house
>with welfare bucks
>
>
>
>They come here,
>we live together,
>More welfare checks,
>it gets better!
>
>
>
>Fourteen families,
>they moving in,
>But neighbor's patience wearing thin.
>
>
>
>Finally, white guy
>moves away,
>Now I buy his house,
>and then I say,
>
>
>
>"Find more aliens
>for house to rent."
>And in the yard
>I put a tent.
>
>
>
>
>Send for family
>they just trash,
>But they, too,
>draw the welfare cash!
>
>
>
>
>Everything is
>very good,
>And soon we
>own the neighborhood.
>
>ß ß ß ß ß ß
>
>
>We have hobby
>it's called breeding,
>Welfare pay
>for baby feeding.
>
>
>
>Kids need dentist?
>Wife need pills?
>We get free!
>We got no bills!
>
>
>
>
>American crazy!
>He pay all year,
>To keep welfare
>running here.
>
>
>
>
>We think America
>darn good place!
>Too darn good for
>the white man race.
>
>
>ßß
>
>If they no like us,
>they can scram,
>Got lots of room in
>Pakistan.
>

>
>SEND THIS TO EVERY AMERICAN
>TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

Yea!!! I hate welfare.

Godless.

DeSeRt RaT UK
08-04-04, 08:20 AM
"Grass is always greener on the other side" comes to mind. Every division among men is going to be the brunt of some racism or another.

With black athletes and such, I wasn't sure if it was necessarily they are physically 'superior', but perhaps have more motivation and drive to succeed then their counterparts?

surenderer
08-04-04, 09:42 AM
"Grass is always greener on the other side" comes to mind. Every division among men is going to be the brunt of some racism or another.

With black athletes and such, I wasn't sure if it was necessarily they are physically 'superior', but perhaps have more motivation and drive to succeed then their counterparts?



As an African-American myself I must say that I agree. Alotta Blacks grow up in poverty and they use Sports as a means of getting out of the "Ghetto" ever see a NBA player from Beverly Hills? That being said however there are plenty of differences between blacks and whites....not differences that mean we cant get along but over 400 years of subvert and covert slavery on a population of people cant have anything but a negative effect on the "phsyci"(sp?) of a race....peace

Closet Philosopher
08-04-04, 10:14 AM
I hate it when black people say that they should have affirmative action because they were subjected to slavery. If white people didn't bring you over to North America, then you would be starving in Africa while dying of AIDS. (It's crude but it's the premise of a comedy sketch that I'm writing).

"We live in poverty" Go to college and get a good job. It's easier for you to get in.

I hate it when minorities complain about poverty. How about they break the cycle of poverty? Oh, the last time I checked, being poor and listening to rap music was cool. So, I guess minorities will never break the poverty struggle.

river-wind
08-04-04, 10:45 AM
Thanks for the support Godless, but I have to seriously disagree with the vitrole against welfare. Many people seem to see it as a way to get free money, and it is. It can be abused. It needs to be cleaned up. However, if you ever try living on welfare yourself, you will find that it is far from convienient.

It provides significantly less than a living income. Medicade only pays part of medical bills, and many claims are rejected as a basic rule, as opposed to a per-claim reason.
Surviving on welfare, and even trying to get *on* welfare as a non-citizen on an immegrant citizen is extremely dificult.

I have worked alot with welfare reciptients, and I'd say a good 40% abuse the system. However, those not abusing the system live a seriously limited life - from not having enough heat in the winter to having enough food on the table to not qualify as malnurised, to not having running water all the time (trying to get a job w/o a shower to clean up in or wash your clothes in makes getting or keeping a job very difficult).

I have seen welfare turn down a single mother of two with a digenerative liver condition caused by the reciept of tainted blood during the treatment of anemia, while aproving a single man with jail history and a known current drug problem. The paperwork is quite difficult, and the state-employed assitants are underpaid and over-worked. Much of the time, they only put up with the job because they can't get a better job; they are pitifully underqualified.

Back to the topic, much of the time, people on welfare *are* African Americans; but do you realize that slavery was abolished in the US in 1865? That seems like a long time ago, huh? Well, it's only 139 years ago. I have curb-side trees in my neighborhood older than that. We are only in the ~6 generation out of slavery! We are only in the third generation out of legal segregation in this country!
There are still alot of people alive today in the Philly area who had no real feeling of protection from the police back in the 40's, 50's and 60's; people who were forced to sit at the back of the bus (which seem trivial until you look at the design of buses at the time - the money was taken in the middle. Whites were trusted to pay on their way off the bus by exiting through the back. By forcing blacks to sit in the back, they were being required to pay first; not being trusted to pay honestly at the end of the trip).
Given this, it is not surprising that an inordinant percentage of people in poverty are blacks. Oportunity is not as easy for people who grandfathers were beaten, hated, and sidelined for decades; even if the party line is "we are all equal."
These things take time and hard work.

Quick analogy - I got into a fight with someone yesterday who was parked in a handicapped spot. They were not handicapped, nor did they have plates or a placcard. They came out of my office building and I asked them to not park there, out of respect for those how have difficulty walking long distances.
The response I got was "I was only inside for a minute. Besides, they always get to park near the door."
My response was simply "And you always get to use your legs."
Yes, the hadicapped are getting preferential treatment; because they have daily difficulties in life that you and I do not!

So maybe welfare takes money out of the pockets of people who earn their money - it is designed to help those in dire straits, and aren't able to earn money themselves. *Aren't* able - those who *can't*; it is supposed to take money from those who *can* , and gives it to those who *can't*. We need to clean up the system so that it can work with the money it already has - to help those families who are unable to earn a wage which can feed them and their families.
Outright anger towars the system itself, without figuring out specific ways to fix it, will only serve to hurt people in dire situations. And given certain sets of circumstances, dire situations which we could all one day find ourselves.

river-wind
08-04-04, 10:57 AM
I hate it when black people say that they should have affirmative action because they were subjected to slavery. If white people didn't bring you over to North America, then you would be starving in Africa while dying of AIDS. (It's crude but it's the premise of a comedy sketch that I'm writing).

Its crude and wrong. The epidemics and poverty currently suffered in Africa are not due to African actions, but to european polocies enforced for hundreds of years there. Those living in Etheopia would be living in a vibrant jungle, as they had for thousands of years, if it had not been for the mass food production systems set up the the Romans after enslaving the populace. The area was heavily overfarmed; nutirent depletion and erosion allowed the encrochment of the Sahara at rates bever seen before in that area. Now, that entire area is desert, farmless. The giant farms and ports are now archeological sites, and nothing more. Because of the beginings of the same ideology and buisness which brought Africans over to the US in the first place - slavery and international slave trade.


"We live in poverty" Go to college and get a good job. It's easier for you to get in.

Please spend time trying to assist a young man or woman who is living in poverty and is trying to get into college.
Help them get a suit, help them learn how to act in an interview, and how to write an application letter. Help them gain transportation to the school, and help them to get a full scholorship, or even better, just try and help them get student loans.
See my 'handicapped space' story above. They need what you see as 'extra' help because they do not recieve the same quality of life that you have enjoyed. You learned in school how to write effectively. More often then not, that topic is not fully covered in the poorest neighborhoods. The teachers are, by design, subpar in their own education, and value as educators. If local property taxes are used to determine the amount of money a public school gets, then the good teachers will teach in rich areas, where they earn more. Bad teachers will take anything they can get, and that is in the poor areas.


I hate it when minorities complain about poverty. How about they break the cycle of poverty? Oh, the last time I checked, being poor and listening to rap music was cool. So, I guess minorities will never break the poverty struggle.
sadly, you have a point here. Kids growing up in poverty are hounded by mass-media images of extremes - either being poor, and not caring, or becoming super-wealthy through sports or music.
Neither help those kids form a constructive plan of *how* to get out of poverty. Only a very few will see millions from sports or music, but a majority try. That means that a majority fail, and have no marketable skills to fall back on, because their schools failed to teach them those skills, and they were not driven by their families/friends/culture to learn on their own.
We need to market the idea of hard work, and compromised, stable living to children growing up in poverty - give them a realistic plan to break out of poverty.
And we need help. If you are pissed at minorities complaining about poverty, then help them. they'll stop complaining if they are no longer living in squallid conditions.

Tracker00
08-04-04, 11:01 AM
that's one of the most simple minded comments i've heard. i just dont understand how people can be so close minded. there's always more than 2 sides to a story and you'd really have to be omnipotent to understand everything in order to fairly access the situation.

so since you aren't omnipotent the best you can do is try to understand what possible outcomes could have occurred from various changes in history.

lets take a simple example, if Africans hadn't been taken to North America, then either South America would have had a larger slave population or slave trade wouldn't have occurred and Africa would have been allowed to continue their progress without interference. so now we have two possible outcomes. if slavery increased in South America then its possible that the increase in numbers could have led to abolishment in maybe the mid-18th century instead of mid-19th century. well, where would North American colonies have been then especially considering there were no slaves to use as labor. they would have either grown much slower economically than our history or might have increased indentured servitude or mass immigration from Europe. then Europe's population would have been drained anywhere from 230,000 to 4 million people (roughly the amount of slaves beginning in 1810 to the 1860s). now we have to take into account European development without those people and there are still the other possibilities to consider like what if Africans hadn't been taken from Africa. would that mean Europe wouldn't have imperialistic goals so they wouldn't have interfered with Asian countries?

well now you can see my point that you cannot just say something as simple as “If white people didn't bring you over to North America, then you would be starving in Africa while dying of AIDS” without having all the knowledge (omnipotence) to back it up.



I hate it when black people say that they should have affirmative action because they were subjected to slavery. If white people didn't bring you over to North America, then you would be starving in Africa while dying of AIDS. (It's crude but it's the premise of a comedy sketch that I'm writing).

"We live in poverty" Go to college and get a good job. It's easier for you to get in.

I hate it when minorities complain about poverty. How about they break the cycle of poverty? Oh, the last time I checked, being poor and listening to rap music was cool. So, I guess minorities will never break the poverty struggle.

Tracker00
08-04-04, 11:05 AM
and i'd like to add that just reading river-wind's post increases the amount of information i had on the situtation and allows me to modify my "simple example"

Closet Philosopher
08-04-04, 12:25 PM
River Wind, you are telling me to help these people. They do have help if they want it. They can stop by an employment office and they will help out anyone who needs a resume, show them where to get proper apparel, show them how to get to college, how to do cover letters and such. They can go to a library to get information off of the internet on how to get a job. School councillors are always willing to help out and direct th epath of misguided people. The problem is that the person who wants to take advantage of all this help needs to take the initiative.

When I posted the following:
"I hate it when black people say that they should have affirmative action because they were subjected to slavery. If white people didn't bring you over to North America, then you would be starving in Africa while dying of AIDS. (It's crude but it's the premise of a comedy sketch that I'm writing)."

It wasn't supposed to be taken in a literal sense. I made it really obvious that it wasn't entirely literal. What I was trying to say is that they dwell on the past and use it as an excuse for lack of education and poverty.

As for helping them, I do help them by paying taxes. Especially where I live (in Canada), a large chink of my taxes go toward welfare funds where people get money and don't have to work for it. I am a decent person who is working to pay for my education so that I can have a decent job in the future. Since I am white, I have to work harder to go to University than minorities due to affirmative action. I also have to pay more to go to school than they do. That's Ok, because Affirmative Action hasn't stopped me from doing what I want.

river-wind:

You said that slavery was stoppped 6 generations ago. That's plenty of time to rise to higher standards.

In the 1950s, women here refused higher education. My grandmother only got to grade 8 because she was forced to work and women were refused high school education. Is that an excuse for me to not succeed? No. I am going on to higher education.

I will even go to higher education when I have to get 75% + (I got even higher) on my report card while minorities in my school only need about 65% +. The problem is that most of them don't take advantage of that! How much more help do they need? I got that average with studying only a few hours a month. Even if you aren't that bright, you can study a couple hours a day and WORK.

I believe that anyone who wants help to get a decent job and break out of poverty needs to work for it. The help is there if you want. In conclusion, instead of complaining about poverty, go out, get a job, get as much help as you need and live a good life. You can only get help if you help yourself.

river-wind
08-04-04, 12:43 PM
I believe that anyone who wants help to get a decent job and break out of poverty needs to work for it. The help is there if you want. In conclusion, instead of complaining about poverty, go out, get a job, get as much help as you need and live a good life. You can only get help if you help yourself.
That, I agree with fully.

Mystech
08-06-04, 08:13 PM
Same thing ;)

Homosexuals are more or less "accentuated" white people.

Huh? Is there some stereotype that homosexuals are all white, which I'm unfamiliar with?

Closet Philosopher
08-07-04, 10:13 PM
Isn't the majority of homosexuals white? Or am I wrong? I think the % of minority homosexuals compared to the % of their population is much lower, right? It might be due to religious factors though.

§outh§tar
08-07-04, 10:15 PM
Huh? Is there some stereotype that homosexuals are all white, which I'm unfamiliar with?

I was only saying homosexuals tend to act more "white" than not.

Mystech
08-10-04, 03:28 AM
Isn't the majority of homosexuals white? Or am I wrong? I think the % of minority homosexuals compared to the % of their population is much lower, right? It might be due to religious factors though.

If anything the exact opposite is true. I'm kind of shocked, this is a misconception I've never heard before. The percentage of hispanic homosexuals alone sometimes seems stagering! I'm begining to think that they just raise their children gay!


I was only saying homosexuals tend to act more "white" than not.

Again, I'm at a bit of a loss, here I thought gay males were often thought to act more like black women than anything else! haha.

I'm going to have to take both of you out to a gay club sometime, and let you hit on black drag queens or something.

gendanken
08-14-04, 05:35 PM
Muahahahahahahh.
You hate yourself so damn much, allow Gendanken to help you.

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=39636

Dr Lou Natic
09-03-04, 05:38 AM
I'd agree with mystech that homosexuals act more like black women than white people, they're as far away from acting like the stereotypical white person as something could be.

Southstar's just trying to slander white people with any fake dirt he can come up with. Thats what people tend to do to the topdog. Like you'll see ugly girls saying bad things about hot girls, and lesser athletes sneakily pointing out the flaws in superior ones. Its all rather sad.

jbrittenham
09-03-04, 05:52 AM
Whiteboy:

Then why do you think they pursue Asian women?
Look around, there are millions of white boys with these small, demure females becuase it is only when juxtaposed with a hole so tight and small as the Asian one that the pathetically small Caucasoid penis can feel gigantic in comparison.


And by the way, rosacea is like..so sexy.


No [deleted], so many asian women are with white men because gook boys are inferior. Asian males are the most inferior "men" on earth, and shouldn't really even be called men... they're a race of boys. Petite little bodies (that are smooth, soft, and look much like a girls' body), the physiques of 12 year old boys (scrawny with no muscles), boyish faces, a lack of height, high pitched voices, and the smallest dicks on earth that make asian boys inadequate... tiny little dicks, smaller than any other race, that make them unable to compete with a man from any other race, even (or especially) for their own women.

Asian boys can't even compensate for their inferior bodies with their personalities, since asian boys tend to suffer from arrested development, and alternately act in an effeminate manner or like bratty adolescents (your post being a good example of this).

Asian males are inferior. Asian women know this, and they also know that genetics make asian boys the least masculine race of males on earth. Asian women are desperate for a male that's actually capable of being manly, and are escaping in the arms of white and other races of men. Asian women have simply found a superior race of men (or rather, have found real men for the first time), and asian boys are now obsolete... an evolutionary dead end that needs to die out.

Dreamwalker
09-03-04, 06:01 AM
Got any scientific proof for that? An article or study would be interesting.

Dr Lou Natic
09-03-04, 06:07 AM
He's right.
The mongoloid phenotype is naturally feminine. This is why there can be attractive female asians but no attractive male ones. They've evolved in an oppressive culture where men controlled sexual selection and women had no say. Thus they have evolved towards attractive females with nothing keeping the appearance of the males in check, instead they evolved to be similar to the females because the selection was so specific.
Now asian women come and see men that actually are a product of sexual selection, selected by females, and they are obviously impressed.
This is why you see attractive asian women with mediocre to sub-par to downright hideous white males. To them its still an improvement. Even if only in the masculinity they have been deprived of for generations.
I like a challenge so I personally do not seek asian women. There's no sense of triumph in it. I see them as god's gift to the ugly sweaty nerds that dragged humanity out of wilderness.

Dr Lou Natic
09-03-04, 06:08 AM
Got any scientific proof for that? An article or study would be interesting
Don't be naive, as if there would be an article on this subject.

Dreamwalker
09-03-04, 06:31 AM
Well, the articles about many abstruse things, so why not a cultural study about the asian male?

Dr Lou Natic
09-03-04, 06:35 AM
Saying how he's the least attractive example of a male homo-sapien?
Think about it.
Political correctness is crazy now, you aren't even allowed to acknowledge that races differ, you aren't allowed to acknowledge they exist period because there is the outside chance someone will start thinking one is better than another.

path
09-03-04, 06:46 AM
No gook boy, so many asian women are with white men because gook boys are inferior. Asian males are the most inferior "men" on earth, and shouldn't really even be called men... they're a race of boys. Petite little bodies (that are smooth, soft, and look much like a girls' body), the physiques of 12 year old boys (scrawny with no muscles), boyish faces, a lack of height, high pitched voices, and the smallest dicks on earth that make asian boys inadequate... tiny little dicks, smaller than any other race, that make them unable to compete with a man from any other race, even (or especially) for their own women.

Asian boys can't even compensate for their inferior bodies with their personalities, since asian boys tend to suffer from arrested development, and alternately act in an effeminate manner or like bratty adolescents (your post being a good example of this).

Asian males are inferior. Asian women know this, and they also know that genetics make asian boys the least masculine race of males on earth. Asian women are desperate for a male that's actually capable of being manly, and are escaping in the arms of white and other races of men. Asian women have simply found a superior race of men (or rather, have found real men for the first time), and asian boys are now obsolete... an evolutionary dead end that needs to die out.

Oh hurray, we have gotten a new idiot :rolleyes:

Dr Lou Natic
09-03-04, 07:02 AM
You're just a racistist...

Dreamwalker
09-03-04, 07:18 AM
I do not care about political correctness, and I am not the only one...

the hard thing is to find actual material on the Asian male and not on the Asian American male.

Some websites that deal with stereotypes, but they are not really good.

http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~tiffloui/male.htm

http://www.gapsn.org/project2/discussion/mura2.asp

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_7-8_40/ai_55083950/pg_1

The last link is a study on japanese male - female behaviour, with the result that many male Japanese students are becoming more feminine in their behaviour. Porbably because they are mostly in contact with their mother since the father works all day.
But the female students seem to be more masculine since they are urged to archieve high test results, find good jobs and so on.

As of yet, I was not able to find a good article on the asian male physiology.

But a lot of articles deal with the role of the women in asian society. Where she is still regarded as inferior to men, as a result, those women might be more atracted to more tolerant western men...

Everything that deals with the asian male body being inferior to those of westernes is just discarded as myth.

Blue_UK
09-03-04, 09:30 AM
jbrittenham gives racists a bad name! :)

Xev
09-03-04, 10:15 AM
The mongoloid phenotype is naturally feminine.

This explains why the Vietnamese kicked serious American ass in Vietnam.


No gook boy, so many asian women are with white men because gook boys are inferior.

Oooh, that explains why the Europeans could never defeat the Mongols.

Dr. Lou:

Political correctness is crazy now, you aren't even allowed to acknowledge that races differ, you aren't allowed to acknowledge they exist period because there is the outside chance someone will start thinking one is better than another.

True. Anyone wishing to study racial differences is immediately branded as a Nazi, an "elitist" (as if that's a bad thing) and then subjected to the endless chorus of "race doesn't exist scientifically!"

But when someone brings up racial differences, they are deluged with "show me some study proving this!"

Science is the gospel of modern culture, not the methods of science but the affection of science. If science doesn't say so, why it isn't so! The postmodern world feeds on the Enlightenment for its legitimacy.

That said, whatever the behaviour of individuals, the Asiatic race is by no means weak or effemiate. History shows this in a way no study could.

Indeed the white race is in many things weak, ill-constituted, and dominated by intellect.

But of course, the Polacks are the master race.

Closet Philosopher
09-03-04, 11:03 AM
I'm not an Asian, but Asian men have made some of the biggest technological inventions in the world. Their Physique may be.... lacking but they are ganerally quite intelligent (at least the Asians that I know).

It's not how big it is, it's how you use it.

fadingCaptain
09-03-04, 11:09 AM
I'm perfectly happy being a white guy. I'm even more happy that I happen to be attractive and intelligent. Those qualities are more important than any general race. I laugh at all those commercials with the incompetant miserable white father that cant do anything right. Slave morality at its finest.

sly1
09-03-04, 12:12 PM
SouthStar you arent a fan of hockey are you? Hockey has plenty of competant white males. I suggest you take a break from basketball and look around to some of the less telivised sports, or is that the only place you get your education is from the TV? I am a white male and I have noticed the same trend as maestro mentioned. It doesnt really bug me as much simply because I know better and I know the truth of the matter. But what bugs me is most of the world is unintelligent enough to believe such things. Possibly the reason this trend has become popular. Its a shame that soo many people reguardless of what race rely on telivision for their source of knowledge.

Xev
09-03-04, 03:37 PM
Stop it! Do not dare question your white guilt or you will end up like this guy (http://www.motumbo.net/images/hitlermellon.jpg)

Both sides are foolish. While I agree that liberal whites are often ashamed of their race, it is absurd to go from "liberal whites are pansy-ass slave moralists who feel guilty over 'Amistad'" to "wow, being a white man sucks". Whites are by no means the losers in our society.

Pointing this out often provokes a huffy "well, I'm sorry I'm not politically correct!". Of course they aren't. Political correctness has reached such a peak that an idea is often applauded just for being politically in-correct. Blacks are stupid? Wow, what balls you have! Jews are greedy? My, how you challenge the status quo. Women are intellectually inferiour to men? Nobody says that! You're so courageous to support a moldy and stupid idea just because it's unpopular!

Political correctness is often absurd, but the way we fete the politically incorrect is simply stupid. In the end, both extremes serve the social order, and thus neither is radical at all.

Dr Lou Natic
09-03-04, 07:27 PM
This explains why the Vietnamese kicked serious American ass in Vietnam
I didn't say those bitches couldn't toss a grenade. Phenotype means physical appearance, but you know that.
Mongoloids are probably the craftiest, most disciplined race. War doesn't have much to do with masculine physiques, certainly not in the last 100 years.

Xev
09-04-04, 10:51 AM
Doc:

I didn't say those bitches couldn't toss a grenade. Phenotype means physical appearance, but you know that.

Physical structure and morphology.
And they did quite more than toss grenades.


Mongoloids are probably the craftiest, most disciplined race. War doesn't have much to do with masculine physiques, certainly not in the last 100 years.

I'm not arguing that they have "masculine physiques", I'm saying that they're not weak or effemiate as a race. We're arguing about different things.

Xev
09-04-04, 11:55 AM
Missed this:

jbrittenham:


Petite little bodies (that are smooth, soft, and look much like a girls' body), the physiques of 12 year old boys (scrawny with no muscles), boyish faces, a lack of height, high pitched voices, and the smallest dicks on earth that make asian boys inadequate... tiny little dicks, smaller than any other race, that make them unable to compete with a man from any other race, even (or especially) for their own women.

I presume you're speaking from personal observations?
It's not fair to stereotype a whole race because some of its members can't please you sexually.

apendrapew
09-04-04, 12:37 PM
As if you're not guilty of excessive overgeneralization, Xev.


tiny little dicks, smaller than any other race, that make them unable to compete with a man from any other race, even (or especially) for their own women.

That's why they have Kung-fu sex :rolleyes:

GftE05
09-05-04, 06:58 PM
@ jbrittenham:

What part of the country do you live in? let me guess, somewhere in the suburbs where white is the dominating figures and with a few passing-by Asians whom you think is enough for you to generalize? Are you’re just intentionally over-generalizing things for the fun of it, or does your hatred and xenophobia runs deep?

Now back to this thread’s pivoting topic.
I’m an Asian female and I’ve been here in America for about a decade, so if my English is a little bit rusty, my condolences.
I work at a retail store and from what I have seen, the rudest, obnoxious, dirtiest, and oddest customers are whites.
Some of them are the most arrogant people I have ever met. But still, some were extremely nice and considerate. But what can ya say? This place is dominated with whites, and their personalities are many. ……so are their sizes and figures.

gendanken
09-05-04, 07:19 PM
So Jbrittenham sends me a pm, you know, just in case his gibberish does not go ignored.
Therefore:

No gook boy, so many asian women are with white men because gook boys are inferior. Asian males are the most inferior "men" on earth, and shouldn't really even be called men... they're a race of boys. Petite little bodies (that are smooth, soft, and look much like a girls' body), the physiques of 12 year old boys (scrawny with no muscles), boyish faces, a lack of height, high pitched voices, and the smallest dicks on earth that make asian boys inadequate... tiny little dicks, smaller than any other race, that make them unable to compete with a man from any other race, even (or especially) for their own women.

Asian boys can't even compensate for their inferior bodies with their personalities, since asian boys tend to suffer from arrested development, and alternately act in an effeminate manner or like bratty adolescents (your post being a good example of this).

Asian males are inferior. Asian women know this, and they also know that genetics make asian boys the least masculine race of males on earth. Asian women are desperate for a male that's actually capable of being manly, and are escaping in the arms of white and other races of men. Asian women have simply found a superior race of men (or rather, have found real men for the first time), and asian boys are now obsolete... an evolutionary dead end that needs to die out.

If you did your homework you'd acutally see I agree with you.
Asians are found mostly with Non-Asians becuase they all look alike.
I said this in another thread:


I've also said:
"Asian porn is only a stimulant for those who are not Asian- specifically for those pale Occidentals we call Lonely White Boys"

and:

"Go into any subway system in Beijing- you will find yourself lost in a sea of black and yellow, all roughly the same height and weight, and behaving the same cultured way.
In a nightmare such as this where it seems we are lost in a sea of clones, its quite natural to gravitate towards what is different- the "white" race as well as the "black" or Latino race shows more variation within the phenotype than the chinky, oops, Asian one. There is something very particular to this race in its abilities to all look the same."


Nice try.
Now.....go away.

Blue_UK
09-06-04, 09:31 AM
Gendy, chinks do not all look the same once you've been around them for long enough. My room mate for three years was an oriental and when arguing with him over this matter he claimed whites all looked simular to him.

I agree, asian porn is crap - but that's just because I find white women (on the whole) more appealing.


Asians are found mostly with Non-Asians
Not where I live.

apendrapew
09-06-04, 10:59 AM
What if a race's place in the evolutionary ladder were inversely proportional to the size of its' males' phalluses?

I think Asians are better than you guys give credit for. Sure, the majority of their men have fragile, girly bodies but that's because it's an area they haven't chosen to excel in. The things they choose to excel at (especially activities that require a lot of coordination), they seem to do better than any other race (Martial arts, music, videogames, gymnastics). Take a look at the physiques of Asian gymnasts and call them girly, cause they're fucking ripped as much as any other gymnast.

When I bring this up, people always say "Asian people are crazy like that cause it's all they do"

I'm sure the fact that they're crazy can be attributed to their monomaniacal culture, but there also seems to be something genetic about it. What seems to make them successful as a race is that individuals are unusally adept in adaptation (becoming extremely good at a skill for an example), which enables them to be very specialized and productive. Perhaps this can explain their perfectionist/meticulous nature. Each individual is extremely focused on their task and is extremely dependent on others (like the cells of a human), which can also explain why they have less sense of individuality than the US.

My conclusion: Asians naturally have a higher capacity to adapt than the rest of us and therefore also have a higher capacity for specialization. Like most human behaviors and tendencies, they have biological roots and are reinforced by society; in other words, they were always maniacs, but thanks to group polarization, they're even moreso. By default, they have small weak bodies because they require less food and space (there's a lot of them afterall, right?) and live in tightly-knit communities.

As for reasons why Asian women prefer interratial relationships, how about respect? Asian men treat their women like shit.

GftE05
09-06-04, 07:58 PM
i don't really know where you guys get all your information on but
1. All Asian men actually don't treat their women like ****
There are certain types of Asian men that do, but you may be referring to those kinds that are born and raised in the good ole USA.

2. Yea of course, obviously the reasons why interracial relationship occur is because of respect, shouldn't all relationships base on respect?

3. You all say Asians all look the same--height and weight, yea and so what? Look at the world around you. You complain, stare and demoralize people just because they look ugly, big, fat, short or tall. The biggest issue I be hearing around here a lot is rise in obesity, in which your kind treat as some kind of disease in which you must cure.

I don't know why this is specifically targetted at white and asians, why not bring along blacks and hispanics. to me those two groups seem to be more piqued in asian women. Why don't not just put these "lonely white boys" with the rest of groups in the catagory of "asianphiles?"

Roman
09-06-04, 08:10 PM
apendrapew
How is it that you conclude adaptability and specialization are positively related? In ecology, it's often demonstrated than the most specialized species are the ones most sensitive to change, making them less adaptable.

I think the best example of Japanese non-adaptability were the Samurai. They refused to give up Bushido and feudalism, using 14th century warfare against 19th.

It was predicted in the 80's that the Japanese would take over the world through economics. It turned out that the Japanese were great at mimicing and improving already existing products, but that the vast majority of major technical advances were performed by Westerners.

Xev
09-06-04, 09:56 PM
GftE05:
Welcome to yon Sci-forums.


Why don't not just put these "lonely white boys" with the rest of groups in the catagory of "asianphiles?"

Yay! More overgeneralization so that they don't have to think!
Don't encourage them.

DeeCee
09-07-04, 12:29 AM
Fuck race.

Hate the rich.
Dee Cee

The Marquis
09-07-04, 12:37 AM
i don't really know where you guys get all your information on but
1. All Asian men actually don't treat their women like ****
There are certain types of Asian men that do, but you may be referring to those kinds that are born and raised in the good ole USA.

2. Yea of course, obviously the reasons why interracial relationship occur is because of respect, shouldn't all relationships base on respect?

3. You all say Asians all look the same--height and weight, yea and so what? Look at the world around you. You complain, stare and demoralize people just because they look ugly, big, fat, short or tall. The biggest issue I be hearing around here a lot is rise in obesity, in which your kind treat as some kind of disease in which you must cure.

I don't know why this is specifically targetted at white and asians, why not bring along blacks and hispanics. to me those two groups seem to be more piqued in asian women. Why don't not just put these "lonely white boys" with the rest of groups in the catagory of "asianphiles?"

The term "Asians" tends to cover a wide range of peoples. Misogyny also comes in various guises. Asian men have the benefit of at least being more open about their misogynistic tendencies than their caucasian counterparts, in general. Those asians born in the "good ole USA" have the unfortunate tendency to aquire elements of various kinds of misogyny, making them seem little more than patchwork quilts. Those born in Asia are far more agressively so, but at least they are open about it, especially in public or with peers. What occurs behind closed doors is for them alone to know.

On the subject of obesity - it may in some cases be a disease for which a "cure" should be found. On the whole, though, it is merely the symptom of a disease which unfortunately is far more difficult to cure, and one which most sufferers find many excuses for.

"Piqued in asian women"... what a curious turn of phrase.

water
09-07-04, 08:26 AM
chinks do not all look the same once you've been around them for long enough. My room mate for three years was an oriental and when arguing with him over this matter he claimed whites all looked simular to him.

I watched a BBC docu on how our memory for people depends on the race we are usually surrounded by.

A white woman was raped by a black man; she said she saw his face very well, but in a line-up, she did not recognize him correctly -- but this wasn't because of the shock.

Living among people of a certain race, you have learned to distinguish them, while members of other races look very similar to you.

duendy
09-07-04, 09:16 AM
Maestro...NOw mr whiteman you know how women feel, black people feel, Gays feel. all disenfranchized p[eople feel. If you understand how you feel deeply tyhis insight will bring com-passion in you...that means 'shared suffering'. you can emphaszie with those also affected by prejudice. and you wont go there. you will be human and see people as people.

and .......dont dont dont believe the hype

apendrapew
09-07-04, 02:11 PM
What I meant by adaptability was that generally Asians as individuals have a higher than average capacity to become good at a particular thing compared to other races. The better each person is at his own job, the better the community will be at producing.

WHY they get so incredibly good at the things they choose to specialize in is what the other part of my post was about. Combination a nature/nurture influences.

It only makes sense. If you have individuals getting extremely good in extremely limited ways, you're going to have a very specialized community.

Rappaccini
09-07-04, 07:44 PM
Fuck race.

Ready. Set. Go!


Hate the rich.

You sure you don't mean "envy," DeeCee?

alain
09-08-04, 03:07 AM
i agree with the thread, in many places in the world, white males are treated the worst off

*remebers simpsons episode, stand up commendian says 'see, white guys, drive a car like this *drives like a nerd* whereas black guys drive a car like this *drives all relaxed n cool*'

yeah, (where i live) white guys get no respect, white chicks get heaps, black guys get heaps and black chicks arent really talked about much

duendy
09-08-04, 03:28 AM
apedaprew claims that Asians are beter at doing things and being successful at them then other 'races'
first .....undestand that the concept of 'races' as phony
then checkout an experiement done with schoolkids in the 1960s...the teach separated out the blue eyed kids from the brown eyed kids, and told the former they were best at stuff, and could have perks etc etc. you can see in this documentary how upset the brown eyed kids get through this prejudice

it is good lesson to learn for us adults and all

apendrapew
09-08-04, 05:32 PM
If I said that they are better at doing "things" and being "successful" I'll correct myself. I meant that they have a higher ability to be extremely good at doing tasks than any other race. They are in many ways superior.

concept of races are phony.. elaborate on this. I want you tell me that they don't exist.

Dreamwalker
09-08-04, 05:41 PM
Concerning the matter of successfulness. I have noticed that asian people, for the most part Japanese are quite focused on a selective few things. And they pursue those things with a great sacrifice of personal time and energy.
They are successful, but not universally so.

gendanken
09-08-04, 08:44 PM
In the small amount of time I have ( fuck the world):

Blue Uk:


Gendy, chinks do not all look the same once you've been around them for long enough. My room mate for three years was an oriental and when arguing with him over this matter he claimed whites all looked simular to him.
That's Asians, Blue, Asians.
We're being sugary and nice here, mind your fucking manners.

That said- I agree that familiarity is a basic component to differentiating between things- people, furniture, flies.
But just like women, in their abilities to be so emotionally similar, this race is eery in its lack of dissimilarity.
Therefore, just as it takes some expertise in telling female from female (when's the last time you've been surprise by one?), so too does it energy to tell Asian from Asian.


I agree, asian porn is crap - but that's just because I find white women (on the whole) more appealing.
All porn is crap.


Not where I live
We don't care where you live.

gfteo5

i don't really know where you guys get all your information on but
1. All Asian men actually don't treat their women like ****

Uhm, Asian women?


2. Yea of course, obviously the reasons why interracial relationship occur is because of respect, shouldn't all relationships base on respect?
So, according to you, interracial relationships have nothing to do with horny humans.
And all other black- and- blue- punch her fucking teeth out relationships are based on respect.

The housing project down the street is so inspiring.


3. You all say Asians all look the same--height and weight, yea and so what? Look at the world around you. You complain, stare and demoralize people just because they look ugly, big, fat, short or tall. The biggest issue I be hearing around here a lot is rise in obesity, in which your kind treat as some kind of disease in which you must cure.
No, you complain, stare and demoralize because its gorgeous fun.
The biggest issue I be hearing from you is one of you having personalized the issue.


I don't know why this is specifically targetted at white and asians, why not bring along blacks and hispanics. to me those two groups seem to be more piqued in asian women. Why don't not just put these "lonely white boys" with the rest of groups in the catagory of "asianphiles?"
Done and did.
I have yet to see one lonely white boy- let alone one lonely anybody- who has not compensated for their lack by gravitating to that which they feel superior to.
Don't know about you but when seeing two fat pigs together in love, I don't see love. I see mutual charity.

Marquis:


The term "Asians" tends to cover a wide range of peoples. Misogyny also comes in various guises. Asian men have the benefit of at least being more open about their misogynistic tendencies than their caucasian counterparts, in general.
I certainly don't think so.

Every last man one sees with an Asian woman or those like her has sycophantic tendencies- its a strategy all men use around women they presume as submissive.
You see this with weak men- the strong ones abuse her. Yet both are forms of abuse, one being more poisonous.


Xev:

Yay! More overgeneralization so that they don't have to think!
Don't encourage them
A. Lonely white males tend to exhibit obsessions with power, a clumsiness in attaining it, and a higher intellectual capacity borne from bitter or nonbitter isolation. This is not exclusive, as these traits are found in any individual of high caliber regardless of race, creed, or gender.
B. He's lonlely 'cuase all he wants is poon.

Generalizations have their place- and they're lots more fun.

Hideki Matsumoto
09-08-04, 09:15 PM
Quit trying to put all of western civilizations problems on yourself. You are a Caucasoid learn to live as you are. I know some people think (elderly) I am in leauge with Hirohito and General Sato. I know I am Japanese but I not a Kamikaze (pronounced: KAH,MI KA,ZAY)

nbachris2788
09-08-04, 11:23 PM
Wow. That's just my reaction to some of the things I've been reading in this thread.

Xev
09-08-04, 11:25 PM
This topic just increases in amusing-ness.

gendanken:

That's Asians, Blue, Asians.

I thought nobody else would pick up the irony of being politically correct and calling them "orientals".


Generalizations have their place- and they're lots more fun.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm a racist.
I just don't think Asiatics are untermenschen.

duendy
09-09-04, 05:06 AM
apdendrapew..."If I said that they are better at doing "things" and being "successful" I'll correct myself. I mean that they have a higher ability to be extemely good at doing tasks than any other race. They are in many ways superior....."

oh i seeeeee......hah! you've just said the same thing only the second time worse.

thing is. i have found that people who rave on how superior they are are really the most insecure people. that's why they shout about it so much

"concept of races ar phony.....elaborate on this. I want you to tell me that they don't exist."

If you are the one of the "race" you seem to think are so superior, why is it then i have to do the research work for you, and even have known about this for some time?
which dont mean i think myself superior. it is just the irony of the situation.......anyway here's some stuff to be going on with. i have other references in my notes somewhere. i am going through them anyway, so i might come upon other sources too

http://www.multiracial.com/abolutionist/word/landrith2.html

http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/word/Kfrancis.html

http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/racism.html

Enjoy

caffeine_fubar
09-10-04, 10:51 PM
As i saw above, the statements on penis sizes... jesus christ people.. does it really matter that much? Use your tongue and shut up! lol

Actually, penis size is determined in genetics, generally not caucasian/black/asian...

alain
09-11-04, 07:41 AM
actually, its length is determined by how similar your name is to scott

(ie scott, is the longest, a name with none of s, c, o and t, and much longer a word then scott would be realyl small)

apendrapew
09-11-04, 07:45 AM
Actually, penis size is determined in genetics, generally not caucasian/black/asian...

And what are races determined by? Genetics? Holy shit, the plot thickens.


thing is. i have found that people who rave on how superior they are are really the most insecure people. that's why they shout about it so much

I'm not Asian. I'm what a white person looks like without his head in his ass.


If you are the one of the "race" you seem to think are so superior, why is it then i have to do the research work for you, and even have known about this for some time?

All that essay did was argue that races didn't matter because we're all 99.9% genetically similar. Aren't we 99% similar to chimps too? Maybe we should address their lack of suffrage.

Closet Philosopher
09-11-04, 08:23 AM
Let's start a racist group against chimps.

THis discussion is now at a standstill.

Dreamwalker
09-11-04, 11:30 AM
Yes, I agree on both points with ILikeSalt.

Xev
09-11-04, 12:41 PM
I suggest searching human science for any one of the several "does race exist?" threads. This one has been devoid of content for several pages and can no longer be considered "philosophy".