if none of them read the Koran anymore:

Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 18:28-30
For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

Koran 43:74
..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.


Koran 55:41-52
..That is the Hell which the unbelievers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny ?

Koran 76:1-5
For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire...

Koran 73:12
We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.

Koran 77:20-77:50
Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..."

Koran 8:73
The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.

Koran 21:96-21:101
..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you sall all go down.

Koran 33:7-12
...But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment...

Koran 44:40-49
..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers's fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honourable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."

Koran 52:1-52:15
..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied...Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'

Koran 31-37
And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high amd would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.

Koran 56:52-56
Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therwith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!

Koran 69:30-37
We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fie of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat...

Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.

Koran 2:89-90
The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.

Koran 13:13
..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..

Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.

Koran 70:15-16
The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..

Koran 5:10
As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.

Lovely

You mean if they weren't Muslims....

Koran 13:13
..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..


I know that one is true.

Shhh, noone reads that book :D

I won't debate you as that will not change your views, however I have provided a link, please look these verses up yourself and read them along with the other verses which come before and after them.

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM

1. Allah has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee concerning her husband and carries her complaint (in prayer) to Allah. and Allah (always) hears the arguments between both sides among you: for Allah hears and sees (all things).

2. If any men among you divorce their wives by Zihar (calling them mothers), they cannot be their mothers: None can be their mothers except those who gave them birth. And in fact they use words (both) iniquitous and false: but truly Allah is one that blots out (sins), and forgives (again and again).

3. But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered,- (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.

4. And if any has not (the wherewithal), he should fast for two months consecutively before they touch each other. But if any is unable to do so, he should feed sixty indigent ones, this, that ye may show your faith in Allah and His Messenger. Those are limits (set by) Allah. For those who reject (Him), there is a grievous Penalty.

5. Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be humbled to dust, as were those before them: for We have already sent down Clear Signs. And the Unbelievers (will have) a humiliating Penalty,-

6. On the Day that Allah will raise them all up (again) and show them the Truth (and meaning) of their conduct. Allah has reckoned its (value), though they may have forgotten it, for Allah is Witness to all things.

I chose 58.5 at random. I see nothing that makes it sound any better...you will be punished fiercely for being an unbeliever. "Clear signs" is a very subjective term for one to be punished to dust for, especially for simply not following "Islam" due to lack of evidence, while still being a moral individual.

I chose 58.5 at random. I see nothing that makes it sound any better...you will be punished fiercely for being an unbeliever. "Clear signs" is a very subjective term for one to be punished to dust for, especially for simply not following "Islam" due to lack of evidence, while still being a moral individual.

The first part of these ayat deals with divorce.

The 5th verse, deals with the war in which the Medini people where engaged against the Makkans. Those who resist implies the specific conduct of the Makkans toward the early Muslims.

Then Allah swt explains that at the end of the world, men will be Raised up again and tried by Him and if found guilty of unbelief, will go to Hell (similar to Christian, Jewish belief)

For American's to proof that they are true to the idea of "freedom of religion",

they will have to allow Muslim's to destroy America.

Nonsense.

The first part of these ayat deals with divorce.

The 5th verse, deals with the war in which the Medini people where engaged against the Makkans. Those who resist implies the specific conduct of the Makkans toward the early Muslims.

Then Allah swt explains that at the end of the world, men will be Raised up again and tried by Him and if found guilty of unbelief, will go to Hell (similar to Christian, Jewish belief)

I got that basically. I did not know about any historical context, however, the use of "Allah and his Messenger" would imply that this war was fought in the name of the Muslim god. A parallel behaviour of Christianity.

Then, you go on to say "if found guilty of unbelief, will go to hell". It is still a matter of believe or burn. Similar to Christian, Jewish belief.

Jews have no kind of "believe or burn" to there religion at all.

Jews have no kind of "believe or burn" to there religion at all.

Read the Torah, have you?

Christianity teach's that God will punish you.

The Koran teach's people to punish people for God.

Christianity teach's that God will punish you.

The Koran teach's people to punish people for God.

And what does the Torah teach?

Christianity teach's that God will punish you.
Then you missed some.

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And what does the Torah teach?
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That everyone get's to heaven.

Even me?

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And what does the Torah teach?
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That everyone get's to heaven.

So do you think that we should do away with cops and soldiers? After all, why punish anyone? Why defend yourself? Everything is alright.

Even me?Yep, all the good you do will come back to you.

So do you think that we should do away with cops and soldiers? After all, why punish anyone? Why defend yourself? Everything is alright.
What the hell are you trying to say?

What the hell are you trying to say?

Heaven on earth?:rolleyes:

What the hell are you trying to say?

If god does the punishing then why bother with cops and soldiers?
Any body the cops would have arrested will be punished by god, not the courts...

Yep, all the good you do will come back to you.

Even if I go around murdering?

Man has freewill and then you die.

Judaism has no concept of heaven or hell. Wee Willy Wonky is leading you down the garden path.

The Jewish people have helped to make America the great place it is.

People who follow the Koran are here to destroy it.

The Jewish people have helped to make America the great place it is.

People who follow the Koran are here to destroy it.


You remind me very much of this poster who used to start threads on immigrants and race and IQ.:)

Jews have no kind of "believe or burn" to there religion at all.

incorrect. they do have, and so do christains.


peace.

The Jewish people have helped to make America the great place it is.

People who follow the Koran are here to destroy it.

not all muslims take every single word of the qu ran literal, just as not all jews or christians follow the books at literal levels.


what religion are you?


peace.

not all muslims take every single word of the qu ran literal, just as not all jews or christians follow the books at literal levels.
Jews and Christian's books don't say anything like:


Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Jews and Christian's books don't say anything like:


Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Thats not eight verses. Link to translator please.

Besides, if they are unbelievers, why do they care?

Jews and Christian's books don't say anything like:


Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36)

and there are many more things like this in the bible. when i was in jail i read the bible cover to cover about 2 or 3 times, and the quran, the books are very simular.

the quran is like the 3rd testiment in my opinion. old testament, new testament then quran. the quran is a correction to the bible, teaching you to not let yourself be oppressed and to fight back. and also that jesus was not the son of god, but the messenger of god, because god cannot have a direct son as he is not human.

have you even studied or read the quran? or the bible for that matter?


peace.

Did you not know the any of the Koran.

The believers of the Koran are being told to kill the unbelievers.

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

Did you not know the any of the Koran.

The believers of the Koran are being told to kill the unbelievers.

i have the quran infront of me right now quote where and i will read it.


peace.

Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

thats no different from john 3.36


peace.

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

thats no different from john 3.36

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36)

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.



"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36)



and whats the difference? what do you think wrath means? a tea party with cake?


peace.

and whats the difference? what do you think wrath means? a tea party with cake?
It says "the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36) That means God will that care of it.

The Koran ask it's people to impose Gods wrath themselves:
Koran 40:67-40:73
We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

if none of them read the Koran anymore:

Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 18:28-30
For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

Koran 43:74
..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.


Koran 55:41-52
..That is the Hell which the unbelievers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny ?

Koran 76:1-5
For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire...

Koran 73:12
We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.

Koran 77:20-77:50
Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..."

Koran 8:73
The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.

Koran 21:96-21:101
..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you sall all go down.

Koran 33:7-12
...But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment...

Koran 44:40-49
..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers's fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honourable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."

Koran 52:1-52:15
..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied...Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'

Koran 31-37
And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high amd would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.

Koran 56:52-56
Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therwith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!

Koran 69:30-37
We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fie of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat...

Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.

Koran 2:89-90
The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.

Koran 13:13
..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..

Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.

Koran 70:15-16
The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..

Koran 5:10
As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.

Doesn't this message prove that you are a bigot who lives to eat babies and kill anyone who is not white and Christian?

What do you mean it doesn't? The truth doesn't mean anything! You can't handle the truth!

Just kidding, really. This needs to be said. Those who live by the Koran or by the Bible literally will turn the entire world into a lifeless wasteland. I often wonder if that is the reason for the books.

This thread is quite pointless. Yes, the Qur'an does say that unbelievers will be punished with hell, as does Hinduism/Buddhism/Christianity/etc.

As SAM said, if you truly don't believe Islam is the "correct" religion, then you shouldn't worry about these verses. After all, if you truly believe that Islam is false, these verses need not worry you.

There is a big difference between God judging on the final day who is worthy of Paradise and who is not, and people judging other people on this earth.

God has the right to judge people on spirituality.

Men do not have the right to coerce or force anyone into any religion.

Muslim belief is simply to let God decide on matters of faith.

2.256 There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

2.113 And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

7.87 And if there is a party of you who believe in that with which am sent, and another party who do not believe, then wait patiently until Allah judges between us; and He is the best of the Judges.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/images/islam_europe.jpg

Muslim belief is simply to let God decide on matters of faith.


Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/behead1.jpg

Doesn't this message prove that you are a bigot who lives to eat babies and kill anyone who is not white and Christian?


Stop spreading propaganda, he said he likes Christians.

I simply find the notion of one entity condemning another for not worshiping it very primitive. Almost a childlike mentality. LIke a teenage boy who wants the other boys to respect him - Chimp or Ape like really. A cross spoilt little prat throwing a hissyfit and threatening anyone who doesn't love It.

Pathetic

The verses listed by the opening post demonstrate a God that is, at times, crewel to those that do not worship It. It's a simple fact - no one here would disagree to it. The God is a reflection of the culture and this one seems to fit perfect within it's origin.

Michael II

Willy is under the mistaken impression that in the Bible god never got people to kill anyone.

Maybe the Bible did, but the Koran still does.

Jews and Christian's books don't say anything like:

Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

I agree with you that the Christian books are a little less severe. The Old Testament can often be just as bad as that Koran verse, and there are still some people who believe in it (insomuch as it suits their prejudices). Thankfully, they rarely act on it (I haven't heard of any of them actually stoning anyone to death lately.) But there are the occasional abortion clinic workers, gay people, etc.

Maybe the Bible did, but the Koran still does.

The bible DID?
You mean it's out of print/ no-one reads it anymore/ they del;eted all the nasty bits?

The Bibile does not teach people to kill other people,

the Koran does.

But if you read the New Testament, you will find that Jesus never gives permission as a True Believer to punish any nonbeliever here on earth, over his faith.

Using the KJV this time, in John 8:1 - 11 scribes and Pharisees had caught a woman in the act of adultery (the woman commonly referred to as the prostitute) and told Jesus who was teaching in the temple that the Mosaic Law required she be stoned to death. Trying to make an opportunity of this to trick Jesus that they might accuse Him, they, with stones in hand, asked Jesus what He says about the Law. After Jesus tried to ignore their repeated questioning, He told them "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." One by one each man dropped his stone and walked away.

Jesus was not arguing with the judgment. Nor was Jesus arguing the law nor the woman's guilt. Jesus was arguing with our right to execute the woman. Once all the men had dropped their stones Jesus confronted the woman and asked her if any of the men were still there to condemn her. When she answered "No man, Lord", Jesus told her that neither did He - He forgave her of her sin. He did not excuse the sin of adultery/prostitution, he forgave her of it. All that is sinful before forgiveness is still sinful after forgiveness. Not only was Jesus not afraid to call a sin a sin, He was not afraid to call a sinner a sinner. He even reminded her of the sin of adultery/prostitution by telling her "Go and sin no more."

The point of this as applicable to this article? Jesus did not argue the act of judging the chosen behavior of the adulteress/prostitute.


What exactly did Jesus mean in Matthew 7 when he said “Judge not, that ye be not judged”? Based on the context of the scripture, he was talking about those who were so quick to point out the faults of other people without mercy and at the same time turned a blind eye to their own sins. If Jesus meant that no one ever had the right to confront others about their wrongdoing because all men are sinners, he would never have sent prophets to tell people to repent. He also would not have then said in John 7 “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment,” when he was accused of breaking the sabbath laws. So apparently he does want us to make judgments. Otherwise, he would be contradicting himself, making him a sinner (which he isn’t).

Paul further clarifies what Jesus meant in Matthew 7:

Romans 2:1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? …

21Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

It is clear in other scriptures that God expects us to make judgments, but they must be made with love:

Philippians 1:9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;

10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

So when I as a Christian point out sin that is going on around me, it’s not because I’m better than anyone, it’s because I love God and I desire to see his will done in the lives of others as his will is done in heaven. In the process of judging, I must also examine myself.

Here are some more popular quotes by those who don’t want to confront sin or be confronted:

“He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone.”

“Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm!” (If the person is a pastor or preacher)

“All of us have sinned and fall short of God’s glory”

–posted by Harry A. Gaylord–

This thread is quite pointless. Yes, the Qur'an does say that unbelievers will be punished with hell, as does Hinduism/Buddhism/Christianity/etc.

As SAM said, if you truly don't believe Islam is the "correct" religion, then you shouldn't worry about these verses. After all, if you truly believe that Islam is false, these verses need not worry you.


Really? when everything I see and read seems to show that many Moslems on earth believe that they have a right to punish all who they believe are unbelievers, and kill in the name of their religion, The True Believers of the New Testament understand and follow the teachings of our Prophets, and the True Prophet and Son of God, Jesus Christ, and his teachings that salvation is through Grace, and freely given and freely received, and that the proof of Faith and Judgment of that Faith in God, is up to God at the final judgment, not up to fallible humans with their own sinful nature driving the judgment.

Really? when everything I see and read seems to show that many Moslems on earth believe that they have a right to punish all who they believe are unbelievers, and kill in the name of their religion, The True Believers of the New Testament understand and follow the teachings of our Prophets, and the True Prophet and Son of God, Jesus Christ, and his teachings that salvation is through Grace, and freely given and freely received, and that the proof of Faith and Judgment of that Faith in God, is up to God at the final judgment, not up to fallible humans with their own sinful nature driving the judgment.

That is so funny. I'm sure Jesus would be rolling in the aisles.

I simply find the notion of one entity condemning another for not worshiping it very primitive. Almost a childlike mentality. LIke a teenage boy who wants the other boys to respect him - Chimp or Ape like really. A cross spoilt little prat throwing a hissyfit and threatening anyone who doesn't love It.

Pathetic

It is pathetic.People arguing over the dogma while they disregard or pay very little attention to the core spiritual message these religions contain.


The God is a reflection of the culture and this one seems to fit perfect within it's origin.

Michael II

Exactly! I am surprised so many adults cannot realize this.Never ceases to amaze me!!

My Dear Willy,

i have read this thread you have started and carried on posting throughout with great patience, however i am really worried about how you interpret religious scriptures. BinLid, Mullah Omar and Co would be so proud of you!!! You interpret it just like them, perhaps you should go and teach the Quran in a Whabbist Madrasa somewhere in a the KSa or Pakistan

~~~~~~~~~
take it ez
zak

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/pope.insults.islam/scott.stantis.violence.wrong.jpg

The Quran doesn't teach Muslims to go to war with people simply because they are not Muslims.

The verses you are stating deal with God's judgment on the Last Day.

5.8 O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and he careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do.

60.8 Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

The Quran doesn't teach Muslims to go to war with people simply because they are not Muslims.

You might want to tell these guys that:

http://samueljscott.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/hamas2.jpg

So you are going to completely ignore my post?

Just as I expected.

Besides, if they are unbelievers, why do they care?

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So you are going to completely ignore my post?

Just as I expected.Why not?

You have been ignoring this:

Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 18:28-30
For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

Koran 43:74
..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.

Willy, what's your religion?

I'd like Muslims more if they had telekinetic powers capable of making Willy STFU and DIAF.

Whatever religion he is, we can be sure that Willy is a dirty, country-music listening infidel

I'd like Muslims more if they listened to Hank WIlliams III.

I'd like Muslims more if they had telekinetic powers capable of making Willy STFU and DIAF.

Wee Willy Wonka ? He's the comic relief.

Screw that guy and his chocolate fac-to-ry!

There are other ways to get a brown nose than chocolate

Wow, they really ARE the music-makers.

Since this is just a thread with the sole purpose of announcing "my cult is better than your cult" and "my superstitious mythology trumps yours" it is closed. Get a life people.