When I browse the message boards and see things like this:
Should we be Veg? (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=8938) and this Another Veg (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18589) , I seriously cry for the world. How can anybody expect anything good to come from this Earth if all we do anymore is go around killing? Do people even care about whats going to happen to us? Does anybody think of the world we're leaving behind for future generations?
No, I am not going to shove vegetarianism down your throats. This has been done, and has apparently failed.. in some ways. Yes, more people are turning over a new leaf and making the switch every day, but on the same turn the psuedo-omnivores are getting more hostile.
"my biggest problem as a vegetarian has not been the food--which I've found to be delicious and every bit as satisfying as meat--but the bewildering attitudes of my family and friends.
Why make any life on earth suffer if it can be avoided. The argument of "it tastes good" is no longer revelant. When there are tasty alternatives, why make others suffer? My motto is "Respect life- all of it." Once again, I cry for the world.

Einstein was very intelligent. Einstein was a vegetarian. Put it together.

Yes, that's true. They get so hostile because they feel vegetarians are threatening them by not eating the same as they do.
They see that as an attack on their own morality, get a bit struck by guilt, and attack back to cover up the feeling of guilt.

"My motto is "Respect life- all of it." "

Good. Glad you can notice that this is just your philosophy and that not nearly everyone holds it.


"Einstein was very intelligent. Einstein was a vegetarian. Put it together."

I take you know absolutely nothing about debate.

So, by your rationale, we should kill Jews because Hitler, who was obviously intelligent, did it.

Why don't you tell animals to stop killing each other? If killing is done in nature, why is it so different when we want to do it? Because we don't need meat?

Humans do a lot of things that we don't need to do.

*EDIT*

BTW, welcome to Sciforums :D.

Originally posted by Nebula

Humans do a lot of things that we don't need to do.


We aliens of course know better..

For the most, I'd agree. But that anal probe last night felt a tad bit unecessary! :eek:

Yes, that anal probing must go...I will take it up on the next meeting.

Thank you!

I'm sick of role-playing with you damned sex-crazed alien freaks. Last night we played "Alien Invasion." They certainly did come, but it wasn't at all peaceful :D.

Originally posted by Nebula
So, by your rationale, we should kill Jews because Hitler, who was obviously intelligent, did it.

Why don't you tell animals to stop killing each other? If killing is done in nature, why is it so different when we want to do it? Because we don't need meat?

Humans do a lot of things that we don't need to do.

*EDIT*

BTW, welcome to Sciforums :D.


Well Nebula does make a good argument. We shouldn't kill animals for fur coats, that's just self righteous indulgence but killing them for meat kinda fits in the order of nature. You're obiously considering Humans as some ascended species, above animals that killing them would be beyond us. We are and furthermore shall continue to be animals, just reall advanced ones compared to another animals.

Yes, that anal probing must go...I will take it up on the next meeting







hey hey come on now anal probing is neccessary and vital for aliens to know about us.... :D

What, pray tell, do they need to know that can only be resolved by shoving a cold metal prod directly up our...:o ...

I'd first like to clarify that I'm not offended by your 'logic'. All that I want is for you to explain why I should adapt to your lifestyle?

I like meat, and will continue to eat it because it's enjoyable. Meat also adds to my health in ways more accesible than soy--whether we're talking about beef, poultry or what have you. I also believe that killing animals is okay if done humanely. What's the problem there? I seriously cry when people criticize something ethical, ON ethical grounds.

Does it matter to me that there are substitues? No. Do I care if Einstein was a vegetarian? No. Can the Earth survive if we continue to harvest animals? --Why not! Sustainable industries are--sustainable:eek:

I promise you that I will not try to pressure vegetarians into eating meat. If they feel any pressure, it's probably out of their watching me, and I'm not about to lay off the goods for anyone.

Guiltless Grill? (http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html)

Again, pointing to Maddox, who has all the answers to all the questions.

I see what you mean "weallneedtocare" , people don't seem to think about the future.
But becoming a vegatarian really does nothing to help the planet earth, at all.
Food is actually a fairly valid reason to kill animals and would only make up a tiny percantage on the pi-chart of "why/how people kill animals".
Its because we kill them for reasons outside of food that is the problem. Primarily we kill them by taking away their land. We really do need to figure out how to stop doing this, the best idea I have seen is having farms in tall skyscrapers. Tall skyscapers seem like they could be the answer for the future in every way.
Also there should be no such thing as a commercial fishing industry, this is obvious, any fish we want to eat should also be farmed. The oceanic eco-sytem simply cannot survive our pillaging and as soon as one species is taken out we'll see a serious domino affect that will probably end with us.
We are stealing food off something for every single fish/prawn/whatever we take out of the ocean because it was never meant for us. Imagine if all the grocery stores slowly started getting emptier and emptier and eventually nothing was in them and you had to travel far to find another grocery store only to find out that grocery store was also running low and so on.
This is what is happening in the ocean and we(humans) are sitting up here chuckling over dinner with friends and eating a sharks groceries while not even thinking about it. We seriously ARE jerks.
I don't know how much evidence the powers that be need before they realise the human lifestyle needs a serious makeover. How long can we continue like this? Probably about 50 years, seriously. And by then most things will be in danger of extinction. More than you think are on the inevitable path right now, but no one cares for some reason, it spins me out everyday how ignorant people can be.

Why is the war in iraq such a tragedy? Compared to what we are all doing everyday? It isn't! Its a trivial little bit of nothing, but we can see those children crying so our(self-proclaimed) massive hearts are like "oh this is horrible, we simply must protest blah blah blah" mean while a pack of dolphins goes hungry again after simply not being able to find any food anywhere, and no organistaion is sending them grain or five dollars a day.

Frankly ,as far as the future of the world and its inhabitants goes, a war is a blessing, like rain on a drought strickened savanah. More people need to die and fast or this planet is fucked and everything in it(including people) will be gone.
It makes me so mad when I see greenpeace protesting war straight after claiming they want to save endangered species. It can't happen, there is no possible way for people to keep living and multiplying peacefully without destroying the planet.
God I seriously hope something drastically decreases the human population and very soon, a world war is the best I can hope for at this stage but aids gaining the ability to become airborn would also be beneficial. Something.

Keep crying. The world moves on with or without you.
:rolleyes:

Meat good. Veggies okay. Rice da bomb.

It all about the food chain. Somebody's got to be on top and we happen to be there. It the laws of nature - survival of the fittest. Besides, we have more urgent matters to take care of. Ozone layer, Nuclear missles, overpopulation, etc., etc.

Originally posted by Nebula
What, pray tell, do they need to know that can only be resolved by shoving a cold metal prod directly up our...:o ... How else would they find out that 1 in 3 actually enjoy it?

i guess the food chain thing makes sense if you're living in the wild and hunt your own food. but most people go down to the local supermarket to hunt down some chicken cutlets. i know how to nourish myself properly without killing things. if you don't want to learn, fine. if we're all on a plane together and it goes down on a snowy mountain, i'm going to be the first to bite into your leg. mmm drumsticks. humans are just meat, not superior to any other animal.

Hey. Just because I eat meat doesn't mean I don't know how to live without it. You veggie heads are mean.

tsk tsk...murdering is murdering

rip a plant out of the soil...destroying his roots...tearing up his leaves chopping it to bits...when it is alive!!!....boiling it...when it is alive...

it is all destruction and mayhem...

the same for eating animals....

all murder and torture and manipulation of nature...


let's not pretend that vegetarians are less cruel or malicious than meateaters...we are all in the same boat.

anyhoo...we just murder to satisfy the bacteria in out guts...they are too blame really...not us...

i know how to nourish myself properly without killing things. if you don't want to learn, fine.

Actually, I survived a few months being totally vegetarian (although for health reasons, not moral ones). Decided that was silly, I eat some chicken and fish now (although I'm not too fond of red meat...ucky).

Yes, I agree I shouldn't have put that einstein statement in there, as it was arrogant (something I try to avoid). I have tons of comments so please bear with me.

Nebula, whoever that guy was on that "Guiltless Grill" link was totally full of himself. He is a self-proclaimed omniscient god. Don't even mention that lowlife again.

Whoever said put livestock in skyscrapers is simply inhumane. They are already cramped into the tightest horizontal space possible, not to mention stacked on top of one another in column after column, and then you want to cram them into an even tighter space?

Another thing that floored me is that this phrase was mentioned: "...killing animals humanely is ok". That is the farthest thing from the truth these days.

The truth of animal slaughter is not at all pleasant. Commercial slaughterhouses are like visions of hell. Screaming animals are stunned by hammer blows, electric shock, or concussion guns. They are hoisted into the air by their feet and moved through the factories of death on mechanized conveyor systems. Still alive, their throats are sliced and their flesh is cut off while they bleed to death.

"It the laws of nature - survival of the fittest." Charles Darwin said that, and in its original context he never meant for it to apply to humans. Only later was that labeled for humans.

Meat feeds few at the expense of many. For the sake of producing meat, grain that could feed people feeds livestock instead. According to information compiled by the United States Department of Agriculture, over ninety percent of all the grain produced in America goes to feed livestock _ cows, pigs, sheep, and chickens _ that wind up on dinner tables. Yet the process of using grain to produce meat is incredibly wasteful. Figures from the U.S. Department of Agriculture show that for every sixteen pounds of grain fed to cattle, we get back only one pound of meat.
Taken from an article on health and nutrition.
In Diet for a Small Planet, Frances Moore Lappé asks us to imagine ourselves sitting down to an eight-ounce steak. "Then imagine the room filled with 45 to 50 people with empty bowls in front of them. For the 'feed cost' of your steak, each of their bowls could be filled with a full cup of cooked cereal grains."
Facts such as these have led food experts to point out that the world hunger problem is artificial. Even now, we are already producing more than enough food for everyone on the planet _ but we are allocating it wastefully. Harvard nutritionist Jean Mayer estimates that bringing down meat production by only ten percent would release enough grain to feed sixty million people.
That pretty much sums it up. Whoever thinks that eating meat isn't harming the world at all apparently needs to do a bit of research before blurting out about how its not hurting anybody.
Keep crying. The world moves on with or without you.
Thank you immane1. You have just served as the prime example of half of my argument: the apathetic attitude of humans. When was the last time you hugged someone just because you were happy to be alive? I cannot stand the "nobody cares life sux then you die" attitude. Are the ones who care a dying breed?
Earlymen were hunters. They killed and lived with its consequences in an animalistic way of life. But we have evolved intellectually and morally. We have choices now. Why choose to revert to an animal status and face its consequences when we can gracefully avoid it?

Nebula, whoever that guy was on that "Guiltless Grill" link was totally full of himself. He is a self-proclaimed omniscient god. Don't even mention that lowlife again.

Are you saying his argument was totally useless? Nevermind how you personally feel about the man, take the point he's making.


Facts such as these have led food experts to point out that the world hunger problem is artificial. ...bringing down meat production by only ten percent would release enough grain to feed sixty million people.

The world hunger problem IS artificial. We produce more than enough food to feed the entire world's population. However, the reason people are still going hungry is that there are distribution problems-- sadly, it isn't economically feasible for first world countries, the countries where food is abundant, to be generous.

People aren't going hungry because the animals are eating all our food.

"It the laws of nature - survival of the fittest." Charles Darwin said that, and in its original context he never meant for it to apply to humans. Only later was that labeled for humans.

Nature~wise, it is perfectly okay to kill any animal or any plant that we so desire. We are the superior species on this planet, at least for the most part (I'd rather not debate this point) and as such that grants us the power to let live or let die anything that we deem. Does a t-rex care if its prey is suffering? No. T-rex was the king, T-rex didn't give a damn about its fellow animals unless they could hurt him. I don't know why this law doesn't apply to humans. If we kill ourselves along the way then so be it.

When was the last time you hugged someone just because you were happy to be alive?

I sacrificed someone to the WAR GOD Mars in a pit of fire and oil, and smiled in the faint light under all the screams, thinking "yes, I am happy to be alive."

Are the ones who care a dying breed?

He was one of them. I caught him while he was stoned in a net. He didn't seem to mind until I set him on fire (in fact I think he may even have been enjoying it!). So, yeah I guess I'll be hunting you guys down and decreasing the population in my own little way. Hehe, better watch out!;)

But we have evolved intellectually and morally.

I speak on the behalf of everyone on planet Earth when I disagree with you.

Why choose to revert to an animal status and face its consequences when we can gracefully avoid it?

Here's the thing. I have this little fetish when it comes to eating meat. I like to imagine that I'm actually devouring the creature while it's still alive, whether it be a cow or a pig or Laurence Smith of Apartment #356. I like to imagine that they're screaming and their eyes are wide with terror and pain. Hell, sometimes I don't even have to imagine! The best part is when you say: "screw it" and toss away the knife and fork, and just go in head first.

It doesn't look like I'll be giving up meat for awhile.

T-rex was a scavenger...


I disagree that we should seperate ourselves from the animals and stop eating meat, my point was that we are seperating ourselves from the animals by the way we do it. Our menues are too diverse or not quite diverse enough depending on how you look at it. All this technology has given us the ability to steal food off other creatures and the eco-system wasn't ready to compensate for that.
We can only afford to eat cows, sheep, chickens and pigs(unfortunately). We can only eat seafood if we farm it ourselves because we were never supposed to meddle with the ocean.
Also all farming should be done in tall skyscrapers to minimize on landclearing.
Also if an animal is lucky enough to capture and kill one of us we should let it finish its meal and leave it alone instead of hunting it down like a maniac.
These are the problems I have with the world today, its not that we can't eat meat because we can its just that we need to do it sensibly.

Originally posted by Bebelina
Yes, that's true. They get so hostile because they feel vegetarians are threatening them by not eating the same as they do.
They see that as an attack on their own morality, get a bit struck by guilt, and attack back to cover up the feeling of guilt.


No, Bebelina, that is not true. I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt for eating meat, and you'll probably find that the reason we snap at people like you is because of stupid supercillious remarks like this one, not because I had a steak for dinner last night. Twit.

Weallneedtocare,

You make it sound like standard procedure to kill animals that way. It's simply not true everywhere . There are laws as to how animals in slaughterhouses need to be treated. Nevertheless, I don't eat meat from those kinds of places. THe meat I eat is Kosher, meaning the animals are treated very humanely and don't suffer while being killed. They die without pain. -And are even given something of a funeral after "murder".


Which slaughterhouse were you alluding to? What country is it in? Do they really chop the animals while conscious? Is this done in all slaughterhouses? These could all be vital facts. And leaving them (in an attempt to sway your point, maybe) is wrong. We need the facts. I'm not against vegetarianism, and I'm all for animal rights, but let's not get carried away here.

I speak on the behalf of everyone on planet Earth when I disagree with you.
How naive can you get? How arrogant can you get?
I like to imagine that I'm actually devouring the creature while it's still alive
Then do it. Go kill a cow and eat it, blood in your face and smeared all over your body. Suck the juice out of its intestines, munch on the still-warm cartilage, and totally lose yourself in the true way of a carnivore. I seriously doubt you could handle it. Only then will you have regressed into a barbaric state and truly become a true carnivore.

Weallneedtocare;
Animals are not shoved into spaces that small. If they were, they would not be fit for human consumption. Just in case you did, if you got that info from a group like PETA, they're crap. Sorry, but even other similar groups say their material is mostly made up and their claims unfounded.

Then do it. Go kill a cow and eat it, blood in your face and smeared all over your body. Suck the juice out of its intestines, munch on the still-warm cartilage, and totally lose yourself in the true way of a carnivore. I seriously doubt you could handle it. Only then will you have regressed into a barbaric state and truly become a true carnivore.

Hahaha! That's all I can say. Why do you care so much if somebody envisions eating an animal alive? Is the amount of your argument the fact that eating meat disgusts you? Eating some steak disgusts me, mainly because I don't like it. Same with these disgusting little chicken balls (not the testicular kind ;) ) that my mom cooked as a side dish.

It's customary to torture animals overseas during a wedding. Why don't you do something about that?

How naive can you get? How arrogant can you get?

Hey, don't ask me. Ask everyone--

Everyone on planet Earth: we disagree with you! Raaa!


Then do it. Go kill a cow and eat it, blood in your face and smeared all over your body. Suck the juice out of its intestines, munch on the still-warm cartilage, and totally lose yourself in the true way of a carnivore. I seriously doubt you could handle it. Only then will you have regressed into a barbaric state and truly become a true carnivore.

mmmm, reminds me of my childhood. I lived on a farm and once a year I would go out to the barn while my parents were away on business or something, find my favorite cow (who I had gotten to know over the past year) and then eat in just the way that you described. One time I almost got caught! I told my parents that I had fallen and hurt my jaw, that was why there was a ton of blood on my face. When they found the cow, I just said that I had seen some black helicopters and that these funky aliens had exited from it and taken the important organs from the cows. Somehow my parents never put two and two together.

T-rex was a scavenger...

No way man! T-rex could run in short bursts! That's all he needed to take down the sicklings or the weaklings!

PETA is too extreme. Don't use them as a basis. Use a better org like IFAW. No Elbaz my argument is not just because meat sickens me. I'm trying to bring facts to peoples attention and debate them. I am not a vegetarian missionary trying to convert everyone. If I give people the facts and then they make their own decision, then great. If not, I hope that they at least took the time to read over some stuff and learn a bit.

Originally posted by Pollux V
No way man! T-rex could run in short bursts! That's all he needed to take down the sicklings or the weaklings!
Seriously, there is so much evidence suggesting t-rex was a scavenger that its not just a crazy theory any more. His brain case was almost identical to that of a vulture. His vision was poor and his sense of smell was phenomenal. The only reason he would evolve weedy arms like he had would be if he had no reason to use them. He wouldn't have sprinted because if he tripped over he wouldn't have been able to get up so he followed his nose and walked at a steady pace.
Granted he would be able to scare anything off a carcass but he himself didn't hunt.
Sorry.

Then your motives are noble. But I still disagree with you.

I can tell from your writing that eating meat does sicken you. Or you're at least disgusted by the fact that it once jiggled around on a live, brain toting grass eater.

Vegetarianism/Veganism = Simpering

Weallneedtocare;

It's been noted that you've ignored my post :D.

Hey, is it wrong to eat something that eats meat? Because then, aren't you saving more lives by eating the meat eater? Am I right? Am I right? Huh?

Seriously, there is so much evidence suggesting t-rex was a scavenger that its not just a crazy theory any more. His brain case was almost identical to that of a vulture. His vision was poor and his sense of smell was phenomenal. The only reason he would evolve weedy arms like he had would be if he had no reason to use them. He wouldn't have sprinted because if he tripped over he wouldn't have been able to get up so he followed his nose and walked at a steady pace.
Granted he would be able to scare anything off a carcass but he himself didn't hunt.
Sorry.

Oh, well I'm sorry too. Scavengers, the ones that I'm aware of, tend to not be as large as t-rex was. In fact, I think that they're a hellofa lot smaller. So, why did t-rex get so big? Because it needed to take down the really big dinosaurs that lived along with it. Hardly any other animal could do such a thing unless they were in teams (like the ultra mega cool utahraptor), and at great risk even then. Rex could bring anything it wanted to the ground, its prey was probably too big to run away in the first place.

Originally posted by Pollux V
Oh, well I'm sorry too. Scavengers, the ones that I'm aware of, tend to not be as large as t-rex was. In fact, I think that they're a hellofa lot smaller. So, why did t-rex get so big?
Predators tend to not be as large as t-rex. Dinosaurs were big. I'm disapointed at your counter argument so far.
Because it needed to take down the really big dinosaurs that lived along with it. Hardly any other animal could do such a thing unless they were in teams (like the ultra mega cool utahraptor), and at great risk even then.
And? What takes down elephants? Some animals don't have predators. But with that many huge rotting carcasses lieing around there needed to be a scavenger with an enormous appetite.
Rex could bring anything it wanted to the ground, its prey was probably too big to run away in the first place.
Rex wouldn't go for anything that could put up any struggle, he was constantly at risk of falling over which would do him serious damage. His skull was extremely huge and heavy, his arms couldn't break his fall, if he fell his jaw would hit the ground with so much force that he would be dead or mortally wounded.
Thankfully he wouldn't have fallen over much because he would have been casually walking around in search of corpses all the time.

Simpering- (n.) A silly, self-conscious, often coy smile.
YouKilledJ - your "insult" makes no sense at all. As far as I know there is no stereotype concerning vegetarians always walking around with a coy smile.

Nebula- No I didn't ignore your post.
People aren't going hungry because the animals are eating all our food.
Not necessarily true. At least thats the conclusion I made based on the facts I was given.

One final statement I'm going to make is that I'm appauled at the kind of response I got for asking a question and providing a few facts and my opinion. I often wonder what age groups occupy this board? Sounds like arrogant teenagers to me, of course I could be wrong.

The way I see it, as a whole this community is very resistant to new ideas and change. Not only are they shunned, but they are quickly shot down and ridicule is placed on whoever wrote it.

It was once thought of as completely normal to own a slave and treat them like crap. Look where we are now. Once it was thought that women had no rights. Things have a tendency to change for the better over time.

Ya know, lettuce grows, it's alive. Why don't you break into the local cafeteria and free the salad?

I often wonder what age groups occupy this board? Sounds like arrogant teenagers to me, of course I could be wrong.

I've gotta say that I am even more appauled than you to hear this comment indirectly directed at me! To think, me, a teenager...my god what is the world coming to...

The way I see it, as a whole this community is very resistant to new ideas and change. Not only are they shunned, but they are quickly shot down and ridicule is placed on whoever wrote it.


Well it depends on who writes what. When someone criticizes me for not hugging everyone I see just because of how happy I am to be alive I start to doubt their argument(s). Call me crazy.

Once it was thought that women had no rights. Things have a tendency to change for the better over time.

Debatable. Men are evil, women are bad:)

Oh, and Dr. Lou, sorry, I don't know too much about t-rex. You see, I grew up in a grassroots household, the type that encouraged the throwing-of-rocks at black people, the beating-up-of gay people, the idea that t-rex was a carnivore, and the undying support for the republican party.

(heheh not really);)

Alright, what about Allasaurus (possibly spelt incorrectly)? A-saurus was pretty big, although not the size of the t-rex. Was he a scavenger too? Where do you draw the line? Also, I think that your argument on rex falling over is incorrect, in that he would have had really tough bones because of his size. I think he was fairly succesful, he was around until the dinos were wiped out, so I guess that's the best that his species could have asked for. I simply cannot believe that a scavenger could get that big. That's my main problem with that argument, there's just no reason. Scavengers are small. Some carnivores are too, but some are not.

I'm a tree hugger and plants do way more for you than any damn rabbit does. (oxygen for instance) Stop eating plants.

What makes you think eating meat in inhumane?

Because animals have feelings...well...so do plants. At least animals have been know to kill humans but what about grass?(even the kind you smoke isn't fatal!)

I really really really want you to reply to this.

Let me just say that I don't think that vegetarianism is bad, it's just that I love meat too much to give it up, even if an animal has suffered in order for me to enjoy myself. I would lose my sanity without meat.

I eat meat too, but I don't think humans are "superior" in the way some of you do. I don't think making jokes about hurting animals and that shit is ok at all. Its like racism except animals can't whine about being kicked around.
Actually its more like rich people and poor people, intelligence is like money, the more you have the less you struggle and the more comfortable your life is. Animals are out there suffering and struggling 24/7 for their whole lives and to think a fat bastard with a cushy life can go out and cause more troubles to one just because hes bored makes me sick. They have enough to deal with, they deserve respect.

All to often I see people crying about starving children in africa or the innocent civilians in iraq and they'll turn around and say animals don't matter or make jokes about them in pain. They're total hypocrites, animals are going through similiar or far worse trials every single day. They just can't make a sad face you can relate to because they don't have enough muscles in front of their skull.

I don't hate vegetarians, why the hell would you? And I don't hate people who eat meat but I DO hate people who eat meat and think it somehow makes them good or special or superior to anything else.

Every time something bad happens to you remember that somewhere an animal is going through far worse everyday so give them some respect.

Weallneedtocare;

Sorry, but your idea is not new-- that's not why it's being shot down. The reason it's being shot down is because you have arrogantly stated your opinion and discredited those who do not agree with you.

If you think opposing someone who tells you that you need to live their life according to their ideals is something an angry teenager would do, I think it's YOU that needs to grow up, my friend.

BTW, I'm "appauled" at the spelling on this board lately ;).

Sorry for the misunderstanding, by angry teenagers I was directing it only at certian people, such as 'maddox' who had to revert to swearing to get his point across.

NO! Nebula, tell me once where I said "I'm right you're wrong. You suck I rule. I'm smart you're dumb. You're going to hell for not believing what I believe. You can't have any other ideas than mine. My ideas are the best. Arguments don't mean anything, because I'm right even if I'm proved wrong."
As far as I know, I did not say or intend or imply that. My original post just asked a question. Maybe the way I presented my info was wrong. Maybe my occasional brain spasms made me type in the wrong things. I can count at least three statements I regret I typed. I apologize if I offended anybody, as this was not meant to be a flame-fest.

lol Nebula at my spelling of appalled.

My (probably) last comment on this message board:

Plants don't have eyes or noses or ears
Or daily concerns, worries or fears
Take a look through a cow's eyes
and see all the pain
The screaming inside that drives them insane
And remember the plants
who don't have a brain

Hey peeps. We should all respect each others opinion. This a discussion not a wrestling ring.

Now that that's taken care of, I'd just like to say that YES the T-Rex ate meat. It killed for it. No point in denying that. As for humans, how come we can't eat it. True we are more evolved than the organisms living here, but, no matter how many times we deny it, we still animals. True you can live off plants, but some of us need the good taste of meat. We restore blood through beef. Yum. Beeeeef. Ghghghghghghgh.

Originally posted by Commandore Zippy
Now that that's taken care of, I'd just like to say that YES the T-Rex ate meat. It killed for it. No point in denying that.
Good point:rolleyes:
This is why the myth still exists, because people are in love with the idea of t-rex hunting down his prey, but the fact is he didn't, if you are a true scientist you won't let your pre-concieved emotions get in the way. Look at the facts, they're all there, the t-rex's brain case was EXACTLY the same shape as a vulture, that is enough right there, a true predators brain would need more to it(ie the raptors brain) that is all the proof you need, and still there's a hell of alot more proof all indicating he was a scavenger, absolutely none suggests he was a predator.
Its ridiculous to assume t-rex was predator just because you hoped he was. He clearly wasn't, he was a scavenger, get over it.

You should become an ecoterrorist, and mass murder these evil doers in the name of mother earth.
GO PLANET!!!!

Originally posted by cool skill
You should become an ecoterrorist, and mass murder these evil doers in the name of mother earth.
GO PLANET!!!!
Whats so crazy about that?
Are you saying individual humans are more important than the planet earth?
Believe me if I had the power I would do exactly that, I would create biological weapons that only harm human beings, I would then start a "shock and awe" strategy on all the pro-human humans that hadn't joined my forces, then I would send in ground troups with "animalitarian" aid to help the helpless pets of the deceased.
Why not?

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague...

-Agent Smith

You humans? What are you some different species?

I wish I was
Unfortunately I have to share the shame:(
Actually I have to shoulder more than my fair share of the shame because alot of humans aren't even ashamed:mad: Some are even "proud" :confused: What a joke...

There's nothing wrong with being human. Everyone of us has our own personalities and morals. We're not the same. Quit being so stereotypical man and smell the fresh air. Some of us are better than others.