Yep. It's not 3:00 am. I have been laying in bed since 1 am. This happens every fucking night.. since sometime in 2003. 2 hours and nothing.

I'm not asking for help, I am just bitching. School starts tommorrow... 11 am is my first class. But, I want to be on campus by 9:00 am so I can buy my books.

Oh well.

Good night.. I think. :bugeye:

yeh im pretty sure i suffer from mild insomnia... does insomnia include going to bed really late cose i cant sleep, and then having shit sleep so sleeping into like 2pm waking every 15 mins or so... thats me, give me a gun

If your mind is overactive then you won't sleep to well. The entire understanding is that sleep requires you to relax, so if you have an agenda the next day that worries you or your are excited over the likelihood is that you'll be producing adrenaline that will keep you awake.

Other occurances of things that can keep you awake is if a person smokes cannabis (pot), it's known that smoking it increases dopamine which is naturally used as a neural transmitter.

To put it forwards in a way for people to understand, imagine that couriers have a set number of vehicles to travel the roads of an innercity, when someone smokes pot they increase the number of couriers making the road system over trafficked. This can lead to insomnia states and occasionally the potheads think they have some illusive theory that conquers all, which when they straighten up will just turn out to be a bunch of false positives.

If you want to increase your chances for rested sleep, stay away from caffinated products (coffee, coke etc), don't eat a meal too soon before going to bed, read a book, do some exercise.

i cant sleep because i have recurring nightmares...terrifying, really.

been that way since i was five or so.

and before anyone says it...NO, it has nothing to do with childhood trauma.

Yep. It's not 3:00 am. I have been laying in bed since 1 am. This happens every fucking night.. since sometime in 2003. 2 hours and nothing.

I'm not asking for help, I am just bitching. School starts tommorrow... 11 am is my first class. But, I want to be on campus by 9:00 am so I can buy my books.

Oh well.

Good night.. I think. :bugeye:

You are haunted because deep down you are still an evil communist. And the assumed lifestyle of capitalist disagrees with your deeper nature.

PURGE those feelings right now. I order you! If you are not with us you are against us. And we do not tolerate the axis of evil in our midsts. We don't want to turn our backs when we go to work and do our freedom lovin' duty and see our daughters raped when we get home (after working over time).

Stop growing that beard and purge the vile evil.

And sleep like a baby on valium.

The only solution is to become an alcoholic or divide the day into two naps.

I actually have the problem that I fall asleep immediately when going to bed.

I actually have the problem that I fall asleep immediately when going to bed.
i sleep about 4 hours a night....5 if i am lucky.

i got about 6 hours last night(managed to schedule 8 in there barely, but kept getting woken up) i had a really wierd dream last night too; my brother had some sort of virus, which everyone around town was catching, and my parents were for some reason wrapping ther bodies up in sheets and putting them in a bath of ice in my bathtub, then wanting me to drag their bodies back and bury them in the back yard before the police truned up... WTF?!

I'll tell you what helps me on these occasions: :m:

If you're having trouble falling asleep, it could be that your circadian rhythm is out of synch. For reasons no one understands, our metabolism is tuned to something like a 25 hour day. We need to get at least half an hour of solar spectrum light every day, during the "daytime," in order to reset it. Not everyone is as vulnerable because our bodies are truly remarkable and adaptable machines, but many people who spend most of their lives indoors have a circadian rhythm problem. If you can't go outside in the daylight for at least 30 minutes, buy a solar spectrum lamp.

You could also be a person who simply has trouble "shutting down" at bedtime. Your head is so full of ideas, problems, memories, and anticipations that you just can't stop thinking. There are thousands of audiotapes available to help you make the transition from wakefulness to sleepiness, borrowing techniques from yogis, hypnotists, musicians, storytellers, and the producers of really boring TV shows. I promise that you won't have to try more than five of them to find the one that works for you.

You could also have a biochemical problem, as others have mentioned. Notwithstanding the erudite explanation of how pot works, it puts millions of people to sleep. Often because it gives them "the munchies" and they eat a lot and then get drowsy from the effects of carbohydrates on their blood sugar. I carefully do most of my eating at night, especially desserts, and to hell with the diet gurus who preach just the opposite, because it helps me stay alert in the daytime and it helps me get sleepy at night. Not everyone's body works the way the textbooks say it should. Two ounces of cola keep me bouncing off the ceiling for a whole weekend, but I know people who drink a cup of coffee right before bed and find it a soothing way to end the day.

If you're having trouble staying asleep, then that's a somewhat different story. There's a subset of the above causes that could still be your problem. Not enough real or simulated sunlight. A meal schedule that isn't right for your particular body, regardless of what anyone else says about it. Ditto for drugs.

Too much on your mind is an obvious choice, though. Do you wake up with your brain in high gear, or with your emotions all wound up over something? You can start over and play the relaxation tape again, but unless they get at least four hours of sleep in one stretch, most people won't be healthy and happy in the long run. If real life intrudes on your sleep then you may have to start paying some serious attention to the particular things that are weighing on you and find some new way of dealing with them.

It could also be something as silly as a mattress or pillow that isn't right for you, a human or other species bedmate that crowds you (physically or emotionally), or lack thereof. I sleep really well when one of our dogs curls up in my "lap," even though it means my legs are in a somewhat awkward position and I can't move all night. Go figure. I really love the little guy.

If you just wake up early, well once again not everybody is the same. The human race is a bell curve on any attribute you can think of, including need for sleep. Some people don't feel rested until they've been out for nine hours, and some feel just great after four. Less than four... I would worry. That puts you in the earlier category of people who wake up during the night.

That said, I don't know how old you people are. In general younger people need more sleep for a variety of reasons. One is that your bodies work better than ours and do a great job of regenerating tissue and replenishing sources of hormones and other chemicals, so you need more time for preventive maintenance every night. I often sleep for only four hours. After a few days I need to catch up and I do so.

And of course worrying about sleeplessness creates a death spiral. You're so concerned with it that you can't get tranquil enough to fall asleep. If it takes you more than half an hour to fall asleep, then just get up and do something else. You might find that when you stop thinking about how awful it is that you can't sleep, you start to relax. I've fallen asleep playing computer games many times.

Try Brain Gym. That has worked for a few people I know including my mother and myself.

Brain Gym eh? Sounds spooky.

It's not some kind of indoctro-regime is it?

just go to bed watching c-fax, works for me

If you're having trouble falling asleep, it could be that your circadian rhythm is out of synch. For reasons no one understands, our metabolism is tuned to something like a 25 hour day. We need to get at least half an hour of solar spectrum light every day, during the "daytime," in order to reset it. Not everyone is as vulnerable because our bodies are truly remarkable and adaptable machines, but many people who spend most of their lives indoors have a circadian rhythm problem. If you can't go outside in the daylight for at least 30 minutes, buy a solar spectrum lamp.

I bet you anything that is my problem. Since I finished high school, I have become a very indoor person. After HS graduation is also when my sleeping thing got messed up. I don't actually feel like sleeping until 4-5 am. I had 3 hours of sleep last night... and sore everywhere (from workingout today) and I am very tired. I bet you anything once it hits 10 pm and it gets dark, I am wide awake (as always).

You could also be a person who simply has trouble "shutting down" at bedtime. Your head is so full of ideas, problems, memories, and anticipations that you just can't stop thinking. There are thousands of audiotapes available to help you make the transition from wakefulness to sleepiness, borrowing techniques from yogis, hypnotists, musicians, storytellers, and the producers of really boring TV shows. I promise that you won't have to try more than five of them to find the one that works for you.

I have actually found binaural beats (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats) helps me a lot, but it's so damn annoying I don't bother. But yes, my head is racing when I try to fall asleep. I'll keep getting up every 5 minutes because there is something else I want to research before I got to bed... the Internet seems to be my enemy when I want to sleep. All the random thoughts that come by I make connections and I am like "shit, got to research that before I lose interest."

You could also have a biochemical problem, as others have mentioned. Notwithstanding the erudite explanation of how pot works, it puts millions of people to sleep. Often because it gives them "the munchies" and they eat a lot and then get drowsy from the effects of carbohydrates on their blood sugar. I carefully do most of my eating at night, especially desserts, and to hell with the diet gurus who preach just the opposite, because it helps me stay alert in the daytime and it helps me get sleepy at night. Not everyone's body works the way the textbooks say it should. Two ounces of cola keep me bouncing off the ceiling for a whole weekend, but I know people who drink a cup of coffee right before bed and find it a soothing way to end the day.

I've only smoked pot 3 times in my life. Each time, yes.. I was VERY VERY tired. I could barely keep myself sitting up. My legs wanted to give out when I would walk. It was fun though, but I am not going to use pot as a sleeping aid. Sugar doesn't seem to make me sleepy. It's weird. I have no idea why. Sleeping pills don't. I think it's the CR you talked about.

If you're having trouble staying asleep, then that's a somewhat different story. There's a subset of the above causes that could still be your problem. Not enough real or simulated sunlight. A meal schedule that isn't right for your particular body, regardless of what anyone else says about it. Ditto for drugs.

No problems staying asleep.. but I know the quality of my sleep sucks. I wake up feeling like I lifted weights in the middle of my sleep. Eh?

Too much on your mind is an obvious choice, though. Do you wake up with your brain in high gear, or with your emotions all wound up over something?

No when I wake up I feel dead and tired. I don't want to talk, look at people, or think. But before I go to sleep it is the complete opposite.

Thank you for your reply :)

I actually have the problem that I fall asleep immediately when going to bed.

Yea I used to have that problem. Simply laying down on the couch for 5 minutes was enough to put me out for hours.

Bastard.

Absane you sound a bit like me, except I normally always sleep for a couple of hours after work between 6-9pm and stay up till about 2 or 3am before getting up for work at 7:30am. Although if I don't sleep in the evenings I am also wide awake come 11pm.

It is far from a fulfilling lifestyle... my only hope is winning the lottery so I can sleep when the fuck I like, in a fuck-off mansion.

One day I hope to sleep when the fuck I like, in a fuck-off mansion as well. Dream Dream Dream.

i get about 3 or 4 hours sleep a night right now, when schoo lstarts il lhopefulyl bem roe tired

When I have trouble getting sleepy, I simply browse through Sciforum, read and sometimes post her and there and it puts me too sleep. Then I'm all set to wake up in the morning roaring to wake up and go to work all bright eyed and bushy tailed.

I like sleeping in weird places, like a closed suitcase trunk or a closet. Stay awake as long as you can then sleep for a day or 2.

Take care y'all.

I bet you anything that is my problem. Since I finished high school, I have become a very indoor person. After HS graduation is also when my sleeping thing got messed up. I don't actually feel like sleeping until 4-5 am. I had 3 hours of sleep last night... and sore everywhere (from workingout today) and I am very tired. I bet you anything once it hits 10 pm and it gets dark, I am wide awake (as always).

A couple of thoughts:

1. After your HS graduation, did you change residences? Sometimes when we are unfamiliar with a place, we find it difficult to sleep.

2. What is the noise like at your residence?

3. Do you have a regular sleeping pattern? If you go to sleep regularly at 3am, it isn't a huge shock that your body will adopt a sleep cycle where you sleep from 3am to noon.

I'm willing to bet that you have a terrible sleep cycle. The only real answer to this is to readjust your sleep cycle, which is very difficult once a certain cycle is entrenched. Try always getting to bed half an hour earlier than your usual sleeping time. Then, as you adjust, set your sleeping time another half an hour earlier, until your reach 10 or 11 pm.

Brain Gym = A series of exercises designed to promote relaxtion, study skills, good health (and a bunch of other crap)
I learned it in an extensive 9 week workshop that the school system I was working for at the time adopted into their cirriculum. Its deals with the brain, oxygen, crossing the center piont, blah blah blah...
Here is the exercise for falling relaxing and falling asleep (sounds silly yes, but it may work)
First get into what is called hook-ups
sit on your bed with your legs crossed (Indian style)
Put your arms straight out in front of you with your thumbs pointing downwards (the backs of your hands will be facing each other)
cross your wrist over (thumbs still pointing down) NOW YOUR PALMS SHOULD BE FACING EACH OTHER.
Lock your fingers together
With your fingers locked together, bring your hands down and around and then up again until they are resting under your chin.
Congrates! this is the hook up position
Now close your eyes(you must keep your eyes close through the rest of the whole process)
Take three deep breaths (breathing in should take about 10 seconds and breathing out should take about 10 seconds)
Next slowly rock your body side to side for about one minute
Three more deep breaths the same as before
Slowly rock your body back and forward (1 minute)
Three deep breaths
Slowly rock your body in a circle motion (1 minute)
Three deep breaths
Slowly rock your body in a circle motion (opposite direction this time) (1 minute)
Three deep breaths
Repeat this two more times (3 revolutions total) and then lay down and go to sleep

I'm not sure if this is a sience proven act that actually does something to the brain or body to make it work or if you just get so tired out you fall asleep, but it worked for a few friends of mine and my mother. Give it a try, what have you got to lose but 10 minutes or so of your time. And if it don't work, chalk it up to some more bull-shit that you've heard here.
Sweet dreams, Pasquala

i get about 3 or 4 hours sleep a night right now, when schoo lstarts il lhopefulyl bem roe tired

I know you are 15, but could you do a better job at editing your posts before allowing us to read them?

I used to type like that and not correct my mistakes. I got flamed more about my typing ability than the actual content of my posts.

Originally Posted by riku_124
i get about 3 or 4 hours sleep a night right now, when schoo lstarts il lhopefulyl bem roe tired


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Try always getting to bed half an hour earlier than your usual sleeping time. Then, as you adjust, set your sleeping time another half an hour earlier, until your reach 10 or 11 pm.Unfortunately that is really difficult. As I said, we seem to be designed for 25-hour days so it's natural to go to bed an hour later each night. That's why most travelers find it easier to deal with jet lag after flying west than east.

Yep. It's not 3:00 am. I have been laying in bed since 1 am. This happens every fucking night.. since sometime in 2003. 2 hours and nothing.

I'm not asking for help, I am just bitching. School starts tommorrow... 11 am is my first class. But, I want to be on campus by 9:00 am so I can buy my books.

Oh well.

Good night.. I think. :bugeye:

You need a woman.

If you're having trouble falling asleep, it could be that your circadian rhythm is out of synch. For reasons no one understands, our metabolism is tuned to something like a 25 hour day. We need to get at least half an hour of solar spectrum light every day, during the "daytime," in order to reset it. Not everyone is as vulnerable because our bodies are truly remarkable and adaptable machines, but many people who spend most of their lives indoors have a circadian rhythm problem. If you can't go outside in the daylight for at least 30 minutes, buy a solar spectrum lamp.
Is there an ideal moment between sleep cycles to get solar spectrum light?

Due to the fact that I almost never leave home, I really need to reset my rhythm. My sleep cycle tends to advance when I have no daily activities regulating it (and even when I do :p). It's advanced so much now that I'm in sync with Europe; I felt too tired in the early afternoon yesterday and went to take a nap, only to wake up an hour before midnight. This would be awesome if I were flying there soon, but since I'm staying in the western US for a while yet... :mad:

Is there an ideal moment between sleep cycles to get solar spectrum light?All they say is to avoid getting it too late, during what should be "evening" on your schedule. Any time during the first eight or ten hours of your day should be fine.Due to the fact that I almost never leave home, I really need to reset my rhythm.Are you saying you never go out into the daylight? Or just that you don't have an externally imposed schedule like a commuting job? If you're home, just go outside for half an hour. Longer if you don't have much skin showing. If you're doing that and it's not working, then you have a different problem.My sleep cycle tends to advance when I have no daily activities regulating it (and even when I do). It's advanced so much now that I'm in sync with Europe; I felt too tired in the early afternoon yesterday and went to take a nap, only to wake up an hour before midnight. This would be awesome if I were flying there soon, but since I'm staying in the western US for a while yet.Well yes you do have a different problem. You might be a one-percenter who simply is not on the same cycle as the rest of us. I've never read anything on that problem. But I would think that resetting the circadian rhythm to conform to the sun is the same need regardless of the detail of whether you have to adjust it backward or forward.

Other than that I'm not in a position to advise you. You'll have to find someone more qualified. Sorry.