i have experienced 'we are all the same'
Myself (Ian) and Ben experienced it a few weeks ago, while on MDMA, then again last night Ian Carlos Mike and Sean all experienced it on MDMA, Sean however wasnt on MDMA but understood everything so i suspect he had been to this level before. Tom has also been to the exact same level or higher thought/being.
It is the single greatest experience as to date of my 17 year life, of which only the past half a year to a year has been taking drugs.
If you reply to this post i can explain to you how to experience this for yourself, but in learning, you must also teach to others.
WHY ISNT THE WHOLE WORLD LIKE THIS IN FEELING? grr we can only wish.

If there's anything more annoying than ravers, it's ravers who post in the wrong section of the board. :p

...i can explain to you how to experience this for yourself, but in learning, you must also teach to others. Surely the drug alone does it :D

of course man its the drug, but when you talk on mdma look straight into the eyes of the other to become them and everyone else around you,
being in that state and talking about that state are completely different things
it is angelic in feeling....

we are only the same as in we are all human and all have been given the gift of a free mind - other than that i believe we are all TOTALLY individual based on our genetics and upbringing. saying that, if we treated each other as if we were the same the world would be a much better place.

i.e. do not do anything that will in turn harm the world or another person and do not take anything from this world and claim it as your own (if you claim something as your own you are taking it away from another man)....

Originally posted by IantheFREESPIRIT
it is angelic in feeling....

unless you see the negative shit :confused:

thats the problem with MDMA it only gives you the good stuff (most of the time)

unless you see the negative shit I only get this the next day and a few bursts when coming up but from then on it's usually plain sailing :) .

whats the point of drugs??? all they do is screw up lives........trust me, mine got totally messed by them

dont be stupid

Originally posted by New Life
whats the point of drugs??? all they do is screw up lives........trust me, mine got totally messed by them

dont be stupid
Whether or not I agree with drugs, in this life, or a different one, I MUST argue with your reasoning behind this post....

Just because YOURS got screwed up doesn't mean others are the same as you. PERIOD. Whatever the topic, if it happened to you, doesn't mean it'll happen to someone else.

AND... I like the last three words: "don't be stupid"... well... you already admitted they screwed you up, so are you saying "do them, I am wrong and stupid"?... hmmm? (I like contradictions, don't you? :D )

I'm not sure if my last post made enough sense for the imbecilles in the crowd, so....

A person who admits to being messed up is telling us not to be stupid. Ok, would listening to you be stupid? :eek:

right on man, he cant say drugs are bad!!!

who else has felt free? in this sense

The only time I can look anyone in the eyes for more than 3 seconds is when i'm on mdma, for whatever thats worth.

I don't think clean ecstasy is the least bit dangerous and if taken in moderation is a glorious thing.
unless you see the negative shit
Sounds like you are thinking of lsd, which I can tell you can be downright horrible. You can experience unrivalled emotional pain while on that stuff , lsd is like taking a gamble, no matter how good the stuff is it all depends on how your body reacts on it at the time and it is never the same.
Mdma is different, if its pure its always good, really good.
Still, too much of anything will fuck you up but I see far less negative affects from mdma than I do from marijuana.
Weed fucks up most people eventually.
Ecstasy is relatively harmless when it comes to drugs and its so damn good, of course, you'll never hear about that stuff in the news or on oprah.

i understand what you are saying and have felt what you describe many times, both with and without chemicals.

What i don't understand, is how it is possible NOT to be One. I think the universe is able to allow us the experience of being separate [by slowing down or narrowing or splitting our perception of self], but i am connected to all of you now and forever[conservation of energy]. I only seem separate from this keyboard cause i filter out the space between it and consider it and me two discrete things, so my experience seems to indicate i am separate, but any actual observation and measurement shows my connectedness.

The problem seems to be a language/reality problem [which belongs in philosophy]. This "reality blindness" is what enables us to destroy the environment we live in, cause we don't allow ourselves to see the connections [yeah i know if we're all one there are no "connections", i'm talking from within the abstracted paradigm] between our existence and our surroundings. Is the carrot i just ate separate from me? When does it become part of me? When it enters my mouth, my gut, or when it is separated into elements? When is it no longer me? Or, to take it a step further back, when is the earth/water/sun a part of the carrot, which becomes a part of me? Is the sun me when i am created from stellar matter? Is the big bang me? Or are you saying i came from somewhere outside this? When did i begin to exist? When i was born? when did i separate from my mother? At birth, at conception, what about breastfeeding, cultural memes, etc etc etc.

Even the sci-nuts may point out that at the limits of our physical universe there may be "space" but yet we bridge that somehow, the evidence of which there seems to be dynamic motion in the universe..

sorry i'm not being more coherent, but it's late and i'm tired.

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic


Still, too much of anything will fuck you up but I see far less negative affects from mdma than I do from marijuana.
Weed fucks up most people eventually.
Ecstasy is relatively harmless when it comes to drugs and its so damn good, of course, you'll never hear about that stuff in the news or on oprah.

:bugeye: Weed is alot safer than mdma. long and short term effects of marijuana are signifacantly lower than almost all other drugs. Ex. one can easliy kill themselves with "pure" mdma if it is consumed with another party drug "alcohol". ( i bet that never happens:bugeye: ) This combination can be very lethal to certain people which is why some people collapse and die at raves. There are many cases of this happening to teens. On the other hand, how many documented cases of death by overdose or bad combination with marijuana?? NONE. Some one would have to smoke 900 joints in one sitting to O.D. on weed.:m: :m: :m: ;)

i am my own mind, i have my own thoughts, i am not part of your mind in anyway - and i dont believe our minds can become one and the same. if we can agree on the same things then we can feel at one with each other yes. and if i eat a carrot - yes my body takes what it wants from that to become part of me. but if i eat you (!), you will die and your phsyical will become part of me but i dont think your mind will. my mind is individual from you.

snowflake if you havnt experienced it for yourself ever you cannot have an opinion on it fact!

How can i not be a part of your mind if you are replying to the thoughts of my mind?

think of a purple cat.

Did you think that on your own, or did it come from outside. Would you have thought of a purple cat at that moment if i had not suggested it? So the thoughts of my mind enter your mind, where are they separate?

A person who admits to being messed up is telling us not to be stupid. Ok, would listening to you be stupid? I like your reasoning Wesier! :Dright on man, he cant say drugs are bad!!!

who else has felt free? in this sense
I agree! Some drugs are so powerful that it's stupid to say that they are ok to take (who would drink plutonium??) but others are ok (imo): Tea, Coffee, Nicotine, Alcohol, Cannabis etc. With most drugs it seems to me that it depends on the person and not the drug. While most of the time the drugs give people the same or a similar effect, the same person can take the same drug just twice in their life and have different experiences from them. A lot of it depends what's going on in your life or in your mind. If things are bad for you then alot of drugs will make things even worse for you i.e. alcohol and cannabis included but if things are good then the drug can make things good. I think the trap is in becoming dependent because bad times will come to everyone and thats when the drug takes you down. While someone could be having the time of their life for a few months, if something upsets the persons balance in life then the drug will drag them down. It's not just the drugs, it's the drugs and the person.

I see far less negative affects from mdma than I do from marijuana. Really?! I can't see how that is true.Even the sci-nuts may point out that at the limits of our physical universe there may be "space" but yet we bridge that somehow, the evidence of which there seems to be dynamic motion in the universe.. This may warp your mind but if we had a powerful enough miscroscope (maybe an electron one though i doubt these can focus small enough) there would be gaps between the molecules that make up our body. We are just little a structure of beads held together one by one by electricity (i beleive). Imagine this when your walking around :eek: . Think of all the little beads bouncing around. Watch you dont start to fall apart when on drugs! :D how many documented cases of death by overdose or bad combination with marijuana?? True! I have statistics on this which I will try to find (if i remember). Scientists have worked it out and it would take a very large amount!!

Do you realize, DUDE, what exctasy does to you? It causes increased synapse activity throughout the brain}probably what's giving you those whacked thoughts{and resultantly elevates your brains core temperature to unusually dangerous temperatures. That's really 'dangerous'. YOU"RE MELTING YOUR BRAIN! There's nothing spiritual about melting your frickin' axons.

Originally posted by Neville
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True! I have statistics on this which I will try to find (if i remember). Scientists have worked it out and it would take a very large amount!! [/B]

900 joints in one sitting to O.D. on weed. Time magazine Oct. 2002:cool: :m: :m: :m: :m: :m:

900 extacsty pills:eek: ........

Sorry Mrhero54. I didn't know that was a statistic! I'll remember that one because the one I found obviously wasn't good enough to remember! I made an effort too, but I was stoned when i read it. :D :rolleyes: YOU"RE MELTING YOUR BRAIN! There's nothing spiritual about melting your frickin' axons. This is true! Use enough Ecstacy and when your older your brain will have used up all of your 'happy chemicals' (you only get so much and the brain doesn't manufacture it) and you'll become depressed (and possibly suicidal if you used enough). I've seen this on t.v. and heard it from freinds but I do have my doubts that the brain doesn't produce it's own chemicals. Maybe it is the chemical producing part that is destroyed? Maybe thats what was said? Anyway it was something like that. If you go on a big high from ecstacy there will be a deficit to pay later with a big low.

tangent......
>How can i not be a part of your mind if you are replying to the thoughts of my mind?

because our minds both exist in this psyical world - and i can read what you write. I can prove to you that you are not part of my mind. Here goes.... what am I thinking now?

Ian...

>snowflake if you havnt experienced it for yourself ever you cannot have an opinion on it fact

Ian.. I HAVE EXPERIENCED this for myself - SO I DO HAVE AN OPINION - ive taken mdma for over 15 years now and ive felt exactly what you talk of. and ive taken a lot of other things that you probably havent yet (and to the extreme) and fortunetley im still here so i can let you know what i have learned. and one thing i have learned is that mdma is fantastic for oneself - but it paints a pretty false picture of what is really going on in the world. Yes it makes you feel like we are all the same and at one with each other and full of love - but do you really truely feel like that when you are not on the drug? if your honest - the answer is no - the drug makes you feel that way. if you want the real truth about things mdma wont help you, but for sure keep taking it if you want - it sure can be fun for YOU.. but you will get bored of its fakeness after a while.

do all things in moderation

Originally posted by snowflake
what am I thinking now?



You are thinking:

"I bet he doesn't know what I am thinking now" :D

Ok, so our minds exist in the same physical universe, so we are still part of the one thing. I think where we are getting mixed up is the definitions. You seem to arguing that our minds are not the same [I may agree with you there], whereas I am arguing that we are both part of the same system, one that allows itself to fragment and experience separateness.

And I do often feel love for the whole universe [honestly] when I am not on drugs. It took a lot of work and confronting of myself and the realities around me, but I know that it is possible.

I agree *strongly* with your warning about the chemical dependence that may arise, but at the same time it shouldn't rule out the possibility of non-chemically induced bliss.

Just to head off some counterarguments [I have been arguing with myself for many years]: I don't believe that people are inherently "good" or "evil", in an infinite universe all things are possible except non-existence of the said universe [cause something already exists], if all things exist, there must be a scenario where everything is cool, so as long as it happens once, everything's OK. I think that there is a lot to discuss, but in my experience i am beginning to realise that the "paradise" we are all searching for is closer than we think.

Drugs only create the illusion of being free. Freedom comes from inside out. It is not something physical, or something that is experienced. You can be in prison, and still feel free. You can also be out of prison and don't feel free. Freedom is a state of mind. If you think about it, in prison, youare confined to a little place. But still, Earth is a very little place and we don't have much freedom to get out of it. So freedom is really relative.

Drugs can make people feel high while they are using it, but once the effect passes, there is a lack of seretonine in the brain and then they get extremely depressed. It is also a chemical dependence, so it has absolutly nothing to do with freedom.

Freedom comes from how you accept and believe in what comes to you. It is something that you get from inside out, not from outside.

tangent, no i was thinking 'id like a banana right now' ;)

>And I do often feel love for the whole universe [honestly] when I am not on drugs. It took a lot of work and confronting of myself and the realities around me, but I know that it is possible.

fantastic - i do also - i was never saying this was not possible. i was just saying mdma paints a false picture of this - for one to feel this truely they must understand a lot more more about life and why we are what we are - than to simply take a pill and feel it momentarily. thats fake.

as for good and evil - we are all good and evil - the ability to have both is what give us our free mind - freedom is the ability to do anything you want - that includes good and evil. the people that i think are truely good people on this world are the ones that understand the difference between an action that is good (i.e. anything you want as long as it does not hurt or take away something away from another man) and one that is evil (doing something purely for oneself that is to the disadvantage of another man) and live by this - or at least are aware of this and try and make others aware of this.

lol!

see! we agree!

I know you're not going to believe this but i did have a fleeting thought "he feels like having some [kinda fruit]" the feeling was more strawberrish though :D << maybe I just made that up to make myself believe that our minds are the same! hah!

ANYWAYZ: an analogy bout drugs....

drugs are like taking the helicopter to the top of a very high mountain. Yes, the view might be wonderful, and now you know it exists, but if you stepped out you are not going to last long. Better to work your way up, on foot, by yourself, so by the time you reach the top again, you can survive and experience the truth with as little extra baggage and maximum clear sense experience. You are also ready to tackle the next mountain.

If you keep taking the helicopter, not only do you get unfit so less able to do it on your own, but you are at the mercy of the helicopter pilot, manufacturer, and petroleum supplier.

cheers all i'm going to sleep...


:o

This is true! Use enough Ecstacy and when your older your brain will have used up all of your 'happy chemicals' (you only get so much and the brain doesn't manufacture it) and you'll become depressed (and possibly suicidal if you used enough). I've seen this on t.v. and heard it from freinds but I do have my doubts that the brain doesn't produce it's own chemicals. Maybe it is the chemical producing part that is destroyed? Maybe thats what was said? Anyway it was something like that. If you go on a big high from ecstacy there will be a deficit to pay later with a big low.

Hmmm...never heard about these 'unmanufacturable' brain chemicals. I know the main ones can almost always be produced - dopamine, norapinephrine GABA etc. Then again, it's been a while since I studied this topic. Could be.

Here's what I do know:
The compounds in extasy(and other drugs) often get stuck in the clumps of brain tissue (nerve ends - along with the other transmitting chemicals{can't remember the scientific name}), and reak their effect later on - often at undesirable times. They take a while to degenerate. Though I wouldn't be surprised if you became depressed afterwards, because after huge highs, your brain is apt to encounter a huge phase of dormant activity. Synapsing is really hard work. Your brain needs to rest after a bout of it. That's why you might feel somewhat tired after a test or even wasted after a three hour exam. It's ironic that thinking too much can be bad for you. The unfortunate truth is that it can cause irreprable damage. I have a friend who knows an older physicist (retired). His brain had shrunk down like a prune. No kidding.

Since synnapsing is all based on electrical impulses, enough of it can literally melt your brain tissue, or at least destroy some of the connections. That's what exctasy does. When you take it, you inhibit the chemicals which inhibit enzyme catalysis, leading to the destruction of the synnaptic impulse. In other words, you make it impossible for you brain to stop passing along impulses (stop itself from thinking). Dillusions might manifest themselves in the way this raver is describing. I can guarantee you that one of these days, HIM, or somebody he knows, will be in hospital because of this. They'll go absolutely whacky and then pass out. If they do survive the trip, there is a high probability that they will loose a lot of brain functionality - often permanently - or be disabled in some other manor. This is why I'm against allowing such drugs to be widely distributed. People aren't educated(take a hazard look the guy who started this thread) They don't know what they're talking about. >>>If the government were to legalize these kinds of drugs, it would cost the system a fortune. Our universal medicare--or whatever's still left of it-- would be no more.


From what I understand, exctasy is one of the most dangerous drugs around. It causes permanent damage. The best thing you can do is ignore these ravers and their bogus claims. Try and educate them. If they still don't listen, it'll be like jumping into a barrel of industrial waste. They die off, and do us a favour. The shallow end of our gene pool will be no more.

You know, I'd just like to mention that my first name is Ian. So, from one Ian to another Ian, herrro!:p

Anyhoo, can't say I'm into this drug stuff. Not yet, anyway. The drug program at my elementary school really worked. They could have turned me into a republican with that type of enthusiasm:bugeye:

I think that, while on this drug, your profile here should be "Ianthefreespirit." I think while off of it your profile should be "Ianthetrappedspirit" and I think when you're asleep your profile should be "Iantheunconsciousspirit" and I think that when you're turned on by something your profile should be "Iantheexcitedspirit." Just some suggestions for ya. Welcome to sciforums:)

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
Sounds like you are thinking of lsd,
Nope, mdma

Originally posted by tangent23
sorry i'm not being more coherent, but it's late and i'm tired.

coherent? are you kidding? I went through it while I was reading what you wrote, without mdma

:D

Originally posted by Mrhero54
one can easliy kill themselves with "pure" mdma if it is consumed with another party drug "alcohol". ( i bet that never happens:bugeye: ) This combination can be very lethal to certain people which is why some people collapse and die at raves. There are many cases of this happening to teens.

well, DUH (80's flashback) to sentence number 1 - they both dehydrate you, no one with about 10% common sense would do that and not be prepared for the consequences...

It's lethal to EVERYONE ... they both DEHYDRATE

Anyway, the problems people have with mdma are drinking too much, or not enough... quite solvable, but yeah....

stupid teens!

Originally posted by snowflake
my mind is individual from you.

Someone once told me I had esp.

Originally posted by Neville
Some drugs are so powerful that it's stupid to say that they are ok to take (who would drink plutonium??)
Mercury,... you should have said mercury.

I loved the bit on the beads. :D

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Drugs can make people feel high while they are using it, but once the effect passes, there is a lack of seretonine in the brain and then they get extremely depressed. It is also a chemical dependence, so it has absolutly nothing to do with freedom.


I would now like to present the analogy of a car, let's compare paragraphs....

EXTREMELY ROUGH SPEEDING/OFFROADING/RACING CARS can make people feel high while they are using it, but once the EXTREMELY ROUGHSPEEDING/OFFROADING/RACING passes, there is a lack of A CAR and then they get extremely depressed. It is also a dependance, so it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom.

"So, just because I abuse my car, but have tons of fun, means I should never do it. The car will die sooner, and i'll be sad, but I'm the kind of person that wants to have fun... you go around driving the speed limit on your roads..."
- Danny Danger

Originally posted by snowflake
evil (doing something purely for oneself that is to the disadvantage of another man
But the truly smart person knows that you can't know if something will actually be for the better or worse for someone, for the most part. In other words, if what I think would be helping you would actually put you at a disadvantage, and vice versa, there is a difference. And intent is irrelevant here, because you can never truly say you know the intent of another.

Originally posted by Elbaz
It's ironic that thinking too much can be bad for you. The unfortunate truth is that it can cause irreprable damage. I have a friend who knows an older physicist (retired). His brain had shrunk down like a prune. No kidding.
So, this brain size in different humans, which scientists use to determine elovutionary tracks and cultural growths, is actually purely based on the amount one has used a noggin in a specific life. (the dumb people, thought to be of one time period, actually only share the commonality of big-noggins due to lack of use, and vice versa)

Someone tell the scientists! :D

Originally posted by Pollux V
You know, I'd just like to mention that my first name is Ian. So, from one Ian to another Ian, herrro!:p

Anyhoo, can't say I'm into this drug stuff. Not yet, anyway. The drug program at my elementary school really worked. They could have turned me into a republican with that type of enthusiasm:bugeye:

I think that, while on this drug, your profile here should be "Ianthefreespirit." I think while off of it your profile should be "Ianthetrappedspirit" and I think when you're asleep your profile should be "Iantheunconsciousspirit" and I think that when you're turned on by something your profile should be "Iantheexcitedspirit." Just some suggestions for ya. Welcome to sciforums:)

Wow, the dexterity with which you compiled an interesting message without actually talking about the topic and making it all fit somehow was quite impressive. To think you wrote a post without actually "writing anything on the topic." :D

:mad: DOH! Where's my holier than thou angel smiley, hmm, i wonder.... :angel:.... <---- hopefully that's an angel.... otherwise, here's a rose @}~'~~~

So, this brain size in different humans, which scientists use to determine elovutionary tracks and cultural growths, is actually purely based on the amount one has used a noggin in a specific life. (the dumb people, thought to be of one time period, actually only share the commonality of big-noggins due to lack of use, and vice versa)

Ha, good for a laugh...but brain size is irrelevant.
Density is the important thing. It generally means that greater branching has occured and more connections are possible. You can think faster and much clearer.

The prune I'm talking about is a real smartie. He did SO much thinking that he is presently incapacitated. He damaged himself. Hard to believe but nevertheless true.

I've seen a number of studies on MDMA, and some of the more memorable ones seemed to indicate that if used "correctly" it's one of the least harmful of hard drugs.

The problem as far as I know, is that it's illegal. While not being a turn off in itself, it does mean that the manufacture of MDMA is backyard. I don't know what the situation is in the US, but MDMA here is almost impossible to get in the form that studies are made on. What you're buying is quite simply a combination of several ingredients which may be close to MDMA, but most often isn't. Any arguments on how harmful or otherwise MDMA is are therefore relatively pointless, because that's not necessarily what you're taking.

Originally posted by The Marquis
The problem as far as I know, is that it's illegal. While not being a turn off in itself, it does mean that the manufacture of MDMA is backyard. I don't know what the situation is in the US, but MDMA here is almost impossible to get in the form that studies are made on. What you're buying is quite simply a combination of several ingredients which may be close to MDMA, but most often isn't. Any arguments on how harmful or otherwise MDMA is are therefore relatively pointless, because that's not necessarily what you're taking.
I agree with all this but you do know what you are taking once you've taken it, and the people making it are usually making it for a very large audience. They know that they are greatly risking their own life if they make shitty stuff because someone will take it, realise its crap and hunt the maker down and kill him.
Real mdma isn't as rare as people say because not to many people are willing to piss off thousands of people. Sometimes people will give you speed and say its mdma but very rarely will someone make dangerous drugs and sell it as mdma.
Its does happen but not as much as the media says.

If its clean it IS very harmless in moderation, and its not really addictive so I personally think its not a bad thing.
I stand by weed being worse for you. Granted, people never die from marijuana but once you start smoking pot you just keep smoking it more and more, eventually it takes over your life and all you think about is pot. Then you are officially a "pot-head" and few sects are less pointless than the pothead sect. They do nothing, they watch tv and play video games and eat and thats all they ever want to do and eventually thats all they can physically make themselves do.

Ofcourse some people take mdma too much and yes it does affect them terribly, probably worse than weed, but its less frequent of an occurence because people rarely want mdma when they wake up, they rarely want to take it everyday and people can rarely afford that much anyway, different story for pot-heads who usually want to be stoned 24-7 year round and often are. I was for a couple of years. I had to make a concious decision to stop smoking it all together and it was a very hard and time consuming procedure. People will always be smoking it around you and are always to willing to give you some, no ones that generous with disco-biscuits :p

When you smoke pot for weeks on end its like you are hypnotized or something, you don't really have a grasp on reality and strange things seem important and real important things don't. Ecstasy users usually manage to keep a clear head and are usually fairly sensible apart from the odd hour when they're peaking. The next day they can think straight and important things remain important and life can go on as normal.
This is why I think weed is more harmful than ecstasy but its just a matter of opinion.

snowflake if you have gone through it which i dont doubt, you may have found yourself asking why this feeling isnt constant in society,

because society sucks...the people who created money (currency) made the single biggest mistakes of all humans ever.
animals simple eat sleep drink etc and mate when they mate, then why have humans made this stupid world on earth thats going to eventually kill the earth at its rate at the moment. why do we need all of this just to attract the opposite sex? talking is all we need, so just be yourself and talk to people, if you arnt going to be friends with them( or that sort of person) then dont be, move on and live your life to the full.

I took MDMA once and it totally sucked.
If there's anything more annoying than ravers, it's ravers who post in the wrong section of the board.

Agreed. :p

reformedtopunk you suck

hahah you say you reformed from somthing, so you have been hiding behind somthing and not being yourself

Originally posted by reformedtopunk
I took MDMA once and it totally sucked
You obviously haven't actually ever taken it.
Thats all there is to it.

i'm a complete junkie...

last month I took some paracetamol...

I took MDMA once and it totally sucked
You can not succesfully take MDMA and say it sucked. You were either duped in to taking the wrong drug (or sugar pills), or are lying.

Mercury,... you should have said mercury.

I loved the bit on the beads. Mercury will kill one with a tiny amount? Why should he have favoured mercury? Did you know that one can put one's hand into mercury (at room temperature) and when it's taken out there won't be a drop of mercury left on the hand. :)

What bit on what beads?? :bugeye: :confused: The prune I'm talking about is a real smartie. He did SO much thinking that he is presently incapacitated. He damaged himself. Hard to believe but nevertheless true. I really hope this isn't true!! :eek: Is it and does it have to be 'top grade thinking' such as physics etc that cause incapacitating?Sometimes people will give you speed and say its mdma... It's my understanding that pure mdma comes in liquid form.

Drug users posting..drug addicts everywhere i see...scared of you all *whimpers and hides in corner* go away .


Dude it feels good now but it'll screw you up later....drugs that is and to some extent sex.

Sargent Lard,
I agree with you mostly, but if you're exceptionally responsible you can use drugs as a learning experience. That's why I say Do MDMA only once or twice, learn your lessons, and then walk away. I have quit all drugs but have never regretted doing them.

exactly...it feels good at the beginning but know your limits and quit..i guess i should have mentioned that before..sorry. Drugs can extend the heights of pleasure beyond that of a orgasm (that is the highest way of pleasure that one can get that is legal). But unlike you many forget that and after a while it becomes a more a matter of support for them rather than pleasure....good for you that you realized that and left.

There is one thing I find intriguing: straight edges say how great it is to be straight edge, smokers say how great it is to smoke, hardcore drug users say how great it is to do hard drugs,... basically, everyone is selling their own way of living... rationalizing it, perhaps, ....

Personally, I think everyone is different. If you never drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex, and think you are happy, fine. If you think you need every drug on the planet and lots of sex, so be it. The key is happiness. For everyone, it takes different things to be happy. I won't bash your views, if you don't bash mine. Period! :)

I think the straight-edges try to "sell" their lifestyle cause they all used to think they were happy with drugs, but realized how much happier they could without them. I wasn't "exceptionally responsible". I became adicted to drugs for quite a while before I finally realized the damage and quit. And as my world was getting darker and lonlier I was defending drugs the whole time. Now I say life is the best drug, but I still don't regret doing drugs cause they showed me things I wasn't strong enough to see on my own yet.