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linux is good, you really learn what to do with your system, not like windows, clicking does not make you better than a layman.

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If I could get 1 of every application I needed installed on linux without any errors I would probably use it. And since, after 5 tries and 3 flavors I could not do it, I am still using good ol' win2k.

Just picked up Red Hat 8.0 myself. Haven't spent much time with it yet. Seems VERY cool so far. Now all we need are some solid games and apps. and we can wave bye to Windows. Sadly, I do not see this happening anytime soon. I like how one can have a dual-boot machine with Windows AND Linux. Can you do this with Apple?

Can you do this with Apple?
Yup, I did it with my powerbook. Though *why* you want to do it is another matter, I did it because I could :)

I have, however, removed Linux again, cause there's no need to run it. Mac OS X is based of FreeBSD, so I already have a Unix.

I wouldn't want to use RH as a workstation. It just isn't up to par with Windows for desktop use. I'm sure I'll get loads of flames on that. :)

Although, I run 2 RH boxes as servers. I wouldn't have it any other way. Neither of them have a monitor, so I just use Putty to communicate with them (via SSH). After the install and config, you can just leave them up and let em go. No reboots, no crashes, and no problems. ;)

I'm with CompiledMonkey... as a workstation, i prefer Windows. Installation of new hard-/software is generally a walk in the park. W2k (minus iis) is relatively stable and gets the work done without too much of a hassle.

On the other hand, keeping a w2k server online with a web- and sql server is something of a completely different nature, if not to say an uninterrupted six months nightmare.

However, we are now gaining some more experience with FreeBSD and i remain to be impressed. Fast, simple, stable, secure, reliable...

Originally posted by immane1
Just picked up Red Hat 8.0 myself. Haven't spent much time with it yet. Seems VERY cool so far. Now all we need are some solid games and apps. and we can wave bye to Windows. Sadly, I do not see this happening anytime soon. I like how one can have a dual-boot machine with Windows AND Linux. Can you do this with Apple?

You can use alot of windows based games and apps on linux by using wine http://www.winehq.com/ (i believe it's somewhat of a bitch to configure but it seems to be working)

Linux rocks - as a server.

I setup a small email server using RH8, etc... for 320 users using Outlook 2000. All this was done in 1 hour and was free. If I wanted to use Microsoft products, it would take several hours, 1 big server for Exchange etc.. and about £20k

T.

Originally posted by Tetraneutron
Linux rocks - as a server.

I setup a small email server using RH8, etc... for 320 users using Outlook 2000. All this was done in 1 hour and was free. If I wanted to use Microsoft products, it would take several hours, 1 big server for Exchange etc.. and about £20k

T.
there are plenty of free and good email servers for windows, and the setup time is like 5 minutes...

Linux can be excellent no matter WHAT you use it for. Linux has progessed so fast its only a matter of time before we have distros that are as simple as Windows and FAR more powerful. For now, the Linux Servers are king!

-AntonK

PS - Though i must admit i am currently testing Microsoft Server 2003 and it is about idiot proof...but then again im no idiot and i want control.

Originally posted by choler
there are plenty of free and good email servers for windows, and the setup time is like 5 minutes...

So far I run linux, i never get hanged like in windows,

even windows 2000 can hang sometimes.

Originally posted by Seeker01
So far I run linux, i never get hanged like in windows,

even windows 2000 can hang sometimes.

Seeker, I REALLY wish your english was better. I'm trying to figure out if you are trying to say that when you are running linux you never get the "hangs" that you did when you ran windows, or that you never got hangs like you do in linux when you ran windows? I think it is the first. May i ask what your first language is?

-AntonK

i meaned my windows OS always get halted halfway,
but this never happened in linux.

my english is OK, your understanding got problem.

you need to improve your grammer.

Originally posted by Seeker01
i meaned my windows OS always get halted halfway,
but this never happened in linux.

my english is OK, your understanding got problem.

you need to improve your grammer. :bugeye: funny that be...

this is not funny, but miscommunication.

Linux is awesome, but not that many great games. :m:

Originally posted by hotsexyangelprincess
Linux is awesome, but not that many great games. :m:

Most of the windows games can be played on linux too

Originally posted by Choler
there are plenty of free and good email servers for windows, and the setup time is like 5 minutes...

There are none that exist that I or 99% of the worlds IT Managers would use in a business system.

Originally posted by Seeker01
i meaned my windows OS always get halted halfway,
but this never happened in linux.

my english is OK, your understanding got problem.

you need to improve your grammer.

What happened?
Someone set up us the bomb!

At home, I'm using Linux (mandrake 9.0) and Windows 2000. Linux is realy a great tool when I have to work or when I want to go on the web, but for my other activities (LAN, games, movies...) I use Windows 2000 (I didn't had any problem with it since I use it - 8 months).

Linux has to become more easy for newbies (it is already going that way...) but it's a powerfull tool for programmers (like me :)).
One more advantage : presentations ! Before I used Micro$oft Office but now I use LaTeX (for my "docs" and my "powerpoints") so that I can do some PDF. Then I don't need to have Office on the computer that will be used for my presentation.

Linux? Is that like Basic? My Commodore 64 kinda acting up........





















What are talking about? Hey the Amiga is on the way just be a few days!









:bugeye: yes I am bored. I know jack about linux.

I'm trying to move to Linux. Where can i get a boot cd?

Pick a distro. If you're a newbie. Go for either Mandrake (http://www.mandrake.org/) or RedHat (http://www.redhat.org/). I know I'll get arguments, but either one is really good for newbies. You download the ISO files for either distro and the first disk in the ISO set is bootable. There is also a handly ittle distro called Knoppix (http://www.knoppix.com/). It's a live, bootable CD that you can test out linux to see how it feels. That's what I did at first. Later on you can move to use your own compiled kernel.

-AntonK

Originally posted by Ender
I'm trying to move to Linux. Where can i get a boot cd?

Maybe try that thing lindows (or something), it boots under windows if i'm not mistaken and then you run linux (or some form of it). This way you can get the feel for it and see if it fits your needs :)

This is the First real thing that I have done in my New Linux system. So far its really great.

BTW i'm using Mandrake, i figured that since i'm such a newbie, then i should try it out. Plus a friend of mine already had the 3 boot cd's!

Originally posted by Bachus
Maybe try that thing lindows (or something), it boots under windows if i'm not mistaken and then you run linux (or some form of it). This way you can get the feel for it and see if it fits your needs :)

Well.... No. Lindows is just another distro of Linux. It doesn't require Windows at all to run. Lindows does come packaged with WINE which is basically a windows emulator for running some (not all) windows software in Linux. Lindows is modeled to look almost exactly like Windows os that the learning curve is very small. Linux NEVER HAS and NEVER WILL run on top of Windows. Simply doesn't work that way. Linux isn't a program. Linux is an operating system. Linux is the stuff under the hood you never see.

-AntonK

Originally posted by AntonK
Linux NEVER HAS and NEVER WILL run on top of Windows.

http://www.winlinux.net/2003/

You can also run linux on top of Windows via VMWare

http://www.vmware.com/

I believe RedHat also has a feature where you can create a virtual linux partition on you existing FAT32 partition.

Don't you have to pay for Win Linux??

:confused: :confused:
I think Linux Is based on Windows? (no sure) Is that right?!!

can u install linux on a Complete Formated HardDisk? No windows?

Originally posted by Al-Kaboni
:confused: :confused:
I think Linux Is based on Windows? (no sure) Is that right?!!

Nope, it's more based on Unix then on Windows.
Originally posted by Al-Kaboni
can u install linux on a Complete Formated HardDisk? No windows?

Yes you can, ussualy the normal method too :)

Thanx brachus

Linux is an operating system just like Windows is. Sure you CAN run Linux on a windows machine, but then again with the proper virtual machine software you can run any OS on any computer. Thats not the point though. Linux is best comparable to DOS and Windows 3.1 in the way its built (not in the way it runs). The Linux kernel is the heart of the OS and controls the computer. You can interface with the Kernel using a Shell...this is like your DOS screen. Then on top of that we (most) load what is called X Server. What it does is communicate with other software and display the graphics for whatever program you're running. And because its modular, X just displays graphics...you load up a Window Manager to control the look and feel of your windows. You can also load a whole desktop environment which takes care of most settings...such as KDE or GNOME. Either way...Linux kernel almost NEVER crashes. Sure X may crash, its a program like any other...but if it does, you're back in your shell window and just type 'startx' and everything comes back. No need to restart, almost NEVER.

-AntonK

yeah, everything pretty much been covered, though I think AntonK's last post may have frightened people off.


There is a company called Lindows, Inc. they created a version of Linux which looked alot like Windows, and had a thing called WINE installed on it allready. This WINE thing let Windows programs run when the machine is running Linux as it's operating system. As Anton said, they both do the same job -they manage how the programs you use access and controll the hardware sitting under your desk. So then Wal-Mart and Lindows, Inc got together, and now sell $350 PC's with Lindows (Linux which looks like Windows) installed on them. From what I can tell, it works quite well!


However, in order to get Windows programs to run under Linux (legally), Lindows, Inc was forced to include a linsence to Windows, as well. MS sued them, and forced them to do it. So, when you buy a Lindows Machine, you are also buying a Windows Lisence-this allow you to also install a copy of Windows if you want on the Lindows machine. However, technically, Windows *is not* needed, so while you get a Windows Lisence, you don't get a copy of Windows with the machine. :(



real quick overview of how computers work:

1)there is hardware. this is the box that sits under/ontop of your machine. This is like a diner down the street from where you live.
2)There is the operating system. this is comprised of two main parts:
a)The kernel, which is a program controlls the hardware. This is like the cook.
b)The rest of the Operating System, which works like the diner's manager - it schedules all the all the programs on the computer(employees at the resturant). And deals with problems.
3)Then there are programs which respond to user input. this is the waiter/waitress.
4)then there is you, the User/Customer.

You show up at the resturant, and ask to be seated (log in to the computer) The manager sits you, and then grabs a waitress for you. You ask the waitress (program) for certain food(data). The waitress tells the cook(kernel) what she needs, and the cook deals with the ingredients(raw data), the pots and pans and the stove(hardware), and hands the waitress the finished food (output data). The waitress then gives you the food, and you then move onto your next request.
If something catastrophic happens (the building catches fire), then the Manager is in charge of getting everyone out safely, and making sure that everything that can be done is (If your machine freezes, that's because a program did something that it shouldn't have. the machine's OS simply halts operation completely, so that the least amount of Data loss occurs as a result of the program's illegal actions. Modern OS's don't freeze very often, because they are better at preventing programs from doinging illegal stuff in the first place.)
You can have more than one manager on your staff at a given time, but having more than one working at a given time tends to be bad. they fight, and grab for power.

So, you can have Linux and Windows on the same machine at once, but only one can run at a time. Maytimes, waitresses and waiter have a favored manager. Some go so far as to refuse to work with any other manager. Similarly, programs which work under Windows don't technically work under Linux (though with WINE you can trick them into working), and programs under Linux don't technically work under Windows (though with Emulators like VMWare and VirtualPC, you can trick them into working).

I hope this was helpful :)