there's so many choices, what should I choose...
there's beautiful things, but why should I make an effort to persue them, does it really matter? I will die anyway...those thoughts make me sad, how can I kick them away.

Choose to.

there's so many choices, what should I choose...
there's beautiful things, but why should I make an effort to persue them, does it really matter? I will die anyway...those thoughts make me sad, how can I kick them away.I know what you mean. I've learned that we shouldn't kick such thoughts away.

Rather you should understand, that life has meaning. Meaning.

Meaning stretches beyond human life, beyond death.

We share meaning with others, therefor what you do you should do to share with others. That is what becomes important. A rock will forget, but mutual understanding last eternally.

It doesn't matter, do things! Climb on top of the world! What you feel now will help you later, you must look beyond yourself to the necessary. The necessary.

Some things are necessary, you are here, you must do things, that is necessary. If you don't, see what is happening then? Meaningless comes with not doing, it is necessary and we *must*.

You could do *more*.

Explore yourself and take it slow if you must.

I love the way you phrased this question. A 'a pycsological problem'

For some reason, humans can't handle the idea of emptiness. Things are just naturally devoid of meaning or static individuality. You must construct your own meaning if it's meaning you want.

those thoughts make me sad, how can I kick them away.

The world doesn't need more existentialists. Heroine is probably the best way to kick those feelings.

there's so many choices, what should I choose...
there's beautiful things, but why should I make an effort to persue them, does it really matter? I will die anyway...those thoughts make me sad, how can I kick them away.
your right. our modern 'nightmare' isbeing SPOILT for choice. those who can AFFORD to bemind. many many many pople in tis world haven't even got that luxury. they need water, food to live, and/or doging bullets whatever

find ou what you are really into. dont let parents make you do stuff you really dont want to do. YOu know how you feel and basically have rthe power of choice

what do you luv doin most?....remmber this is adults only...hehe

Don't listen to duendy, your parents are much smarter than him.

Don't listen to duendy, your parents are much smarter than him.
good u challenged what yu THINK i mean. tis allows me to explainmore in full. i didn't mea to just do what yu WANNA. you know be all grown up. no. what i meant is say they want you to 'become' somthing YOU may not want. it is sooo easy to forget what you want to please your parents who eem like gods. example, a kid made to feel they HAVE to be 'sucessful', even tho teir criteria for that is differnt than the childs.presssure to BE. rathe than allowing tolive fully as an individual

Well you know what Frank Zappa said.. If you end up in a bad spot because of your parents, then you deserved it.

And anyways, I think it would be stupid to ignore the wisdom of ones parents.

Well you know what Frank Zappa said.. If you end up in a bad spot because of your parents, then you deserved it.

And anyways, I think it would be stupid to ignore the wisdom of ones parents.
what about the not-wisdoms? and are you holdin Zappa up as some good role model for obeying parents....?

If you can't make up your mind, just go ahead and commit suicide. At least you'll make the evening news and become a useful example of stupidity.

Well you know what Frank Zappa said.. If you end up in a bad spot because of your parents, then you deserved it.

And anyways, I think it would be stupid to ignore the wisdom of ones parents.

There was this 3 year old boy who was put in foster care because his parents kept abusing him. He was repeatedly sent back however as they kept fighting to keep him. He was murdered and hung from a bedpost. I'm sure "if you end up in a bad spot because of your parents, then you deserved it." Not everyone has wisdom or even goodwill and definitely not just because they are a parent. They can end up hurting you, badly because they are just people. A moron in control over you will mess you up. Period. Moron

Umm.. zappa was referring to grown ups who regret their decisions in life, you opportunist twit.

The great majority of parent try to prevent their kids from making the same mistakes.

Umm.. zappa was referring to grown ups who regret their decisions in life, you opportunist twit.

The great majority of parent try to prevent their kids from making the same mistakes.

No you dishonest twit, that is not what that quote meant. Your parents could have steered you the wrong way, indoctrinated you or even try to force you against your better interests, many times out of selfish ambition or ego. This happens a great 'majority' of the time than either you realize or willing to admit. Many parents just excuse whatever they did or didn't. Read the quote again, hypocrite. If your parents put you in a bad spot, doesn't excuse them. This does not mean you shouldn't change or better your life, but still it does not excuse them of negligence or wrongdoing. Moron

If you end up in a bad spot because of your parents, then you deserved it.

How is it one 'deserved' it if because of your parents you ended up in a bad spot?

Slimy egotistical scum

Hey! Just sterilize everybody, and in 50-60 years, we'd have no more abused children. See how simple solutions can be?

Umm.. zappa was referring to grown ups who regret their decisions in life, you opportunist twit.

The great majority of parent try to prevent their kids from making the same mistakes.
who y calin a twit twit??

checout Plastic People,by Zappa www.globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/Absolutely_Free.html

heard this on acid in '71'---befo yo was a twinkle in yerparents eyes?

Semon is not having a psychological problem but a pycsological problem...

No you dishonest twit, that is not what that quote meant. Your parents could have steered you the wrong way, indoctrinated you or even try to force you against your better interests, many times out of selfish ambition or ego.

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How is it one 'deserved' it if because of your parents you ended up in a bad spot?

Slimy egotistical scum

For every bitter looser, there is a self-made man who takes full responsibility for himself and his circumstances.

I wonder, which one are you?

Nobody can 'force' you to do anything.

who y calin a twit twit??

I was actually calling iam a twit. But since you can't read or write, I guess the same applies to you.

Originally posted by Xerxes
For every bitter looser, there is a self-made man who takes full responsibility for himself and his circumstances.

You aren't grasping it or refusing to. I never said as an adult you are not supposed to take responsibility for your life. I am saying that your quote is misleading. It does not excuse the wrongdoing or mistakes of those who were your guardians. These can have longterm effects. Why do you look at it as a win or lose scenario? You are the twit for not acknowledging the responsiblity of parents to their children. If everyone subscribed to your way of thinking then parents can do whatever the hell they want and their children would be left holding the bag. This is not very efficient and steers all the responsiblity in one direction. Hypocritical twit.

i'm not in anyway, biblical, but some insights from it seem to hold up, example 'your own worst enimies can be in your household' words to that effect

YES. cause the child has open trust. and guess what, ome adults consciously and unconsciously ABUSE trust

for may such abused kids, tis can be a VERY painful knowledge, when later found, especially if loving parents and HAVINGtrusted them

i'm not in anyway, biblical, but some insights from it seem to hold up, example 'your own worst enimies can be in your household' words to that effect

so does shakespear
we can probably throw out the bible altogether and replace it with the works of shakespear without too much difference

so does shakespear
we can probably throw out the bible altogether and replace it with the works of shakespear without too much difference
of course. asthey are both literature

Is this another teen angst thread? Or is it possibly more mature? ;)

YES. cause the child has open trust. and guess what, ome adults consciously and unconsciously ABUSE trust

This is true to an extent, but it is often a boon for the kid. He learns that he can't put his full trust in anybody and become independant younger.

You aren't grasping it or refusing to. I never said as an adult you are not supposed to take responsibility for your life. I am saying that your quote is misleading. It does not excuse the wrongdoing or mistakes of those who were your guardians. These can have longterm effects. Why do you look at it as a win or lose scenario? You are the twit for not acknowledging the responsiblity of parents to their children. If everyone subscribed to your way of thinking then parents can do whatever the hell they want and their children would be left holding the bag. This is not very efficient and steers all the responsiblity in one direction. Hypocritical twit.

Yes it does, actually. Your parents are responsible for feeding you, putting a roof over your head and making sure you get the adequate level of education. If they don't, they are breaking the law.

I am simply saying that as long as you have someone to blame for your circumstances, you will never break free from them. You are just trying to argue stupid technicalities like the 3 year old who gets tied to a bedpost or fed wood shavings.

The great majority are self-made loosers, and yes, I do see it as a win-loose thing.

Originally posted by Xerxes
I am simply saying that as long as you have someone to blame for your circumstances, you will never break free from them. You are just trying to argue stupid technicalities like the 3 year old who gets tied to a bedpost or fed wood shavings.

Okay, then we have an understanding on this issue. I do believe it is not productive to not change your circumstances as an adult and just blame as you will never better your life. I think it is very important and healthy to acknowledge what was wrong or detrimental and make changes and decide to not repeat mistakes or abuse. I wasn't trying to argue technicalities but I was just using them as examples of abuse and negligence that many parents direct toward their child or children because they are helpless, feel they own them and the parent will not be held accountable for even atrocious crimes.

This is true to an extent, but it is often a boon for the kid. He learns that he can't put his full trust in anybody and become independant younger.



Yes it does, actually. Your parents are responsible for feeding you, putting a roof over your head and making sure you get the adequate level of education. If they don't, they are breaking the law.

I am simply saying that as long as you have someone to blame for your circumstances, you will never break free from them. You are just trying to argue stupid technicalities like the 3 year old who gets tied to a bedpost or fed wood shavings.

The great majority are self-made loosers, and yes, I do see it as a win-loose thing.
ohh, you make it s simple sounding. you know, we aren't just 'rational' cnscious beings, we have depth. modern idiom call it the unconscious......parents can seriously fuck with this whole schebangle taint all about prviding rooves and ting.

ohh, you make it s simple sounding. you know, we aren't just 'rational' cnscious beings, we have depth. modern idiom call it the unconscious......parents can seriously fuck with this whole schebangle taint all about prviding rooves and ting.

Yeah..like the parent that provides food and shelter and molests, beats, belittles, confuse, and even purposely sets them up for failure because they feel like they themselves failed in life. Total selfishness and definitely not love, support or taking on the responsiblity of a parent. They either shouldn't have had sex or used protection as they don't deserve the role. Children are a responsiblity not a toy to own or play with. A parents responsiblity is to help the child not dump their own baggage.

how can I kick them away.

You can't. Sorry. You have to deal with them. You have to fight them and quit asking us for help......