I wonder how many arabs have stated this phrase walking through america's airports since 9-11

I have the original quote from Don Rabbel attached (I didn't turn out perfectly, but good enough).

Guess this post is a little pointless, but I didn't have anything better to do with my time http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/shrug.gif

It is a little sad how most people will look at an Arab or person of Middle-Eastern descent and think "TERRORIST! FANATIC MUSLIM" etc. There are over a billion muslims and people of Arabic or Middle-Eastern descent world wide, surely not all are terrorists.

Oh well. There's no stopping people when they want to be stupid or stereotype everybody. :mad:

Muslim cultures are more oppressive than catholics. I don't give a shit about the history. That is true right now. The worst thing that can happen to Western civilization is getting infected by Islam, which already happened, and seeing it spread like a disease. Whenever I see musliims getting scrutinized in an airport, I don't think they are suffering enough.

and this oppression of Muslins gives them even more strenght...

believe- same was when we were oppressed by russians.
the more we were oppressed the greater our nationalism and patriotism grew, the more and more people rebelled against the regime.

you have to be careful there, not to fuck everyone really up

I forgot to take my medication today......

Are catholics the same shit as protestants? If a protestant goes to rub a bank, then we will assume that catholics are bank theifs. If no, then you cannot generalize muslims, there are two groups of muslims. The Sonnis and the Shias. The Sonnis cause all the problems and the terrorism. A Black man walks in a store and pick puckets somebody, then all black people are pick puketers. What the hell is wrong with your brain... Are you still living in the 1920's or are you too stupid to think right. Or maybe your parents never thought you anything right.

Originally posted by pooyak
Are catholics the same shit as protestants? If a protestant goes to rub a bank, then we will assume that catholics are bank theifs. If no, then you cannot generalize muslims, there are two groups of muslims. The Sonnis and the Shias. The Sonnis cause all the problems and the terrorism. A Black man walks in a store and pick puckets somebody, then all black people are pick puketers. What the hell is wrong with your brain... Are you still living in the 1920's or are you too stupid to think right. Or maybe your parents never thought you anything right.

LOL. Where does my post specifically imply that I generalize? All my post said is Islam spreading into Western civilization is a bad idea. I didn't even mention terrorism. How long did it take for you to explain all that? You can't even read appearantly. I give you a C- for the way you explained it.

But really people..

Should we really generalize and sterotype SO MUCH? Are all muslims bad? Really? To them, all Westerners are bad (supposedly) but are we? I don't think all Arabs/Muslims are Fundamentalist-Islamic-Fanatic-KILLTHEWESTERNWORLD-types! I think maybe some, but not all. From what i've read, they seem to have a wonderful, hospitable culture, a beautiful and highly poetic language, GREAT hashish, plus CAMELS! Everyone likes camels..

So come on guys, let's try and act mature and civilized and try not to stereotype SO much? I'd hate to be sterotyped, and i'm sure the Arabs do too.

Whenever I see musliims getting scrutinized in an airport, I don't think they are suffering enough.

Oh well. There's no stopping people when they want to be stupid or stereotype everybody.

I have nothing against checking muslims more carefully than others because muslims are the biggest threat right now. However that still doesn't give us the right to say that all muslims should suffer just because of a select few.

Here's a big thought for airport security:

CHECK EVERYONE. If you wanna check every Arab looking dude, then surely you can check everyone. A white guy is just as likely to blow shit up as a Middle-Eastern alright? People are crazy. All types of people are crazy.

Besides, it would be way more cautionary or helpful to check everyone - everyone that is NOT checked could be the one trafficking in a kilo of heroin, of sneaking in a bomb or whatever, ya know?

:mad: to stereotyping

Nicely written, Nova

I really wasn't trying to point any of this out in my post, I really just had nothing better to do with my time than clip that Don Rabbel voice

I am not trying to make any point either. I am just trying to stir up trouble. I was waiting for some ultra left wing politically correctness zealots to yell at me and then hopefully have a heart attack after that.

Nicely written, Nova

Thanks.

Joeman, i'm glad you don't actually think like that. :)

There are over a billion muslims and people of Arabic or Middle-Eastern descent world wide, surely not all are terrorists.



You must be,...:eek:

My opinion is somewhere in the middle.

For one, I like to preserve cultural diversity, I'm not saying arabs cant move to my country, but they can't all come here at once. I want to live in CANADA, under the ideals of CANADA. not in pakistan, under Pakistani ideals. I have nothing against anybody, but the truth is, socially, the infiltration of a new religion no matter how pretty or civilized is highly volatile to existing social order. If you want to move here, than sure, but Canada only numbers 30 million people and considering that there are like a billion or so Muslims/arabs or whatever, means that only a fraction of their people could drastically change the face of our continent. Read on.

I personally believe that earths population of humans should eventually mingle seeing as how globalization is advancing at such a rapid pace. What damage is there in peacefully accepting the genetic variation of humanity? However, the implications of doing it all at once are soooooooo incredibly volatile that it would be social suicide. Wars would break out everywhere. It would breed more and more hate. And unfortunately I see that happening in the world today. The whole concept of volatility is a fundamental concept of chemistry where some compounds are so different that their reactions are EXPLOSIVE. This is where hate comes from. I hate, hate. Therefore, I'm a peaceful person. Get it?

Its also important to point out that the population of arabs is highly diverse. In some countries like Morocco (where my father is from) the people are GENERALLY very liberal and conscious of the world situation. THough, as you travel east, things seem to get more and more extreme. I hate to use Pakistan as an example since such a stigma is already attached, but the truth is that its a trully deprived country. Not enough food to go around, and they're still stuck a century back in many cases. Not to mention extrme Islam. This along with the fact they woman are quite often held back means that they're culture is Volumes different than our own. I'm not going to say its bad or good, just that such cultures are so alien, pouring a million of them into Canada would be like putting liquid nitrogen in my iced tea. The effects would not be very favourable.


Now, I'm not going to go into "which religion is more civilized". Anyone who thinks of themselves as godlike is an uncouth barbarian. Show some humility people!!



Finally, how about this: Anybody who wants to travel on an airplane should be treated with respect and dignity. Its not our job to make decisions on airport security. Do any of you really have a university degree in those kinds of matters? Certainly not me.


-Peace

I hate, hate. Therefore, I'm a peaceful person. Get it?

:p LOL you make it sound like a treat, definitely not peacefull hehehe :p

But serious now: it's (like I suppose we're all aware of) about economics and religion, whether we want to admid this or not, in most islamic states, I mean (pardon me) *continues whithout the 'actuallity' pun* (news and stuff, mostly brainwashing trough big media like news and cetera) in most religious states (that means also in jewish form of state) , religion is not separated from their form of state. (or being> auwch= that a person must personificate acording to laws of acomodated acuiticy, to reasemble, at least, some sort of comodity or some sort of idear of being not alone in their stance and aproach towards dificulties of actually> co-existence with other systems of perception, filosophy, policy, whatever you might want to name it (it all come together to the same point) (altough the opposit sides of the vision they don't want to admid to eachother, afraid of showing weaknesses)

Hence their lack of ANY form or understanding of democratic or humanistic values, if not also intrinsic into their religion: a faint human awareness, but: here a ponder for you:

'they' (all humans in my perspective) see 'our' western 'democratic' (wich IS hypocrit for cryin' out loud) form as something hypocrit, wich is, in fact, nothing more then the inability of 'our' 'western' states to keep in touch with their peoples, that form their consistency.

I mean> I'll explain> it's easy, it's like breathing, it's like a heartbeat,...


*inhales deeply, while listening to DJ Shadow(cd:theprivatepress-songnr.;12)*

I don't think our state is democratic anymore, I think, states who have a religious link into their sytem of goverment: thus covering the
(most favorite) voice of their people, in their way democratic(!)
(or just being dictorious, what the hell I know:I don't live in such a country) this is gettin' hectic, let me refraze myself.

(in the meanwhile it's already track 7, (yes it started again, from beginning) boy, am I taking long for this reply,...)

OKAY

here is my synthesis:

there is abuse, abuse of laws, abuse of freedoms, abuse of people, take child abuse or slavery or woman supression for instance, but it happens ALL OVER THE WORLD MAN; whatever nation, whatever religion (have a look at the latest convulsion of the catholic church; I bet ya: millions of people have been abused, if not billion,(calculated troughout the centuries that is, I'm sure islam doesn't have those particulary outrageous happenings)

I vieuw it just like a form of resistence: a child takes a stand against the (continualsly) beating of his father. (how melodramatic) and resist against any futher form of depression from (outside of his being)



: it happens everywhere: no whatsoever govermental system can claim they deliver the 'exactely right response' to whatever nature condition life trows at them, so why even pin some philosophy at it?

I know my reply isnot complete, complete me if you will.

Greets fukushi

Honestly, Elbaz, can it really be that hard for you to get it through your pathetic little head that not all Muslims are Arabs?

You can't use Pakistanis as examples of Arabs at all, because THEY AREN'T ARABS. THEY'RE JUST LIKE YOU AND I, DESCENDED FROM THE INDO-EUROPEANS. Now, did that help? Or do you want a hammer? Or some applesauce? :)

Oh, and Elbaz, don't think I don't know that you don't want to be prejudiced against Muslims and Arabs, but that you can't help it. It's not that hard for me to see.

:m:

I just want them to start oppressing some other group so that the fucking Muslims will stop whining.

Jesus fucking hell.

Nicely done stirring up the sheep, Joeman.

Joeman talks about bad things that might happen if our culture gets "infected" with muslim religion.

GB-GIL corrects (in his usual harsh way) another poster that not all muslims are arabs, for example Pakistani are "just like you and me" , INDO-EUROPEANS.


Now looking at the recent events related to Pakistan and Kashmir, Joeman might have a point about what can happen should INDO-EUROPEANS become "infected" with muslim religion.

And if anyone wants to label me, I'd prefer anti-religious and not anti-[fill in you favourite ethnic group], allthough the religious nutters of those ethnic groups will try very hard to portray us as against the whole ethnic groups...

GB-GIL

I dont have time to entertain pubescent little girls like you. You're welcome to join these debates, but if you keep treading on people posts than I'd imagine that people are going to start putting you on their ignore list. And that may include me which is quite surprising considering the fact that NOT ONCE, in my entire time here have I ever ignored the worst of trolls, including tony1, malloryknox and a host of others.


Honestly, Elbaz, can it really be that hard for you to get it through your pathetic little head that not all Muslims are Arabs?

You can't use Pakistanis as examples of Arabs at all, because THEY AREN'T ARABS. THEY'RE JUST LIKE YOU AND I, DESCENDED FROM THE INDO-EUROPEANS. Now, did that help? Or do you want a hammer? Or some applesauce?

Its also important to point out that the population of arabs is highly diverse. In some countries like Morocco (where my father is from) the people are GENERALLY very liberal and conscious of the world situation.
This is the only place in the whole of my post which I cross referenced arab's with muslims. It was an innocent error. I meant to refer to them as ISLAMIC nations. If the only argument you have with my post was that silly little error than it would go well against my better judegment than to take you seriously.
You can't use Pakistanis as examples of Arabs at all, because THEY AREN'T ARABS. THEY'RE JUST LIKE YOU AND I, DESCENDED FROM THE INDO-EUROPEANS.
I specifically stated that they are CULTURALLY DIFFERENT. Do you know what a CULTURE is. Or do you need some applesauce ;) . Do you not agree that we're dealing with two seperate cultures? I never said they're a different species nor that they are subhuman - which is what you seem to think. Infact, my post specifically stated that I do not hold them above or below north American culture.
they're culture is Volumes different than our own. I'm not going to say its bad or good, just that such cultures are so alien, pouring a million of them into Canada would be like putting liquid nitrogen in my iced tea. The effects would not be very favourable.
Remember?
Oh, and Elbaz, don't think I don't know that you don't want to be prejudiced against Muslims and Arabs, but that you can't help it. It's not that hard for me to see.
My father comes from one of those nations. He has friends from Egypt, libya and a few other places. I'm also well aquainted with some people who's parents are from those nations, too. How then can I be prejudice? Why dont you back yourself up instead of scientifically stating that I "just am".

-Waiting for some serious debate.

;) chill out!:)

GB was trying to get his post count up! I know it!

I KNOW IT!!!!!!!

It's all the Jews' fault.

Fukushi,

I'm sorry for not really REing your post. The problem wast that...well, your english makes absolutely NO SENSE!!! hahaa lol...
no offense or anything.
I kinda got the jist of it. Please confirm this. YOu feel that there is a problem with Muslims coming here em masse, but feel that nobody has the nerve to admit it because its politically incorect, and that the quarelling values is whats the cause for concern. Am I right. I seriously tried to reply, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

You killed Jesus
It's all the Jews' fault.

You overzeleous Christian!!! (notice the sarcasm, LOL)

I must give it to GB-GIL that he checks his sources very carefully and he is stating no non-sense, but one could get the impression that he views these debates like some camper in Unreal Tournament Level and get a kick out of fragging people rather than to get somewhere. If this is the way you behave in the flesh also, than you must have not many friends, who needs friends anyway?

Seriously GIL, you must consider becoming a company lawyer, you could drive any district attorney crazy.....

but one could get the impression that he views these debates like some camper in Unreal Tournament Level and get a kick out of fragging people rather than to get somewhere.

"but one could get the impression that he views these debates like some camper in Unreal Tournament Level and get a kick out of fragging people rather than to get somewhere. "

haha...:D

could not have said it better myself!

So now my language is the fault of everything? :bugeye:
what is there, to 'not' understand? Everything is written down, if you say wich part of the 'msg' you don't get, don't shoot the msg'r.

you say something like 'coming here'? what you mean? coming where, where do YOU think I live,....in the same country? do you even think I am talking about a country? I'm talking about the whole friggin' world 's what I'm talking about!

I'm talking about paradigms, about the same patterns, again and again, until you brake through them,....

I'm talking about opening your EYES and SEE the shit coming on, wich is being trown at us, continueslly!

I'm talking about 'us' humans, you know?

I'm talking about idiots with their segregational toughts,

I'm talking about the system, about money, about how economics DO kill people,....

I'm talking about Imperialism, and where it all ends,......

I'm talking about me and you and every motherf... on the planet!

and I haven't even mentioned the girls yet,....;)

That's what I'm talking about!