POLICE hunting a sniper who has shot eight people have found a message by the shooter on a tarot card in Maryland, sources said

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That could mean one of two things

He could be refering himself AS god

or

Snipers in special forces teams are usually called God as they watch over everyone from their vantage points

Crikey. (Gratiutous Crocodile Hunter rip-off.) Movies like Top Gun and Navy Seals are bollocks with the "callsigns" and such they use. Every month, the USA releases a thick paperback book, about a foot tall and 18 inches long, maybe three-quarters of an inch thick. This book is just lists of units of the USA and their allies (at least the allied units they know about). Aircraft, for example, do not use names like "Maverick". They will have a three-digit callsign such as A6H or X34, any three digits, which will change every month. If a unit had a commonly used nickname which was spoken over a net, those listening would eventually figure out the role of that unit, and would be able to figure out who it is by watching personnel movements. That means that unit would be compromised; they could find his wife and kids, for example. So no common nicknames like that. Just a temporary callsign of three random alphanumeric digits which changes every month. They may have nicknames, but those are not callsigns, and are never to be used over a net. This book, by the way, is one of the most sought after trophies for those into stealing codes and books and such. Get your hands on it at the beginning of the month, and you've got a whole month to figure out where someone is.

By the way, "niner" does not exist in professional military communications. The word is "nine". It was always bloody annoying listening to yanks say that silly word.

The news just said some guy in America has offered a US$50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of this shooter.

Late Tuesday, the reward stood at nearly $240,000 for information leading to the arrest and indictment of the person responsible for the killings. The fund includes $100,000 from the state of Maryland, $50,000 from Montgomery County and $10,000 from a victims' rights foundation.

Source. (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/09/shootings.maryland/index.html)

Yeah, I meant nicknames, not callsigns.

I just remembered that the sniper in Navy Seals was called God. Whaddya know. Completly forgot about that :bugeye:

I mentioned this before in another post, My guestimate is that these shootings will be down to a RACE HATE GROUP that's trying to start trouble. Possibly in connection with other groups worldwide.

(This is just a guess though)

Stryder, your guess is as good as any

But its entirely possible

Interesting idea. If it's an organised set of attacks from a group simply trying to raise the tension levels in America, in what is already a tense time, would you call it terrorism or serial killing?

i know that last question wasn't meant for me but i'm adding my two cents anyway. :)

Serial killers almost always have some kind of MO, like son of sam killed young brunnette women, pogo the clown killed small boys, always the same character description.

this guy in maryland is totally random. a boy here, a woman there, and so on. I would still call it a serial killer tho. its not really a terroristic act to kill someone. unless its like a president or something.

mostly just because i hate to rush and use the word "terrorist" in times like this.

Ill put money on it that this is an ex-military freak who has finally lost his friggin mind.

Any wagers????

Yeah, I bet the guy did basic training then washed out, was unemployed for a while, maybe had bad luck with a girlfriend or something. Maybe his dad hit him too hard or something. Finally he feels like he can have some power and control by doing this. The "I am god" note, well, if it gives him a feeling of power, I bet he was chuckling as he wrote that.

Putting some of the pieces together, you could probably look at the meaning of the card. "End of an Era, Great Change".

The god statement? Well I can tell you that's delusional, if anyone was a god they would be choosing life not death.

If I was going to send the man a message, I would do it in the language he seems to understand.

On one side I would put "Father Time/The Hermit" and on the other, "Your Not!".

Perhaps "The Devil" inscribed "Mirrors are revealing".

Ill put money on him being a hunter also. Not anything big like a bear or elk, too big of game. Probably a deer or duck hunter or something.
Also I think this man suffers from "wee-man" syndrome.

Any takers????

He is probably, like you all said, ex-military. But it just might be a nutbar with a gun.

I'm placing all my bets on ex-military though.

'I am God'
October 10 2002
Washington

The sniper linked to eight shootings left a taunting message for
authorities outside the Maryland school where a 13-year-old boy
was shot, police have confirmed.

"Dear policeman, I am God," the message said. Police said it was
found on a tarot card, part of a deck used in fortune-telling, and
is known as the Death Card. It was spotted in a wooded area
about 150 metres from the school entrance, where police have
also found a spent shell casing and a matted area of grass that
suggested the gunman had lain in wait.

For full story click here (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/09/1034061255197.html)

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Putting some of the pieces together, you could probably
look at the meaning of the card. "End of an Era, Great
Change".

The god statement? Well I can tell you that's delusional, if
anyone was a god they would be choosing life not death.

If I was going to send the man a message, I would do it in
the language he seems to understand.

On one side I would put "Father Time/The Hermit" and on
the other, "Your Not!".

Perhaps "The Devil" inscribed "Mirrors are revealing".
:) Thought this link might be of interest ...

http://www.learntarot.com/maj13.htm

"Madness takes its toll. Please have
exact change." -Bumper sticker

One other point, "Apocolypse Now" had a whole platoon of men that's commanding officer drop cards on the fallen enemy. All special death cards that were symbolic of the platoon, although they were actually "Ace of Spaces".

Movie buff? Or someone from a similar background?

Movie buff? Or someone from a similar background?

Probably both. Im thinking... quiet 20/30 year old white male. Ex-military (or possibly current military) - likes to hunt, watch old war movies, secluded, has some sort of abuse happen early on ie. physical, sexual or even tormented as a child in school.

i agree with the ex-military thing, but i dont think theres any world wide plot with any organzations or any thing like that but who knows.

but i dont think theres any world wide plot with any organzations or any thing like that but who knows.

I agree. The range in victims vary so much, its hard to believe its anything but random. And if it was a plot, he would probably be going for politicians or something of the sort(?)

I am Jesus Christ
Hear my holy lies
I fool the poor & weak
To the light they seek
I sell the blessings for
50 dollars more

I am god
I kill people just for pleasure

I love to see them cry
And watch them slowly die
I lead every war
Trust in me for a better score
I don't care at all
If they stand or fall

I am God
I kill people just for pleasure


I plot a way for the destruction
Of the earth
To plague, starvation and diseases
I gave birth
I let them all die, cause my will
Is the law
The bullets of war are all mine
Yeah, I am God

I am Jesus Christ
Can't tou see the light?
I preach the holy way
Join or be my prey

I am god
I kill people just for pleasure

I wonder if that guy really is God. Think about it. You got some nut job thinking that hes god. Well way back 2,000 years ago some guy stood up and said "Im the son of god!". Could this be the new Jesus?:D

Let the insanity begin...

I think its Muslamic terroist shit we will find them and kill them and then kill all Islamic :mad:

You do realise Islam worships the same god as christianity, right?

Umm, actually, they don't.

They don't??? Explain to me please.

Christians and Muslims approach God in very different ways. For one thing, Christians believe in the redemptive nature of, well, Christ. While their God is still demanding, they have a conduit to God through Christ.

Muslims have a more personal relationship to God.

It might be said that a Muslim submits to God, and a Christian tries to placate God through Christ.

That being said, the Christian God is really just YVWH with Jesus stuck on and then twisted. Allah is less of a "fire and brimstone" type, although he demands submission as well.

So they have different attaitudes towards their gods. But are they not the same actual deity?

Not really, they evolved seperately. But they're pretty simular.

Originally posted by God Is Real
I think its Muslamic terroist shit we will find them and kill them and then kill all Islamic :mad:

Lol i don't think this is a terrorist, some org. would have claimed the killings if it were. Kill all Islamic? why? cause you don't like em?

I suggest you check your private messages.

This was posted and time coded elsewhere:

10/08/02 08:00 AM Edit Reply



Thoughts are not considered credible evidence but I will timecode this here: If I were to conjure who the killer is I would have to say it is a male 25 about 3 months from his 26th birthday. 5 foot 8 , 140 lbs. dressed in worn out jeans and dark short sleeve shirt. He is excited and proud and indeed gets as much pleasure from scouting his next operation as the act itself. He is walking with a quick gait with his head held high touring his next potential target. His next location will probably be another dept store such as the Target store (no pun intended) on Cherry Hill. The time will be AM Wed. or Thur. after a 48 hour to one week lull. If more than a week goes by without a killing the lull may last as long as 30 days and appear again prior to holidays. His motivation is not political terrorism per se against the US but in his mind a message mobilized by a higher power just the same. His language skills include english but is deficient in its use. I believe he can speak Spanish. I get the feeling this white truck that is the suspect vehicle is misleading. I think a late model car or pick up is all he is using at this time. His face looks thin with pointed features and skin that poor but not extremely pock marked, has brown hair that is short and unkept. He does not smoke and buys clothes second hand including shoes. He will not shoot in wet or soggy weather and prefers daylight that obscures the muzzle flash. He has no active combat experience of his own but has a family steeped in a military tradition. As much as his acts appear to be an effective terrorist threat he is acting on a unique opposite twist on terrorism and is not acting under Islamo fascist orders. Anarchist or Satanist does not accurately describe him but is close. The partner falsely considers himself the brains of the operation but only contributed one day while the shooter is now on his own. Currently unemployed he may live in the Aspen Hill area.

Again this is my profile of the sniper and not based on any objective fact.


(so far there are 2 positive hits accurately predicted in this remote view point. I live 5 blocks from the first sniper crime scene. Our neighbors car was roped off at the grocery store and could not be recovered for a day. When they did go get their car there was still a pool of blood under their car.)

Please tell me from where that was gotten by you.

I've done profiling since 1978

Originally posted by Don H
I've done profiling since 1978

Oh, sorry, from the subject of your previous post I thought you meant somebody else made that profile somewhere else.

I've done profiling since 1978

Cool!:cool:

I heard on the radio that the police think that its a man who might have a wife and kids becuse he didnt shoot anyone over the weekend. Did anyone else hear this?

Well, maybe he's a religious man and keeps the Sabbath Day, and he probaly likes to party on his Fridays and Saturdays...

Perhaps he even brags about it to people, but they don't believe him or they call the police but the police don't consider it to the fullest extent as a real lead?

The I am God thing was just an up yours to the police because the police chief said something along the lines of " who do you think you are to play God?" at a press conference. Also the latest method of killing (a head shot) was probably a response to an ex FBI (i think) analyst who said something along the lines of (" if he's such a good shot he would want to show off by using a head shot." The theory being touted around on TV/radio that the sniper is watching the news to help him stay one step ahead and taunt the police. Hence the police cheif being a little upset when the tarot card thing was leaked to the press 'cos it confirms to the killer that the card was found and taken notice of, increasing his sense of power. anyway just an idea based on what i have heard.

Originally posted by Xev
Not really, they evolved seperately. But they're pretty simular.

The Judeo-Christian religions share a fundamental concept of "God" (first as monotheism, second as a personal moral god) with slightly different interpretations.

Jews especially like to try to convince you that each religion is vastly distinct, but in terms of teachings, Judaism and Christianity at least are highly similar. Judaism does not acknowledge a separate spiritual realm, but constructs a materialistic one from the concept of polar morality/acceptance in the eyes of their god.

Islam, while having a more naturalistic conception of god, is derived from the religious tradition that produced those two religions.

So to answer: yes, all three worship the same god.

Originally posted by FatherOleg
The I am God thing was just an up yours to the police because the police chief said something along the lines of " who do you think you are to play God?" at a press conference. Also the latest method of killing (a head shot) was probably a response to an ex FBI (i think) analyst who said something along the lines of (" if he's such a good shot he would want to show off by using a head shot." The theory being touted around on TV/radio that the sniper is watching the news to help him stay one step ahead and taunt the police. Hence the police cheif being a little upset when the tarot card thing was leaked to the press 'cos it confirms to the killer that the card was found and taken notice of, increasing his sense of power. anyway just an idea based on what i have heard.

As much as I think Chief Moose needs to be the next sniper victim (for being a sentimental idiot and moralist), I side with him in blaming the press. That information should not have been leaked. It undermines much of what the law is trying to do by not feeding the sniper's ego.

Today's sniper shooting was in Spotsylvania and is completely contrary to my prediction. It is a wet sloppy day today.

They are now stopping the interstate traffic for random searches.

People are getting off the interstate and causing gridlock on local roads like Randolf Rd.

I have a strong feeling that this guy will turn out to be an Iraqi trained /ex military/Iraqi secret services/al-qaeda operative/ and will give goverment enough reasons to attack Iraq. I am amazed that how come no one has said that they saw a middile eastern man fleeing from the scene??. However I hope this is not the case.

Originally posted by Don H
Today's sniper shooting was in Spotsylvania and is completely contrary to my prediction. It is a wet sloppy day today.


Well make a new one then :) Hope they catch him soon (would also be nice to see if he's along the lines you descriped :) )

Originally posted by skywalker
I have a strong feeling that this guy will turn out to be an Iraqi trained /ex military/Iraqi secret services/al-qaeda operative/ and will give goverment enough reasons to attack Iraq. I am amazed that how come no one has said that they saw a middile eastern man fleeing from the scene??. However I hope this is not the case.

It doesn't seem ideological to me; more likely, this is like the Anthrax attacks a local dissident taking the opportunity to corrupt the state they see as oppressive (the JCSA) while everyone's looking for Moslems.

I had a revelation about reasons into why the guy doing it isn't Military (ex or otherwise), purely for a number of reasons.

Mostly because he's messy, afterall he's INJURED some people, if he was ex-military he wouldn't of left any living.

There are a few other points to, but I'm going to hold them back for reasons.

The professionalism of the VA police chief far outshines the personal and professional behavior of the Montgomery county police chief Moose. Moose, a rather inarticulate man, was imported here from Portland for one reason - race relations. Recent police shootings posed a danger of becoming national headlines.

Even the actions taken by the VA police in setting up road blocks far surpassed the helicopter surveilience of Montgomery County.
In VA there are secure gas stations now surrounded by police.

I believe there is no significance as to gas stations being targeted by sniper other than a static target of convenience.

It is surpriseing just how afraid normal robust people in this area have become. To me it seems disproportionate to the threat but this has more behavioral and psychological influence on the citizens here than the Pentagon attack.

It's possible that the sniper is fair-to-well educated, white, and has been screwed by the government. If you'll remember, the shootings started just after Ari, Bush's spokesperson, was trying to incite someone to shoot Saddam with a single bullet. Pehaps the sniper tracks the government and that reference by the government to killing with a single bullet, which received lots of air-play, was the trigger that sent him over the edge.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
I had a revelation about reasons into why the guy doing it isn't Military (ex or otherwise), purely for a number of reasons.

Mostly because he's messy, afterall he's INJURED some people, if he was ex-military he wouldn't of left any living.


Being ex-military myself, I disagree, we're not that good! And unlike the drill sergeant in "Full Metal Jacket", I don't agree that Marines are that well trained in target practice, that they can kill anyone with only a single shot (I'm ex-Air Force, of course!). Most military weapons are messy (M-16's, grenades, smart bombs, nukes); though sniping might be the exception?

Ex-military and hunter? Could be?
Deranged by events of 9-11? Could be? Thinks it's the end of the world as we know it, so he has to act now? Rules no longer hold, so he is free to act?
By the way, which so-called 'god' would be 'so polite' as to say "Dear policeman" and be 'so impolite' as to kill at random?

Is the current long range shooting world record holder military or civilian? Military.

Originally posted by John MacNeil
It's possible that the sniper is fair-to-well educated, white, and has been screwed by the government.

Pehaps the sniper tracks the government and that reference by the government to killing with a single bullet, which received lots of air-play, was the trigger that sent him over the edge.

I vote for deranged. But several people that had beefs about the government have taken it out on innocent people, like the "Smiley Face Bomber", that wanted to put a smiley face across America by blowing up mailboxes (to prove a point?), to protest governmet actions.

Originally posted by Adam
Is the current long range shooting world record holder military or civilian? Military.

IMO a lot of this has to do with avoiding range fees. I could see going into the military to get free sniping practice -and- a periodic chance at live targets. That is, if I could agree with the JCSA on any of its policies or "enemies." If they'd let me loose at Israel or the Vatican, I'd be excited!

At first they were looking for one ton moving vans that were white and now they are getting reports of mini vans that are white. It sounds as if people are getting scared by any white vehicle. Maybe the whole white van thing isn't even a real clue. The sniper seems to have indicated he watches the news, so he would have dumped the white van long ago and stolen another colored vehicle. Or maybe the police are circulating the white van story to the press so the sniper will think the police don't have a clue about what he's driving and the police hope that will make him over confident and will ultimately make him screw up enough to get caught.