'Hybrids: Genetic Couriers'
A key to the abduction phenomena


Abductees, contactees or experiencers - regardless of the terminology applied - are not just ordinary people who happened to get caught up in the abduction phenomena. They are hybrids, genetically designed prior to their inception to be what it is that they are – genetic couriers.

Rather than abducting ordinary people, those creatures of a higher order, those so-called aliens, are simply monitoring, programming and guiding their genetic creations.

When instituting a genetic variable into a populace, one need not institute the desired variable throughout the entire populace to achieve the intended results. Rather, a better way is to institute the desired variable within a sampling or small percentage, say 5% of the populace and then simply allow the inherent characteristics of human reproduction to play itself out over time – over generations. Of course this takes many generations to accomplish, but it is indeed the better choice given the alternative - providing that time is an acceptable consideration.

Hybrids, or abductees as they are more often referred to, function or perform their task as a point of origin, a point at which genetic variables are introduced into the general populace. The result of this introduction is the propagation, over subsequent generations, of those desired genetic variables or traits (as determined by those beings of a higher order) throughout the general population.

This very scenario has been played out countless times, throughout man’s history.

Hybrids are nothing new; they have been around since man’s inception and have existed throughout human development. This is how the human genetic pool has been, and continues to be, progressively enhanced according to parameters set by those beings of a higher order.

This then is the key through which the abduction experience should be seen.

With this in mind, all of the pieces to the puzzle form a much clearer picture of the events themselves, that is to say, of those extraordinary events to which so many have diligently been probing.

Once again, contrary to what most people think, abductees are not just regular people who have had the abduction experience. Apparently being selected at random to partake in the so-called abduction experience. They are genetically altered human-alien hybrids who having been bred by those so-called aliens, are continually being monitored on an ongoing, continual, basis; instructed via their programming at the hands of those same alien creatures who bred them originally.

They are not just ordinary people who are being abducted – they are not just ordinary people who just happen, by some fluke or chance, to be getting abducted. They are human-alien hybrids being monitored and programmed as an ongoing process or procedure because of who and what they are, e.g., genetically engineered hybrids.

Abductees are hybrids, living out their lives as hybrids, continually being placed in direct, and oftentimes traumatic, contact with their breeders.

Being an abductee is not just an experience; it is not simply about the abduction experience alone. It is about living out one’s life - day-in, day-out - as a hybrid, as the possession of those creatures often referred to as aliens. The abduction experience is simply one small facet, aspect or consequence of being a hybrid.

People (specifically, those not having participated in the abduction experience), for the most part, think that abductees are like them, save for the fact that they have experienced the abduction phenomena – that could not be further from the truth. What they don’t realize is that abductees are actually genetically altered hybrids, programmed by their keepers, those alien creatures that have had such regular and intimate contact with them, throughout their lives.

Abductees are human-alien hybrids, unlike others within the general population in many profound and fundamental ways.

For the most part, these hybrids, of which I am one, are simply living out their lives – unnoticed, undetected and unimagined – which of course is the way it was always intended to be.


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To be honest, what surprises me about all of this is that ordinary people, those people not being so-called abductees, are not afraid of us, those people being so-called abductees, or what we represent.

I presume this is due in large part to ignorance.

Alien creatures genetically engineering and programming a large portion of the general populace – this should raise a few red flags – no?

Maybe it is best to simply deny our existence – thereby assuring one a safer, more socially acceptable worldview.

No need to stretch anyone's view of reality – is there?

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Oh, you're so special, you alien/human hybrid you! So, so special! We should be afraid of you, because you're a hybrid! Because you're special! So, so special! Such a hybrid! And so special! Oh you! With your alien DNA! OH!

Or, maybe, you have a sad unfulfilling life and have to make up such preposterous stuff about yourself to have self worth.

Hmm, alien/human hybrid, or loser?

Phlogistician,
I don't think generating a personal assault on someone to state they area loser is going to deal with what ever problems they might be ailing.

It seems to the most part that some people suffer a communication problem with those that would be classed the concensus, Personally attacks add to the communication blockage through a mixture of an individual becoming both stuborn and resentful towards everyone from peoples personal attacks.

Saying all this though I don't suggest that Jocariah's claim is in any way feasible, due to the lack of evidence. If a person is truly sure they are a hybrid then why don't they get their DNA checked out? Okay you could say "It's expensive to have a DNA sample analysed for personal reasons" however the reality is that if a person truly contained alien DNA then I'm sure they would make their money back if they would allow themselves to become a study subject.

However the question here would be "what if a person has the DNA test and they find nothing unusual?" Some might realise their error and perhaps even succumb to rationalisation of a divergent state, others however will not take *no* for an answer, they will suggest the test was rigged, that MIB's lurk round every corner and that it's all a blatent conspiracy. (Although as I mentioned if it was to be an interesting find, expect alot of people wanting to examine you since they won't exactly cover that up.).

So Jocariah, I apologise for Phlogists non-tactile methods of suggesting that you are generating falsities to sensationalise your life, but if you are true to your claims you will seek medical professional evidence to back them up.

Not afraid of us per se – but rather afraid of what we might represent, or the process at hand: “Alien creatures genetically engineering and programming a large portion of the general populace – this should raise a few red flags – no?”

RE: ".... but if you are true to your claims you will seek medical professional evidence to back them up. "...Stryderunknown

I have all of the evidence I need - I have no need to prove anything to the world, and why would I want to - what might my motivation be to undertake such an endeavour.

I'll stay off the radar screen of the general public ... thank you very much.

Cheers

Stryder, don't you DARE apologise for me. If you don't like what I post, moderate it, THAT is your job, but apologising for people certainly isn't. I'm only ever going to apologise to Jocariah when they prove their case, until then, I'm not going to apologise for my choice of words. He makes no apology for assuming his audience are gullible simpletons who will accept what he has to say without proof. does he?

I didn't make a personal attack either, I said 'maybe', get that? Not you ARE a loser, but I questioned whether it's more likely someone is an alien/human hybrid, or self delusional. Now, there's an easy way to settle it, proof.

Of course, the conspiracy theorists wouldn't accept any test, so that wouldn't work. What we have here is a fixation. Even psychotherapy might not work if the subject fixates that people here to help them are part of the the conspiracy. How many times have we heard that? Norval claiming information control at SciForums, that debunkers are part of the conspiracy, and all that tedious, groundless BS?

Oh btw Stryder 'non-tactile'? GROUP HUG for poor old 'special' Jocariah!!!! ;-) Or did you mean 'tactful'?

Stryder, don't you DARE apologise for me. If you don't like what I post, moderate it, THAT is your job, but apologising for people certainly isn't. I'm only ever going to apologise to Jocariah when they prove their case, until then, I'm not going to apologise for my choice of words. He makes no apology for assuming his audience are gullible simpletons who will accept what he has to say without proof. does he?

I didn't make a personal attack either, I said 'maybe', get that? Not you ARE a loser, but I questioned whether it's more likely someone is an alien/human hybrid, or self delusional. Now, there's an easy way to settle it, proof.

Of course, the conspiracy theorists wouldn't accept any test, so that wouldn't work. What we have here is a fixation. Even psychotherapy might not work if the subject fixates that people here to help them are part of the the conspiracy. How many times have we heard that? Norval claiming information control at SciForums, that debunkers are part of the conspiracy, and all that tedious, groundless BS?

Oh btw Stryder 'non-tactile'? GROUP HUG for poor old 'special' Jocariah!!!! ;-) Or did you mean 'tactful'?

I might tend to agree – save for all of the ferocity and superciliousness.

Cheers

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I think it may be that all people carry within them the result (the genetic effects) of hybrids being introduced into the general populace during prior generations – this same thing taking place over and over again throughout our (man’s) history upon this planet.

Remember a hybrid human is still human – a hybrid rose is still a rose.


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Ah but a Hybrid Rose (for instance a black one) would have genetic differences in regards to the rest of the Roses, this is what makes that specific difference.
(Another point is a Roses genetic substance isn't exactly the same as that of mankind due to it being more simplistic in design)

If you are suggesting that all humans are hybrid, then what your basically suggesting is their are no hybrids, since there is no difference in all humans since they are all the same.

As for Phlogist, It's all very well deleting peoples threads if they step out of line but sometimes it can be similar to plagurism in the sense that you could be accused of saying something behind someones back because I've deleted what you said before the person that was suppose to read it, has read it.

So leaving your post intact deals with that problem. As for "Tactful" or "Tactile", both are similar in this case in the way they can be used. "Tactful" for better tactics, "Tactile" for 'Being more sensitive'. (Just don't get to fluffy with it.)

The only potential gullible people that frequent this board are admittedly the young, but thats only through both the lack of training and the fact that sometimes they look up to people older than them for the answers.

So if you are really concerned about the Gullible you mearly have to point out that: 'you should never except anything at face value if it doesn't have at least three pieces of corresponding evidence'.

Hello Stryderunknown,

Thanks for taking time to comment. I appreciate, as well, you taking time to administer this forum.

Not that all people are hybrids – rather hybrids are systematically introduced into the general populace over the course of subsequent or ensuing generations, providing a gradual change in our (basis or underlying) genetic structure – arrived at by way of the use of hybrids being introduced over generations – continually upping the ante if you will.

We as a species are being gradually and systematically altered.

Evolution, while indeed an aspect to all genetic life, is not responsible for taking us where we are headed. If genetics alone could accomplish that – apes (who have been around as long as, if not longer than us) would be our counterparts – but of course they are not.

If evolution itself endeared greater intelligence simply by way of time – all creatures would evolve into greatly more intelligent creatures – as has man. But that has not been the case.

Man has evolved via genetic manipulation over time.

That is as simple an example as I can tell.

Cheers

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The underlying concept here is that this genetic manipulation via the use of hybrids has taken place continually over countless generations – all the while raising the bar if you will – for each successive generation.

An ongoing process - throughout the history of man.

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I think it important to note here that I don't sit around all day theorizing from one concept to the next - I was programmed with this information.

If it aligns with the ideas or teachings of others, it is not my concern.

These are simply things, which I have been taught - whether they adhere to current scientific dogma, knowledge or doctrine is of no difference to me whatsoever.

I am merely stating what I know.

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Is this another personal Blog

Keep up the good work Jocariah.
I'm all ears until you ask me for a cashiers check for only $19.99 lol

. As for "Tactful" or "Tactile", both are similar in this case in the way they can be used. "Tactful" for better tactics, "Tactile" for 'Being more sensitive'. (Just don't get to fluffy with it.)


So says you. I say different. Tactile refers to the sense of touch. It deals with tangibles. Not abstracts like 'being more sensitive'.

You are making it up as you go along Stryder, like the rest of the conspiracy theorists on this page.

Actually I'm not making up the use of Tactile, obviously you being of a different nationality you have had it used in that context before which is understandible I suppose since your not exactly "a ray of sunshine".

I know phlogistician you are still upset that Apologised for you in another thread, it's just your attitude can be seen as disruptively negative when dealing with people (take my word for it never get a job where you have to interact with people, unless your pseudonym portrayal is really some sort of netvert reality.).

I haven't really ever concerned myself about your arguements, just the way you attempt to stir temperament in those you target.

By all means continue to 'discuss' (not argue) your points with people, but just remember that some people post here not to stir people up, but mearly to discuss their opinion.

Stryder, just where do you get the 'different nationality' crap from. I'm English, I speak English, and I have a far better command of it that you demonstrate, and yes, you ARE making up the definition of words.

Tell you what Stryder, you know I like proof? Well, show me a link to a web dictionary that _proves_ your definition of 'tactile'. If you are right, it will be simple.

As to your advice about etting a job that interacts with people, well, I get paid a fair amount to do exactly that. I'm a tecchie, and I have to tell people when they are wrong, and why, and ask them for data, and point out their misinterpretations of that data. It is what I do for a living.

My attitude is not 'disruptively negative' either. I just ask for proof. I suggest _you_ never get a job where you ever have to justify your actions, and keep throwing things in that incinerator, or whatever it is you do for a living.

Meanwhile, did you ever learn why freezing doesn't cause molecular damage, or why you can't push water uphill using an arrangement of hoses? Two things you've claimed on SciForums, been corrected, and never had the good grace to admit.

My attitude is not 'disruptively negative' either. I just ask for proof. I suggest _you_ never get a job where you ever have to justify your actions, and keep throwing things in that incinerator, or whatever it is you do for a living.

Look very carefully at your statement.... Could it not be seen to be a *Little* negative in how you are attempting to imply that I throw things in incinerators. (Proof enough)

As I mentioned I have had Tactile used in that manner on more than one occasion by others around me, Not everything makes it into the dictionary that is proven. (check for "Bling Bling")

As for the other two points Phlogistician, Firstly freezing was still bound to molecular fragmentation no matter however you describe it. You can turn around and say that all molecules involved work with a thermal dynamic constant but the fact is that all objects that I know of are made from molecules, ergo "Molecular damage" as apposed to what you stated as "Cells" (since Cells are made of Molecules). The fact is that discussion was done to death since you create the perspective that you think the universe is made up in some other form than atoms and molecules.

As for pushing water up hill, that wasn't the task in depiction, the item in question was to attempt to create an unbalanced closed system that would generate cyclic motion. The idea was that the face value of "It will not work" was discarded, not to "Prove the old adage wrong" but in an attempt to prove "Why thoughts of perpetual motion are wrong". Okay so I didn't exactly explain that in full detail back then but thats purely because at the time I was more interested in if anyone could place forwards something that was self-evident to suggest it wouldn't work other than "It won't work you woo-woo".

I was quite suprised with the little experiment I did though, Admittedly it did not generate free flow of the liquid, However my suprise was that the liquid did not retreat back to the source like others had suggested. In fact my experiment showed the liquid to stay motionless throughout the pipework and must have been held their by the very tension of the liquid. (Okay my experiment was uncaliberated in the sense that no mathematics had been applied to the pipes diameter, the length of pipe, the nature of the container from where the pipe was taking liquid from, the position of the output from the recepticle, the angles used in the coil, the length and height of the coil... the list could go on).

The shear reason I didn't output my findings was the fact that I need to do a caliberated varient to really create a definitive output.

As for your clain of being a Techie, well that would explain the superior complex and attitude. Ever read BOFH? You wouldn't happen to be a BT Techie would you? Heck you'll probably turn up to one of my 2600 venues.

So Stryder, no link to a dictionary, just a tangential reference to something unrelated. The _only_ thing that will prove you right is a link to that online dictionary illustrating your usage. Do it. Don't wax lyrical. Prove it.

A string of pseudoscience about freezing without admitting you were wrong, you are just trying to twist definitions. Freezing DOES NOT cause molecular damage, period.

Pushing water uphill. Perpetual motion of the kind you described is getting water to move contrary to the conservative energy field it is in. That is _exactly_ pushing water uphill. You didn't achieve it, and you weren't man enough to admit you were wrong.

As to the incinerator comment. Well you started handing out careers advice. Maybe now you see that it can be construed as inflammatory, and _you_ started that one, so get off your high horse.

Meanwhile, don't waste words with pseudoscience, get me those proofs.

For the most part, these hybrids, of which I am one, are simply living out their lives – unnoticed, undetected and unimagined – which of course is the way it was always intended to be.

If intended, the question begged, "Why bother?"

Phlogistician,
I know from your pinnacle seat upon your vaste column to which you bear the weight of a superiority complex for all the inadequecies of mankind, you've probably had a rough day and want to unwind by pushing us mear mortal fools around that are *so* beneath you.

To cut this all short, Phlogistician. We could go on hammer for tongs and enter into a phase of a climactic Forum relationship where we try to better each other with our sparring word for word. The likely outcome is probably hours of painstakingly constructing repartee's for each side to belittle the opponent or (perhaps in your case just be significantly rude enough to feel that you've "Got up his nose".)

However I feel that since this is so plain to see through that of simulation, theory and conjecture, perhaps we could halt all of this and try something a little different to cheat from fate the inevitable.

So do me a favour, if your a man that drinks and has beer in his fridge, Go seek that metal clad chilled exterior and crack it open. Sit down and attempt to lower your bloodpressure and temperament through just acknowledging what a waste of energy any forms of arguement actually is.

thank you, phlogistician! your first comment made my day. I emailed it to a few friends and my sis together with the first post.
the most remarkable thing about your hybrid speciment is that he hasn't showed and not even tried to show any evidence to his words at all.
and it's not even good fiction
I was reading and said aloud -> what a pile of bollox
just tells a story
I could make a more believable one in a few minutes
so an advice to Jocariah -> read a few sci-fi books, train a little and maybe you'll come up with something better
though a hybrid rose is still a rose is a killer laughriser

Stryder, don't dodge. PROVE what you've said, or admit your mistakes. Then we'll end it. Link, or be damned,

Phlogistician, the Dictionary is built from words that find themselves used within the language. The dictionary does not define the language but mearly attempts to act as a definitive guide, and therefore on occasion lacks some words and phrases that are used in context. This is notible in regards to different regional dilects.

For instance:
Look at the tall guy with the short girlfriend
"Look at that great long chap with that little totee mo-fer."

Regional dilects do not just alter the shape and verbal output of words but also allow for some words that are defined as something else to be used within dilect.

For instance you are insisting that "Tactile" can not be used to describe that you need to be "More sensative" with your postings. Tactile as you profoundly acknowledge does reference to Touch and sensation of touching, however to suggest it can't be used to suggest "being more sensative" is picky at best.

Now note this down: This point has been explained, there is no room for arguement, since there is no right or wrong answer to "how" it was used. You will probably say there is, but the fact is a year down the road Oxford could admit it into the Dictionary proving just how pointless discussion of how one word being used truly is.
Also note there "Are no references", this is purely explained through the use of "Region" and "Language". Since you've declared your English, you should understand the difference in location through the country upon dilected.

As mentioned with the Cryogenics, "What bonds Cells?"
Now I know I've stated that "Cells are made up from molecules" however there is the factor that Cellular bonding is "Molecular".
Stipulation would suggest that on freezing those cells can contort and therefore break their "Molecular bonds", ergo "Molecular Damage".

Note: This is stated and doesn't have any pointable reference for evidence, because its assumed that evidence is not necessary because anyone contesting this suggestion should either consult a "Molecular" biologist or go do a bit more homework.

Pushing water up hill... I need not cover this again but mearly defer to the previous post bar one, which apparently you skipped.

Now thats all cleaned up, (which I know full well it is from this end).
Can we allow the thread to move back to its original content on the supposed "Infiltration of manipulated Hybrid crossbreeding" rather than impose our petty quibbles?

It’s interesting how these threads can take such unimaginable twists and turns.

My rose remark was simply responding to the point, raised in a prior post, that I am not human – I am of course human.

Basically, I have been saying that human evolution has been and continues to be shepherded. Evolution alone (in and of itself), does not lead to vastly greater intellect in those creatures that have been around long enough to experience it.

The mechanism used, in part, to shepherd human evolution has been and continues to be human hybrids introduced into the general populace – in a timely and continual fashion. Those cultural and religious influences, which were established for us, simply foudationalize those genetic changes introduced into this human biological system of ours.

Enlightening the human race can only be accomplished in a gradual manner.

Those performing this task have a vested interest in doing so – it is not for our benefit alone.

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This is not a chruch to preach in, this is Sciforums and any theory or assumption (in your case) requires factual backing, evidence. Pseudoscience is still science. So please, either post some evidence or go to religion section which requires only faith as you require from this story.

Phlogistician, the Dictionary is built from words that find themselves used within the language. The dictionary does not define the language but mearly attempts to act as a definitive guide, and therefore on occasion lacks some words and phrases that are used in context. This is notible in regards to different regional dilects.

What don't you grasp Stryder? IF the dictionary records the usage of a word, and your usage is correct, it will be included in the dictionary! So show me a link, or stand down on this one!!! I's subtle, I admit, 'tact' means touch, 'tactful' and 'tactile', despite being from the same stem, have different meanings though. Go look them up.

As mentioned with the Cryogenics, "What bonds Cells?"
Now I know I've stated that "Cells are made up from molecules" however there is the factor that Cellular bonding is "Molecular".

Jesus, how many times, NO IT IS NOT! Do you know the difference between INTRA and INTER molecular bonds? Obviously not. Go read some chemistry books.

Stipulation would suggest that on freezing those cells can contort and therefore break their "Molecular bonds", ergo "Molecular Damage".

No Stryder, this is yet another case where you are twisting a well accepted defintion out of shape to fit your incorrect use.

Note: This is stated and doesn't have any pointable reference for evidence, because its assumed that evidence is not necessary because anyone contesting this suggestion should either consult a "Molecular" biologist or go do a bit more homework.

Stryder, it's you who doesn't understand the subtlety here. It's you who needs to do some homework. 'evidence is not necessary' evidence of your claims is _exactly_ what I want. Don't be lazy, prove your point or back down.

Pushing water up hill... I need not cover this again but mearly defer to the previous post bar one, which apparently you skipped.

Nope, I read it, and it didn't excuse the fact that you FAILED to use an arrangement of hoses to push water uphill. You did manage to make a static system, so the first thing you plumbed had an airlock in it. What does that prove? That you can make water go nowhere. Big deal, that wasn't the point of your experiment, and you failed. You have a problem admitting you're wrong, don't you?

Now thats all cleaned up, (which I know full well it is from this end).

It's not 'cleaned up' until you provide proof. I told you I wanted proof, and not to waste words, but that's what you've done. Stop preaching, and get proving!

This thread is pretty much on track, btw, Jocariah makes statements and doesn't back them up, and so do you. This thread has turned into a thread about the need to offer something other than the poster's 'say so'.

Phlogistician,
I've said my piece, you've said yours. Thats that, there is no more, although I'm sure you'll be pulling at words in the future but I'll let you endulge on occasion since thats the only way to keep your attention directed and away from insulting everyone else.

Just out of interest Plogistician, Do you have any conspiracy notions that go against that of the consensus? I'm sure if you did you wouldn't mention them here, or would you.

I see is a big load of sheizen.

Stryder, you still haven't offered PROOF. If you can't offer any proof, do the decent thing, and admit you can't, and were wrong. All you have to do is find an online dictionary which shares your view of the meaning of the word 'tactile'.

I guess you've already tried, and already know that;

http://www.dictionary.com.
http://www.m-w.com
http://www.yourdictionary.com
http://encarta.msn.com/
http://www.wordsmyth.net

ALL disagree with you. Need I go on, or are you, going to admit, that simply, you used the wrong word? You never back down, even when _proven_ wrong, you just keep digging yourself into a hole and making yourself look increasingly more foolish.

This is not a chruch to preach in, this is Sciforums and any theory or assumption (in your case) requires factual backing, evidence. Pseudoscience is still science. So please, either post some evidence or go to religion section which requires only faith as you require from this story.

The proof I have, I have lived out through my life experiences, as well as what I have been taught at the hands of my teachers - whether human or not.

We all know what we have lived out through the course of our life and what we have learned at the hands of our teachers and instructors.

If there is another way, I am unaware, at this time.

What I have learned is no less real to me, than what you have learned. My teachers may have a different perspective than yours, and more information with which to rely.

Either way it is all the same.

Again I repeat: "We all know what we have lived out through the course of our life and what we have learned at the hands of our teachers and instructors."

All of my teachers and instructors were not human - I assume all of yours were.

Therein lies the difference.

Cheers

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Jocariah

You didn't answer my question. What is point of all that? Why would aliens do such a thing?

The whole story makes absolutely no sense at all.

What I see are people oftentimes not wanting to embrace the differences in others that they may encounter.

Rather they seem to look to label these differences as being right or wrong – good or bad – true or false - classification upon classification, so that they might assure their place within their worldview.

This is not said to be critical, but rather observational.

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So, you assume that differences between people are reason to suggest some are aliens?

What differences, exactly?

So, you assume that differences between people are reason to suggest some are aliens?

What differences, exactly?

I assume no such thing.

Humans are humans - aliens are aliens.

Cheers

So, what are the differences and what is the point to all of this?

So, what are the differences and what is the point to all of this?

All of what?

We are all the product of a higher order - serving their purpose and not our own.

Who among us created themselves - chose this time in which to live their lives, or the language that they speak?

Self-awareness is not an either or proposition - rather it's a matter of degrees I imagine.

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some think they are Napoleons, some think they are Hitlers, some prefer to be goldfish, but this one is human-alien hybrid
way go sanity

some think they are Napoleons, some think they are Hitlers, some prefer to be goldfish, but this one is human-alien hybrid
way go sanity

… and some lacking self-awareness, allow for no other possibilities than those which they personally have experienced, or society has sanctioned.

It would seem then, in their mind at least, that the universe is subject to (or limited by) their personal experiences and societal doctrine. So that, the universe exists only as they and society says it exists.

They have limited the universe - nothing exists outside of this common think of theirs.

What a novel way to approach the mysteries of the universe… Bravo.

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Maybe the life and cycle of a maggot fits.
:D

Self-awareness, in part, is realizing the way in which one perceives the universe, and their place within it, is not necessarily the way in which the universe exists - it is simply one's perception of it.

Our perception is based on our genetic traits and tendencies, our life experiences (i.e., environmental influences) and our thought processes.

All of these things go about to color our worldview.

There again: "Self-awareness is not an either or proposition - rather it's a matter of degrees I imagine."

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is not necessarily the way in which the universe exists - it is simply one's perception of it.

Why could that line of reasoning not apply to your story?

All of what?

What was the point of making hybrids?

You still don't understand why they are so interested in our human DNA or what is so significant with our human DNA, Q?

is not necessarily the way in which the universe exists - it is simply one's perception of it.

Why could that line of reasoning not apply to your story?

I can't presently think of any reason why it could not.

Cheers

And you keep avoiding the question - what was the point of making hybrids?

And you keep avoiding the question - what was the point of making hybrids?

'THE' point, aye?

As if there was only one point to this process.

First off, why would you endeavor to think in the singular as far as human hybrids, or anything for that matter, are concerned?

Are all answers singular ones?

You think in the singular - therefore all answers must appear to you in singular form ... interesting.

You are attempting to force everything (all things that exist) into your singular viewpoint.

What is ‘THE’ point to all of this? And the answer … preferably homogenized, pasteurized and processed into its quintessential state, no doubt – so as to be easily digestible. Just give me the bottom line here – and do it in singular form, if you will. Then I’ll be on my way.

Succinctly, I cannot answer your question as you might wish it to be answered.

The above notwithstanding, if it is easier for you to digest - consider me stumped.

Cheers

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you:is not necessarily the way in which the universe exists - it is simply one's perception of it.

me:Why could that line of reasoning not apply to your story?

you:I can't presently think of any reason why it could not.

So, it can be assumed that you merely perceive yourself to be an alien when in fact you are as human as the rest of us.

me:what was the point of making hybrids?

you:Succinctly, I cannot answer your question...

And you have no idea why hybrids exist, if in fact they do exist, yet you can provide explanations as to the processes involved.

The only conclusion I can draw from your responses is that you've fabricated the whole story, and not very well, I might add.

Might I suggest more fiber in your diet?

you:is not necessarily the way in which the universe exists - it is simply one's perception of it.

me:Why could that line of reasoning not apply to your story?

you:I can't presently think of any reason why it could not.

So, it can be assumed that you merely perceive yourself to be an alien when in fact you are as human as the rest of us.

me:what was the point of making hybrids?

you:Succinctly, I cannot answer your question...

And you have no idea why hybrids exist, if in fact they do exist, yet you can provide explanations as to the processes involved.

The only conclusion I can draw from your responses is that you've fabricated the whole story, and not very well, I might add.

Might I suggest more fiber in your diet?

Draw whatever conclusions you like - that is not my concern. Your conclusions are yours alone.

Cheers

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Draw whatever conclusions you like - that is not my concern.

You've taken the time to acquire a computer and internet access, registered here and posted your story, most likely with some time taken for thought. You appear very concerned or you wouldn't have gone to the trouble.

Your conclusions are yours alone.

That is doubtful - I was merely the only one who bothered to respond.

You may find that those amongst the tenable here will draw similar conclusions.

You still don't understand why they are so interested in our human DNA or what is so significant with our human DNA?

There is one uncomplicated answer, so simplistic in its logic that all of you looking for technical detail get lost in the matrices, even the halfbreed seems to not know the WHY.

even the halfbreed seems to not know the WHY...There is one uncomplicated answer...

How do YOU know?

Jocariah cannot provide any reasoning nor can he distinguish whether his story is little more than delusion.

I can't draw any other conclusions other than fabrication - to what purpose the fabrication might be, one could draw a number of conclusions.

But clearly Jocariah is deeply concerned about his situation as he has taken the time to present it to us.

And I'm not disagreeing with your conclusions, I'm only trying to get them from the horses mouth, so to speak.

A woman walks into a bakery and buys a chocolate cupcake, walks over to the baker and shoves it under his nose and says, “What is ‘THE’ ingredient in this cupcake”?

The baker looks at the lady and says, “Succinctly, I cannot answer your question as you might wish it to be answered”.

The woman says, “Ah … and you call yourself a baker” and storms out.

Who then is the more ignorant of the two – the baker or the woman?

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Who then is the more ignorant of the two – the baker or the woman?

The baker - what's your point?

Jocariah, science requires evidence, religion requires faith.
You require people to believe your story.
Go post in the religion section of these forums.
Thank you!

Who then is the more ignorant of the two – the baker or the woman?

The baker - what's your point?

Then for you, that is your answer.

Then for you, that is your answer.

Is there some reason you feel the need to talk in riddles? An answer to which question?

Aliens are nephilim. The product of a demon impregnating a human. They have used our flesh to create and propagate their genetically engineered demonic brood throughout history. And yes, they have altered our flesh...through our genetics. Back in the garden...the forbidden fruit...caused a genetic alteration that changed us forever...the fall of man. And as that genetic alteration brought about a veil between us and god through sin, the next genetic alteration that they are offerring will serve as the final nail in the proverbial coffin. It is the same temptation...to become like god...to become more spiritually enlightened. It is the same process...the fruit...the blood. To offer a false salvation...offerred by our false creators...a false rebirth...a false eternal life. It is a lie, and it is the mark of the beast as described in the book of revelations. This alteration brings eternal life of the flesh, by the flesh, and kills the spirit...cuts us off from god forever. Because eternal life is not of the flesh, but of the spirit, and rebirth does not come by the flesh, but by the spirit. Do not be deceived.

"The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."

The fallen star is a demon. The locust are the nephilim...or aliens. The sting is the mark of the beast. The reason they can not die is because their flesh has been made immortal. And yet they seek death. Sounds like hell doesn't it?

Jocariah, science requires evidence, religion requires faith.
You require people to believe your story.
Go post in the religion section of these forums.
Thank you!


The reader may choose to believe or not, as they see fit. That is their prerogative. They may even choose to remain neutral on the matter - neither believing nor disbelieving. That is their choice as well.

I don’t preach a specific doctrine that all should follow - I simply state my perspective as being what I am, a hybrid human. Consider it a point of information, if you will ... no belief necessary.

I have ‘faith’ that those readers reading my posts can think for themselves.

This thread suits me – so long as Stryderunknown sees fit to allow me, I shall remain here at my leisure.

If you see a problem with my presence here, that is your concern, not mine. As this is the second time you’ve mentioned my leaving, you may want to avoid the threads in which I appear altogether … for your own peace of mind, that is.

You see, you have the power to ignor me - you just haven't made very good use of it.

Cheers

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Sounds like hell doesn't it?

Actually, it sounds very much like a nightclub I went to last week.

I simply state my perspective as being what I am, a hybrid human. Consider it a point of information, if you will.

How useful can your perspective be as information if it is indistinguishable from delusion, as you have previously stated?

And of course, why wouldn't we have heard about it - have you never visited a doctor? Never had a blood test?

Surely, if you're a hybrid, that would have been revealed.

So, the next step would be to understand the reasoning for fabricating this story. Are you doing a test study? Looking for attention? Having a bit o' fun?

Well if you look at a Darwinistic viewpoint and suggest that all life came from the first formation of protein in a Protozoic soup, you could suggest that as life evolved it's had many starts and stops and altered paths to change to what lifeforms you see today on this planet.

In fact you would find common denominators of genetic traits throughout all our species on this planet, some would be there because of the overall development of the evolving multicelled organisms, while other traits will have been picked up from the intergration of the food chain.

It's suggested that Cross-breeding different species is impossible, although I don't know how many sick twisted individuals and cultists have been attempting to make other species on this planet pregnant. (since thats something I don't investigate or have interest in personally)

So you could suggest that "Evolution" and the "Food Chain" have caused all life on this planet to be "Hybrid" in form, without any form of "Demons" or "Aliens".

Jocariah, It's not my place to decide if your thread is fit or not in this instance, afterall you currently aren't shifting attention to a website, selling products or attempting to summon forth for converts but mearly discussing something that you suggest, which in turn during discussion will have people argue both for and against it's possibility.

My personal thoughts are already stated, I don't think that its true, along with many others, however I can't say that you fabricated this on your own to "con" people, as either you don't see it as a fabrication or you have been made to believe it.

Stryderunknown,

You base your present concept of what may or may not be possible with regard to genetic manipulation on the current state of affairs within our scientific and medical community – as you know them to be.

That of course is your prerogative.

However, it was not long ago that the thought of creating test-tube babies was inconceivable – of the devil – totally against God, the Creator. That was the state of affairs then. Now of course we can create them – artificially inseminate the female and, in a sense, create life – or more correctly, the proper conditions for life to take place.

Make no mistake; life can be created outside the womb. The fertilized fertile egg then implanted.

Aborted babies are alive, are they not?

The point here is that the means exist to accomplish the unimaginable – we simply haven’t reach that point in our ability, as yet. So that there is no logic in saying that our inability to perform anything, in and of itself, makes it impossible ... it’s just impossible for us – at this point in time.

Cheers

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The following, taken from my intitial post, outlines my thoughts on the purpose of hybrid humans. There are others purposes served, no doubt. Things don't exist in the singular.

" Hybrids, or abductees as they are more often referred to, function or perform their task as a point of origin, a point at which genetic variations are introduced into the general populace. The result of this introduction is the propagation, over subsequent generations, of those desired genetic variables or traits (as determined by those beings of a higher order) throughout the general population.

This very scenario has been played out countless times, throughout man’s history.

Hybrids are nothing new; they have been around since man’s inception and have existed throughout human development. This is how the human genetic pool has been, and continues to be, progressively enhanced according to parameters set by those beings of a higher order".

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And yet not a single case of non-human DNA has ever been found in a human - can you explain why?

And yet not a single case of non-human DNA has ever been found in a human - can you explain why?

We share 98% of our DNA with chimps.

Cheers

Then perhaps you're not a hybrid alien but are in fact a hybrid chimp?

I said non-human but perhaps I should have stated non-terrestrial.

Can you explain why no non-terrestrial DNA has ever been found in humans or anywhere else on Earth?

There is that part in the bible where God has all the members of Goliath’s family killed because they all have 6 fingers and six toes. :D

Some out there are very pissed off about the tampering with humans perfect genes. The jealousy of other races and their attempts to use the human genes for their own purposes.

We as a civilization are continually being shepherded by those beings of a higher order. Through the use of hybrids, genetically altered humans, civilization is slowly and methodically being altered – one generation upon the next.

Our evolution is not accidental – caused by happenstance.

What is being altered in us, generation upon generation, is the amount of information we are able to house. Our ability to accept, house, integrate and utilize information.

Continual genetic alterations (variations) being introduced gradually into our civilization is the point and purpose of those so-called abductees.

Calling abductees – abductees - is rather like calling schoolchildren school-bus-riders. Of course they ride the school bus, but riding the school bus is not the point - just a necessary task.

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We as a civilization are continually being shepherded by those beings of a higher order.

That is your only your assertion based on your inability to discern whether or not it is fantasy, according to your own statements. And of course, that begs the question, "Who altered the aliens?"

Our evolution is not accidental – caused by happenstance.

That on the other hand has been observed, so it appears your wrong on that one.

Continual genetic alterations (variations) being introduced gradually into our civilization is the point and purpose of those so-called abductees.

I still don't see the point to it. Why would they bother? To what ends to the so-called alterations? It simply makes no sense at all.

Calling abductees – abductees - is rather like calling schoolchildren school-bus-riders.

Most abductees are called lunatics and kooks quite simply because their stories cannot be verified. Some have been shown to be a hoax.

Not one of them has ever been verified.

... On second thought, Jocariah, I think you’re the greatest … please write more – frankly, I can’t seem to get enough.

Thanks Q

I love you too :) .

Cheers

Look Q, I've been making the whole alien hybrid thing up as a joke to get some chuckles, and I thought I'd better come clean. No hard feelings?

No problem, thanks!

There is that part in the bible where God has all the members of Goliath’s family killed because they all have 6 fingers and six toes. :D

Some out there are very pissed off about the tampering with humans perfect genes. The jealousy of other races and their attempts to use the human genes for their own purposes.

I find it amusing how the computer keyboard would fit 6 digits just perfectly.
lol

People may think that abductees are like them, except for the fact that they have experienced the abduction phenomena. What they don’t realize is that abductees are actually genetically altered hybrids, programmed by their breeders.

Hybrids, or abductees as they are often called, are unlike ordinary people in two ways. First they have been genetically altered. Secondly, they have experienced the so-called abduction phenomena and the programming associated with those events.

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Hybrids exist, with respect to the intent of their breeders, to perform multiple tasks or functions simultaneously. They are the point of origin for genetic variations being introduced into the general populace, test subjects for other various aspects of genetic manipulation, as well as being subconsciously programmed, to name a few.

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When it comes to beings of a higher order, all things have multifaceted purposes. There are no singular thought processes or endeavors.

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It is so often that one reads these statements and if one knows the bible for what it really says about these ET’s it becomes very comical.

STDD Same Tactics, Different Day. :D

Direct or indirect DNA tampering with the human race’s DNA is a NO NO. Punishable by death if I remember correctly. As we were a created race and so were those ET’s it seems that they are very curious about our DNA. I would be also if I knew that they were to one day be my judges across this universe. Wouldn’t you?

But. Any thing less than human, mixed DNA, would be a detraction from the human perfection. It may give those ET’s some of our traits, but we still remove the sixth fingers and toes, .usually at birth.

What they don’t realize is that abductees are actually genetically altered hybrids, programmed by their breeders.

Isnt' breeding and genetic alterations two different things?

Hybrids exist

Why have no hybrids ever been discovered? Surely, if they are running around all over the place, someone would take notice, don't ya think?

remove the sixth fingers and toes, .usually at birth.
STDD

Guess they are running around all over the place but who really pays attention to someones cosmetically altered hands and feet, maybe not even the person themselves if the parent doesn't tell them.
lol

Genetic tampering is seen as a "NO NO" purely because current experiments have proven that it's impossible to get genetic alteration right 100% of the time.

This would mean that if any "Hybrids" existed on the planet, there should be at least 98% of them resulting in genetic failures with the last 2% evolving in some form. Thats what makes Jocariah claim too unbelievable to actually be true.

current experiments have proven that it's impossible to get genetic alteration right 100% of the time.


That must be true otherwise the experiments would have stopped if the goal was reached, also meaning all the halfbreeds so far have been failures.

Then perhaps you're not a hybrid alien but are in fact a hybrid chimp?

we all are

;)

we all are

In your dreams maybe you are but that does not apply to the human race.

We are what we are by way of our thoughts. Our thoughts determine our course – our direction within this environment of ours.

Thoughts (whether consciously or subconsciously) precede our actions. We think, and then do.

It is our thought process – that process by which we think – that determines who and what we are.

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that process by which we think – that determines who and what we are.

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I thought it was the gene splicing aliens. Make up your mind.

Or at the very least, ask the gene splicing aliens to make up your mind for you.

Jochoria, is there still a part of you that has fight in you.
A disagreement with what is going on?
That they are slowly breeding out the human race?
Or have you accepted that another races' own interests have become our neccessary step in evolution?
I know right now you are neither us nor them, this puts you in a very delicate posotion.
Do you still feel you have a sense of independence, your own life to do as you choose, .....or do you feel more assimilated?
Thanks.

Well we can rule out Jocariah is a Scarecrow cause he claims to have a brain, maybe Jocariah is the Tinman looking for a heart.
:D

What most separates us from so-called alien creatures is not our physical features, our DNA, our modes of transport, our gadgets or even the knowledge that they possess, which we don't.

It is 'our thought process - that process by which we think'.

Not all creatures think as we do. And thinking that they do, or thinking that they should, for that matter, is our biggest mistake.

It is a natural assumption - one oftentimes made without thought.

“This is the way in which I think, therefore, all thought exists in this similar fashion, only." It may not be a conscious thought, but rather a subconscious assumption that we carry with us.

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Our thought process – that process by which we think – is a result of our genetic traits and tendencies as well as our environmental influences.

Far-and-away the greatest influencing factor is genetic.

We cannot exceed our god-given intellect, regardless of those environmental influences such as education, for example, which were present in our lives.

Genetic influences (traits and tendencies) entails both 'the presences of' as well as 'the intensity of' traits and tendencies.

So that the question becomes, is that trait or tendency present, and if so, to what degree is it present? It may exist – but merely to a lesser degree, or appear in a lesser capacity.

A person’s sexuality is a genetic trait or tendency. And the degree to which it exists is also genetically based (a predisposition as it were) as well. Some people have a stronger sexuality than others – and conversely, although a person’s sexuality may be present, it may be of a lesser degree or amplitude as it were.

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So then, genetics is the quintessence of our thought process as it functions within us. At the very core, as it were.

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Jochoria, is there still a part of you that has fight in you.
A disagreement with what is going on?
That they are slowly breeding out the human race?
Or have you accepted that another races' own interests have become our neccessary step in evolution?
I know right now you are neither us nor them, this puts you in a very delicate posotion.
Do you still feel you have a sense of independence, your own life to do as you choose, .....or do you feel more assimilated?
Thanks.

I'm sorry, I am not sure I understand your questions.

Humans have always been in an evolutionary mode. That is what humans do - that is the very nature of humans.

Apes don't evolve - humans do.

Humans have been shepherded down the road of evolution.

What other creature – in all of the millions and billions of years – has evolved intellectually as have we?

That is because humans have been shepherded down the evolutionary road via the introduction of ‘hybrids’ on a continual basis throughout our evolutionary history.

We have been genetically altered, on an on-going, continual, basis, as a means toward our intellectual evolution.

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Humans have been shepherded down the road of evolution.

What other creature – in all of the millions and billions of years – has evolved intellectually as have we?

These two statements would indicate you have no clue as to what evolution is all about.

We have been genetically altered, on an on-going, continual, basis, as a means toward our intellectual evolution.

Which of course contradicts every known observation ever made.

the introduction of ‘hybrids’

STDD

FieryIce,
Your SSTD is becoming SSED. I know you suggest some mass conspiracy is at work with tactic alterations to keep you guys on your toes, but in reality the ones that are attempting to conceal a mass conspiracy are usually the finger points *elsewhere*.

I apologise Joch. for Encroaching your thread to mention this to Fiery.

“We have been genetically altered, on an on-going, continual, basis, as a means toward our intellectual evolution.”

People have evolved and continue to evolve intellectually - generation upon generation.

This is a result of our being shepherded along the way by those beings of a higher order. One facet or aspect of this has been the introduction of ‘Hybrids’ into the general populace, as a genetically altered segment of the population, with the intention of having these hybrids simply do what humans do – procreate – over the course of their existence – one generation upon the next – thereby spreading the desired genetic trait onto the next generation – so on and so forth.

Apes have not evolved intellectually - they have not been shepherded as we.

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WEBSTERS NEW WORLD DICTIONARY

Evolution - as it pertains to biology.

Biol. a) the development of a species, organism, or organ from its original or primitive state to its present or specialized state; phylogeny or ontogeny b) DARWINIAN THEORY (see LAMARCKISM, MUTATION)

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Evolution is an inherent genetic trait or tendency of ours – the introduction of ‘hybrids’ into the general populace, merely acts to shepherd our evolutionary journey along the path desired, by those doing the shepherding.

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There again, the human intellect is a function of genetics, so that as our intellect evolves, it evolves along genetic parameters.

Intellectual evolution is genetically based.

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It is our continually condition – within this human state of ours – to be evolving out of our ignorance at all times; our present ignorance on many fronts.

As we become informed, we evolve out of our ignorance – so that day by day, year upon year, we evolve from one state (ignorance) to another (informed).

Enlightenment is the (1.) acquisition, (2.) comprehension and (3.) utilization of information.

It was once thought that the earth was flat, that one could never travel faster than the speed of sound, or escape earth’s gravity.

Today we are informed; we have evolved out of our ignorance as it pertains to those and other matters as well.

Evolution can exist in many guises. But whatever form it takes, nevertheless it is our constant companion.

So that to say at this point in time (today) we can not do this or that – cannot see this or that, or do not know this or that is irrelevant; at least in the grand view of our existence (the overview of our human existence).

Many things exist to which we are not privy - but just wait, we will get there soon enough. Our intellectual evolution will see to it, no doubt.

Cheers

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There is that part in the bible where God has all the members of Goliath’s family killed because they all have 6 fingers and six toes. :D

Some out there are very pissed off about the tampering with humans perfect genes. The jealousy of other races and their attempts to use the human genes for their own purposes.

It is so often that one reads these statements and if one knows the bible for what it really says about these ET’s it becomes very comical.

STDD Same Tactics, Different Day. :D

Direct or indirect DNA tampering with the human race’s DNA is a NO NO. Punishable by death if I remember correctly. As we were a created race and so were those ET’s it seems that they are very curious about our DNA. I would be also if I knew that they were to one day be my judges across this universe. Wouldn’t you?

But. Any thing less than human, mixed DNA, would be a detraction from the human perfection. It may give those ET’s some of our traits, but we still remove the sixth fingers and toes, .usually at birth.

Jocariah, have you asked your "beings of a higher order" about the war? The next time you channel or are abducted make sure you ask your "beings of a higher order" about the war in our solar system, about the crater chains, about who lost that war, where those ones are that lost the war, what those ones that lost the war have been doing.

It is acceptable to put the answers all in one post, unless your told by your "beings of a higher order" to put each ones answers in a separate post.

Jocariah, don't forget to check with these "beings of a higher order" under whose authority they are under, under whose authority they are causing this harm to human?

You may be in for a surprise.
:D

WEBSTERS NEW WORLD DICTIONARY

Evolution - as it pertains to biology.

You see, I was right, you didn't have a clue and had to look it up in a dictionary. You still don't have a clue though.

It was once thought that the earth was flat, that one could never travel faster than the speed of sound, or escape earth’s gravity.

Was that before or after the genetic engineering?

Evolution can exist in many guises.

Perhaps you should find out exactly what evolution is all about aside from a dictionary's definition. Read a book.

Many things exist to which we are not privy - but just wait, we will get there soon enough.

And some things exist only in the imagination, right Joc?

Imagination precedes reality, many times - through our imaginings, we are able to set our course.

Reaching the moon was first imagined - then realized, was it not?

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WEBSTERS NEW WORLD DICTIONARY

Evolution - as it pertains to biology.

You see, I was right, you didn't have a clue and had to look it up in a dictionary. You still don't have a clue though.

It was once thought that the earth was flat, that one could never travel faster than the speed of sound, or escape earth’s gravity.

Was that before or after the genetic engineering?

Evolution can exist in many guises.

Perhaps you should find out exactly what evolution is all about aside from a dictionary's definition. Read a book.

Many things exist to which we are not privy - but just wait, we will get there soon enough.

And some things exist only in the imagination, right Joc?


I have used the word 'evolution' in its proper context – the point of my reference to the dictionary definition was to establish the more common usage of the word, thereby avoiding any confusion that might surface.

You seem to be arguing with yourself; a trait that I have noticed many times within your discourse.

Cheers

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One thing that seems to exist here, from my perspective at least, is rather than the sharing of concepts and ideas, there is an ‘I’m right – you’re wrong’ outright adversarial and hostile mentality - I for one, fail to see the advantage in participating in such dialog.

Adversarial, mean-spirited and hostile dialog does not appeal to me, whatsoever.

Cheers

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Basically, I have been saying that human evolution has been and continues to be shepherded.

Evolution alone (in and of itself), does not lead to vastly greater intellect in those creatures that have been around long enough to experience it (e.g., sharks, apes and aligators).

The mechanism used, in part, to shepherd human evolution has been and continues to be human hybrids introduced into the general populace – in a timely and continual fashion.

Those cultural and religious influences, which were established for us, simply foudationalize those genetic changes introduced into this human biological system of ours.

Enlightening the human race can only be accomplished in a gradual manner.

Those performing this task have a vested interest in doing so – it is not for our benefit alone, although we do indeed benefit.

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Reaching the moon was first imagined - then realized, was it not?

The moon is there and was reached by overcoming technical and physical problems, somewhat different than gene splicing aliens replacing the human race with hybrids. Only one of the previous is not a delusion.

You seem to be arguing with yourself

What's new?

Adversarial, mean-spirited and hostile dialog does not appeal to me, whatsoever.

Delusional paranoid ramblings do not appeal to me, what's your point?

The mechanism used, in part, to shepherd human evolution has been and continues to be human hybrids introduced into the general populace – in a timely and continual fashion.

My point exactly!

Enlightenment is the acquisition, integration and utilization of information. As we become informed, we evolve out of our ignorance – so that day-by-day we evolve from a state of ignorance to one of being informed.

This happens on many levels – we are continually becoming more informed, and thereby losing our ignorance. Today we are more informed than we were yesterday – we are more understanding of our surroundings and the world – the universe – in which we find ourselves. Throughout history we have evolved out of our ignorance as it pertains to those things with which we interact.

It is our continual condition – our fate as it were for us to be evolving out of our ignorance at all times. Evolution exists in many forms. But whatever form it takes, nevertheless, it remains a constant companion of ours.

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I for one, fail to see the advantage in participating in such dialog.

dialog does not appeal to me, whatsoever.


When you look closer at just what Jocariah is stating, they would rather not engage in discussion or dialog with either their controller or other party but rather be ignorant of the truth and just continue to be someone or somethings puppet.

Interesting perspective, NOT!
Reminds me of an ostrich with their head in the dirt and giving off hot air.
:D

Alligators, if memory serves me correctly, have existed by most counts for more than 200 million years. In all of that time, their intellect has not evolved. They exist now as they were, so many millions of years ago.

An infinite number of creatures spanning millions of years, and only man has evolved intellectually.

Evolution alone does not create intellectual capacity – regardless of the time involved.

Humans have been shepherded - genetically altered at keys points – along their evolutionary journey, to enhance their intellect.

The problem is, we are unaware of our shepherds.

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Jocariah, you can be a sheep if you want but I'm not going to bow to the beck and call of some self-ascended being or human, I doubt I'm the only that would feel this way.
I don't perpetuate that I'm greater than others, or that the human race is the higher species but I'm not perpetuating we should be trod underfoot either.

What annoys me is to see the aspect of attitude that we must be sooooo small to everything else, or that we generate bloated self opinionations of grandure. What I mean is if we found a planet of what would be deemed lesser evolved lifeforms, would we condemn them to believe we were their gods? To some this would be a way of manipulating their society for their own goals, however who says that needs to be a planet of lesser beings, how about poorly educated ones that could potentially be fed alot of bogus information in regards to particular espionage schemes?

Heres a point, "The Wizard of Oz" was a magnificant wizard that people trekked miles to attempt to catch a glimpse of him or his wizardry, however within the story you eventually find that the Wizard himself is just a nerd with a big ass computer controlling smoke and mirror effects to "please" those that saw him.

(In the real world that wouldn't be about pleasing, it would be about control or money).

Hello Stryderunknown,

Whatever we are, we are – whether sheep or gods. The perspective I imagine depending on what is at hand; our present circumstance.

Some religions consider us all sheep – yet we can create life in a test tube.

Maybe our answer is all of the above. We exist in many facets simultaniously.

It may be that those over us have higher beings over them as well – so on and so forth, so that the hierarchy spans many levels, or tiers if you will.

All creatures are somebody’s water boys, I imagine.

Cheers

"All things are possible, so long as they abide by the laws and precepts inherant within the universe - irrespective of whether those very laws and precepts are known to us or not ."

It is the possibility of those things unknown or even unimagined that we must allow for. We should be diligent to see to it that our perspectives remain malleable – ever at the ready to entertain those things, ideas and such, which we could never on our own have imagined.

Evolution, our personal evolution, is part and parcel of our humanness - unique to the individual.

Should not we therefore remain open to all possibilities – even those, which might not align themselves with our beliefs, or our understanding of the world in which we live?

Our perspective is ours alone - we can choose whether or not to allow for any possibility.

Why should we close off our minds simply because we can neither understand nor imagine it.

Entertain the possibility of the unimaginable...

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To my way of thinking, it’s always about perspective. Mine has been inexorably altered by my experiences, so that I have been forced to entertain the unimaginable.

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To my way of thinking, it’s always about perspective. Mine has been inexorably altered by my experiences, so that I have been forced to entertain the unimaginable.


Your perspective seems to accept everything that these others tell you and your influenced by your feelings. You have not even checked to find out if this entire scenario is correct or not, or if this entire scenario is acceptable or not. But you find it okay to spread the information about it without checking for acceptablity and authority.

Therefore, you are a puppet and spreading someones lies and mis-truths.

The unimaginable is possible. All things are possible, so long as they abide by the laws of the universe – irrespective of whether or not we know those laws. Our problem, if one might choose to call it that, is that we, for the most part, are ignorant of those laws.

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Our thought process gives us the opportunity to choose what it is that we entertain. We may choose whether or not we will entertain something.

Rather than choosing whether or not to believe something, we may simply see it as information that may or may not be of interest to us at the time, and if it is of interest, we have the option to remain neutral as to its validity from our perspective (i.e., deciding whether we believe it to be true or not).

Nothing says a decision needs to be made with regard to everything we encounter. One has the option – at all times – of remaining neutral on any numbers of things that might be encountered.

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No need for us to entertain those things that are not of interest – and those things that are of interest, for the most part, don’t need a decision limited to a right/wrong, good/bad or true/false choice.

All things need not be pigeonholed in such a fashion.

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