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are they essentially self destructive or creative? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6594554782453026779&q=humans%21)

What's the difference between creation and destruction?

creative - progressive, capable of solving problems

destructive - retrogressive, capable of causing problems

obviously we see both things there .... the question is what are they essentially

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What's the difference between creation and destruction?

You are fricking lame.

are they essentially self destructive or creative? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6594554782453026779&q=humans%21)

That was an instructional video... really. "Humans are destructive 'n shit!"

Thanks for enlightening us all.

Honestly.

Essentially destructive or creative?

I'd say it's too complicated to say, really... I mean, we don't know enough to say. In some circumstances, humans are pretty damn cool. In others, we're pretty bad. But we've gotten this far, haven't we? We've laid down the foundations. We've started the whole science infection, which is amazing. That's an excellent thing in itself. I don't see anything stopping the infection from continuing infecting. Which is great. So yeah, there are stupid people to slow progress. But historically, it's always been the freaks, the super smart, the super abnormal who have changed things permanently and who have made serious contributions--it's always been the elite--no regular has made any difference.

The destructive have nothing on the creative.

Which automatically, gives favor to the creative.

Both.

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We can't help ourselves...

We're a manner of failure which is masked by what appears to be a spectacular success.

Paradoxically, we create by destroying, and destroy by creating, since our survival requires the transformation of the environment around us in order to fabricate the artificial conditions we require.

We appear to have reached the point at which harmony with the ecosystem of the planet is detrimental to our continued existence - at least as we have contrived to exist. (eg - in numbers so vast that we must "manufacture" the means to provide sustainance for ourselves).

We're not parasites, we're cancer.
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We can't help ourselves...

We're a manner of failure which is masked by what appears to be a spectacular success.

Paradoxically, we create by destroying, and destroy by creating, since our survival requires the transformation of the environment around us in order to fabricate the artificial conditions we require.


We appear to have reached the point at which harmony with the ecosystem of the planet is detrimental to our continued existence - at least as we have contrived to exist. (eg - in numbers so vast that we must "manufacture" the means to provide sustainance for ourselves).

We're not parasites, we're cancer.
;)

then it raises the q, what if we didn't make artificial demands?

Is it possible for us to distinguish between an artificial demand and a real one, or are we too MTVified?

We're not parasites, we're cancer.

Unfortunately, I think we're both! And even more unfortunate, we're damned good at being both!! :D

Baron Max

then it raises the q, what if we didn't make artificial demands?

Is it possible for us to distinguish between an artificial demand and a real one, or are we too MTVified?

It seems to me to be a tough call.

For example:

Food.

Doesn't sound artificial, but look at the "un-natural" conditions we have to create in order to produce enough of it:

Farms so large they can only be worked practically by machines, fertilized and kept pest-free by chemicals which cause a host of side-effects, from water pollution to cancer.

Animal herds so large that in order to keep the diseases which arise as a result of crowding so many of the critters together in close quarters that they have to be dosed up with anti-biotics, and "beefed up" with hormones & whatnot to plump 'em up ASAP & to "maxi-mass".


Or what about an iPod ?

It seems at first glance to be wholly artificial, but what if music is an inherent need of the human psyche ?
I recently listened to an National Public Radio piece in which an author detailed the claim that the shared experience of concerts, dancing en masse at clubs & whatnot was the modern manifestation of a "shared joy" experience which dated back to "cave man times" (not her exact words, but I can't remember 'em).
Granted, the means of delivering the "need" would seem to have become so disorted as to remove the shared portion of the experience in the case of this little gizmo with speakers you plug into your ears (although there's that other one that can zip off the files to other like machines, I think... Zune or something I believe it's called), but in essence it seems like a lot of other distortions modern society has imposed on other "tribal" traditions/experiences.

Unless I'm talking pure hooey, of course.
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Unfortunately, I think we're both! And even more unfortunate, we're damned good at being both!!

Baron Max

There's still hope we'll use "radiation therapy" on ourselves !
:D
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Until you can start heliotroping, you ain't nothin but destructive.

It seems at first glance to be wholly artificial, but what if music is an inherent need of the human psyche ?

Music is an interesting example as there was a period in time where one may have heard his favorite song a number of times in his life that he could count on the digits of his hands. His hands and toes if he were lucky.

Of course, this goes only for those with 'refined' tastes and like music with high production values. The more common man who finds "chicken in the straw" to be his favorite song might well hear it more times than he can easily count, but still few enough times to make the experience meaningful.

In today's society, we are inundated with music. So much so that it fails to stir as it once did.
We are jaded.
And a key piece of our humanity is lost due to overstimulation.

Something has to change.
Un-deniable dilemma.
Boredoms not a burden
Anyone should bear.

Constant over stimulation numbs me
But I wouldnt want you
Any other way.

Just, not enough.
I need more.
Nothing seems to satisfy.
I said, I dont want it.
I just need it.
To breathe, to feel, to know Im alive.
Stinkfist - Tool

it all depends on what you are relating it to.

every action you take is both constructive and destructive to different things (and sometimes the same thing) but it depends on what you are doing.

writing on a piece of paper is constructive in that it gets ideas flowing out of your mind. but it is destructive in the sense that you are breaking down the graphite in the pencil (not to mention the trees that were cut down to make the paper).

its like this; everything that we view of as a distinguishable entity can be seen as a single wave. in physics, when two or more waves meet and interact, there is constructive interference and destructive interference. constructive happens when the crests of the two waves line up--the wave is amplified. destructive happens when the crest of one wave lines up with the trough of another--the waves are distorted or even cancelled out completely.

the same can be said about any action.

To quote Graham Greene, "destruction after all is a form of creation."

To quote Graham Greene, "destruction after all is a form of creation."

yes.
the old must make way for the new, the new must become the old, etc...