http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3Apremonition&btnG=Search

Why is it that the undereducated seem always to be the ones with special powers, contacts with aliens, or connections with the afterlife?

There are at least four threads on the opening page of this subforum with premonition spelled preminition.

I used to get all irked and bothered when I saw misspellings, especially in ads and contracts that are SUPPOSED to be proofed before going to print. I always said I had an inner English teacher.

Well, Andrew Jackson seems to have reached across time to slap my inner English teacher firmly on her behind with this quote:

"It's a small mind that can only think of one way to spell a word."

Old Hickory pretty much put her in her place with that one! :eek: :o ;)

Why is it that the undereducated seem always to be the ones with special powers, contacts with aliens, or connections with the afterlife?


Well, I reckon it's either because stupidity and gullibility go hand in hand, or, that they are clever enough to know they are stupid and need to self aggrandise.

It may be they believe they possess special powers, etc. and therefore don't feel the need to get educated. They probably watch too much TV.

Should we start a spell-checker thread and make it sticky? Everytime somebody mis-spells a word, one of us cleverdicks puts it up on the thread with the addition of the correct version.

If it were simply a misspelled word, who would care? But it's the larger correlation that is interesting. The correlation of ignorance to belief. THAT's what's interesting. We all misspell words, but THIS one is consistently misspelled in the thread titles of no less than four separate threads.

Should we start a spell-checker thread and make it sticky? Everytime somebody mis-spells a word, one of us cleverdicks puts it up on the thread with the addition of the correct version.

I would say no. ;) Because another corrected copy of the posts made by the idiots Rabon and Buddah1, along with the natural lazy, sloppiness of Duendy would soon clog the system. :D

That might make it fun.

THIS one is consistently misspelled in the thread titles of no less than four separate threads

Maybe its the same person with sock puppets.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3Apremonition&btnG=Search

Why is it that the undereducated seem always to be the ones with special powers, contacts with aliens, or connections with the afterlife?

There are at least four threads on the opening page of this subforum with premonition spelled preminition.


I'm guilty of mispelling the word, but in my defense it's not something thats used in the real world frequently (especially not in any technical fields).

Unfortunate to the assertion, I am not undereducated, nor have special powers, nor have been contacted by aliens, nor have connections with the afterlife.

A slacked jaw might make for a discrepancy when speaking the word, hence it is spelled as it sounds. ;)

hukd on foniks?

A slacked jaw might make for a discrepancy when speaking the word, hence it is spelled as it sounds. ;)

Could be. ;) Plus the drooling at the mouth while awaiting the next contact will also garble the pronunciation of the word.

The thing is, all of us misspell words now and then but that is far from their situation. You may also discover that a good many of them aren't old enough to even know how to spell words more complex than "dog", "cat" and "ball."

Have you also noticed that the way a lot of them spell "dimensions" actually comes pretty close to the word "demented?" :D

Mebee sumbuddy shood starrt uh thred wair wee oll spel wurdz lyk thay sownd just too see if ennybuddy can akshoouhlee reed it.

What a nice thread. I saw 'preminition' or some such variant hover around in parapsychology, I almost risked psychic powers, aliens and big foot to correct the poor bastards. But I didn't until now.

Bastards, it's spelled premonition.

ok whats the big deal with how its spelt, i posted here because it looked like a legit forum where there are actual intelligent people who will take my story and give me feedback about what they think.........i did not even think they would give me feedback on the title of my thread, if thats all you are taking from my thread than grow up or fuck off im sorry for swearing but come on take the stick out from your ass

... intelligent people ... grow up...

Intelligent adults can spell. Your point?

so let me get this straight then.....amongst the 'charming' 'educated' company here, who believe them selves to be ev er-so-superior-dont ya know.....That say a person came into your presence who was illiterate, or preliterate, then they would be LEPERS in you estimation?

so let me get this straight then.....amongst the 'charming' 'educated' company here, who believe them selves to be ev er-so-superior-dont ya know.....That say a person came into your presence who was illiterate, or preliterate, then they would be LEPERS in you estimation?

Nope, not at all. Just plain old common ordinary dummies. :D

No one is saying you are a leper, duendy. ;)
All that is being pointed out is the observation that many of the "believers" in the pseudoscience forum are also atrocious spellers (or perhaps simply too lazy to look things up) and similarly they tend to have horrible grammatical and syntax errors.
You can't blame people for wondering about the correlation.

A lot of the threads I read (on the internet in general, but from pseudoscience "believers" in particular) read as if they were written by someone who simply does not have a firm grasp on the English language.
If English is the person-in-question's first language, and he or she seems to have such a difficult time with it, it seems fairly safe to assume he or she is either ignorant (un/under-educated) or not terribly bright.
This assumption could be incorrect (perhaps, like my brother, the person is just a horrible typist, and this betrays his real intelligence), but if all you have to base judgement of a person on is that person's words, is that assumption such a an off-base one to make?
I don't care what anyone thinks of me, as long as they base their judgements on accurate information.
I happen to love language (though I CERTAINLY make my share of errors) and try to reflect that in my communication. Even if I did not, however, knowing that the only thing that a person has to base judgement of me is my words, I will put forth the effort to do my part in portraying myself accurately.

i wish you wouoldn't defend them one_raven

i can honestly say, tat in all my time at forums online i have NEVER made any reference to peoples spelling, and composition unLESS i have been attacked

i have noticed agin nd agien and again even...te types who DO attack people spelling and composition. usually it is cause they are stumped for anything worthwhile to SAY....!....so their only alternative is to strike below the belt--asit were.......i wouold feel ASHAMED to do that. it is te kind of shame i feel for the resident racists at tese forums who can call other human beings 'subnormal' cause they have 'low IQs' etc....it is o the same ilk and i fukin LOATH it, seriously

are we sying that cause someone cant spell, or even read and write that tey thus cant love....cant have deep feelings about things, have insight and intelligence, know what suffering is....etc? what a narrow arsed view. i suspect the nazis were marevelously literate as they drafted the Final Solution...........yeahhhh. get me point?

are we sying that cause someone cant spell, or even read and write that tey thus cant love....cant have deep feelings about things, have insight and intelligence, know what suffering is....etc? what a narrow arsed view.
Not in the least.
My sister is neurologically impaired.
She is a horrible speller, and her grammar is worse.
If you saw "The Other Sister" the similarities were uncanny!
She can have deep feelings about things. She loves, hates and has teh full gambit of emotions. She can have insight and intelligence on some things. She knows VERY well what suffering is.

What, however, does this have to do with having the mental capacity to objectively and rationally judge scientific evidence and come to an intelligent decision regarding Intelligent Aliens, Crater Chains, Invisible UFO's (yes, someone once posted a picture of an invisible UFO... think about that for a second... someone posted a picture of an invisible UFO in all seriousness), Ghosts, Poltergeist etc?

Not in the least.
My sister is neurologically impaired.


me::which means what exactly?

She is a horrible speller, and her grammar is worse.
If you saw "The Other Sister" the similarities were uncanny!
She can have deep feelings about things. She loves, hates and has teh full gambit of emotions. She can have insight and intelligence on some things. She knows VERY well what suffering is.

What, however, does this have to do with having the mental capacity to objectively and rationally judge scientific evidence and come to an intelligent decision regarding Intelligent Aliens, Crater Chains, Invisible UFO's (yes, someone once posted a picture of an invisible UFO... think about that for a second... someone posted a picture of an invisible UFO in all seriousness), Ghosts, Poltergeist etc?
well you tell me? what does it have to do it it? i a not sure where your comingfrom.....te way i see it is--WHO has the right to judge people stupid? for te nanosecond you do you have set yerself up haven't you. as being superior. and we know ypu he me her aint. so don fukin pretend. we are all adults here and surely we can see this.....?d you have to be a good fukin spealler to see this here whats i is sayin?

i wish you wouldn't defend them one_raven

i can honestly say, tat in all my time at forums online i have NEVER made any reference to peoples spelling, and composition unLESS i have been attacked

i have noticed agin nd agien and again even...te types who DO attack people spelling and composition. usually it is cause they are stumped for anything worthwhile to SAY....!....so their only alternative is to strike below the belt--asit were.......i wouold feel ASHAMED to do that. it is te kind of shame i feel for the resident racists at tese forums who can call other human beings 'subnormal' cause they have 'low IQs' etc....it is o the same ilk and i fukin LOATH it, seriously

are we sying that cause someone cant spell, or even read and write that tey thus cant love....cant have deep feelings about things, have insight and intelligence, know what suffering is....etc? what a narrow arsed view. i suspect the nazis were marevelously literate as they drafted the Final Solution...........yeahhhh. get me point?

Oh, come off it, Duendy. No one said anything at all like that! We're not talking about people who are genuinely mentally impaired and cannot help it.

We're talking about ordinary everyday dolts! People without enough education or concern about how they appear in print that they fall for all this junk being spread around. Naivety is another operative word. They don't know enough (for whatever reason) to be able to discern between reality and pure fantasy. They aren't silly enough to believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny but they are just barely above that level.

Albert Einstein suffered from dyslexia.

I don't care about whether or not someone can spell. I've engaged in many conversations where I've completely overlooked it. Duendy and Rabon are atrocious spellers... I don't mind it.

The purpose of this thread was two-fold: educate those "gifted" individuals on how to spell premonition; and point out the correlation between apparent educational level and "gifts."

Oh, come off it, Duendy. No one said anything at all like that! We're not talking about people who are genuinely mentally impaired and cannot help it.

We're talking about ordinary everyday dolts! People without enough education or concern about how they appear in print that they fall for all this junk being spread around. Naivety is another operative word. They don't know enough (for whatever reason) to be able to discern between reality and pure fantasy. They aren't silly enough to believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny but they are just barely above that level.
OK mr eversocleverdude....let me put YOU in te spotLIGHT for minute. forget the easter bunny for NOW. wht do you know if santa clause? i am bein very serious. what doyou know of that character?

Are you talking about the thread preminition?
In case no one noticed, it is written by a youngun'
may i suggest re-reading the statements.
Adults w/ even limited mental capacity should recognize this.

I don't care about whether or not someone can spell. I've engaged in many conversations where I've completely overlooked it. Duendy and Rabon are atrocious spellers... I don't mind it.

The purpose of this thread was two-fold: educate those "gifted" individuals on how to spell premonition; and point out the correlation between apparent educational level and "gifts."

se how you jump to conclusions?...let us mediate on that ()~()~~~~~()~ ~.....ok?
i actually am a very GOOD speller. what i admit to being is a bad typer. and my micro-keyboard and system dont help. please imprint this confession on your consciousness....thankyou

I don't care about whether or not someone can spell. I've engaged in many conversations where I've completely overlooked it. Duendy and Rabon are atrocious spellers... I don't mind it.

The purpose of this thread was two-fold: educate those "gifted" individuals on how to spell premonition; and point out the correlation between apparent educational level and "gifts."

The correlation was purely derogatory and cowardly however in my humble opinion. Better to attack their beliefs directly than making weak inferences such as poor grammar = poor ideas.

Ideas are so much more important than correct spelling.

peace

c20

OK mr eversocleverdude....let me put YOU in te spotLIGHT for minute. forget the easter bunny for NOW. wht do you know if santa clause? i am bein very serious. what doyou know of that character?

Well, I know there have been at least two fellows long ago that donned the persona in order to bring a little joy into the lives of children in orphan homes. Both were in Europe. I can well imagine there have been several others also, over the years.

Is that what you had in mind?

The correlation was purely derogatory and cowardly however in my humble opinion. Better to attack their beliefs directly than making weak inferences such as poor grammar = poor ideas.

Ideas are so much more important than correct spelling.

peace

c20

Hello, C20,

I think you're overlooking the point some of us are trying to make. Sloppiness in writing can very well be an indication of a sloppy attitude in general. People unwilling to pay attention to common, ordinary things like spelling and grammar are likely to be sloppy in their thinking as well. As a professional, I've seen that very correlation many, many times. Their whole attitude toward everything is lazy. Clear thinking takes effort and many of them won't bother to put forth the effort.

Well, I know there have been at least two fellows long ago that donned the persona in order to bring a little joy into the lives of children in orphan homes. Both were in Europe. I can well imagine there have been several others also, over the years.

Is that what you had in mind?
No my 'smart'ypants' it isn't. santa clause is connected with 'satan'(anagram..?)--and shamanism, and the white and red psychedelic mushroom the Amanita Mucaria......!it is NOT just cutesy woootsie thing you find on kitsch cards

Hello, C20,

I think you're overlooking the point some of us are trying to make. Sloppiness in writing can very well be an indication of a sloppy attitude in general. People unwilling to pay attention to common, ordinary things like spelling and grammar are likely to be sloppy in their thinking as well. As a professional, I've seen that very correlation many, many times. Their whole attitude toward everything is lazy. Clear thinking takes effort and many of them won't bother to put forth the effort.

Lack of decent education or having a condition like dyslexia is not reflective of a person's ability to think clearly about ideas that interest them. They are in the unfortunate position of not being able to express those ideas in a written form that is wholly acceptable to those who have the benefit of a good education.

My personal opinion is that those with the benefit of a good education, should be magnanimous enough to overlook bad grammar. Rip apart the ideas by all means. The ideas are well formed enough despite the lack grammar to facilitate the deconstruction of them. Using the lack of grammar as part of the deconstruction process is crass and smacks of intellectual snobbery imo.

In a verbal debate, you would not be able to make this correlation at all.

peace

c20

Right On.............!

Also for lots of people, English is not their first language. God help me if I ever have to communicate one of my ideas on a French forum. I wouldn't want to be dismissed as a complete retard because I didn't know my masculine from my feminine!

peace

c20

Lack of decent education or having a condition like dyslexia is not reflective of a person's ability to think clearly about ideas that interest them. They are in the unfortunate position of not being able to express those ideas in a written form that is wholly acceptable to those who have the benefit of a good education.

My personal opinion is that those with the benefit of a good education, should be magnanimous enough to overlook bad grammar. Rip apart the ideas by all means. The ideas are well formed enough despite the lack grammar to facilitate the deconstruction of them. Using the lack of grammar as part of the deconstruction process is crass and smacks of intellectual snobbery imo.

In a verbal debate, you would not be able to make this correlation at all.

peace

c20

Chill, man! You're going way past the point we're talking about.

I took this whole business to be only about the narrow group that are the same ones that fall for every slick con job that comes along. Therapeutic magnets, snake oil, gremlins, goblins, psychic "seers", fortune-tellers, 1-800-dial-a-psychic, palm readers, and all the rest of that mindless junk.

NOT people who were unable to make it through school, not ones for whom English is a second or third language. Just people who are silly enough to fall for just about anything - and the world is FULL of them. They aren't demented, disabled or deprived. They just do not make the mental effort to separate reality from foolish fantasy. If they sat down and gave it some serious thought, they'd see that there's nothing at all to that stuff.

There's no snobbery involved here - at least not in my case. And "verbal debate" isn't the right platform to determine this. If I still had my papers from when I was teaching I could show you perfect collaboration for what I've asserted. This is the same general group of people that usually amount to little in life. Why? Because they refuse to pay attention to detail. They ignore when it's time to make a payment on their car, and then complain when it's taken from them. The same ones that buy some useless trinket shown in a TV ad for $19.95. They pay another $10 to get it shipped to them and then toss it in a corner because it doesn't do what was claimed. They have a strong tendency to go through their whole lives that way. Always behind, never getting ahead. They are sloppy, inattentive and it shows in everything they do.

No my 'smart'ypants' it isn't. santa clause is connected with 'satan'(anagram..?)--and shamanism, and the white and red psychedelic mushroom the Amanita Mucaria......!it is NOT just cutesy woootsie thing you find on kitsch cards

Go away with that, Duendy, I don't even want to hear that from an admitted junkie.

Source (http://www.parapsych.org/members/r_morris_obit_carr.html)

Morris was only too aware of the dangers of misconstruing normal events as paranormal. Indeed he was able to apply his sophisticated knowledge of the psychology of deception to explain how people can be purposefully deceived by others or unpurposefully deceive themselves. He also encouraged dialogue with skeptics, or “counter-advocates” as he preferred to describe them (since he believed that all parapsychologists should be skeptical) and this helped to defuse the antipathy towards the subject.

I am chilled :)

The bit in bold is where I am coming from. People will be put off discussing these subjects if they think they are being pre-judged on their spelling.

peace

c20

Source (http://www.parapsych.org/members/r_morris_obit_carr.html)

Morris was only too aware of the dangers of misconstruing normal events as paranormal. Indeed he was able to apply his sophisticated knowledge of the psychology of deception to explain how people can be purposefully deceived by others or unpurposefully deceive themselves. He also encouraged dialogue with skeptics, or “counter-advocates” as he preferred to describe them (since he believed that all parapsychologists should be skeptical) and this helped to defuse the antipathy towards the subject.

I am chilled :)

The bit in bold is where I am coming from. People will be put off discussing these subjects if they think they are being pre-judged on their spelling.

peace

c20

Very good! Now that I can agree with. :)

Go away with that, Duendy, I don't even want to hear that from an admitted junkie.
...................so Light. you used to be a techer...? god ELP te po fukers in YOURclass then. what comple ignoramous you are masquerading as some smart arse. it is a sad speactacle, i mean it. i wouldn't layinto you if from he very first i have not had the arrogant Light-attitude in my face, as have others at tese forums

what did you teach????

what you are is 'efficient'...you love efficiency dont ya? the central industrial'fascist motivator. being 'efficient' is like being a machine-part in ote words. if you are not efficient you are a useless cog in the Machine. tats you philosophy, no?...jeeesus i can just imagine handin in an esay at school, college etc to someone like you. bet it'd conme back wid all crossings and snidey comments. remember onc i did tis essay at Uni...and this silly dick of a tutur crossed out 'petite bourgeoise' and replaced it wit 'middle class'...silly fuker, i knew what he mant. he was trying to claim was being pretentious. but i had WANTED to use tose terms. .....like sometimes i passionately type and words go askew, or a fuk about wid words. tat is me...people like you are control freaks. pests.

and as for 'junkie'--yet again it speaks volumes for your ignorance. actually it is a very very insulting term, and shows you have absolutely no compassion fro people with hard drug habits, by callin tem 'junkies'. they HATE it!!

no ....that term IS derogatory, but it in no way includes psychedelics, for tey aren't physically addictive. you are of the mindset that just plonks all te varieites of drugs --illegal drugs as 'junkie'...bet yr dont call your 'meds' if yer one em, or yer frinds are on em--JUNK do ya? ohhhhh no. they are REAL drugs aren't they?...or booze. did you kno alcohol is a drug? yip. it is 'junkie' to mention that

LIGHT? you are boring tedious person wit not much to say. all you do is insult and gossip the day ad night time long. while your here can you not LEARN?

Yes, Duendy, I was a college professor for a good many years. But if you've made the slightest effort to find my short one-page bio, you'd already have known that by now. Just another example of your laziness, eh?

Sure, I know "junkie" is an insulting term, and I meant it precisely that way. But from what you clearly said earlier, LSD trips are the only way you ever learn anything. So nobody, including me, expects you to know much.

Oh - and I had some VERY fine students. And I only flunked two over several years' time. Just about all of them were highly intelligent and motivated. Bad grades were rare.

You keep complaining that I don't say much - just what do you want me to talk about?

Yes, Duendy, I was a college professor for a good many years. But if you've made the slightest effort to find my short one-page bio, you'd already have known that by now. Just another example of your laziness, eh?

me::asked you twice where it is......checked your name etc......so where is it

Sure, I know "junkie" is an insulting term, and I meant it precisely that way. But from what you clearly said earlier, LSD trips are the only way you ever learn anything. So nobody, including me, expects you to know much.

me::you complete ignorance about this amazes me. actually YOU could do with some. sooooner the better!

Oh - and I had some VERY fine students. And I only flunked two over several years' time. Just about all of them were highly intelligent and motivated. Bad grades were rare.

me::its not about grades. its about being human!

You keep complaining that I don't say much - just what do you want me to talk about?
something intelligent for a change?

i just am angry at those who started this thread because i am just trying to figure out a big problem, or gift, or random occurance(twice) i was just trying to figure that out and this forum seemed liked a decent forum to help me out with this.....im not saying i have not recieved any help from other users on this forum, they have posted on my thread and for that i thank them for their time, and those who are taking the corner in the debate on spelling i thank them also. when i first read this thread i was angry now im happy to see that some good-hearted people are taking my corner(thats right my corner as well as others, i personally saw this thread as humiliating to me and my intelligence, if you hate just do it elsewhere even though im still a newb here, all im looking for is help and to those who have i again say thank you

Good morning and fuck off!

Hey... just kidding, now fiuck off.

Your honour, I plead mitigating circumstances; I am DRUNK your honour... yes. I'm happy to say that I have been imbibing champagne for 6 hours straight and I am as happy as a bumble bee in a bumble, so excuse the French and somewhat rabid remarks but... fuck off.:D

ok you are a sorry son of a bitch and a fucking loser so fuck you asshole

Wrong! Chill out bro' and smell the silliness; we ARE allowed to get silly from time to time you know? Now fuck off.

how u expect me to chill out with the crap im trying to figure out, why dont u go be silly on your own time and not waste that of others

But this thread is not about you, except merely by assosiation with the wrong spelling of premonition; in fact, it's one of those silly type threads that is only half serious that we all enjoy so much, so, don't read it.

But this thread is not about you, except merely by assosiation with the wrong spelling of premonition; in fact, it's one of those silly type threads that is only half serious that we all enjoy so much, so, don't read it.
alright tbla...maybe you was pissed etc....but this threa ISfukin serious. it has been an attempt to humilate not only someone who posted a thread, but all people who for whatever reason dont spell etc to the specification of the local gang of control-freaks who take it upon themselves to NOT just politely point out a word may be spelled wrong, in a FRIENDLY and courteous manney....NO, but t actually start a thread intending to humiliate. THAT sucks and is serious and need showing up for what it is!

Then there are those who not only lack syntax but quote an entire post only to add a few words of nonsense, eh duendy?

Then there are those who not only lack syntax but quote an entire post only to add a few words of nonsense, eh duendy?
hmmmmm well your sceptic bias self would take that attitude, eh (Q)?

I didn't think you'd get it. Now you're quoting entire posts and not adding anything at all.

Seeking negative attention? Haven't quite grown up yet?

ok (Q), how old are you? you are doing exactly what you are accusing duendy of doing, and that is adding nothing at all(to a thread) and seeking negative attention. i am only nineteen but at least i am trying to be logical and adding to a forum rather than breaking others down and being senseless

This thread is aimed directly at you and duendy, amongst others. It's main purpose is to show that those who are lazy and refuse to spend the time exercising their grammatical prowess are lazy in their thought process and comprehension skills as well, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

You say you're 19, which means you're probably in high school or just out. Yet, you don't appear to have even passed remedial English.

If you're here to learn that premonitions are complete nonsense, then you're correct in regards to your claim of logic. If you believe otherwise, you're no better than duendy.

This thread is aimed directly at you and duendy, amongst others. It's main purpose is to show that those who are lazy and refuse to spend the time exercising their grammatical prowess are lazy in their thought process and comprehension skills as well, and shouldn't be taken seriously.


This is nonsense. Anyone who doesn't agree with (Q) period, is a retard according to (Q).

You say you're 19, which means you're probably in high school or just out. Yet, you don't appear to have even passed remedial English.

Childish condescension. Do you get off on this (Q)? Does it make you feel like a big man?

If you're here to learn that premonitions are complete nonsense, then you're correct in regards to your claim of logic. If you believe otherwise, you're no better than duendy.

Which leaves the poster in a very awkward position don't you think? Agree with you about the issue of premonition or face ridicule!

bah

c20

This is nonsense. Anyone who doesn't agree with (Q) period, is a retard according to (Q).

It appears reading the bible has addled your comprehension skills as well.

So, you support the slothful?

Agree with you about the issue of premonition or face ridicule!

No, just logic.

This is nonsense. Anyone who doesn't agree with (Q) period, is a retard according to (Q).

It appears reading the bible has addled your comprehension skills as well.


Yes (Q). Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

So, you support the slothful?

I don't support the bigotted. I do support those who want to do more than just ridicule and I just would never take someone's literary ability into account and certainly would never use a lack of it to try and devalue the points they are debating. That is just crass. Are you aware how you come across on these boards?


Agree with you about the issue of premonition or face ridicule!

No, just logic.

Logical as in say all the stuff that preceeded the big bang? Stuff we all understand so very clearly? :rolleyes:

I think you did a real good job of welcoming a new member to the forum (Q). A real good example. :rolleyes:

c20

Yes (Q). Whatever you say.

That's much better.

I do support those who want to do more than just ridicule and I just would never take someone's literary ability into account and certainly would never use a lack of it to try and devalue the points they are debating.

Then, you do support the slothful. That would make sense considering you believe in imaginary beings.

Logical as in say all the stuff that preceeded the big bang? Stuff we all understand so very clearly?

I know nothing of what happened before the Big Bang, neither does anyone else. What's your point? Is it that you don't understand the theory? Is it that the hard evidence and observations conflict with your biblical myths?

I think you did a real good job of welcoming a new member to the forum (Q). A real good example.

I don't welcome the slothful as you do. Birds of a feather, I suppose...

Are you aware how you come across on these boards?

Like a hammer on an anvil, yes I know. At least I don't follow fairy tales, myths and pseudoscience. My imagination does not rule my thought process.

You, and others here, cannot make the same claim. That is how you come across on these boards.

Yes (Q). Whatever you say.

That's much better.


I'm sure you would like everyone to bow to your will. Unlucky. You will have to make do with the fantasy that you are to be held in such regard.

[I do support those who want to do more than just ridicule and I just would never take someone's literary ability into account and certainly would never use a lack of it to try and devalue the points they are debating.

Then, you do support the slothful. That would make sense considering you believe in imaginary beings.


Literary ability has nothing to do with laziness in so far as you would have us believe. People come on to SciForums to discuss stuff that interests them. They do not expect to have those ideas judged on whether they can type perfect English or not. Like I have said before, if we were debating verbally, you wouldn't be able to make any such correlation. Some people are better at certain academic subjects than others but this says nothing about their laziness. Should I call you lazy because you aren't fluent in 12 computer languages?

[Logical as in say all the stuff that preceeded the big bang? Stuff we all understand so very clearly?

I know nothing of what happened before the Big Bang, neither does anyone else. What's your point? Is it that you don't understand the theory? Is it that the hard evidence and observations conflict with your biblical myths?

I have no strong feelings about the big bang. It's a very interesting theory and one I understand well enough. In no way does it conflict with the idea of a Creator in my opinion.

[I think you did a real good job of welcoming a new member to the forum (Q). A real good example.

I don't welcome the slothful as you do. Birds of a feather, I suppose...

You equate slothfulness with poor grammar. Not something I think you can accuse me of. I think it is lazier to ignore the points somebody is making, using the excuse that their lack of literary expertise correlates to their lack of intelligent thought.

c20

Are you aware how you come across on these boards?

Like a hammer on an anvil, yes I know

CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG! It might even make a difference if there was something substantial that you were forging!

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I'm sure you would like everyone to bow to your will. Unlucky. You will have to make do with the fantasy that you are to be held in such regard.

hehe, so gullible are you.

They do not expect to have those ideas judged on whether they can type perfect English or not.

Perfect? Try legible for a start.

Should I call you lazy because you aren't fluent in 12 computer languages?

What does that have to do with synthesis and syntax?

I'm not fluent in gibberish either. Yet, those of who you defend are.

It's a very interesting theory and one I understand well enough.

No, I don't think you do understand it.

In no way does it conflict with the idea of a Creator in my opinion.

Oh yes, a magical being waving his magical hand.

the excuse that their lack of literary expertise correlates to their lack of intelligent thought.

It is a fact, not an excuse.

It might even make a difference if there was something substantial that you were forging!

You mean like propagating the ideals of gods, demons, angels, spirits, and such?

Look out below! I've just sent one of my many evil minions to gnash on your netheregions. Will you be sending out the angel brigade to defend yourself?

I'm sure you would like everyone to bow to your will. Unlucky. You will have to make do with the fantasy that you are to be held in such regard.

hehe, so gullible are you.


touché :p

They do not expect to have those ideas judged on whether they can type perfect English or not.

Perfect? Try legible for a start.


Poor thing. Only a dolt wouldn't be able to pick their way through the broken English. 'duendy' is probably the worst offender but there isn't a single post of his that i cannot understand.

Should I call you lazy because you aren't fluent in 12 computer languages?

What does that have to do with synthesis and syntax?


You mean to tell me that you cannot understand what duendy is saying?

I'm not fluent in gibberish either. Yet, those of who you defend are.

It's a good job I am fluent in gibberish or 'Yet, those of who you defend are.' would make no sense whatsoever. Terrible use of the English language.
'Yet, those whom you defend are.'
But why be pedantic!?!

It's a very interesting theory and one I understand well enough.

No, I don't think you do understand it.


Oh well.

In no way does it conflict with the idea of a Creator in my opinion.

Oh yes, a magical being waving his magical hand.

And your counter argument is what?

the excuse that their lack of literary expertise correlates to their lack of intelligent thought.

It is a fact, not an excuse.

CLANG CLANG CLANG. Was Einstein unintelligent? If Einstein could type his theories here, perhaps you would write him off as being devoid of intellectual thought too, given that his dyslexia would be hard to miss in written communication?

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Only a dolt wouldn't be able to pick their way through the broken English.

Sorry, us dolts usually don't bother wading through broken English. I suppose next you'll be telling me those who write broken English aren't the dolts?

You mean to tell me that you cannot understand what duendy is saying?

Mostly no, but I've since given up reading his posts as he engages to maverick his own brand of colloquialisms and grammatical abominations.

'Yet, those whom you defend are.'
But why be pedantic!?!

Touche.

And your counter argument is what?

The universe made itself. It came into existence all on its own. No magic required.

If Einstein could type his theories here, perhaps you would write him off as being devoid of intellectual thought too, given that his dyslexia would be hard to miss in written communication?

Can you provide examples of these alleged written communiques? I doubt it. Once again, your penchant for myth is your undoing.

When he was seven his mother wrote, “Yesterday Albert received his grades, he was again number one, his report card was brilliant.”

Abraham Pais, stated in the biography, Subtle is the Lord: The Science and Life of Albert Einstein, “the widespread belief that he was a ppor student is unfounded.”

Literary ability has nothing to do with laziness in so far as you would have us believe. People come on to SciForums to discuss stuff that interests them. They do not expect to have those ideas judged on whether they can type perfect English or not. Like I have said before, if we were debating verbally, you wouldn't be able to make any such correlation. Some people are better at certain academic subjects than others but this says nothing about their laziness. Should I call you lazy because you aren't fluent in 12 computer languages?
You equate slothfulness with poor grammar. Not something I think you can accuse me of. I think it is lazier to ignore the points somebody is making, using the excuse that their lack of literary expertise correlates to their lack of intelligent thought.

c20

Just a couple of points here, C20, that I believe are valid.

First, being fluent in 12 computer languages is absolutely not necessary for clear communications among ordinary people. And I don't think anyone is looking down on those for whom English is a second or third language. (For example, it's Duendy's native tongue.)

Second, I'm sure you've heard the expression "anything worth doing is worth doing well." That applies equally as much to the written word as it does to anything else.

as i have already already explained ...a million times........i have a micro keyboard where all the usual symbols and keys are on opposite sides............my server cuts me off after a short time..........i sometimes have to explain difficult communications trying to findmy way into closed mindes clipped arrogant static worldviews.........hehe.......so of course mistakes happen. for i am not a professional typer neithers.......i am wondering. d you'll complaning have acess to deleting paragraphs etc, and etc? i dont. if i look up ad have made a typo i'd have to back to it a click at a time. whish means time's running out and my flow' running out. case i improvize

i am noticing the pattern, that it is te cynics, the arrgant pseudosceptics who adhgere to a ultra materialistic world view who making themost fuss and get their knickers in a right twist if i say do thiiiiiis, orrrr FuK abouuty wid language. this i find amisin. (Q) actuallymsaid the term 'abominaton' to condemn the 'evil'...well, excuuuuse me. thatlanguage is striaght putta the BIBLE mate.....
you see ytour god is LOGOS. ORDER. and tisis why it has caused you such a righteously indignant freak out.....so i say. dont read me if it bothers you

alllso. what exactly do you THINK??...its one thing critcizing others' ideas. bt maaan, tis is a debatin forum case you hadn't npticed. you never EXPLAI for example what te Big Bang means? ......you said for ewxaple, there's no magic in it? what you mean......you see, that very stATEment is a philosophical worldview. the irony is you not REALIZING THIS....!

SO WHOSE STOOOPID NOW?

I suppose next you'll be telling me those who write broken English aren't the dolts?


Duh .. that's what I've been saying from the start! :rolleyes:

Just a couple of points here, C20, that I believe are valid.

First, being fluent in 12 computer languages is absolutely not necessary for clear communications among ordinary people. And I don't think anyone is looking down on those for whom English is a second or third language. (For example, it's Duendy's native tongue.)


Do you 'look down' on people who use poor written grammar in their native tongue? Isn't that vanity? How can you be sure you are being objective within a debate if you are totally 'discounting' the voice of someone who does not live up to your grammatical expectations of them?

Second, I'm sure you've heard the expression "anything worth doing is worth doing well." That applies equally as much to the written word as it does to anything else.

Sure. Anything worth doing is doing well. Including socialising with different folk from around the world on the net, all with different contraints and freedoms.
Tolerance is worth doing well.

peace

c20

Do you 'look down' on people who use poor written grammar in their native tongue? Isn't that vanity? How can you be sure you are being objective within a debate if you are totally 'discounting' the voice of someone who does not live up to your grammatical expectations of them?

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No, I don't "look down" on them - you're just being too petty with that.

As to my expectations , it's only the simple things. I'm not "expecting" anyone to follow all the complex rules of grammar. Plain, simple statements are best for clarity. I also like short and to the point and dislike long, rambling, disconnected posts. (I don't abhor them, they're just tiring and detract from the writer's main point.) Preferably, just say what you want to say and move on.

The universe made itself. It came into existence all on its own. No magic required.

I think the only honest scientific answer is 'we don't know' ;) since radio telescopes can only 'see' so far back. In my opinion, the idea of the universe 'creating itself' is just as magical as the alternatives.

Since we're talking about Einstein, I assume you know he said "The rational mind is a faithful servant; the intuitive mind a sacred gift"?

Yes, and I've heard it claimed that Einstein was dyslexic, ADHD, autistic... I rather doubt that all of those could be correct.

Believe it or not (and I don't care who believes me, I know what I know), I had a premonition when I started this thread.


It was that it would get more responses than the thread titled, "Preminitions."

wow skinwalker ur pretty full of your self asshole

I don't care if you don't believe me... you can't prove I didn't so bugger off.

Believe it or not (and I don't care who believes me, I know what I know), I had a premonition when I started this thread.


It was that it would get more responses than the thread titled, "Preminitions."

I had the same feeling early on. Except I called mine an "educated guess." ;)

By the way, have you noticed that the infamous Dwayne Rabon has sort of disappeared since everyone has become aware of what his problem is? I sort of had a "premonition" about that one, too.

Using the lack of grammar as part of the deconstruction process is crass and smacks of intellectual snobbery imo.I am a crass intellectual snob. Are you suggesting I suppress my natural character in order to avoid offending those who offend me with every misspelled word, each poorly punctuated sentence, and each tranche of grammatical garbage?

Language is one of the most distinctive attributes of humanity. When we fail to accord it due respect that is an affront to our common human heritage and to our readers; the transgressor vomits indifference on the past and the present.

If the writer cannot respect language why should I respect his ideas? If the writer will not take the time to carry out a simple spell check why should I take the time to read her thoughts? If the writer refuses to structure those thoughts in any cogent way why should I work towards understanding their message?


Edited for a simple typographical error, out of respect for my readers.

I am a crass intellectual snob. Are you suggesting I suppress my natural character in order to avoid offending those who offend me with every misspelled word, each poorly punctuated sentence, and each tranche of grammatical garbage?

Do as you please. I think internet forums are probably not the best place for you though as unfortunately the whole world is not as precise about grammar and spelling as you. If I was a vegetarian, I would probably avoid McDonalds on principal.

Language is one of the most distinctive attributes of humanity. When we fail to accord it due respect that is an affront to our common human heritage and to our readers; the transgressor vomits indifference on the past and the present.

If you were to transgress in this way it would indeed be vomiting indifference because you know better.

If the writer cannot respect language why should I respect his ideas?

Because to disrespect his ideas would be a wilful ignorance on your part. It is entirely likely that their disrespect of language is not wilful.

If the writer will not take the time to carry out a simple spell check why should I take the time to read her thoughts?

Because you are magnanimous enough to overlook it really.

If the writer refuses to structure to those thoughts in any cogent way why should I work towards understanding their message?

Because you are magnanimous enough to overlook it really.

peace

c20

I am

Edited for a simple typographical error, out of respect for my readers.


Well you had to after all that, didn't you?

Naturally. In both senses of the word.

I think internet forums are probably not the best place for you though as unfortunately the whole world is not as precise about grammar and spelling as you. Not yet.

Because to disrespect his ideas would be a wilful ignorance on your part. It is entirely likely that their disrespect of language is not wilful.My objection is to those who make no attempt to correct their language shortfalls once they have been pointed out. Moreover, I have no problem whatsoever with poor writing from those using a language foreign to them. It is those who persist in sloppiness in the face of advice, suggestions, criticisms and invective, with whom I have a problem. Their behaviour is willfull; it is disrespectful; and it pisses me right off.

Because to disrespect his ideas would be a wilful ignorance on your part.

I still assert that their ideas (you said "his," but I'm being critical of a wider population) are related to their ability to communicate, which is, in turn, related to their amount and/or quality of education. A recent Harris Poll, for instance (and I'll have to produce the citation later), indicated that less educated individuals were more likely to believe in young earth creationism than better educated counterparts. Granted, there were still those with good educations (4yrs+ college) who believed in the mythology of creation and disbelieved in the science of evolution, but the disparity wasn't nearly that of under-educated counterparts.

Other polls have shown that belief in the supernatural and paranormal (from bigfoot to ufos to esp -again, citation later) is likewise strongly correlated to education.

This is a science forum. Science depends upon effective communication to both develop ideas and effectively share them, so criticism of poor communication ability is deserved. There are plenty of teen chat rooms where net-speak/poor spellers are welcomed with open-arms. But more than this, a science forum is the place to discuss the nature of paranormal psychology and the anthropological/sociological effects and causes.

If a certain class of poster finds this arrogant or crass, they can certainly find a home on one of the many, many woo-woo sites on the internet. There, they will find fellow believers & net-speakers falling over themselves to pat them on the back and offer positive affirmation in their mutual climb to self-actualization.

I still assert that their ideas (you said "his," but I'm being critical of a wider population) are related to their ability to communicate, which is, in turn, related to their amount and/or quality of education. A recent Harris Poll, for instance (and I'll have to produce the citation later), indicated that less educated individuals were more likely to believe in young earth creationism than better educated counterparts. Granted, there were still those with good educations (4yrs+ college) who believed in the mythology of creation and disbelieved in the science of evolution, but the disparity wasn't nearly that of under-educated counterparts.

Other polls have shown that belief in the supernatural and paranormal (from bigfoot to ufos to esp -again, citation later) is likewise strongly correlated to education.

This is a science forum. Science depends upon effective communication to both develop ideas and effectively share them, so criticism of poor communication ability is deserved. There are plenty of teen chat rooms where net-speak/poor spellers are welcomed with open-arms. But more than this, a science forum is the place to discuss the nature of paranormal psychology and the anthropological/sociological effects and causes.

If a certain class of poster finds this arrogant or crass, they can certainly find a home on one of the many, many woo-woo sites on the internet. There, they will find fellow believers & net-speakers falling over themselves to pat them on the back and offer positive affirmation in their mutual climb to self-actualization.

It is precisely this sort of attitude that turns people off the 'discussion'.
You are saying 'If you cannot spell properly or punctuate properly, like me, then frankly you belong on a woo-woo site.'

Get off your high horse. The day you own this forum is the day when you can stipulate rules about grammar and the like. I see NO RULES about spelling or grammar and thank God for that. I like to read all people's thoughts, no matter how they are presented and I would estimate that I am not the only one who holds this view. Perhps you should join an English Literary website where you can all pat yourselves on the back in mutual appreciation of your wonderful grammatically correct use of the English language!
So lame.

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A simple question: if two posts had identical content, but one was well written (spelling, vocabulary, grammar, syntax, etc), the other poorly written, which would you prefer to read?
I shall assume, pending any correction by yourself, that you would prefer the better written post. Should we not, then, encourage better writing? Forget rules, lets just talk about sensible guidlines designed to facilitate understanding. Are you opposed to these? I find it difficult to beleive you are. Your own posts are lucid and well written: why defend sloppy writing, which as SkinWalker has ably pointed out, seems to correlate with sloppy thinking.
Again, to echo SW, this is a science forum - science calls for precision of thinking, methodology, measurement and language. Why would you choose to discard this? I am perplexed by your view on this matter.

My own posts would, I am sure, be ripped to shreds on an English Literary website for my gross corruption of the English language. My response to this would be an attempt, indeed repeated attempts, to correct my shortcomings, not an appeal to like, you know, kind of say well its the meaning see not wether i use the rite words or speling or what ever, i mean cant you get serious, this isnt school is it. you arent the teacher so what like shoudl you be telling me how to speak, whatever. :(

A simple question: if two posts had identical content, but one was well written (spelling, vocabulary, grammar, syntax, etc), the other poorly written, which would you prefer to read?
I shall assume, pending any correction by yourself, that you would prefer the better written post. Should we not, then, encourage better writing? Forget rules, lets just talk about sensible guidlines designed to facilitate understanding. Are you opposed to these? I find it difficult to beleive you are. Your own posts are lucid and well written: why defend sloppy writing, which as SkinWalker has ably pointed out, seems to correlate with sloppy thinking.
Again, to echo SW, this is a science forum - science calls for precision of thinking, methodology, measurement and language. Why would you choose to discard this? I am perplexed by your view on this matter.

My own posts would, I am sure, be ripped to shreds on an English Literary website for my gross corruption of the English language. My response to this would be an attempt, indeed repeated attempts, to correct my shortcomings, not an appeal to like, you know, kind of say well its the meaning see not wether i use the rite words or speling or what ever, i mean cant you get serious, this isnt school is it. you arent the teacher so what like shoudl you be telling me how to speak, whatever. :(

I agree 100%. As I said earlier, anything that's worth doing is worth doing well. And I, too, said that sloppy writing correlates with sloppy thinking. Consider that for just a moment... is it any wonder that the majority of the strongest supporters here of pseudo-science, mysticism and superstition are our sloppiest writers?

Sloppy thinking leads to all kinds of problems in life. Paying attention to details in everything - including communication with others - is an important quality. Have you also noticed that many times the sloppy writers are asked what they mean? And then they have to try an explain themselves. Why not make a little effort to get it right (or at least better) the first time?

Granted, it takes a little effort to gather your thoughts and present them in a coherent manner. Personally, I believe they simply don't want to make that small bit of effort. It's too much like work for them. I'll also bet that they are the same people who tend to run off at the mouth (without fully thinking something out) in real life.

It is precisely this sort of attitude that turns people off the 'discussion'.

The discussion is about the correlation between poor grammar & low education and the belief in the paranormal. You'll note that I didn't criticize said woo-woo's in the thread about their wild beliefs in fantasy. I started a separate one. One which you are free to leave. (http://www.sciforums.com/subscription.php?do=usub&t=49598)

You are saying 'If you cannot spell properly or punctuate properly, like me, then frankly you belong on a woo-woo site.'

No. I'm saying that if you believe in the paranormal and the supernatural, odds are good that you are under-educated. Obvious metrics for that condition happen to be poor spelling and grammar. If it bothers you that there are those interested in discussing the nature of your beliefs (I'm using "you" in the figurative sense -I don't know your beliefs), there are plenty of places to go and have you ego masturbated. But in a science forum, be prepared to have them analyzed... and appropriately so.

Get off your high horse. The day you own this forum is the day when you can stipulate rules about grammar and the like.

I made no rule. I merely stated the obvious and began a discussion. Disagree with my motives all you like, I really couldn't give two shits.