Many people in the Gospel asked that very same question
directly to Jesus and let's see what the reply was;

"And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?"
"And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the
commandments." Matthew 19:16-17

Here according to Jesus, to enter Heaven, we follow the
commandments.

A question to the Christians is: why would Jesus mislead this man
if the 'only way to heaven was through the blood of Jesus'?????

More about this very interesting CONTRADICTION in the very basic of salvation in christianity:

http://www.jesus-or-allah.com/ click on Salvation on the right side of the front page.

Sounds like another "Invite to Islam".

I don't see the contradiction. Jesus was not a lawyer. The appropriate answer may differ for every person depending on their ability to understand. In Jesus's time, there were not even any christians yet, he was not christian, and his message of salvation is a christian interpretation. What he was really saying is perhaps to subtle and profound for such as yourself, who need everything spelled out for you. Think for yourself, the kingdom of heaven is within. Anyway, according to christian dogma, we all get eternal life, even if we spend it in hell.

Another one:

Christians believe death comes through SIN, their God died, which means their God is Sinner !!

How absurd !

:p

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Another one:

Christians believe death comes through SIN, their God died, which means their God is Sinner !!

How absurd !

:p

Their god din't die, his son did and he died for the sins of his fellow men not through sinful acts...he died as a sacrifice, not because he was a hedonistic bastard.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Another one:

Christians believe death comes through SIN, their God died, which means their God is Sinner !!

How absurd !

:p
I'm impressed. What do you do for an encore? Fart? :D

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Another one:

Christians believe death comes through SIN, their God died, which means their God is Sinner !!

How absurd !

:p


Proud_S, when ever you post something anti christian , you really burn vienna and Randolf. hehe. i can smell the smoke coming out.

Originally posted by 567
Proud_S, when ever you post something anti christian , you really burn vienna and Randolf. hehe. i can smell the smoke coming out.


oooohhh.. BBQ:p

And I guess one could say payback's a bitch..



:eek:

Originally posted by sargentlard
Their god din't die, his son did and he died for the sins of his fellow men not through sinful acts...he died as a sacrifice, not because he was a hedonistic bastard.

Make up your mind, is jesus GOD or the Son of God ??

God does not need to sacrifice his ALLEGED son for us...God cant be like us and have sons, God cant be equated with his creation.

http://www.jesus-or-allah.com

Originally posted by 567
Proud_S, when ever you post something anti christian , you really burn vienna and Randolf. hehe. i can smell the smoke coming out.

:D

They can never ever dare to mess with a MUSLIM....The consequences will be unaffordable for them.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
:D

They can never ever dare to mess with a MUSLIM....The consequences will be unaffordable for them.
The consequences?? Sounds like just another muslim type of threat, taught and passed down the years from that illiterate child molester mohammed.

:D :D

You see, I told you, when uncircumcized Animals like vienna get pissed off, he turns to insults and bashing.

I think my posts are working very well.

:D

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
You see, I told you, when uncircumcized Animals like vienna get pissed off, he turns to insults and bashing.

I think my posts are working very well.

:D Not really, your posts just confirm what a pathetic little muslim you really are. You are a weak person who follows a very violent religion.

To improve your life you should really consider becoming a Christian, then you could have all your sins forgiven and change your evil ways. Also follow the true path to a good life and reach heaven, otherwise there is no hope for you.

Do yourself and the world a favour, become a Christian and invite all your family to join too..... :D

Do yourself and the world a favour, become a Christian and invite all your family to join too.....

LOL.. yes and then become just like Vienna:p... and possibly go and shoot some staff at abortion clinics... Then you can join them in heaven as well..


:eek:

Originally posted by Bells
LOL.. yes and then become just like Vienna:p... and possibly go and shoot some staff at abortion clinics... Then you can join them in heaven as well..


:eek:
Ha ha, I'm sure he would enjoy it, maybe you too eh? :D

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
:D

They can never ever dare to mess with a MUSLIM....The consequences will be unaffordable for them.

That's nice, PS. What are you planning to do for an encore - blow up a Christian cathedral? If your sorry religion looks pathetic to the Western world, just remember - it's people like you and your violent, blood-lusting brethren who've made it that way.

I don't like Christianity - not by a long shot. But I'd take the ignorance and stupidity of Christianity over the violence and bloodshed of your nasty religion any day of the week. :mad:

The Muslim motto:

They can never ever dare to mess with a MUSLIM....The consequences will be unaffordable for them.

The Christian motto:

Do yourself and the world a favour, become a Christian and invite all your family to join too... go and shoot some staff at abortion clinics...

Although oversimplified, those statements summarize best what Islam and Christianity have come to represent in modern society.

I could care less if you use each other for target practice - perhaps that’s the only way violence and ignorance will eventually be eradicated.

It’s just unfortunate the rest of us wind up getting caught in the line of fire.

Originally posted by Bells
LOL.. yes and then become just like Vienna:p... and possibly go and shoot some staff at abortion clinics... Then you can join them in heaven as well..

:eek:

LOL :D

Or join the Christian terrorists in the LRA ( Lord Resistance Army ) in Uganda and kill and murder thousands of innocent civilians.

http://www.evilbible.com

Originally posted by Nehushta
That's nice, PS. What are you planning to do for an encore - blow up a Christian cathedral? If your sorry religion looks pathetic to the Western world, just remember - it's people like you and your violent, blood-lusting brethren who've made it that way.


Nah, Islam is NOT violent religion but it is not hypocritical one.

Islam ,unlike christianity, is a realistic religion, if you hit me and insulted me as a muslim, then I will hit you back, this is what my great religion told me to do, ISLAM TAUGHT US NOT TO REWARD AGGRESSORS AND KILLERS, ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH.

''Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

Read how the Bible teachs christians to be peaceful:

2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God , for having jeered at a man of God

2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

2KINGS 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father.

2KINGS 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord.''

2KINGS 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."

2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.

and many more....I bet after reading the above stuff, you will be very tempted to become a christian !

:p

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Read how the Bible teachs christians to be peaceful:

2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God , for having jeered at a man of God

2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

2KINGS 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father.

2KINGS 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord.''

2KINGS 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."

2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
:p

So Bush had it right - Muslims and Christians do worship the same god after all. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Islam ,unlike christianity, is a realistic religion, if you hit me and insulted me as a muslim, then I will hit you back, this is what my great religion told me to do, ISLAM TAUGHT US NOT TO REWARD AGGRESSORS AND KILLERS, ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH.

''Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

And I don't need to tolerate your thinly veiled threats against my fellow countrymen, PS.

Why you guys look at everything as a threat ?

hell, like your president and the Iraqi THREAT !!!

I am not threatning anyone, what I meant by my answer is that those CHRISTIAN LOSERS better not to mess with MUSLIMS or Islam, because i will open my files and expose their LOVELY christian LORD.

Got it !!

:rolleyes:

I know a few Muslims at work and they are respectful and honorable people. They earned their respect and because of this, others who might not understand what Islam is really about, have gained insight through them. They too, are learning about Christians and Jews beliefs. Even the local atheist is learning more even though he thinks we're all lunatics for believing in God.

You on the other hand, Proud of being Syrian or not, do your people a great disservice by breeding more intolerance. I have yet to read anything in Islam that would commend you for your behavior. Perhaps I'll give my Muslim co-workers this web address so they can judge your writings for themselves.

Bridge:

You are showing the same symptoms again !! DISGUSTING HYPOCRISY.

Why you dont see what others are writing about Islam ??????
I am sure your honourable muslim friends will be very angry if they read the stuff posted here against Islam.

Yes, please, do invite them and let them read....thanks.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by (Q)


The Christian motto:

Do yourself and the world a favour, become a Christian and invite all your family to join too... go and shoot some staff at abortion clinics...
Not really, but its what the barbarians wanted to hear.

The Christian motto is to follow and practise the teachings of Jesus, christianity is the foundation of civil civilisation today whether you like it or not


It’s just unfortunate the rest of us wind up getting caught in the line of fire.
Quite right, and it will continue as long as the evils of Islam are allowed to carry on with the evil terrorism of today.

Originally posted by Bridge
I know a few Muslims at work and they are respectful and honorable people. They earned their respect and because of this, others who might not understand what Islam is really about, have gained insight through them. They too, are learning about Christians and Jews beliefs. Even the local atheist is learning more even though he thinks we're all lunatics for believing in God.

You on the other hand, Proud of being Syrian or not, do your people a great disservice by breeding more intolerance. I have yet to read anything in Islam that would commend you for your behavior. Perhaps I'll give my Muslim co-workers this web address so they can judge your writings for themselves.
Well said, Proud Syrian and the rest of his ilk are either:

a) Showing Islam in its true light

or

b) Giving Islam a bad name

Either way Proud Syrian is a disgusting person.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vienna

Only way you can go to heaven if you believe in fundamentlist form of christianity like Jerry Farwell and PatRobertson etc. According to them and other Souther Baptist christians they are the only one who will go to heaven and every one else will go to hell. Isn't it true Vienna/randolfo?

Originally posted by Vienna
Not really, but its what the barbarians wanted to hear.

The Christian motto is to follow and practise the teachings of Jesus, christianity is the foundation of civil civilisation today whether you like it or not


Oh right !!! to find out more about the christian motto, please check this:

http://www.evilbible.com

Originally posted by Vienna
Either way Proud Syrian is a disgusting person. [/B]

We have in Syria a great proverb which goes:

'' if you got insults from cowards, then you have to know you are doing a great job''

thanks for the compliment vienna.

:p

Islam or Christianity:

Which is the true way to God?

by Nadir Ahmed:

http://www.examinethetruth.com/Islam_Christianity.htm

There are very conservative and very liberal points of view in every major religion in the world. The Pat Robertson's and the Jerry Falwell's of the world are just as entitled to their religious beliefs as are the out-of-the-closet homosexual Bishops.

The only way to heaven is believing by faith that you are indeed going to heaven. Christians happen to believe that Christ is the way. Unlike in the United States where Muslims can freely participate in the exercise of their religion, in Saudi Arabia all other faiths are against the law. Does that mean I should hate all Saudis?

Ask yourself who is the least tolerant of the other and you'll have a hard time if you really investigate the facts. You'll just end up chasing your tail.

It's easy for me to find fault in both the West and the Islamic world. We worship materialism, we dominate militarily and our values in culture are questionable. In the Islamic world women are downtrodden. Who still tolerates slavery in Sudan? Islamic fundamentalists. Yet, despite all of this-- most Muslims know what they want from their religion and it isn't the type of results they witnessed on 9/11/01. Sure it made some peole dance in the streets, but others in the Islamic world knew immediately what the consequences would be. More hate, more death, more intolerance. It is always boils down to those few who can't see beyond their own dogmatic beliefs.

The solution to the problem isn't some arrogant a-hole that steps on the values of the other, or broadly boasts on an internet message board that his religion is more realistic than yours, it is the one who seeks out the commonalities and pursues wisdom, justice, compassion, mutual cooperation and understanding.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
I am not threatning anyone, what I meant by my answer is that those CHRISTIAN LOSERS better not to mess with MUSLIMS or Islam, because i will open my files and expose their LOVELY christian LORD.

Got it !!

:rolleyes:

Oh really? So how would that be any different from what you've been doing here all along? You can't really threaten someone with somthing you're already doing anyway, and will obviously continue to do, PS. Tell me, is that what you meant when you said, "ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH"?

No PS, I honestly believe you intended your statements to be taken as a threat of impending violence against Christians who voice opposition to Islam. That is disgusting, particularly in light of what the United States and the rest of the world has already suffered at the hands of Muslim extremists.

re: Neh:

Get a life, I have no time for self-appointed victims like you !

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
re: Neh:

Get a life, I have no time for self-appointed victims like you !

:rolleyes:

Neh: In other words he can't reply to your truthful post.

Originally posted by Vienna
Neh: In other words he can't reply to your truthful post.


Silent on my post?? How come?

Originally posted by skywalker
Silent on my post?? How come?

He is a loser, what do you expect !!

:D

Proud Syrian

Nehushta ask you a valid question which you have ignored, I would like to ask you the same question.

What did you mean when you said, "ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH"?

Are you going to answer this PS???

Here according to Jesus, to enter Heaven, we follow the
commandments.

A question to the Christians is: why would Jesus mislead this man
if the 'only way to heaven was through the blood of Jesus'?

It is quite clear when the whole passage is read (Matthew 19:16-30), not just the scant couple of verses that PS posted, that the entire meaning has been twisted to fit his agenda. In the passage, Jesus is telling their means to eternal life before His death and resurrection. He also demonstrates how impossible it is for man to meet these conditions, which is why salvation through Jesus is the only way to God. This is evidenced by the verses at the end of the passage:

Matthew 19
25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."




Christians believe death comes through SIN, their God died, which means their God is Sinner !!

How absurd !

Jesus offered Himself up as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. He was sinless, that is why He could be the sacrifice for our sins.

Make up your mind, is jesus GOD or the Son of God ??

God does not need to sacrifice his ALLEGED son for us...God cant be like us and have sons, God cant be equated with his creation.


Clearly you do not understand the bible. According to what the Bible teaches us, Jesus is the Son of God, God Himself. Since man is sinful and cannot come to God on his own, God sent Jesus down to earth to be the sacrifice for our sins.

What you have stated is your opinion based on the quran, a book written by Mohammed much later after Jesus came to earth. Mohammed twisted the Scripture to suit his own purposes. At least state that this is the Islamic version of Christian scriptures instead of the Christian version.

I am not threatning anyone, what I meant by my answer is that those CHRISTIAN LOSERS better not to mess with MUSLIMS or Islam, because i will open my files and expose their LOVELY christian LORD.

We have in Syria a great proverb which goes:

'' if you got insults from cowards, then you have to know you are doing a great job''

Does anyone else see the irony in the proverb and PS’ lovely threat? Does that mean that we Christians are doing a great job since he sees fit to insult us?

Open your files Proud Syrian, let us debate whatever misinformation you have hidden away.

Proud Syrian

Nehushta ask you a valid question which you have ignored, I would like to ask you the same question.

What did you mean when you said, "ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH"?

Are you going to answer this PS???

Count me among those waiting for a response Proud Syrian.

Originally posted by Vienna
Proud Syrian

Nehushta ask you a valid question which you have ignored, I would like to ask you the same question.

What did you mean when you said, "ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH"?

Are you going to answer this PS???

Pathetic uncircumcized animal,, when you quote what I write, quote the WHOLE sentence, this is what I wrote:

''Islam ,unlike christianity, is a realistic religion, if you hit me and insulted me as a muslim, then I will hit you back, this is what my great religion told me to do, ISLAM TAUGHT US NOT TO REWARD AGGRESSORS AND KILLERS, ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH.''

I was talking about killers and aggressors....got it Mr. ass ?

How can you know for sure you are saved when Jesus himself
made statements declaring you are headed for Hell ?

For Example :

" But I say to you that every one who is angry with his
brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his
brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says,
'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire . " Matthew
5:22

Surely most of you have said bad words now and then ,
therefore according to Jesus , most of you will taste the
Fires of Hell and are not Free from punishment according to
Jesus .

:cool:

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Pathetic uncircumcized animal,, when you quote what I write, quote the WHOLE sentence, this is what I wrote:

''Islam ,unlike christianity, is a realistic religion, if you hit me and insulted me as a muslim, then I will hit you back, this is what my great religion told me to do, ISLAM TAUGHT US NOT TO REWARD AGGRESSORS AND KILLERS, ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH.''

I was talking about killers and aggressors....got it Mr. ass ?

So its nothing to do with the qur'an telling you to kill all unbelievers.

Funny how so many muslims qoute this to be true yet you deny it, are you special or something, a bit of a messiah are you??

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
How can you know for sure you are saved when Jesus himself
made statements declaring you are headed for Hell ?

For Example :

" But I say to you that every one who is angry with his
brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his
brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says,
'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire . " Matthew
5:22

Surely most of you have said bad words now and then ,
therefore according to Jesus , most of you will taste the
Fires of Hell and are not Free from punishment according to
Jesus .

:cool:
My angry words were not aimed at any brother, they were aimed at evil and the devil.

Originally posted by Vienna
So its nothing to do with the qur'an telling you to kill all unbelievers.

Funny how so many muslims qoute this to be true yet you deny it, are you special or something, a bit of a messiah are you??

Vienna, first of all, you complain that "arrogant people are shoving Muslim stuff down your throat", but it is you that goes around asking for it. You post so many misconceptions and stuff that we sit and clarify it for you. If you don't want to know anything about Islam, please do avoid all further Islam topics and posts.

The Quran makes it clear repeatedly that Jihad is to be done only when you are suffering from religious persecution and are fighting in self-defence, the classic example being the Crusades.

You are reminding me just exactly how perverse your religion is.

It is spreading like cancer in this world, and it will kill it.

Originally posted by Vienna
So its nothing to do with the qur'an telling you to kill all unbelievers.

Funny how so many muslims qoute this to be true yet you deny it, are you special or something, a bit of a messiah are you??

You are really so confused, you dont know what the hell I wrote, I advice you to go and cicrumcize your self, it will help.

:p

Originally posted by Vienna
You are reminding me just exactly how perverse your religion is.

It is spreading like cancer in this world, and it will kill it.

and soon, one of your own childern will convert to islam.....days are between us.

There is a world between us, and my children will never stoop so low as to even think about Islam. I would rather them be atheist than follow a religion of retards.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
re: Neh:

Get a life, I have no time for self-appointed victims like you !

:rolleyes:

How does my statement that I will not tolerate your threats of violence against my fellow countrymen make me a "self-appointed victim"? Or is it my probing into the meaning of your threats that makes me such?

You wrote to Vienna:
Pathetic uncircumcized animal,, when you quote what I write, quote the WHOLE sentence, this is what I wrote:

''Islam ,unlike christianity, is a realistic religion, if you hit me and insulted me as a muslim, then I will hit you back, this is what my great religion told me to do, ISLAM TAUGHT US NOT TO REWARD AGGRESSORS AND KILLERS, ISLAM TAUGHT US TO CRUSH THEM SO THAT PEACE CAN PREVAIL ON EARTH.''

I was talking about killers and aggressors....got it Mr. ass ?
But your earlier explanation to me had been this:
I am not threatning anyone, what I meant by my answer is that those CHRISTIAN LOSERS better not to mess with MUSLIMS or Islam, because i will open my files and expose their LOVELY christian LORD.
Can you see the inconsistency in these two statements, PS?

Originally posted by Vienna
There is a world between us, and my children will never stoop so low as to even think about Islam. I would rather them be atheist than follow a religion of retards.

oh yeah, like this man for example:

http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/special98/adiyar.htm

Originally posted by Nehushta
You wrote to Vienna:

But your earlier explanation to me had been this:

Can you see the inconsistency in these two statements, PS? [/B]

what have you been smoking ?

I asked to the LOSER vienna to quote my WHOLE statement, and I explained to you that what you senses as a threat is nothing more than exposing the christian false doctrine.

GOT IT ??

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Vienna
There is a world between us, and my children will never stoop so low as to even think about Islam. I would rather them be atheist than follow a religion of retards.

Hopefully, your children might be less ignorant of the facts.

Originally posted by Pakman
Hopefully, your children might be less ignorant of the facts.
I will defend my children with my life against all evils of this world for as long as I can. Don't dare mention my children again.
You are on ignore you retard

Originally posted by Vienna
I will defend my children with my life against all evils of this world for as long as I can. Don't dare mention my children again.
You are on ignore you retard

May Allah bless your childern and protect them and guide them...Ameen.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
May Allah bless your childern and protect them and guide them...Ameen.
You are really pushing your luck Alladin.

Maybe I should just ignore all muslims on these boards because they only confirm how arrogant, ignorant and peverse their religion really is. What do you do to convert others, put a gun to their heads??

You're on ignore too!

All I can say about this thread is:

It takes one to know one.

Hey, is there a moderator in the house?

Originally posted by Vienna
You are really pushing your luck Alladin.

Maybe I should just ignore all muslims on these boards because they only confirm how arrogant, ignorant and peverse their religion really is. What do you do to convert others, put a gun to their heads??

You're on ignore too!

I dont think all these westerners converting by force, but 'insha allah' your childern will be good great british muslims one day.

And I pray that all of Islam may know the truth about our Lord Jesus Christ before it is too late. That you all may know that He is the Son of God, sent by our Father to die for our sins so that we may have eternal life. I pray for you Proud Syrian, and your family.

Originally posted by guthrie
All I can say about this thread is:

It takes one to know one.

Hey, is there a moderator in the house?
What is it with you, we were all having a slagging match when you pop up from nowhere begging for a moderator.

Myself and the people involved know when to cool down, it has got a trifle heated so I'm shutting up for now. We certainly don't need upstarts like you to call the shots and ask for moderators help.

Take a hike pal.

Originally posted by Vienna
I will defend my children with my life against all evils of this world for as long as I can. Don't dare mention my children again.
You are on ignore you retard


Defend you children ?? How so? Who is attacking them? who is shoving whos religion on you throat?? At least I didn't ask you to become muslim. First thing to revert to Islam, you have to have understand the concept of God. Which you do not. Please show me where I ask you to convert to Islam. Do you always fabricate facts? Do you totally ignore all other posts and start imagining things?? When was the last time a muslims came to your door and ask you to convert, unlike you christians who try to shove their religion to the whole world and are so called and self claimed messiahs to save the human race. Very ignorant of you very sad.

Originally posted by Markx
Defend you children ?? How so? Who is attacking them?
Haven't you noticed, muslim terrorism is rife in this world.

who is shoving whos religion on you throat?? At least I didn't ask you to become muslim. First thing to revert to Islam, you have to have understand the concept of God.
I understand the concept of God very well thankyou. I also understand the concept of Mohammed the anti-Christ –

A conniving illiterate who mocked the divinity of Jesus. A sexually active polygamist who began his life as a pagan and ended it in a new form of pagan belief of his own making (no attestation to his status as prophet though miraculous events during his lifetime). Warlike, his focus was on this life and not upon eternal life except to the degree that the concept as presented offered the fulfillment of humanistic goals. When challenged and not with a strong army he fled, unlike Jesus with the power of God, one time walked right through a crowd desiring to put him to death and toward the end went to Jerusalem knowing full well that He would suffer and be put to a horrible death.

Originally posted by Vienna
Haven't you noticed, muslim terrorism is rife in this world.


I understand the concept of God very well thankyou. I also understand the concept of Mohammed the anti-Christ –
.


Ignoring the history again. Re writing history because truth doesnt' get you any attention? :rolleyes:

It is hard to understand the Divinity of Jesus when he ate like you, drank like you,pooped like you and farted like you. If that is divine that God Bless Your Soul. Then he died and Paul told you that he is God and you believed it. Pathetic isn't it? You simply failed to understand that simple message and made it all confusing for your self. Ohhh sorry did I shove something in your throat ???

Originally posted by Markx
Ohhh sorry did I shove something in your throat ???
Not one bit, and you ignored that muslim terrorism is rife in this world.

There are no comments from you on this fact.

Originally posted by Vienna
Not one bit, and you ignored that muslim terrorism is rife in this world.

There are no comments from you on this fact.

And what about CHRISTIAN TERRORISM AGAINST MUSLIMS ?

Here is a nice starter to know more about this brutal terrorism:

www.motherofevil.com

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
And what about CHRISTIAN TERRORISM AGAINST MUSLIMS ?

Here is a nice starter to know more about this brutal terrorism:

www.motherofevil.com
The link doesn't mention Christians.

My My... this is like watching children in a school yard yelling "My God is better than your God so ner..." to each other.

Vienna, has it ever occured to you that paranoia such as yours and the hate you show to Islam and muslims is what feeds the fundamentalist? I mean, Osama Bin Laden should have your picture up in his home as you are the type of person that feeds the fundamentalist paranoia of christians hating muslims. Are you any better than Osama Bin Laden with your hate? I see you as being just the same. He hates and you hate. He destroys and you want to destroy. You go on and on about how your version of christianity is the best and he does the same about his version of islam. What makes your hate any different to his? Is it that he had the financial means to act out his hate and you dont? You disgust me as much as Bin Laden disgusts me. Hateful people like you are what don't belong in society.

There is a world between us, and my children will never stoop so low as to even think about Islam. I would rather them be atheist than follow a religion of retards.

Is this because you preach your messages of hate and paranoia to your children?

I will defend my children with my life against all evils of this world for as long as I can.

But who's going to defend your children against the hate you spout? Hate is evil, whether its muslim or christian.

I suppose the childish "my god is better than your god" crap can only end when people learn respect and understanding for the beliefs of others... on BOTH SIDES. Proud, do you do it to just annoy people like Vienna or do you follow the same lines of the "my religion is better than yours" crap? Because if you're one who thinks that their religion is superior to others, than you're just as bad as Vienna:( and that is sad. Everyone has their beliefs and isn't it in the Koran and the Bible that one should respect others? Isn't Allah and the christian God the one and the same? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere as a child in the religious studies I was made to take as a child. This thread has only gone to show that hate breeds more hate.. and hate only leads to conflict. Very sad for both muslims and christians...



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Bells,

From where I was standing it was PS who triggered the heated messages. He decided to talk about Viennas children etc. which I find irrelevant and slightly weird.

I've read a few threads involving Islam and they almost always end up with PS slagging christians off.

Vienna did participate in the debate to but he/she didn't throw the first punch, and it's this that counts.


Dave

Originally posted by Bells
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Vienna, has it ever occured to you that paranoia such as yours
What like 9/11, Bali, and other islamic terrorist acts up to the recent bombings in Turkey, call that paranoia - get a life.

You go on and on about how your version of christianity is the best
I have never claimed to be a Christian, I was hallmarked one by the ignorant muslims on this site.

Hateful people like you are what don't belong in society.
Terrorism does not belong in society, and I will do anything in my power to stop it given the chance. I would love to round up the leaders of Islamic terrorist groups which operate in UK and hand them over to the authorities. Call that hateful?? I don't.

Originally posted by Vienna
The link doesn't mention Christians.

OH REALLY ????????

Did not the moron Bush describe his WAR OF TERROR a crusade ??

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/iraq50.jpg
American CHRISTIAN soldiers shot dead iraq civilian sitting in his car.

MORE PICTURES OF THE CHRISTIAN TERRORISM AGAINST MUSLIMS IN IRAQ HERE:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2608.htm

Are you sure the US troops are all Christian, could be Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Atheist.

You are grasping at straws

Originally posted by Vienna
Are you sure the US troops are all Christian, could be Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Atheist.

You are grasping at straws


Dunno bout that but majority counts. You don't call the American army as an Atheist or some thing else. But a Christian army. America has turn into christian fanatic state every once noticed it. I thought we have fanatics in India but america is very dangerous right now.
That Gay General Boyenkin is definately a christian and he is fighting against EVIL GOD. Yup. Other People's God are evil and yours not.

Originally posted by 567
Dunno bout that but majority counts. You don't call the American army as an Atheist or some thing else. But a Christian army. America has turn into christian fanatic state every once noticed it. I thought we have fanatics in India but america is very dangerous right now.
That Gay General Boyenkin is definately a christian and he is fighting against EVIL GOD. Yup. Other People's God are evil and yours not. So....my God is evil, well blow me down with a feather. Now which god would that be since muslims have called me amongst other things a Christian and a Jew, how sure are you that I am not an apostate of Islam.
Tell me, who is my God?

Originally posted by 567
Dunno bout that but majority counts. You don't call the American army as an Atheist or some thing else. But a Christian army. America has turn into christian fanatic state every once noticed it.

I admit that there are many within the U.S. government who fail to understand the meaning of separation of Church and State, and that has been a major annoyance to me for years, since they are supposedly representing me.

But no - that doesn't make us a Christian nation. We are a nation of religious and cultural diversity, and we have laws to protect our religious rights - although the Christians do their level best to ignore those laws and drown out the voices of the dissenters so you don't notice that diversity thing so much - but trust me, it's still there. :rolleyes:

My youngest son is in the Navy and he is most decidedly not a Christian. My husband and oldest son were both in the Air Force, as is my nephew, and they aren't Christians either. My father was in the Army, and I've never once heard him express a belief in a god one way or another (seriously - to this day, I have no idea what his beliefs are in that regard). I'm really wondering who all these Christian soldiers are? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nehushta
[B]I admit that there are many within the U.S. government who fail to understand the meaning of separation of Church and State, and that has been a major annoyance to me for years, since they are supposedly representing me.

But no - that doesn't make us a Christian nation. We are a nation of religious and cultural diversity, and we have laws to protect our religious rights - although the Christians do their level best to ignore those laws and drown out the voices of the dissenters so you don't notice that diversity thing so much - but trust me, it's still there. :rolleyes:

My youngest son is in the Navy and he is most decidedly not a Christian. My husband and oldest son were both in the Air Force, as is my nephew, and they aren't Christians either. My father was in the Army, and I've never once heard him express a belief in a god one way or another (seriously - to this day, I have no idea what his beliefs are in that regard). I'm really wondering who all these Christian soldiers are? :rolleyes:
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M*W: We weren't a Christian country when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and we're not a Christian country today. Those who claim that we are a Christian country obviously don't know anything about the Founding Fathers or their religious philosophies. The USA will NEVER be a Christian country. That is in opposition to our basic freedom and cultural diversity. This country will NEVER have "Christian soldiers." If some of them happen to be Christian, they need to keep it to themselves! Good post, Nehusta!

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Many people in the Gospel asked that very same question
directly to Jesus and let's see what the reply was;

"And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?"
"And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the
commandments." Matthew 19:16-17

Here according to Jesus, to enter Heaven, we follow the
commandments.

A question to the Christians is: why would Jesus mislead this man
if the 'only way to heaven was through the blood of Jesus'?????

A) Christ hadn't died yet, so the dispensation of grace(sometimes called church dispensation) hadn't come, and the dispensation of law was still in place

B) He was giving the "Sunday School answer" as we sometimes call it. Jesus knew that the guy would give the "been there-done that" response.(even though that is impossible) Then, Christ upped the ante a little bit saying: "If you want to be perfect{e.g. fully developed}, sell what you have, give to the poor, and you will have a treasure in heaven. Then come and follow me."


Another one:

Christians believe death comes through SIN, their God died, which means their God is Sinner !!


As humans we are sinners. In order for that sin to be atoned/covered for, a perfect sacrifice was necessary. No mere human could do it. So God, in Son-form, came to Earth to provide that sacrifice. In essence, Jesus bore our sin(became sin, although not a sinner as you and I are) that we all may be given the chance for Heaven. He payed a debt he did not owe(the wage of sin is death)for those who had a debt who could not pay. Does that make sense?

We weren't a Christian country when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and we're not a Christian country today.

They may not have all been Christian per-se, but they all believed in the Judaic-Christian code.