I have contemplated this before, and it seems plausible.

For those of you like me, who do not believen chance, in anything, due to the nature of the Universe, what if... time being cyclical, had a part to play. We see events unfold such as a car crashing into another car due to human error and choice, which in itself you can decide is a nature or not, but still an unpredictable eventuality.

What if the nature of apsolutes in the Universe was the very thing to prove the logic in time being cyclical. With that, there are no accidents, and everything, I MEAN EVERYTHING, is natural and apsolute, even our own choices and the unpredictabilities that happen.

Because as we all well know, the physics of this Universe are apsolute, and they are natural, and nothing can change them, thus that is where causality takes place, and things work out. But we are that variable that doesn't seem to fit well into that causality. As we ourselves, still have a choice.

With time being infinitely cyclical with no beginning no end and no unpredictability one can infer that nothing is left to chance.

Just a theory.... it would probably be considered... conspiracy in one form or another. Does this sound plausible? Or does it sound like it's blown out of proportion.

Thoughts please.

If time is cyclic then what if (probably the best two words in the English language) it runs the same "programme" every time with a different seed until all possibilities have been done.
I.e. first iteration you don't crash the car, 2nd time around you don't again, but it's a different car, 3rd time you crash it and survive etc. And then when every possibility has been done some celestial programmer turns to his buddy and says "Run's finished, do you want the results saving?"

Interesting proposal... I like the idea. It's plausible. This could also explain infnite causality (the universe imploding and exploding infinitely with no beginning or end, sorry, big infinity theory fan lol)

This sounds like it could work out and explain how unpredictability is true something that is in our own minds.

Which raises the question.... why do you do what we do?

Well, if it's true then you do what you do because you do it differently every time round, but you only notice what you're doing at the time you make THAT choice. (Because your knowledge of self as you are now is only aware of that iteration).
This time around I have a taste for Guinness, next iteration it might be lager (ugh). This time round my bike's a GSX-R750, next time I act my age and get a five-door Volvo :eek:
in other words your free will is exercised from the available possibilities, but eventually, after enough iterations/ cycles you'll have made ALL choices...
The big question is what happens then?

Well.... what if it's infinite choices Oli? What if you can make all choices, but never ending? I know it sounds paradoxal, but... maybe it's something we'll never understand.

I do happen to think Oli that there are things we will never understand. Like how matter can create itself.

Well if it's infinite then the cycles run for an infinitely long time... Hope I don't get bored :D Although that's probably more reassuring (from a philosophical point of view) than finding it's all going to come to and end and that it was all for nothing after all...
Like how matter can create itself.
Huh? References please. Or are you talking about the big bang?

Not the big bang,

Sorry, I shouldn't say that it's certain, but it's what I have infered.

Matter creating itself, the idea that matter has no end to what makes it, example, atoms made of electrons, the nucleus made of protons and neutrons, the protons and neutrons made of quarks, and so on and so forth infinitely.

That is one thing, if true, that we will NEVER understand. Becuz it's technically like touching nothing, becuz there's also another building block, but at the same time touching an infinite amount of building blocks.

As for infinite choices, heh, indeed lol, we would get bored.

Although I generally believen an afterlife, and believe that there's an infintie variety of choices and things to do becuz of my belief in the infinite multiverse, either that or the soul needs no stimuli becuz it's a different being.

But... that's another subject lol.

atoms made of electrons, the nucleus made of protons and neutrons, the protons and neutrons made of quarks, and so on and so forth infinitely.
I don't think it can be an infinite regression, inasmuch as there's a limit to how small things can be - Planck length (from what I remember anyway). This is supposedly the smallest unit of measuremnt that has any meaning. Plus the fact that the smaller the "unit" - atom, neutron, etc. the more energy it takes to create; so maybe the limit of size is also an energy limit, i.e. there's not enough energy in the universe to create things smaller than "unit X" whatever that may be.
It's been a while since I read any physics, but aren't strings "distortions of spacetime" rather than actual (ha, actual. Pass me a bag of quarks...) "objects".
So they are (probably) the bricks that make the walls that make the rooms that make the office block that's part of the city...

A poem I surmise Parhadron? If so then you have me baffled, your use of words is almost too advanced for me.

Suffice to say Oli, it does take more energy to make them, but then again were they ever "made"? As said, energy is never created or destroyed. And as for energy, do we really know what it is?

We've merely speculated energy as an action, i.e gravity. And we've experienced it through atomic involvement. I happen to agree upon the idea that matter needs no creation or energy, it just is. Which is quite symbolic of the Universe in itself, never created or destroy... it just "is".

Mere speculation on my part, but... it does make one wonder.

but then again were they ever "made"?
Some physicists on the collider programmes speculate as to whether they're creating (inventing), as opposed to discovering, the smaller particles...
Which strangely opposes my old architecture tutor who always stated that we never create anything, we just discover and give form to things that have always existed...
I need a paracetomol :D
Matter IS energy, just "condensed" E=MC^2 etc.

So your saying you think that it's possible we were never "made"? I am talking about the soul here... not humans.

I agree, matter was never made, thus same with the soul, also due to that premise. Though.... we don't even know if it is matter, in this theoretical dimension, and with this theoretical being.

So your saying you think that it's possible we were never "made"? I am talking about the soul here... not humans.

We were never made. We (nothing) created humans (bodies) in our image (infinity)

I agree, matter was never made, thus same with the soul, also due to that premise.

If matter was never made, why does it exist? Wouldn't it be more logical if nothing existed?

Though.... we don't even know if it is matter, in this theoretical dimension, and with this theoretical being.

What is matter? "Light".

If you are thinking of a sort of 'coincidence of opposites' this idea is quite old, its most famous expounder being Nicholas of Cusa. Perhaps a similar idea today is one based on the idea that if the universe is infinite, than anything which can happen does happen, over infinite times and spaces, even complete opposites. This is somewhat different from Cusa's view, in which he felt God's infinite being contains all things (the infinite universe included) and hence all contraries coincide in God's own infinity.