The biggest biblical event if true which is set to happen to a certain generation. Know 1 knows the time or day, not even the angels in Heaven, but Jesus gave us predictions which seem to be coming to pass such as increase earthquakes, floods, famines etc

But the day will come like a thief in the night!.... a load of religious mumbo jumbo or any truth to the second coming foretold in the bible?

U decide

Is there really an increase in natural disasters, or are they simply being more widely reported?

If so, I have an alternate theory, one with evidence, global warming.

you missed it, it was yesterday.
or was it last week, then again it could have been last year, but thinking about it, it was the year you were born.
I think!
it's so confusing, oh I dont know, stupid question, does anybody.
does'nt it depend on how horny the girl is.

Before the secong coming...there is the rapture!!
According to the bible, the good people of the earth will be taken away suddenly ....people like president bush, P.diddy, bill gates etc.

It's noted in the bible as a spontaneous event sort off like a "beam me up scotty" senario!

Christian Evangelist's having been saying the same thing for decades..the end is near prepare for the rapture!!

I guess things in the world would have to get so bad first..sort of like a genocidal holocaust event before jesus returns!

There's the rapture, then the little beast, then the larger beast, then the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, then there's the thing that causes desolation which is placed in the temple and then there's the 2 prophets that are killed and lay in the street for a few days until they're ressurected and THEN the christ will appear in the sky to slay the dragon. Something like that anyway but not necessarily in that order. Don't hold your breath.

I'd say we are living in the final generation before the Return of the Messiah Jesus. But i have a feeling it will not be for at least another 20 years I feel it will be some time around 2028 to 2036.

I don't believe in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. Rapture happens at the second coming, not before it.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

The poll is missing an 'it's all fairy tales' option.

Seems like another fly-by-night carpetbagging preacher selling snake oil. They can dish it out alright, but fear to confront a rational response.

read the elft behind seris if you want to learn about what is gonna happen i would say :)

The Elf's Behind?

The second coming is an essential part of the barbaric Christian fairy tale. This is the point when the terror factor is executed. Without the threat of a second coming and the associated judgement day then the critical fear aspect so vital to Christianity would have no effect.

If one is gullible enough to have bought into the whole soul/salvation hogwash then the second coming is simply a key fantasy component of the same nonsense.

The biggest biblical event if true which is set to happen to a certain generation. Know 1 knows the time or day, not even the angels in Heaven, but Jesus gave us predictions which seem to be coming to pass such as increase earthquakes, floods, famines etc

But the day will come like a thief in the night!.... a load of religious mumbo jumbo or any truth to the second coming foretold in the bible?

U decide
theres a NEVER option missing in your poll,

according to your buybull book Jesus promised to return in within one generation that was couple thousands years back and b/c he didnt yet it means HE LIED.
he was just a mortal man it seems,get used to it

www.geocities.com/inquisitive79 click on Jesus second coming

Is there really an increase in natural disasters, or are they simply being more widely reported?
If so, I have an alternate theory, one with evidence, global warming.
Most likely, though, Global Warming is just part of an endless cycle of global-scale warming and cooling periods. Sure, we've sped up the process, but probably not by a huge amount.
As for natural disasters being seen as part of the whole BoR...bah. Like you said, they're just being more widely reported. Hell, disasters from earlier in earth's history have been worse and bigger...Krakatoa, anyone? Little Ice Age? The K-T meteor impact(s)? Compared to then, we're just getting dust specks on our shoes.

he was just a mortal man it seems,get used to it
And, a criminal mortal man at that. His execution was deserved for one who broke Roman law and committed damn near Treason against Rome.

Yep. Isn't God great? To create a world out of love and only to plan on destroying the fuck out of it with so-called love and then judging most of his beloved creatures to the enternal fires of hell.

Because of this ridiculous aspect of Armageddon, I choose not to believe it. And even if it should come true, I choose hell because I wouldn't want to live beside a being who decided to send some of my fellow human beings to hell for eternity for some sins done on hell. It's just not right. NO human being deserves hell, not for eternity.

Most likely, though, Global Warming is just part of an endless cycle of global-scale warming and cooling periods. Sure, we've sped up the process, but probably not by a huge amount.

Not by a huge amount?!!! Are you fucking kidding me? The temperature change has been 4 degrees. Ice age happened due to ONLY 15 degrees of difference. only 15! 4/15=26% and that's just over the last 20 or so years!!!

NOt to mention, humans may be contributing billion ton to damage the ozone, but the sun annually contributes 8 billion ton. (My stats on this one isn't too true; but what's true is that the sun does emit a lot of COs which damage our ozone layer).

If all the dinosaurs were wiped out before us, it'll only be a matter of time before it happens to us.

Perhaps the dinosaurs were lifted into heaven after the second coming of Josusaur?

And even if it should come true, I choose hell because I wouldn't want to live beside a being who decided to send some of my fellow human beings to hell for eternity for some sins done on hell..

Sounds to me like you've misunderstood the gospel. God doesn't want to send anyone to Hell, people make that choice.

It would be interesting to list all the things that put people in hell according to the Bible...

It would be interesting to list all the things that put people in hell according to the Bible...



The list is endless and often for the most trivial things. :bugeye:

Didn't he already come? How else could he have fathered two children in the South of France?

before God will return,there will be tribulations,and it's already happening..there will be persecution of the Christians,and force them to worship the image of the beast,and if they don't,they will be killer..the NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW

*Killed,I mean...I wrote,killer,lol..my mistake

who da fk cares?

You can edit your post,
and when hasn't there been tribulations?
And does tribulation mean anything different than trouble?
And who's persecuting Christians anyway?

You can edit your post,
and when hasn't there been tribulations?
And does tribulation mean anything different than trouble?
And who's persecuting Christians anyway?

who da fk cares? get a life brother there are more important things in life like sex, drugs, and sex.

I'm at work, I'm making $22 an hour right now, and the sad thing is, Michelle is the only one interesting around here.

I'm at work, and the sad thing is, Michelle is the only one interesting around here.

get her brother, dont miss your chance.

I don't want her, and it's only interesting like a car crash, not like, you know, someone with a brain.

I don't want her, and it's only interesting like a car crash, not like, you know, someone with a brain. ahh,u wanna makeout?;)

So what is the typical time period between comings? When much younger it could be mattter of minutes, but know it is a matter of hours.

But for someone all-powerful I imagine perhaps continuous bliss.

Since you ask..

After two millenniums have passed..

According to this prophecy..


"And behold, the Christ come quickly, for a millennium will pass and near another and there will be made a sign in the heavens. And you will know this star that called the wise and all-knowing to Bethlehem. Seek there the star at the appointed time, and all spirit will rejoice in the reward, even unto those who come out of the body, that every man according as his work shall be".

And there was great light and there stood before me Jesus the Christ. And He spake thus, that I may know the authority of the angel. And bade "Watch for the star that was foretold by the prophet Jacob, that you will know the time of the second coming, when I will enter all hearts".

"He which testifieth these things saith, "Surely I come quickly. Even as night follows day, so shall century follow century, until the second millennium is nigh".

Amen. Even so, come, Christ light."

Extracts from the . . "Third Book of the Apocalypse".


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he isnt coming - i will put a $100 bucks on it

Anyone want in??

How about $100 on that he dosen't even exist?

sounds good !!

How about $100 on that he dosen't even exist?

Presuming you are responding to the prophecy..

Depends on what you mean by exist.

Do you mean.. exist.. in a material sense..?

Or do you mean.. exist.. as a spirit..?

Just like to clear that up.. before I collect my winnings..

before God will return,

good Morning Michelle

i hope you are well and thank you for your post

How do you mean "before God will return", this sort of implies that he has been here before, i thought god cruises in heavan

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I don't believe in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine.

Oh! You can just pick and choose what parts to believe or not?? No wonder no two christians can ever agree on anything.

Oh! You can just pick and choose what parts to believe or not?? No wonder no two christians can ever agree on anything.

No. It’s not about picking it or not. The Bibles does not support the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture. It supports a second coming rapture (post -trib). The left behind people "pre-tribulation believers” have created a doctrine that was not there in the first place. Its a very enticing doctrine because they are being told that they will not face persecution for their faith in Jesus, But the bible clearly states that we will face death for our belief in Jesus.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

But the bible clearly states that we will face death for our belief in Jesus.
That's a shame. I feel bad for you all.

Well superluminal everyone dies it does not matter if one dies at the hands of an executioner or if one dies of old age in their bed. So it’s no big deal. Our deaths are just a transition into an eternal state of being and for followers of Jesus that eternal state is one of Love and Joy, But for those who will not be joining us their deaths are a stepping stone into an eternity of torment in the eternal lake of fire. So don't feel sorrow for us. We have an eternal perspective and it looks great. :) Feel sorrow for those who persecute and execute us they face an eternal state so horrible it's too terrible to contemplate.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Feel sorrow for those who persecute and execute us they face an eternal state so horrible it's too terrible to contemplate.

Would that be the innevitable 'fate-worse-than-the-fate-worse-than-the-fate-worse-than-the-fate-worse-than-death?'

Well, its not yet but who knows when it will be.

1516 CE - This was the year the fifth Lateran Council got together and said, "Enough, already!!!" and banned all apocalyptic prophecy throughout all Christendom... This lasted, oh, maybe, five minutes.

1524 CE - A banner year for apocalyptic prophecies! Why this particular year ended up having such an extended busy season is a mystery. But it certainly kept the populace hopping. Moreover, the prophecies for this year actually ran along a "theme",... a bit like Rose Parade floats. "Great Floods Of The Coming Apocalypse" seemed to be the mania-du-jour and astrologers from one end of Europe to another competed to see who could come up with the most outstanding death-by-deluge scenario.

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1901 CE - The new century got off to a flying start by giving a great, big thumbs down to Reverend Baxter's millennium.

1908 CE - Lacking that future fixture of the check-out line, the tabloid rag display, Pennsylvania grocer Lee T. Spangler began filling his idle hours at the cash register by telling his customers about his spiffy end of the world vision. Pretty soon, the local papers were printing his fire and brimstone babblings and in no time, the prophetic produce peddler found himself with quite a following. Certain that the world would come to a spectacular fiery finish in October, Spangler and his fans were quite put-out when the month came and went without so much as a heat wave.

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I dont believe I will ever personally witness a second coming, one of my rather experienced X-girlfriends said she experienced one first hand though.;)

one of my rather experienced X-girlfriends said she experienced one first hand though.;)
What was she doing with her first hand?

What was she doing with her first hand?

:D :D

:D :D
Oh, I wish I never bothered to ask!!

The biggest biblical event if true which is set to happen to a certain generation. Know 1 knows the time or day, not even the angels in Heaven, but Jesus gave us predictions which seem to be coming to pass such as increase earthquakes, floods, famines etc

But the day will come like a thief in the night!.... a load of religious mumbo jumbo or any truth to the second coming foretold in the bible?

U decide
The second coming as in a literal person isn't going to happen as the first never did. Since Jesus was the sun god Horus, I suppose you can pick the sun rise of any day to be coming number 1 in the number line and the next mourning would be number 2. Of course the day before would be his zeroth coming...
Seriously the new testament and portions of the old is astrology mixed with moral teachings, so to understand the new testament one HAS to understand astrology.
There are 12 and a bit lunar cycles in a year. Amazingly somehow ancient and I mean at least ten thousand years ancient people understood axis precession. The earth’s orbital axis processes at one revolution every 25800 years. If one divided that into 24 *days* for lack of a better term then a day is as 1075 years. I guess that’s not so poetic, so the bible rounds it and has it that a day is as 1000 years. Each mourning as the sun rises among constellations of stars it advances a bit due to the procession and orbit and so the ancients divided the constellations of stars that it rises among into 12 and a bit constellations in an analogy to the 12 and a bit lunar cycles in a year. In other words there are 12 zodiac constellations defining 12 AGES and a 13th constellation that arguably should be a part of the zodiac, but is normally left off. So 13 was an unlucky number even before the templar slaughter. Since the sun, Jesus, is surrounded by 12 amongst other reasons, Jesus had twelve disciples. If the ages are taken to be evenly divided amongst the precession period then an age is two *days* or is 2150 years. However, the stars aren't that evenly angularly separated and so one could take an age as commencing when the sun rise first occurs amongst the stars of the next constellation of the zodiac at spring equinox. If the latter be the case, then the age of Aquarius doesn't start for another ~600 years. If one assumed that 1 CE was what was meant biblically by the commencement of that age which was peices, and so consistently takes the ages as 2150 years then the age of Aquarius is in 2151 CE.
Now we turn to the bible for what this has to do with the end of the world and the return of Horus as a person(son of man).
Really the bible doesn't refer to the world ending. That’s a matter of translation.
KJV Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
ESV
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
NIV
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
NASB
teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, (A)I am with you always, even to (B)the end of the age.
And the list goes on.
So what we are really talking about isn't the end of the world, but the end of the age.
Now given the difficulty discerning where one should define the transition between ages it should make sense what was said regarding the return of the son of man:
NKJV Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Whoever wrote down Matthew and the Revelation of John did think that there was a person Horus which was called Jesus son of man who was the god of the sun. I think they were asserting that he would return as a person in form somewhere at the transition into the new age, two *days* after the time they claimed that he had come the first time. This wouldn’t be until sometime after about 2150 CE though its possible that they could have meant after entrance into the next constellation which won’t be for about another 600 years. Either way, you have yet to totally convince me that Jesus ever actually existed as a person “the first time”.

Lol!! Christians are loony. They should be arrested for being delusional and dangerous to sane people.

Trilairian:

Horus wasn't a sun God.

Yes he was.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2BHorus+%2B%22sun+god%22
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%2B%22Eye+of+Horus%22+%2Bsun
At least do your homework before jumping to the conclusion that I am wrong based on nothing more than the fact that what I said contradicts the mythical version of history that you have been deceived with.

The second coming as in a literal person isn't going to happen as the first never did. Since Jesus was the sun god Horus, I suppose you can pick the sun rise of any day to be coming number 1 in the number line and the next mourning would be number 2. Of course the day before would be his zeroth coming...
Seriously the new testament and portions of the old is astrology mixed with moral teachings, so to understand the new testament one HAS to understand astrology.
There are 12 and a bit lunar cycles in a year. Amazingly somehow ancient and I mean at least ten thousand years ancient people understood axis precession. The earth’s orbital axis processes at one revolution every 25800 years. If one divided that into 24 *days* for lack of a better term then a day is as 1075 years. I guess that’s not so poetic, so the bible rounds it and has it that a day is as 1000 years. Each mourning as the sun rises among constellations of stars it advances a bit due to the procession and so the ancients divided the constellations of stars that it rises among into 12 and a bit constellations in an analogy to the 12 and a bit lunar cycles in a year. In other words there are 12 zodiac constellations defining 12 AGES and a 13th constellation that arguably should be a part of the zodiac, but is normally left off. So 13 was an unlucky number even before the templar slaughter. Since the sun, Jesus, is surrounded by 12 amongst other reasons, Jesus had twelve disciples. If the ages are taken to be evenly divided amongst the precession period then an age is two *days* or is 2150 years. However, the stars aren't that evenly angularly separated and so one could take an age as commencing when the sun rise first occurs amongst the stars of the next constellation of the zodiac. If the latter be the case, then the age of Aquarius doesn't start for another ~600 years. If one assumed that 1 CE was what was meant biblically by the commencement of that age which was peices, and so consistently takes the ages as 2150 years then the age of Aquarius is in 2151 CE.
Now we turn to the bible for what this has to do with the end of the world and the return of Horus as a person(son of man).
Really the bible doesn't refer to the world ending. That’s a matter of translation.
KJV Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
ESV
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
NIV
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
NASB
teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, (A)I am with you always, even to (B)the end of the age.
And the list goes on.
So what we are really talking about isn't the end of the world, but the end of the age.
Now given the difficulty discerning where one should define the transition between ages it should make sense what was said regarding the return of the son of man:
NKJV Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Whoever wrote down Matthew and the Revelation of John did think that there was a person Horus which was called Jesus son of man who was the god of the sun. I think they were asserting that he would return as a person in form somewhere at the transition into the new age, two *days* after the time they claimed that he had come the first time. This wouldn’t be until sometime after about 2150 CE though its possible that they could have meant after entrance into the next constellation which won’t be for about another 600 years. Either way, you have yet to totally convince me that Jesus ever actually existed as a person “the first time”.
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M*W: Well said. I couldn't agree with you more!

Trilairian:

The "true" God of the sun in Egyptian mythology was Ra. Horus was first and foremost, a God of the sky, and later had attributes of both the Sun and Moon (as his two eyes) absorbed into him, but Ra remained perpetually the sun figure. It is thus only half-true, at BEST, to call Horus a sun God, specifically when the sun could not even be said to be his prime attribute even when it was accorded to him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/r/re.html
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/horus.html

Trilairian:

Other objections to your theories:

"Amazingly somehow ancient and I mean at least ten thousand years ancient people understood axis precession."

What proof do you have for "10,000 year old ancient people"? We have records only going back to c. 3000 BC, when writing was invented by the Sumerians.

"I guess that’s not so poetic, so the bible rounds it and has it that a day is as 1000 years"

Where does the Bible round this off?

"In other words there are 12 zodiac constellations defining 12 AGES and a 13th constellation that arguably should be a part of the zodiac, but is normally left off. "

Where do you get this idea of an astrological "age"? As far as I know, this is a New Age concept that only emerged within the last century.

"So 13 was an unlucky number even before the templar slaughter."

How do you judge that?

" If the ages are taken to be evenly divided amongst the precession period then an age is two *days* or is 2150 years. However, the stars aren't that evenly angularly separated and so one could take an age as commencing when the sun rise first occurs amongst the stars of the next constellation of the zodiac. If the latter be the case, then the age of Aquarius doesn't start for another ~600 years. If one assumed that 1 CE was what was meant biblically by the commencement of that age which was peices, and so consistently takes the ages as 2150 years then the age of Aquarius is in 2151 CE."

What foundation in Judeo-Christianity do you have for affirming any of this?

"So what we are really talking about isn't the end of the world, but the end of the age. "

Might you be able to present to us the original Greek so we can decide if this "age" corresponds to the astrological term you are discussing?

Trilairian:

The "true" God of the sun in Egyptian mythology was Ra. Horus was first and foremost, a God of the sky, and later had attributes of both the Sun and Moon (as his two eyes) absorbed into him, but Ra remained perpetually the sun figure. It is thus only half-true, at BEST, to call Horus a sun God, specifically when the sun could not even be said to be his prime attribute even when it was accorded to him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/r/re.html
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/horus.html

Now your back peddling. Horus inherited the sun from Ra father of Osiris father of Horus. And as I already showed, You were wrong.

Trilairian:

Other objections to your theories:

What theories? I gave you the historical facts.

"Amazingly somehow ancient and I mean at least ten thousand years ancient people understood axis precession."

What proof do you have for "10,000 year old ancient people"?...
OMG open an anthropoligy text.

"I guess that’s not so poetic, so the bible rounds it and has it that a day is as 1000 years"

Where does the Bible round this off?
NKJV 2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

"In other words there are 12 zodiac constellations defining 12 AGES and a 13th constellation that arguably should be a part of the zodiac, but is normally left off. "

Where do you get this idea of an astrological "age"? As far as I know, this is a New Age concept that only emerged within the last century.
Since when is new age new? New age crap is the anchient sumer-egypto-babylon mystery religions reimerging. It is what The author of Revalation refered to as the religion Mystery Babylon. The sphinx has the head of a woman, virgo and the body of a lion Leo representing that the transition from the age of virgo to leo took place. It was the age of Leo 10500 years ago. Thats why it makes sense that the geologists are convinced that the sphinx dates to over 10000 years old. Now the egyptians and other cultures across the planet several thousand years ago built monument sites in patterns that matched certain constelations, but the orientations only match at about 10500 years ago, so not only did they understand procession, but they knew how constilations were aligned in regard to the earth several thousand years before. That age was significant to them for some reason and we don't know why so there is a lot of very far out speculation regarding that matter.

"So 13 was an unlucky number even before the templar slaughter."

How do you judge that?
Because to be 13th is to get left out.

" If the ages are taken to be evenly divided amongst the precession period then an age is two *days* or is 2150 years. However, the stars aren't that evenly angularly separated and so one could take an age as commencing when the sun rise first occurs amongst the stars of the next constellation of the zodiac. If the latter be the case, then the age of Aquarius doesn't start for another ~600 years. If one assumed that 1 CE was what was meant biblically by the commencement of that age which was peices, and so consistently takes the ages as 2150 years then the age of Aquarius is in 2151 CE."

What foundation in Judeo-Christianity do you have for affirming any of this?The transition into the age of peices was to transition out of the age of the ram/lamb. So the transition taking place at that time was astrologicaly the sacrifice of the lamb and the birth of the Christian fish god. Christianity IS this astrology. That is the basis. There is no historical evidence for the existance of an actual historical man Jesus, but all the life story is a reflection of the astrology of the time. The pagans took the sun god and the astrological events along with some moral teachings and created cristianity as the story of a person as if actually living at the time of Herod Antipas.


"So what we are really talking about isn't the end of the world, but the end of the age. "

Might you be able to present to us the original Greek so we can decide if this "age" corresponds to the astrological term you are discussing?
Original greek yes that proves my point. There was NO HEBREW. The original was greek, a gentile pagan story incorporating Jews.
Fine:
Matthew 28:20
<Font Face=Symbol>didaskonteV autouV threin panta osa eneteilamhn umin
kai idou egw meq umwn eimi pasaV taV hmeraV ewV thV sunteleiaV tou aiwnoV</Font>

Trilairian:

"Now your back peddling. Horus inherited the sun from Ra father of Osiris father of Horus. And as I already showed, You were wrong. "

He inheritted the sun...and that is why the sun was neither his main attribute, nor did the cult of Ra (which was later even given a brief stint as a solar MONOTHEISTIC deity) die out? Moreover, a solar deity does not have the sun merely as an attribute, but as a -chief- attribute. Even if we admit Horus is related to the sun via some later myths (which never took away the solar prominence of Ra) we must admit that it was not his main attribute, but just a manifestation of one of his eyes, the one not gouged by Set.

"OMG open an anthropoligy text."

Last I checked, the only 10,000 year old people were neolithic survivors of the Ice Age...No advanced civilizations, specifically with the capacities to make large scale, precise astronomical calculations.

"NKJV 2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

The connection with the astrological number is tenuous at best. A thousand years is a normal metaphor for "a very long time".

"Since when is new age new?"

Since it emerged in the 1960's as a part of hippie culture? And with maybe some precedent in late 19th century spiritualism and other quackery?

"New age crap is the anchient sumer-egypto-babylon mystery religions reimerging."

Um...no? It has no historic or doctrinal connection to those systems. Which, by the way, are for the most part lost.

"The sphinx has the head of a woman"

...According to?

"Thats why it makes sense that the geologists are convinced that the sphinx dates to over 10000 years old."

Which geologist, pray tell? What historian?

"Because to be 13th is to get left out."

Odd that no Zodiac system seems to have "left things out", yet you say there ought to be 13 Zodiac?

"The transition into the age of peices was to transition out of the age of the ram/lamb. So the transition taking place at that time was astrologicaly the sacrifice of the lamb and the birth of the Christian fish god. "

Aren't you grasping straws here? Considering the cultural malleability of the zodiac and the highly unlikely nature of Earthly events according to pseudo-scientific astrological beliefs?

"There is no historical evidence for the existance of an actual historical man Jesus, but all the life story is a reflection of the astrology of the time. "

Highly debatable. But yes, it is not rock solid that he existed.

"The pagans took the sun god and the astrological events along with some moral teachings and created cristianity as the story of a person as if actually living at the time of Herod Antipas."

St. Paul was the main contributor to Christianity as a system apart from Jesus. Are you claiming he too was a "pagan who took astrology"?

"Original greek yes that proves my point. There was NO HEBREW. The original was greek, a gentile pagan story incorporating Jews."

Or the language of the educated in the Roman Empire and for the new gentile audience...

"Fine:
Matthew 28:20
didaskonteV autouV threin panta osa eneteilamhn umin
kai idou egw meq umwn eimi pasaV taV hmeraV ewV thV sunteleiaV tou aiwnoV"

"The term “age” defines the meaning of the Greek word “aion” more closely than the word “world” when speaking about a period of time. The term “system of things” is also a good way to express “aion” and covers more than just a reference to a time period. The New Simplified Bible uses the words age and world because they are familiar to most Bible readers. In some Scripture verses a few words of clarification are added in (parentheses). For example at Hebrews 1:2 “age (Greek: aion: ages of time, perpetuity, worlds, generations, human entities) "

http://www.webspawner.com/users/newsimplifiedbible/nsbnotesworldag.html

"System of things" does not correspond to "astrological age".

The sphinx has the head of a woman, virgo and the body of a lion Leo representing that the transition from the age of virgo to leo took place.

I'm well read in Egyptology and no of no serious scholars that make such a connection. The sphinx has the apparent face of Khafre as compared to other figures in the round of this pharoh that exist. It sits at the end of causeway from Khafre's pyramid facing the Nile and can be assumed to be the guardian of Khafre's pyramid. The Sphinx sits at the site of a quarry used to obtain stones for building the pyramid and temples for Khafre.

It was the age of Leo 10500 years ago. Thats why it makes sense that the geologists are convinced that the sphinx dates to over 10000 years old.

Only one or two crackpot geologists (Robert Shoch comes to mind) think this. Egyptian cutlure at the end of the Pleistocene wasn't complex enough to have engaged in public architecture on this scale. Neolithic (both pre- and post-pottery) were still figuring out how to shape microlithics, domesticate crops and animals like ovicaprids and bovids, and were only just beginning to reach population levels were large public works could be acheived.

Now the egyptians and other cultures across the planet several thousand years ago built monument sites in patterns that matched certain constelations, but the orientations only match at about 10500 years ago, so not only did they understand procession, but they knew how constilations were aligned in regard to the earth several thousand years before.

This is another serious logical fallacy that is only propagated by a few crackpots and not serious scholars. Basically what the crackpots are doing is taking a near infinite number of points in the sky and correlating them to a few points on the ground. The 10,500 year age of these monuments has been demonstrated to be poppycock in so many ways, not the least of which is the records of the Egyptians themselves along with the dating of various materials associated with pyramid construction.

That age was significant to them for some reason and we don't know why so there is a lot of very far out speculation regarding that matter.

Very far out indeed. The speculations include exaggerated antiquity of man (unsupported by any paleoarchaeological record) and ancient astronauts. It would be easier to claim that the Egyptian pharohs were, indeed, gods on earth.

I already proved the both of you wrong. Feel free to post again after you've actually done some reading regarding the information I gave you as you will have to eat your words.

Medicine Woman, how about you take over the mythic conception of Jesus? You are generally far more lucid in your arguments and well read on the matter.

I already proved the both of you wrong. Feel free to post again after you've actually done some reading regarding the information I gave you as you will have to eat your words.

I saw no proof that discounts the factual information I provided. Perhaps some of what you've said in other posts was accurate, I only took the time to address the gross inaccuracies I noticed with regard to your speculative claims about the sphinx and other monumental architecture in Egypt. With regard to that, you are dead wrong and have supplied no valid "proof."

I proved both of you wrong and Medicine Woman agreed with what I wrote. You two are insane.

Insane? What "proof" do you have that demonstrates monumental construction in pre-dynastic Egypt? What was the post # this alleged "proof" was in. I certainly didn't see it. Medicine Woman's agreement with you doesn't even rise to the level of a good fallacious appeal to authority.

I'd thank you to retract your ad hominem accusation of insanity and actually show some evidence that goes beyond crackpot speculation. If you cannot, then why should anyone bother taking you serious from here on out?

You said: Thats why it makes sense that the geologists are convinced that the sphinx dates to over 10000 years old. This is simply not true. One crackpot geologist that I'm aware of has suggested this. One. And Schoch's wild speculation has been debunked. Other crackpots have offered additional wild speculations about "alignments of Giza to Orion" etc. These, too, have been debunked.

I proved both of you wrong and Medicine Woman agreed with what I wrote. You two are insane.

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M*W: I did not agree with your proving Skinwalker insane, nor did I agree wtih your insane philosophy. I only agreed with your thoughts on astro-theology. Think what you wish about me, but I stand behind Skinwalker before I stand behind you!