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View Full Version : How high B.P. can be lowered without medicines?
plakhapate 03-13-08, 02:07 AM After the age 40 most of the people have high B.P. problem.
Most of the alopathy medicines have side effects.
Hence how to lower high B.P. without medicines?
P.J.LAKHAPATE
plakhapate@gmail.com
Asguard 03-13-08, 03:22 AM dont eat fatty meats and lots of salt, exercise ect
Fraggle Rocker 03-13-08, 05:50 AM Caffeine is a natural vasoconstrictor. Give up coffee, tea, cola, chocolate, etc.--for the rest of your life.
Eventually you reach a point where you decide that you'd rather take the medicine. :)
ElectricFetus 03-13-08, 08:01 AM Very Low calorie diet, less carbs, less meat, less everything, your breakfast launch and dinner should consist of a bole of salad, a handful of nuts and a side dish of air. Not only will your cardiovascular system be flushed cleaned the chronic starvation will keep you alive much longer due to reduced rate of cellular replication and damaged produced for metabolism. In studies with rodents they were able to increase their life spans by up to 50% (from 3 years to 4.5, for humans it would be from 75 to 100) although some of the mice shot them selves.
Too much gunk in your arteries cause blood pressure problems (besides chronic stress like staying mad all the time). That may be due to the fact that less blood flows to the capillaries which sends a signal for more blood etc....there was another thread somewhere about keeping artery clean....
Asguard 03-13-08, 01:55 PM Sorry i should have posted this before
BP is made up of two things
Cadiac Output multiplied by periferal resistance. The second one is where the BP generally goes up with age because the arteries are not as responcive and can fill up with plage or it could be static blood clots (thombosis) that fill them
Cadiac Output is made up of stroke volume multiplied by heart rate. As your heart rate goes up (through stress or lowered fitness levels) so does your blood pressure
What and where the sensors are to measure the Cardiac output? What the sensors are based on? i.e. do they measure the oxygen content or only blood volume or a host of the parameters?
Is not there medications that act on these measurements and signals that tells the heart what to do?
mikenostic 03-13-08, 02:13 PM Drinking plenty of(but not excess) water/staying hydrated can lower your BP as well, can't it?
Asguard 03-13-08, 02:16 PM kmguru:
Hang on what are we talking about?
How PEOPLE mesure it or how the body does?
If its how people do i have no idea, as far as i know its not mesured.
If your talking about the body then we are talking about both the nervious system and the beta 1 and beta 2 receptors. I dont think Co is "mesured" per say like CO2 is messured, i THINK its a bi product of other body reactions ie the interaction between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nevious systems. The para sympathetic is always resisting whatever the sympathetic wants to do so if you start excercising the sympathetic system increases activation without increase in the parasympathetic and so your heart rate increases, breathing, periferal arteries open up flooding the mussles with fresh blood ect
As for medications yes there are, they are the beta blockers
Searching for what stimulates the sympathetic nerves, I found this interesting item. Enjoy.
http://breathing.com/articles/oxygen.htm
plakhapate 03-17-08, 12:58 AM Does Corn silk tea help in reducing high B.P.?
P.J.LAKHAPATE
plakhapate@rediffmail.com
lucifers angel 03-17-08, 08:08 AM Caffeine is a natural vasoconstrictor. Give up coffee, tea, cola, chocolate, etc.--for the rest of your life.
Eventually you reach a point where you decide that you'd rather take the medicine. :)
stop drinking coffee for the rest of your life, damn it, i cant even go 3 hours without a coffee
Does Corn silk tea help in reducing high B.P.?
P.J.LAKHAPATE
plakhapate@rediffmail.com
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After the age 40 most of the people have high B.P. problem.
Most of the alopathy medicines have side effects.
Hence how to lower high B.P. without medicines?
P.J.LAKHAPATE
plakhapate@gmail.com
Hypertension or high blood pressure is a sign that the heart is being overworked. Untreated it could lead to congestive heart failure or atherosclerosis or stroke.
There are three simple ways to reduce the load on your heart:
1. Weight loss.
2. Decrease sodium and fluid retention
3. Improve muscle tone of heart.
For weight loss, the ideal is to eat a balanced weight reducing diet, with greater emphasis on consumption of fruits and vegetables. Cut down intake of fats, sugar, soft drinks, caffeinated beverages, desserts. Anything that leads to increase in the triglyceride and free fatty acid levels in your blood. This also reduces your chances of getting atherosclerosis.
Salt and fluid retention can be reduced by going on a low sodium diet. Substitute lemon juice for salt on salads, monitor and gradually reduce sodium intake to about 1000 mgs a day.
-Drink at least 8 glasses of water daily. Fluids like cranberry juice, grapefruit juice and herbal teas are good choices. The more well hydrated you are, the less your fluid retention
- Eat foods and fruits low in sodium or high in potassium. Citrus fruits and melons, salad vegetables (celery, lettuce, tomatoes, carrots, onions) are all high in potassium which balances sodium and helps eliminate fluids.
-Sufficient calcium intake is also required to maintain fluid balance. Aim for 1200-1500 mgs per day of calcium. This works out to around 2 glasses of milk and a cup of yoghurt.
-Eat a handful of unsalted nuts daily and try to substitute other meats with fatty fish like tuna at least 3X a week. Fatty fish contain omega 3 fatty acids which have beneficial effects on inflammation and free radical protection.
To improve your muscle tone, add 30 minutes of brisk exercise to your daily routine.
Does Corn silk tea help in reducing high B.P.?
P.J.LAKHAPATE
plakhapate@rediffmail.com
Corn silk tea has postulated benefits on hypertension through its actions in reducing fluid retention. You could try it. I drink it regularly as part of my herbal tea cache.
sowhatifit'sdark 03-17-08, 10:16 AM Meditation.
Find stressful elements in your life and see if they can be changed or you can change your relationship to them or both.
Enjoy yourself.
Don't assume that watching a thriller or a horror movie is relaxing.
Get out in nature.
Fraggle Rocker 03-17-08, 04:45 PM stop drinking coffee for the rest of your life, damn it, i cant even go 3 hours without a coffeeIf you are ever diagnosed with high blood pressure you'll probably have to give it up. I couldn't live with as much caffeine in my blood as you have as a steady state, they'd have to scrape me off the ceiling. But just one cup of tea shoots it up from 120 to 140, and two more push it to 160.Meditation.The Hindu/yogi type of meditation that has become popular in the West is very slow and difficult for many people to learn. My wife has tried a Buddhist style (Vipassana) that seems to be a little more compatible with Western cognitive processes. It's too early to tell whether the benefits are as great as those claimed by the old school. I have a friend who meditates for several hours every day and half the weekend. I'm no expert but I'd be inclined to say it's not really working.Find stressful elements in your life and see if they can be changed or you can change your relationship to them or both.Psychotherapy is very good with things like this which don't go quite as deep as the stereotypical revelation, "My mother never loved me." It's a lot less difficult and painful to figure out that you miss an old hobby, your car seat gives you neck tension, or you need to wear an iPod at the office.Don't assume that watching a thriller or a horror movie is relaxing.Yeah, but don't assume that it isn't either. For many people they're cathartic.Get out in nature.Just get outside, period. A lot of people never see true daylight during the short-day months. Everyone needs about half an hour of solar-spectrum light every day. It recalibrates our circadian rhythm, which for reasons not yet understood is set for a 26-hour day. These days it's not very expensive to install solar-spectrum compact fluorescent bulbs in your home or office lighting. Just make sure you turn them off four or five hours before bedtime or your body will really be confused.
Asguard 03-17-08, 07:02 PM it depends if the blood presure increase is biological or psycological (ie anxiaty)
if its biological (ie your overweight, you have a high salt diat) then no amount of relaxation excercise is going to have an impact but if its axiaty based (to much sympathetic arousal) then things like diaphramatic breathing and deep musle relaxation can help a great deal
Pandaemoni 03-18-08, 01:22 AM Whatever the cause, a course of leeches can reduce blood pressure temporarily (I assume...how could it not?)
well yeah...just leech the blood out...and than you will have no pressure...
Asguard 03-18-08, 01:47 AM so would me stabing you in the heart:p
In fact that would not only drop the total volume but also drop your CO to zero:p
lucifers angel 03-18-08, 05:44 AM If you are ever diagnosed with high blood pressure you'll probably have to give it up. I couldn't live with as much caffeine in my blood as you have as a steady state, they'd have to scrape me off the ceiling. But just one cup of tea shoots it up from 120 to 140, and two more push it to 160.The Hindu/yogi type of meditation that has become popular in the West is very slow and difficult for many people to learn. My wife has tried a Buddhist style (Vipassana) that seems to be a little more compatible with Western cognitive processes. It's too early to tell whether the benefits are as great as those claimed by the old school. I have a friend who meditates for several hours every day and half the weekend. I'm no expert but I'd be inclined to say it's not really working.Psychotherapy is very good with things like this which don't go quite as deep as the stereotypical revelation, "My mother never loved me." It's a lot less difficult and painful to figure out that you miss an old hobby, your car seat gives you neck tension, or you need to wear an iPod at the office.Yeah, but don't assume that it isn't either. For many people they're cathartic.Just get outside, period. A lot of people never see true daylight during the short-day months. Everyone needs about half an hour of solar-spectrum light every day. It recalibrates our circadian rhythm, which for reasons not yet understood is set for a 26-hour day. These days it's not very expensive to install solar-spectrum compact fluorescent bulbs in your home or office lighting. Just make sure you turn them off four or five hours before bedtime or your body will really be confused.
i do have high blood presure and yes i have been told to cut down a lot on caffine, and not only coffee but pepsi aswell, seeing that i drink about 6 cans a day!
Captain Kremmen 03-18-08, 07:50 AM Option 1.
Lose weight. Excercise more. Restrict salt intake.
Option 2
Pills
I know that option 1 is the sensible choice, but
I'm in the option 2 bracket.
Fraggle Rocker 03-18-08, 02:51 PM Whatever the cause, a course of leeches can reduce blood pressure temporarily (I assume...how could it not?)Viagra will do the same thing and the histamic side effect could come in handy. BTW, obviously many antihistamines work by vasoconstriction so they will increase BP.i do have high blood presure and yes i have been told to cut down a lot on caffine, and not only coffee but pepsi aswell, seeing that i drink about 6 cans a day!Good goddess, six cans of cola contain as much caffeine as six cups of coffee if it's not professionally brewed. Dr. Pepper, Mountain Dew, and a number of newer soft drinks are also deliberately spiked with caffeine.Option 1: Lose weight. Exercise more. Restrict salt intake.Losing weight is difficult and slow, and it often unmasks devastating emotional problems for which food is a palliative. Furthermore, people who go on crash diets, especially more than once in a lifetime, run the risk of their metabolism dropping into permanent famine adaptation. When the diet is over they find that their bodies have become so efficient both at extracting calories from food and at not wasting them, that their maintenance diet is 500 calories lower than ours. This makes it doubly hard for them to keep the weight off. You should never try to lose more than about one pound per month.
An exercise program is somewhat easier both to launch and to keep going, and it is likely to release endorphins that provide modest relief from emotional problems. In addition it can reshape the body, augmenting the vanity effect of weight loss.
Reducing salt intake isn't so difficult, unless your diet is primarily fast food and convenience food, in which case you probably don't care about your health anyway and you wouldn't be reading this thread. :) I was accustomed to the taste of too much salt, but my wife doesn't use a lot of it in her cooking and I found that soon my taste adapted and I stopped noticing the absence at all.Option 2: Pills. I know that option 1 is the sensible choice, but I'm in the option 2 bracket.Just take one from Option 1 and try a little more physical activity. Not going to a gym, just walking more and stuff like that. You'll probably find that you have more energy, so it won't even take away any of your time. And it will probably improve your mood.
Asguard 03-18-08, 05:13 PM FR its very danorious to sugest self medicating with a vasodilator to reduce BP
lucifers angel 03-19-08, 03:09 AM FR its very danorious to sugest self medicating with a vasodilator to reduce BP
what is a vasodilator
Asguard 03-19-08, 03:13 AM im not sure if its spelled right but i cant find it in the spell checker
Anyway i will define it for you
Its a chemical that causes your perifery vascular system to open up so more blood flows to the skin and other exstremities. Heprin is an example of a drug that does this
lucifers angel 03-19-08, 03:28 AM im not sure if its spelled right but i cant find it in the spell checker
Anyway i will define it for you
Its a chemical that causes your perifery vascular system to open up so more blood flows to the skin and other exstremities. Heprin is an example of a drug that does this
i see now!
my husband takes meds for hgh blood pressure because he had a stroke a few years back! and he turned his life around!
Asguard 03-19-08, 03:37 AM asprin and worfrin are other commonly perscribed drugs that have the same effects. In the public domain they are refered to as "blood thiners" but as far as im aware on a pharmicological level what they really do is open the blood vessels. Beta blockers on the other hand supress the vasoconstritive effects of adrenilin and nor-adrenilin
At least i HOPE this infomation is corect, i havent done my pharmicology unit yet
Fraggle Rocker 03-19-08, 12:53 PM what is a vasodilatorA vasodilator relaxes the muscles in the blood vessels, allowing them to expand. The word is modern scientific Latin, from vas, meaning a vessel. The opposite is a vasoconstrictor, of which caffeine is one we all know best although we don't realize it. This is why pain medication often contains caffeine. Constricting blood vessels reduces blood flow, and reducing blood flow to nerve endings impairs their ability to send signals to the brain.
Vasodilation provides symptomatic relief from high blood pressure but may not correct the underlying cause, which may be a nutritional error such as excess salt or insufficient water, a physiological peculiarity such as caffeine hypersensitivity, or a more serious problem such as atherosclerosis (clots building up inside the blood vessels which reduce their cross section). Nonetheless symptomatic relief is urgent because it can stave off death long enough to give the patient an opportunity to work on the other problems. Regardless of the underlying cause of hypertension (high blood pressure), it puts stress on the tissues of the cardiovascular system, which can break and cause death without warning.Aspirin and warfarin are other commonly perscribed drugs that have the same effects. In the public domain they are refered to as "blood thinners" but as far as I'm aware on a pharmacological level what they really do is open the blood vessels. Beta blockers on the other hand suppress the vasoconstrictive effects of adrenalin and nor-adrenalin At least I HOPE this information is correct, I haven't done my pharmacology unit yet.I don't know anything about warfarin (not "worfrin," that is Klingon medicine :)) but that statement is not correct about aspirin. Vasodilation can be an indirect effect of aspirin but aspirin is not a direct vasodilator. Aspirin may sometimes stimulate certain processes that result in vasodilation, but it generally inhibits the production of certain biochemicals which cause vasodilation, thereby having the opposite effect. Aspirin cannot be depended on to cause vasodilation.
Aspirin works to reduce the probability of heart attacks and strokes because it truly is a blood thinner. It reduces the count of platelets in the blood, and platelets cause clotting, which is the prime mechanism in the blockage of arteries. This is unrelated to blood pressure.
Arginine and Niacin can be used as vasodilators that is safe to use. Garlic is supposed to be a peripheral vasodilator...
I heard chocolate lowers blood pressure...however when I eat chocolate my pressure seems to rise...
Actually Valerian root extract helps greatly.
http://www.vitaminsvitalityhealthsupplements.com/site/1349733/product/43-6057467
Fraggle Rocker 03-20-08, 06:16 AM I heard chocolate lowers blood pressure...however when I eat chocolate my pressure seems to rise...Cocoa solids contain caffeine. Pure cocoa butter, from which white chocolate is made, has none.
What makes up white chocolate is cocoa butter, milk solids, sugar and vanilla. Check the labels because some lesser brands forgo the cocoa butter at the expense of taste. According to the FDA if the white chocolate does not contain cocoa butter it cannot legally be called chocolate.
While the cocoa butter technically makes white chocolate chocolate, this butter is the by product of the process that makes the chocolate powder. It is the chocolate powder that we all enjoy and love.
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