I'm talking faking a couple of websites, maybe some official looking documents, then spreading it around on a few random forums like this one, and of course some Woooo wooo sites. I think it would be fun to see how far it would go. Maybe even get my own page on snoops.com! What do you think? (for or against is ok, also let me know if your willing to help :D)

The best would be if it takes off. Then you get show all the gullible people how gullible they really are.

Believe...you can't teach a sneetch.

But WOW you can have fun with them!

PM me with your ideas? as long as my sense of personal ethics don't feel strained, I'm in!

Will no one help us in our hour of need?....the execution is simple...but without a plan!

A true bull$hit artist is needed as a co-conspirator...

Conspiracy? You mean when one or more people plan something.. secretive?!

Conspiracy? You mean when one or more people plan something.. secretive?!

:D I know notheenk senor!

If I were to PM you right now saying lets high five if we ever happen to meet at the Denver airport.. would that be a conspriacy. A secret plan for something no one could ever prove without our given testimonies. :D

A better question would be:

"How easy would it be for a conspirator to get away with a conspiracy?"

The answer:

Very easy. Due to brainwashing, many people don't believe that conspiracies could possibly exist. People are very easily manipulated by such psychological engineering, especially the "smart" ones, who are usually more intellectually vested in the reality presented to them.

no Nixon tapes. Shhhh!

Easy, here goes:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KUPNT3GU

They're setting up offices. It's spiraling. It's sort of like a computer virus sometimes. Cannibalism is even involved, in some instances.

It's easy to start a conspiracy theory. Just go on television with important looking satellite photos - you can just download these - and speak as close a baritone as you can get about the WOMD 'clearly indicated' by the random, square buildings shown. It might help if you are black, because a lot of black people will be serving when the country goes to war against the country those buildings are (supposedly) in.

Spidey????
:bugeye:

It would be hard to start a conspiracy theory that some other nutcase has not already thought of, and placed on the internet.

Would be easy enough.. invent a character with built up unproveable credentials who claims something people would like to believe in, but has been in hiding/hidden (who knows). support it with a few websites. Might be worth it just for the traffic.. lol

You mean Andrea Rossi?:D

Here is a good example of what you guys are talking about: "zapatopi.net"

Ah, yes, the plight of the tree octopus...

What a coincidence, there's an advert on TV right now about the plight of Tree Octupi.
Bob Geldoff is doing it.

Look at this poor tree octopus, stranded in a Eucalyptus tree, Bejaysus.
(sad music)
For only $8 a month we could restore all its arms.
For just $2 a month, we could restore two of its arms and it could get out of the tree occasionally.
Or are you too mean to donate anything at all?
Look at this poor armless Octupus, and get your friggin' wallet out

http://www.clivejames.com/files/images/geldof.jpg
Get yere friggin' Money out!

Would be easy enough.. invent a character with built up unproveable credentials who claims something people would like to believe in, but has been in hiding/hidden (who knows). support it with a few websites. Might be worth it just for the traffic.. lol

Might just work! You could call him Rossi. I bet you could even build an entire network of believers around him with enough posts, websites and ambiguous news releases.

Especially if I could get support from a few dozen physics professors and NASA.

Especially if I could get support from a few dozen physics professors and NASA.

Exactly. Heck, don't even get support; just post some links showing someone talked about him at NASA once, then claim "NASA working with Rossi on reactor."

I think NASA wants patents of its own.

http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=73&pictureid=1018

So what can you read into this?:shrug:

This story about how Gene Labell the old Judo guy choked Steven Segal unconscious and then Segal pissed his pants had been going around of years, even 12 years ago it was part of the folklore of martial arts.

So I decided to quickly to Photoshop an image of Labell actually doing it, because I'm a shit stirrer. And the Aikido, or I should say the Aiki - Fruity types on that martial arts group were pissing me off.

Everyone on the martial arts forum said it was fake and the worst photoshop they'd even seen. I never claimed it was real.
But over the years its been coped, and posted on numerous blogs as the definitive image of Segal getting his ass kicked by an old man.
Gene Labell says it really happened but it was never actually photographed.

Warning, its not good but its been floating around the net for over 12 years.
Pretty good for a fake that everyone said was crap.

http://www.bullshido.net/images/features/baotm/lebell-seagal.jpg

Here's Josh Rogan talking about the incident.

http://lockflow.ironrealms.com/news/joe-rogan-talks-about-steven-segal-getting-choked-out-gene-lebell

http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=73&pictureid=1018

So what can you read into this?:shrug:



Style: Was Harry Truman so verbose?

The Autograph looks right, I must say.

And the paper, ink and typewriter must have checked out OK.
If it's a forgery, it is professionally done.

Added later.
Truman did have this circumlocutionary style.

Here's a quotation:
I do not believe there is a problem in this country or the world today which could not be settled if approached through the teaching of the Sermon on the Mount.

And from a letter of his to the Secretary of the interior:
I need not emphasize to you the importance of petroleum in the life of the Nation and the consequent necessity for assuring the adequate and continuous availability of this vital resource. You are requested to keep me informed concerning significant developments in the petroleum field, and to consider and recommend such steps as may be necessary appropriately to safeguard our petroleum future.

ie "Make it a priority to give me me information and your opinions regarding any significant development in Petroleum worldwide." In about three times the number of words.


I don't believe this is a genuine document written by Truman,
but I can't find any fault with it.
Remember that I am looking at a document that was produced before the age of the internet.
I can quickly check a variety of autographs. I can check to see whether he used phrases like "clear and present danger"- He did.
I can check on the history etc.
It would be far easier for someone now to produce such a forgery.


Whoever produced this had access to secret files from the time, had studied Truman's letters,
had a typewriter and ink and paper from the right period etc

If it is a fake, then that throws up a new puzzle.
Who would be capable of making it?

There is another conspiracy theory,
that the CIA have for years spread UFO disinformation.
That seems to fit this document.

Actually Captain that's a complete fake, or a faked fake. I'll explain what I mean. I believe someone put this document forward as a proof of the existence of an organisation called Majestic Twelve.
Which is a favourite bone of conspiracy theorists, I believe they manually inserted the name "Majestic Twelve into a existing document which was genuine.

Now what I did was insert the whole middle paragraph and placed the words onto a scan of an old blank piece of paper, using photoshop.

In writing that paragraph I just stylistically followed what was already written, inserting historical facts and pre-empting things that I knew were going to occur in 1948. Wikipedia is a useful resource for that.

The cleverest part of it was degrading the courier text so that it looked like the ink had spread as if on an old hand typed letter.

Like any forgery the details (imperfections) are important, but if you add enough titbits, most conspiracy nuts will believe it because that's what they want to believe. It only took about half an hour.

Or the document might be genuine and I'm just be a government lackey trying to debunk it. ;)

I think wouldn't take long to be uncovered.
Unless you had access to a document that no-one else had access to.
And you wouldn't have a genuine signature.
You would have to pretend it was a photocopy of an original.

A document, like that below, would be immensely hard for someone to produce an "original" version of.

I suppose you could put it on the internet and claim you had the original in a bank vault for safety.

Actually Captain that's a complete fake, or a faked fake. I'll explain what I mean. I believe someone put this document forward as a proof of the existence of an organisation called Majestic Twelve.
Which is a favourite bone of conspiracy theorists, I believe they manually inserted the name "Majestic Twelve into a existing document which was genuine.

Now what I did was insert the whole middle paragraph and placed the words onto a scan of an old blank piece of paper, using photoshop.

In writing that paragraph I just stylistically followed what was already written, inserting historical facts and pre-empting things that I knew were going to occur in 1948. Wikipedia is a useful resource for that.

The cleverest part of it was degrading the courier text so that it looked like the ink had spread as if on an old hand typed letter.

Like any forgery the details (imperfections) are important, but if you add enough titbits, most conspiracy nuts will believe it because that's what they want to believe. It only took about half an hour.

Or the document might be genuine and I'm just be a government lackey trying to debunk it. ;)But this actually raises an important point. A tremendous amount of real evidence, were there any, could be 'debunked' with what amounts to a small conspiracy theory. In this case the conspiracy theory is aimed at the evidence of a conspiracy. It is not what it seems to be, it is a fabrication by persons unknown.

One of the common arguments against conspiracies is that there would be evidence, people would talk. But any paper evidence can be dismissed as fabricated, witnesses as loonies or provocateurs, etc.

I think wouldn't take long to be uncovered.
Unless you had access to a document that no-one else had access to.
And you wouldn't have a genuine signature.
You would have to pretend it was a photocopy of an original.

A document, like that below, would be immensely hard for someone to produce an "original" version of.

I suppose you could put it on the internet and claim you had the original in a bank vault for safety.

Forging documents is easy, the hardest part is finding the right type of paper that's also the right vintage.
You can age the paper yellow by taping it to a window for two weeks, ultra violet light does the trick.

Also you need to find the right vintage typewriter and its almost impossible to find the right sort of ribbons for them.

Signatures are easy, all you need to do is practice tracing over them with a printed copy on a light box until you're fluent. And then place the typed letter on the light box and trace the signature on to it trying to be as flowing as possible.

It's much easier to make a digital forgery like the Truman Letter because it can only be scrutinised via a computer monitor.
But all the tricks are in it and the information is contemporary with the letter, as is the writing style of Truman who you could say invented to vernacular used during the cold war and US government departments and military today.

Note, in it are:

Roswell implications, Majestic Twelve, Soviet R1 Missile development (Playing on cold war paranoia), The Rand Corporation as a government stooge organisation.And the White house and the CIA coving up UFO shit!

Which is a bit of a give away that its a fake, because the CIA was only founded in September 1947. Before that it was called Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and came under the Oversight of the War Department and the State Department.

Truman established the Central Intelligence Group (CIG) in January 1946, and it only became known as the CIA in late September.

If its for real, it would have to have had to have been one of the first things The CIA dealt with. But its more probable that Truman in that letter would have used the term CIG rather than CIA.

But who the hell would know what CIG meant unless they were a cold war history nut. The purpose of the letter is entertainment not absolute historical accuracy.

Scarymonster probably started a conspiracy theory without realizing it. Someone will copy that picture from the internet and away we go.

S.
Are you sure that this isn't a real document that you've found and don't know what to do with;)
You've done a very good job of it.
I don't think you appreciate how difficult it would be to make a 3D document that would pass muster with an expert,
but as you say a digital one would do the job.

I think that to do the job properly, you would need to make up a whole new letter.
Just changing some words would make it easy to find the original document and the plot would be laid bare.
The way he gets to the point by going all round the houses would take a bit of craft.
And you would have to check that all the word usages were contemporary. I didn't like the phrase "Alien Technology". Was that around at the time?

I couldn't read a great deal of his writing. I find it annoying. Too much faffing around.

Next step. Make a few websites that feature it as an element.
Include a few quotes from dead academics and military people confirming its authenticity,
and maybe a few from people like Dan Rumsfeld denying it.
Produce a youtube video, and you'd be all set.

We could very well see some UFO believer posting it as a genuine document soon.

A similar thing happened to someone who altered a picture of the Apollo landing.
I forget the details now, but he added something into the reflection on the mirror-like headgear.
He did it to show how easy it was to produce false artefacts.
It was reproduced for years as evidence of the moon landing conspiracy,
and his efforts to tell people he had faked it were branded as more lies for the sheeple.
Possibly still is.

Brick wall found on Mars!!! :eek: NASA try to cover up a brick wall found on Mars...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111207182031.htm


That easy!!! :D

Brick wall found on Mars!!! : NASA try to cover up a brick wall found on Mars...

http://images.sciencedaily.com/2011/12/111207182031-large.jpg
That easy!!! :D

Wow conclusive evidence!


But then!!!

http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=73&pictureid=363

Some more UFO stuff.

http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=73&pictureid=1022