We don't even know how we exist.

We don't know how to move our finger (we just do it, even on a regular basis :) ).

We look out from ourselves, though no one has ever been able to locate from "where" he is looking (even if you close your eyes there's a space behind what should be the surface of the eye) or what's beyond the picture we see.

Even though infinity is incomprehensible to us, what we see should be infinite or it ends in...nothing? Take the visual field as a example, beyond that we see blackness, but the blackness stops too, where? Is it infinite? Would it even be possible for the black to stop in nothing? Where does it fade into nothing? Could there even be a possibility that we could see where it stopped? If it couldn't be a possibility, then obviously the picture that we see does stop, how come we aren't aware of it? What would happen if we were aware of it?

I think I have a clue to this though:
The picture doesn't stop, it goes around you, from where it turns from visual to imagined. In fact, you experiance the room all around you.

That would lead to this:
You exist in the middle of the 3D "picture".

We don't even know how we exist.

U'll have to expand on that a little.

We don't know how to move our finger (we just do it, even on a regular basis :) ).

If we didn't know how to move our finger then we wouldn't be able to move it. What do u mean by "know" here?

We look out from ourselves, though no one has ever been able to locate from "where" he is looking (even if you close your eyes there's a space behind what should be the surface of the eye) or what's beyond the picture we see.

The place where u are looking is at your retina, I guess.

Even though infinity is incomprehensible to us, what we see should be infinite or it ends in...nothing?

True, one of the above.

Take the visual field as a example, beyond that we see blackness, but the blackness stops too, where?

What blackness? I don't see blackness!

Replace the plural personal pronouns with singular personal pronouns (I,me) and you've got a much better opening post.

Either that Cyperium or we simply aren't advanced enough to understand...How long have we've been civilized for? Not even 1/5billionth of the Earth's life? I truly doubt we just popped in the universe or even that there are unanswerable questions.

U'll have to expand on that a little.We don't know how we exist. Why aren't we just bodies? Instead we are a phenomena.

Is there a reason why I exist in my particular body? Why couldn't you have existed in my body? Is there a reason?


If we didn't know how to move our finger then we wouldn't be able to move it. What do u mean by "know" here?We don't know how we do it! We just do it! How is it done by us? I understand the basic physical ways of moving a finger, but how is it done by us?

The place where u are looking is at your retina, I guess.hmmm...this is just incomprehensible for me right now...

What blackness? I don't see blackness!Well, you have to 'look without look'...if you move your eyes, obviously the field will follow...

We don't know how we exist. Why aren't we just bodies? Instead we are a phenomena.

me______you MUST seek out and read 'Death' by Alan Watts--you can read his works online..........we are JUST bodies. tho materialism would have us believe tat. an idea bein consciousness is produced by thew human brain. we ae bodies/matter/energy, and consciousness. and Nature is sentient. so there is interelationship throughout Nature, which of course ioncludes universe

Is there a reason why I exist in my particular body? Why couldn't you have existed in my body? Is there a reason?

me______or a tree, animal. insect.....etc?
some have tried to explain it via a reincarnation dogma, some like Judaic Christianity that we come from nothg. the former idea tends to create division, like with te caste system in India where a lowly status is supposed to be someon'e karma and a high fat cat rich status teir karma. so you see that philosophy in action. the Christian version comminicvates no connection with ature, and treeatens te 'soul' with eithe a positive or negative 'final' outcome. so tat is out!....what i lean towars is the very ancient prepatriarchal idea that lie is like a vital overflowing fountain that is indiscriminate.....people indoctrinated in 'progreessive' bliefs wontlike this, because they feeel they are going to'perfection'...and thus tey usually denigrate the 'poor', animals, Nature


We don't know how we do it! We just do it! How is it done by us? I understand the basic physical ways of moving a finger, but how is it done by us?

me))))))we aren't just the conscious mind---ie., 'you' askin tis question, me tryin to repond to it....rthere is also Unconscious events oing on. as Alan Watts would say 'did YOU grow your body'...no it is growing maintaining itself as we are. if you tried to mainatain it wit conscious mind it would be too complex. a linear ;ogical mode that is not as...vastly swift and all_at__once deeper consciousness. and tis Intelligence is growing tree, cloud, water, all life, and death. for death is an intrinsic dynamic of tis amazing process

hmmm...this is just incomprehensible for me right now...

me_____of COURSE!! Me too!

Well, you have to 'look without look'...if you move your eyes, obviously the field will follow...
(((((((((((((((((((U)))))))))))))))))

hope yu guessed...i meant to say 'we AREN'T just bodies' but aso consciousness as well....butmust explain it better. i dont mean we are a dualism between 'body' and 'consciousness'...i mean body ISItelligende and environment IS Intelligence

Maybe it's all a dream, but if so - who's the dreamer?

Blind about what? :eek:

Maybe it's all a dream, but if so - who's the dreamer?
the dream dreams itself??

Infinite feedback :D

Infinite feedback :D
so progression is through expansion. the dreamed become the dreaming.

Maybe it's all a dream, but if so - who's the dreamer?But if everything is a dream, how come I don't wake up when being scared?

Nooo...it's something more than that! Why make things less, when they are probably more?

Things just fills up, more and more, there is no end to the marvoulosity!

And I think dreams are real too :)

Cyperium
Good questions.

-Sit on the chair and move your leg in the right direction than write a number six on the piece of paper. I did it second time and always could. How about you.

me______you MUST seek out and read 'Death' by Alan Watts--you can read his works online..........we are JUST bodies. tho materialism would have us believe tat. an idea bein consciousness is produced by thew human brain. we ae bodies/matter/energy, and consciousness. and Nature is sentient. so there is interelationship throughout Nature, which of course ioncludes universeHmmm, ok, I see, have to think about that more..you mean that everything is essentially the same? (that the body includes the consciousness as a 'property' not much unlike color? but then why isn't a rock conscious, or is it? Maybe conscious in it's own way, I really do think that it is a possibility)


me______or a tree, animal. insect.....etc?
some have tried to explain it via a reincarnation dogma, some like Judaic Christianity that we come from nothg. the former idea tends to create division, like with te caste system in India where a lowly status is supposed to be someon'e karma and a high fat cat rich status teir karma. so you see that philosophy in action. the Christian version comminicvates no connection with ature, and treeatens te 'soul' with eithe a positive or negative 'final' outcome. so tat is out!....what i lean towars is the very ancient prepatriarchal idea that lie is like a vital overflowing fountain that is indiscriminate.....people indoctrinated in 'progreessive' bliefs wontlike this, because they feeel they are going to'perfection'...and thus tey usually denigrate the 'poor', animals, NatureHmmm...ok.


me))))))we aren't just the conscious mind---ie., 'you' askin tis question, me tryin to repond to it....rthere is also Unconscious events oing on. as Alan Watts would say 'did YOU grow your body'...no it is growing maintaining itself as we are. if you tried to mainatain it wit conscious mind it would be too complex. a linear ;ogical mode that is not as...vastly swift and all_at__once deeper consciousness. and tis Intelligence is growing tree, cloud, water, all life, and death. for death is an intrinsic dynamic of tis amazing processI understand that there are unconscious processess going on enabling us to move a finger, but how do we start those processess? We don't just totally depend on the unconscious but the movements are very much controlled by us! So how do we trigger the action to move our finger? Pure willpower?

Cyperium
Good questions.

-Sit on the chair and move your leg in the right direction than write a number six on the piece of paper. I did it second time and always could. How about you.I can too :)

Can you do this?

Be aware though, it's very hard!

move your finger in a circle in one direction.

Now, if you move your leg also in a circle in that direction then it works just fine, but try changing direction.

Even if you start with the opposing directions then it is very hard, I haven't made it yet, but I'm trying!

It should be done with your right leg and right hand. I don't know if it matters though.

right leg and right hand

Hmm, easy at first, impossible a moment later. Presumably easy with practice. Definitely easier to think of it visually than kinesthetically.

We don't even know how we exist.

We don't know how to move our finger (we just do it, even on a regular basis :) ).

.....
That would lead to this:
You exist in the middle of the 3D "picture".

Just like in a dream: we are the total 3D-picture but the mind "thinks" it is separate/inside the picture, trying to figure the picture out, when it is the picture.