How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Michael, Sep 8, 2012.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis.

    [video=youtube;IBFoC1gkExI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBFoC1gkExI[/video]

    Today, we are constantly being told, the United States faces a health care crisis. Medical costs are too high, and health insurance is out of reach of the poor. The cause of this crisis is never made very clear, but the cure is obvious to nearly everybody: government must step in to solve the problem.

    Eighty years ago, Americans were also told that their nation was facing a health care crisis. Then, however, the complaint was that medical costs were too low, and that health insurance was too accessible. But in that era, too, government stepped forward to solve the problem. And boy, did it solve it!

    As recently as 1920, over one-quarter of all adult Americans were members of fraternal societies. (The figure was still higher in Britain and Australia.) Fraternal societies were particularly popular among blacks and immigrants. Indeed, Teddy Roosevelt's famous attack on "hyphenated Americans" was motivated in part by hostility to the immigrants' fraternal societies; he and other Progressives sought to "Americanize" immigrants by making them dependent for support on the democratic state, rather than on their own independent ethnic communities.





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    If you knew the number of Medical Doctors who cannot find a liver on an X ray you'd be shocked. Or how incompetent many medical doctors' understanding of human physiology is. Not all mind you, but a lot more than you'd care to believe. I once read that approximately 1 in 25 doctors do not function competently in their profession and 1.3 in 100 are considered an immediate danger to their patients.


    Thank you Government!
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    as usual another micheal post without any substance or evidence and that relies on your alleged familiarity with the medical field which quite frankly I haven't really seen and evidence of other than your complete hatred of it.


    oh and also like the plagerizing from the ign boards. exact same title too.

    http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/how-government-solved-the-health-care-crisis.452656888/





    funny enough as it is tracing your plagerisms back to its source the actual death of fraternal societies was themselves. in other words rather it being the evil of the government destroying them. it was your corportist wet dream of them trying to use the government to secure their interests when they could nolonger compete
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly, I didn't create a thread at IGN. But, considering that's the title of the Youtube Video I'm sure you may find many similar threads. AFAIK IGN is a video game website so why anyone would start a thread about medicine is beyond me.

    Secondly, I don't "Hate" the medical field. There are a LOT of things wrong with the way medicine is practiced and so I am extremely critical of the way people's poor health is used as a MASSIVE profit making scheme. There's nothing wrong with being paid for a service. There's IS something wrong when you use the levers of government to ground out the competition, to pass licencing regulations (aka: rent seeking) all to destroy your competition.

    Thirdly, you'd know I'm anit-Corporations if you bothere'd to read my posts and not see a word like "Capitalism" that sets you off and then missing the point. You are correct in understanding you (me an most everyone else) is being screwed over by corporation. But they are not the root of the problem - it's government. It's the fact that government HAS so much control over our lives we can't build a house without paying someone to measure the distances between light-sockets, and million and one other things.



    Think about this: Was it moral to prevent African Americans from learning to read and write? No. Why? Because you can't use force to prevent someone from learning. Yet, here we are, in the year 2012, with caps on Medical School placements. In effect, using the force of government to prevent other humans from learning medicine. That's wrong. And we're paying the price for that evil with astronomical health care costs.


    I'm sure I mentioned the surgeon who turns away patients IF they don't bring in enough profit? How? He simply has no qualms saying "I'm not competent to do the surgery". He drives a convertible Ferrari and owns businesses all across the city. Or the huge numbers of medical doctors trained overseas who can barely speak English and have a poor understanding of human physiology.

    This is all THANKS to Government Regulation. Prior to Government and the Corporatization of Healthcare regulation there was a Free Market and healthcare was dirt cheap. That was the point of the video (which itself was based on a short report written in 1993). What are we doing now? We're passing MORE regulation. This will result in more expensive poorer healthcare. If we want good healthcare we have to get rid of regulations and allow free market competition in healthcare service.
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I know that kinda of why its plagerism
    its not just similiar its a word for word copy of large parts
    gamers talk about things other than games.

    which is why you never say anything positive about it.

    Know I know you claim to be anti corporate power. the fact you are against things that reduce corproate power and support thins that increases belies your claims.
    so even though its the corporations harming us its still the governments fault. classy.
    um when my house was built the building codes were next to nothing. also its because of government regulation that such things as buildings work as easily they do.



    true.
    not really we a paying astronomical costs because everyone wants to squeeze the last dime out of human suffering. increasing docotrs won't change a culture of greed.


    the same unproven alegations that you expect everyone to except.




    also I note you never denied you plagerized anything. shit dude I found the original article you probably stole your fucking post from.



    which by the way is 19 years old.

    following quoted block from an article by Robert T long that was published in forlumlations by the Free Nation Foundation.

    seems alot like what you wrote
     
  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, now I see. Yes, I should have put quotes around that section of text. It was from the Youtube summary itself which is linked in the video on Youtube. If I were going to plagerize - why would I like directly to the text? So, it seems the IGN copied from the Youtube. The Youtube video cites the original work in the beginning.

    Which is why stuff at Walmart is dirt cheap? Which is why an iPhone / pocket sized supercomputer is dirt cheap? And etc...

    Competition increases quality and brings down prices.
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    actually the guy from IGN unlike you cited his source rather than ripping it off wholesale. funny how you don't seem to get your plagerism destroys completely you credibility. I may not always be the greatest debater but at least I always properly cite my sources.

    um because they use dirt cheap labor from south east asia for most products there.
    electronics are different as a newer industry can become cheaper purely off of tech advances.

    not always. sometimes it encourages people to cut corners and my shoddy products and let there lawyers and marketing fixing it. thats the problem your incapable of acknowledging the bad.
     
  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    And why is it their labor is so much cheaper than our labor?
    Also, do you think this is good? Bad? Neither? Should we enjoy cheap products or should we put up tariffs? What role has unionization played in pricing our workers OUT of the global market? What role has the central bank played? What about regulations? Any?

    Isn't it interesting that China's "cheap" labor is becoming a booming middle class? Why? I mean, our labor is expensive and we're getting poorer. Their labor is working for "peanuts" yet they're getting richer. We owe them a TRILLION dollars. Isn't that odd?

    The market punishes shoddy products (see: Zune). There is no need of lawyers unless an agreement has been violated. If you buy a cheap peace of shit and don't like it, well, that's your fault. If you have an agreement that you'll get a product with XY and Z and only get X, then yes, the lawyers have a role at that point. But, as far as products go, the free market (that's us) will punish crap products and reward those that are good value for money.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    And the point IS the role of Government was to INCREASE the price of healthcare... and guess what - it worked. It seems that, this is something the government is capable of doing: writing regulations that create a poorly delivered overpriced service that used to be cheap and of a relatively high quality. Pretty much like ALL socialistic societies.
     

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