During an investigation into the origins of Stonehenge I was given the chemical analysis of the "Blue Stones" in that monument.
I have always wondered how those who built it, and their sucessors the Druids "stored" their knowledge. [The training of the latter, as reported by Caesar was long, and without writing] The analysis, excess silica apart, is about the same as the hard disk on a computer.
Given that the brain is an "electric machine", thought transference by telepathy having been demonstrated, is it possible that our ancestors knew how to "think" at the Blue Stones, and have their thoughts there recorded ? "Ghosts" being "random thoughts" "stuck" on local stone and brickwork, and picked up by those whose brain gets "attuned" to them ?

thought transference by telepathy having been demonstrated

No, it has not. Got any evidence that you alone possess?

During an investigation into the origins of Stonehenge I was given the chemical analysis of the "Blue Stones" in that monument.
I have always wondered how those who built it, and their sucessors the Druids "stored" their knowledge. [The training of the latter, as reported by Caesar was long, and without writing] The analysis, excess silica apart, is about the same as the hard disk on a computer.
Given that the brain is an "electric machine", thought transference by telepathy having been demonstrated, is it possible that our ancestors knew how to "think" at the Blue Stones, and have their thoughts there recorded ? "Ghosts" being "random thoughts" "stuck" on local stone and brickwork, and picked up by those whose brain gets "attuned" to them ?

Well, I've heard a lot of far-out things, but this one really is out there.

The "long training and without writing" is what we today call "memorization."

And please so solid evidence proving that telepathy has been demonstrated to work - reliably and repeatedly. A few hits among many wrong results is hardly proof. And transferring information to a stone mentally? Even if the stone contains ferric oxides, the electric field generated by the human brain is far, far from being strong enough to magnetize anything.

Continue sweet ones continue. I was taught "thought transference" at the age of 5 and my wife and I do it all the time. My [identical] twin grandsons ditto. I can also sit in a meeting, while a colleague is doing a presentation, and "listen" to what it is thinking.
Scientific work has been done at Edinburgh [Scotland} on all this and I will find the references and post them.
Meantime lets have more arguments !!
How else do you explain ghosts for instance ?

How do I explain ghosts? I don't think they are anything more than a misinterpretation of stimuli, and maybe some hallucination element. Why do people need to externalise their experiences all the time? Isn't it far simpler to think that you had a brain fart when you see something odd, than to question the entire framework of causality? Doing the latter is rather egotistical, isn't it?

Welcome to or merry meet ferrand

i am really glad you have brought up tis subject of ghosts. i had been thinkin to d so myself te last few weeks, but you've saved me the bovver

I would also like to hear more about your 'telepathic' experiences, and research that has been carried out regardin it

my views about what you say?......well i am sure our ancestors were more open to te idea of 'ghosts' or 'spirits' before the oppressive effects of Church and ten materialistic science kicked off. as for the Druids and using stones as some sort of storage device....hmmmmmm. i saw this fascinting docu about Stonehenge. it was about the sound effects you can get there standing in certian places...which the researchers calimed may have had someting t do with te rituals they performed there.

i do sense there may be a general connection between some ghost accounts and stone. for example tee are many reports of hauntings going on in very old houses. is tat activity related to past events somhow
'recorded' in the stone/matter/energy......for we have to keep in mind that matter/energy is ALWYS wit consciousness.....the mteralists wont like tis, but it is more and more being implied tat matte/energy is sentient (for example chekout christian de quincey http://www.deepspirit.com
.....so, hat would tat insight mean for te subject of hosts? it'd mean that houses, for intane just may absorb past events and 'replay' tem for people who are susceptable....senstive, or happen to just be open enough to experience such

but does that mean tat ghosts are JUST recorded events? are there different TYPES o ghosts. are tere ones you can communicate with?...our ancestors believed this. tat tere exist other dimensions coinciding wit ours. what do you think?

oh...btw, i am sorry for te escalating typos...it is a combinAtion of a limited system....microsopic keyboard--hich some keys you hammer and still letter dont come out....typin wit passion---gettin cut off from internet after short time. shit typist....you will get used to my Chinese i am sure...heh

in the astral plane the ghosts do exist that is without the physical body. Astral body when an atom is divided atleast 10 million times to maximum of 100 million times that is the size of astral bodies in astral planes. That is the reason why ghosts can travel so fast. It is no fantasy or my imagination but a fact. Any queries?

in the astral plane the ghosts do exist that is without the physical body. Astral body when an atom is divided atleast 10 million times to maximum of 100 million times that is the size of astral bodies in astral planes. That is the reason why ghosts can travel so fast. It is no fantasy or my imagination but a fact. Any queries?
well...surprise surprise, you've been left unmolested by the resident materialists.
my question is: how do you KNOW what you claim?

Most interesting,

Three claims have been asserted in this thread:

1) 'Telepathy' exists
2) 'Ghosts' exist
3) An 'Astral Plane' exists

Does anyone have any evidence to support these claims?

oh...btw, i am sorry for te escalating typos...it is a combinAtion of a limited system....microsopic keyboard--hich some keys you hammer and still letter dont come out....typin wit passion---gettin cut off from internet after short time. shit typist....you will get used to my Chinese i am sure...heh

Do you need a new keyboard and modem? I would be happy to get you those items.

Most interesting,

Three claims have been asserted in this thread:

1) 'Telepathy' exists
2) 'Ghosts' exist
3) An 'Astral Plane' exists

Does anyone have any evidence to support these claims?
OK...for 1,2&3 respectively, what kind of evidence would you require?

Do you need a new keyboard and modem? I would be happy to get you those items.
very kindof you Crunchy Cat, but you see, my system is belonging to a company and its they who have the prticular stuff to go with it. in this case a microscopic keyboard. remember its not a proper computer. but thanks anyhow

OK...for 1,2&3 respectively, what kind of evidence would you require?

A great question. Some forms of evidence that would really work well are:

1) Reproducible demonstration in a controlled environment / testable physics model
2) Demonstration / Media recording / testable physics model
3) Demonstration / Media recording / testable physics model

very kindof you Crunchy Cat, but you see, my system is belonging to a company and its they who have the prticular stuff to go with it. in this case a microscopic keyboard. remember its not a proper computer. but thanks anyhow

I see. Is the company the only place available to access the internet and do they have wireless network capabilities?

I see. Is the company the only place available to access the internet and do they have wireless network capabilities?
it actually is very cutting edge. but there is a limit what you can do wit a digital set top box. however they constantly upgrade, serive is kinda better-ish (long story) than it used to be

A great question. Some forms of evidence that would really work well are:

1) Reproducible demonstration in a controlled environment / testable physics model
2) Demonstration / Media recording / testable physics model
3) Demonstration / Media recording / testable physics model
OK ...lets focus on 'Ghosts' as thats really main subject of this thread

can you elaborate what you mean by 'mediarecording?...what would satisfy you via that medium, and 'testable physics model' pleas try and expand as to what tha would demand as evidence please

it actually is very cutting edge. but there is a limit what you can do wit a digital set top box. however they constantly upgrade, serive is kinda better-ish (long story) than it used to be

I am not sure if that meant their internet is cutting edge, their wireless network, or both. The reason I ask is that if they have wireless, then getting a portable computer in there with a decent keyboard would probably resolve the issue that's being faced.

OK ...lets focus on 'Ghosts' as thats really main subject of this thread

can you elaborate what you mean by 'mediarecording?...what would satisfy you via that medium, and 'testable physics model' pleas try and expand as to what tha would demand as evidence please

Certainly,

A media recording could be a high quality video tape for example. A testable physics model would be an assertion of what a ghost is and would make physical predictions that could be verified by experimentation. The primary assertion would be based on existing theory (science based) and raw empirical information.

I was taught "thought transference" at the age of 5 and my wife and I do it all the time.

Yeah, sure you do.

Scientific work has been done at Edinburgh [Scotland} on all this and I will find the references and post them.

That must be scientific work that no one has heard about except you.

How else do you explain ghosts for instance ?

Complete fantasy.

Certainly,

A media recording could be a high quality video tape for example. A testable physics model would be an assertion of what a ghost is and would make physical predictions that could be verified by experimentation. The primary assertion would be based on existing theory (science based) and raw empirical information.
alright what happens if this happens? a person is in a building and suddenly a person nudges her, and she goes 'oh sorry' then seeing figure pass by is amazed to see same figure walk into a wall and disappear........a report i heard.

now. how could a person who has had suc a spontaneous experience like that, where no time has been set up for all the rigmorole your spcifications demand....to convince you? you will wont you say its 'all in her mind' right?

alright what happens if this happens? a person is in a building and suddenly a person nudges her, and she goes 'oh sorry' then seeing figure pass by is amazed to see same figure walk into a wall and disappear........a report i heard.

now. how could a person who has had suc a spontaneous experience like that, where no time has been set up for all the rigmorole your spcifications demand....to convince you? you will wont you say its 'all in her mind' right?

I couldn't say. A personal testimony at best is a source of evidence for 'something' but what that something is remains utterly inconclusive.

For those wishing to explore the subject in detail enter moebius.psy into Google, or access direct on http://moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk the website of the Koestler Parapsychology unit at Edinburgh University, Scotland

see also www.spr.ac.uk

In 1944, with six others stuck in the school sick bay, I took part in a controlled experiment on thought transfer. Using playing cards, and a mathematician to calculate whether the results were just "chance" or better.
Results, there was definitely an ability to "send" playing card details [number, and/or suit] to others. Some were better senders than others. Poor senders were usually also poor receivers. The ability to "send" tired after 15-20 minutes as results fell back to "chance" levels.
The "transmissions" were "jammable" like Radio, by a second "sender" thinking hard of anything except playing cards.

Did you know there was a massive study conducted on penis size in adult men, but the results were woefully inconclusive despite the large and varied sample. The problem: most men had trouble getting an erection in front of the guys in white coats.

What does this have to do with ghosts?
Guess....

Did you know there was a massive study conducted on penis size in adult men, but the results were woefully inconclusive despite the large and varied sample. The problem: most men had trouble getting an erection in front of the guys in white coats.

What does this have to do with ghosts?
Guess....
is it because the lab and white coats and the studiious overtly left brained scientists puts off ones natrual libido....THUS are you suggesting that the ...em shall we say 'spiritual world' is also somehow intimately connected with EROS, and is .........can be....'shy' if approached in a cold calcuable measuringly oppressive way?

I'm suggesting experimental interference. I think a bunch of stuff that science hasn't proven yet can't be proved the way science usually wants to prove stuff. A good deal of the psychic crap seems to be more emotional than rational.

Hard stuff to quantify, especially in a situation where the subjects (ghosts or whatever) won't feel compelled to, uhhh, perform.

There is a theory I recently read on called the "stone tape theory."
This theory <i>could</i> explain replay type hauntings. I am currently looking into the physics of these types of things and see what is and is not possible for myslef.

And while your at it there, Like fire, could you find out and explain the physics of a Proton Pack?

http://www.gbprops.com/fake.jpg

thought transference by telepathy having been demonstrated

No, it has not. Got any evidence that you alone possess?

Yes it has. check on CIA records...sniffing on russian secret beam lab.

Dear Fellows:

Have you noticed that you never hear of people seeing a ghost of some one more than 3-4 hundred years old.Reason being is,all thoughts and life actions produce energy particles which due to gravity circulate the planet until they fade over time.The stronger the action or thought the longer it may stay.Psychics are people who have an inate ablity to pick up this circulating information, the fresher the easier.Peole who think they are reicarnations from other lives are simply acessing this data while asleep or in a :o :cool: hypnotized state.Some can do it wide awake due to their particular skills.PLease give me your opinion.

Paul ;)

I have had a lot of weird experiences in my life. I don't have any scientific proof. Why would anyone need proof? Science wouldn't recognize them if they went on National television for millions to see. Science will just say it was swamp gas or a mass hallucination. You're fighting a battle that can't be won.

So to all the Science boys and girls out there; Stay ignorant. All of you couldn't handle any form of truth unless it came from a calculator, or a microscope.

Dear Fellows:

Have you noticed that you never hear of people seeing a ghost of some one more than 3-4 hundred years old....

Mmmm, nice thought. Ingenious, even. One tincture of a problem - people do report seeing the spirits of souls departed far farther back in time than merely 300-400 years past. There's quite a famous "haunting" of a stretch of fortified Roman wall somewhere in Kent if memory serves, supposedly consisting of Roman Soldiers. Several dozen alleged cases of Medieval sites haunted by contemporaries of the day the length and breadth of Blighty. Don't even begin to get me started on Southern Ireland...

Fascinating, apocryphal stuff. Not entirely consistent with your initial premise. Nice try though... http://www.sciforums.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Did you know there was a massive study conducted on penis size in adult men, but the results were woefully inconclusive despite the large and varied sample. The problem: most men had trouble getting an erection in front of the guys in white coats.

What does this have to do with ghosts?
Guess....

this is the most intelligent post in this thread.

kudos, mofo.

Mmmm, nice thought. Ingenious, even. One tincture of a problem - people do report seeing the spirits of souls departed far farther back in time than merely 300-400 years past. There's quite a famous "haunting" of a stretch of fortified Roman wall somewhere in Kent if memory serves,


But you never see ghosts of Cave men, no cro-magnon men, no neanderthals, no australopethicus, why is that? I'm sure many died horrible deaths, and thus qualify for a good haunting ground.

I think rather this is a cultural thing, rather than any spirit mechanism however, people just don't identify with Cavemen, so don't see them.

I should imagine there you're entirely right old man, similar syndrome accounting for why, when asked, most people who claim recollection of past lives universally plumb for recognisable, historically well documented periods of human history - rarely the obscure....

"I was a slave girl in the court of Ramses The First....", "I was a Legionnaire in Northern Gaul... ", "I was a little tea-pot in Dickensian London..." etc...

The term "hunter gather" simply doesn't give anyone enough purchase to transpose an adequate cultural understanding from actual experience onto ones suppositions regarding what life may have been actually like on a day-to-day basis for such ancient periods.

That being said, of course, certain tribes people the world over claim communion with the spirits of their hugely distant antecedents simply as a matter of course....

Personally, I've often found it somewhat odd no one ever has claimed to have seen the ghost of say, a T-Rex or a Masterdon or a Neanderthal, for that matter, presuming of course the qualification of Human being provides some form of requisite necessity to either spend eternity rattling around the emptier places of this world or else chucking cutlery about in modern day suburbia.

Indeed. Given that, by any degree of best estimate, there exist today, alive and well and walking around, at least as many people in life as have ever existed during the course of the entire history of our species - you would think the resident spook population would, over the course of the milliennia, actually increase rather than remain spasmodic, irregular and unreliably witnessed.

But, then again, no one ever likes inconvenient details... ;)

Hey:
If this is true I am going to not buy a new hard disc:eek:, instead I am going to the Preselli mountains get some blue stones if ther are any left and burn some Blue Stone-4's .Get ready to buy some BS-4's, cause I want to be rich.

Machiaventa:D:D

This thread started in 2005.

What can be the fate of emitted or reflected spectrum from the body at the time of death?
Can remains of a dead person form basis of genetic material to any species?

Why do people need to externalise their experiences all the time? Isn't it far simpler to think that you had a brain fart when you see something odd, than to question the entire framework of causality?

1) to automatically assume anomalous experiences are brain farts is not a good strategy for learning.
2) there are thousands of examples of 'odd' phenomena being dismissed by many and noticed and taken as real by a few people who later helped us understand reality.
3) the existence of ghosts does not need to upset the framework of causality. This is an assumption on your part.

1) to automatically assume anomalous experiences are brain farts is not a good strategy for learning.
2) there are thousands of examples of 'odd' phenomena being dismissed by many and noticed and taken as real by a few people who later helped us understand reality.
3) the existence of ghosts does not need to upset the framework of causality. This is an assumption on your part.

I hope this doesn't start a flame war over a 9 month old post in a nearly 3 year old thread.

There are some very simple logical points in regards to ghosts, for instance if every human and every animal was to have a ghost after their death then our planet would be over populated by ghost right now with the dead outnumbering the living, however I haven't seen ONE so it pretty much undermines any possibility if you suggest that every dead being is one single possibility.

So total dead = billions, seen ghosts = zero.

Do the math.

bleh..ghosts arent 'dead people' if you really insist on taking this stuff seriously...they are 'caught between life and death'...so that accounts for the suppposed number difference.

A far more logical mystery is how you ever became a mod on this place.:shrug:

Even if they were 'Caught between life and death' (which is technically people in hospital, since the red cross symbol was originally taken from the paganised circle with a cross in it. The Circle meaning 'protection' while the cross being the 'crossroads of life and death' which incidentally is also mirrored in why people use to bury their dead at crossroads so they could find their way home.) their numbers would still be many millions.

However it's not really that the post was in question now Billy was it? I mean you seem to pull Attacks every opportunity you get, do you see me posting everywhere attacking you Billy or stating "you're a Woo-woo believing in Astrology"? The answer to this Rhetorical question is "NO" Billy, that's because it's not the right way to act on the forum , even though you might not be a Professional, at least have some Professional courtesy.