Homosexuals and Pedophilia

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why do so many people confuse the two?

    Since when is homosexuality = pedophilia?

    Don't straight men have sex with underage girls?

    Don't straight women have sex with underage boys?

    So why are homosexuals considered to be pedophiles?
     
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  3. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    who said they were?
     
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Political ajender.

    The majority of prebubesant rape is comited by hedrosexual men against prepubesant boys.

    The religious conservatives use this fact and link it to there anti-gay crusades and to make it easier for people to swollow that gays=bad

    the truth is that it has nothing to do with gender its all about AGE being prepubesant.

    Now stat rape on the other hand (ie underage post pubesants) is generally man, girl or woman, boy because that IS about gender and they are the same as the persons true sexual prefference, Pedifilia is not
     
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  7. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

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    Like shichimenshyo I haven't heard anyone equate homosexuality and pedophilia before. It's obviously absurd. There might be a higher frequency of homosexual pedophiles. I don't have numbers, but it seems that way from what I hear randomly on the news or internet.

    I think you're wrong here. It might be true the majority of the time - I have no idea, except that there seems to be ample heterosexual only pedophiles.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    From here:

     
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I will try to find something from one of the collages of phyciatry but in the mean time i will just say that. What is it that actracts a man to a woman? what is it that atracts a woman to a man?

    woman
    brests
    voice
    neck (in my case anyway

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    legs ect

    Man
    Mussles
    voice
    ass (well thats what my partner says anyway)

    None of this exists prebubesant, at least not in the same form and DEFINITLY not in babies. These are all the changes people go through to BECOME sexual mature. So if it was a straight NORMAL sexual atraction why prebubesant children rather than 16 year olds ect? because its NOT its about alot more than that
     
  10. Kadark Banned Banned

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    Study Shows Link Between Homosexuality and Pedophilia

    A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia.

    The report entitled Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, shows that while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations. Dailey's report is being sent to parents, youth groups, school administrators, Catholic bishops, and religious organizations.

    Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse presents a number of controversial findings. The first is that a significant percentage of child sexual abuse victims are boys. The second finding of Dailey's report contradicts the "inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey" that homosexuals comprise at least 10 per cent of the population. Based upon a study of three large data sets, the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. Census, "a recent study in demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 per cent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 per cent," writes Dailey.

    The FRC study also demonstrates, with a wealth of anecdotal evidence, that pedophile themes can be found throughout "mainstream" gay literature, including fiction anthologies such as: The Penguin Book on International Gay Writing, The Gay Canon: What Every Gay Man Should Read, and A History of Gay Literature:The Male Tradition. Interestingly, the late gay Beat poet Allen Ginsberg was a pedophile, and wrote articles for publications associated with the North American Man-Boy Love Association. "I reread Collected Poems and Ginsberg's two subsequent collections, surprised by the pattern of reference to anal intercourse and to pederasty that emerged," writes Dailey.

    According to Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, pedophiles have long existed as a subculture within the gay rights movement. Dailey quotes David Thorstad, a homosexual activist and founding member of NAMBLA, to demonstrate that by 1985, pedophilia had gained acceptance within the homosexual movement, as it was in that year that NAMBLA was admitted as a member in New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations and the International Gay Association. In the words of Jim Kepner, at one time the curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles: "A point I've been trying to make is that if we reject the boylovers in our midst today, we'd better stop waving the banner of the ancient Greeks, of Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Horatio Alger, and Shakespeare. We'd better stop claiming them as part of our history unless we are broadening our concept of what it means to be gay."

    The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms. The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman.

    "None of this is news in the sense that this information (the link between pedophilia and homosexuality) was fundamentally proven a long time ago," Canada Family Action head Brian Rushfeldt told The Interim, "but I'm glad to see the FRC reiterating it, especially at a time when the Catholic church is struggling with the pedophile priest issue."

    Rushfeldt stresses that pedophiles come in both homosexual and heterosexual forms, but there are differences between the two that need to be understood. "Do you treat the cocaine addict the same way you treat the alcoholic? If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him."

    Asked why the link exists in the first place, Rushfeldt, a former addiction counsellor, says part of the answer lies in the availability of sex. "Sex addicts generally need instant gratification. They have a very low threshold for delaying gratification, and it's much easier to manipulate a young boy into having sex than it is to manipulate another man." He adds that homosexual pedophilia is influenced by other factors as well.

    "There's a distinct quality about male homosexuality that gay men tend to be attracted to young, good-looking guys. Another part of pedophilia's appeal is the power the pedophile feels in manipulating the boy. It's a combination of things."


    http://www.theinterim.com/2002/sept/02study.html
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    who is the Family Research Council?
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What is it with Turks and right wing Christianity?

     
  13. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    and here's a one or two other things to put it in context

    NAMBLA

     
  14. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    Thats a huge suprise!
     
  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    As i said political propergander from EXACTLY where i said it was coming from. There is your answer SAM

    cheers
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So its a subculture in Catholic priests?

    I would assume the conditions were favorable to pedophiles anyway, how would they know that the pedophiles were also homosexual?

    IOW, were any of these pedophile priests having sexual relations with adult men?

    Or were they using homosexuality as a cover to access young boys?
     
  17. Kadark Banned Banned

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    So, you have no response, I take it? Funny, you simply just love attacking the person instead of the argument.

    Oh, and keep my nationality out of it. Can't see how it's relevant.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah from my friendships with gay men I would say that they are not likely to be attracted to male children, though as Genji liked to say, he did like the hot young males as much as any red blooded straight men liked hot young females.

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  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I was wondering out loud why Turkish ideologies overlap right wing Christianity so much, thats all.

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  20. Kadark Banned Banned

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    I don't represent the Turkish ideology. If Turks are so right-wing Christian, then why is Turkey the most secular country in the Middle East?
     
  21. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    the article(s) points more how the culture of homosexuality within the church became institutionalized and how it bore a remarkable opportunity for pedophilic abuse.

    IOW if you talking about pedophilia and homosexuality as general terms they can both exist independently.

    But if you are talking about homosexuality in the catholic church, there are cultural/institutional issues that can inextricably connect it to pedophilia.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not convinced; how could you tell that those people were "homosexual pedophiles" and not "pedophiles"

    ie. did they have relationships with adult men?
    did they have or try to have relationships with female children?

    (I'm not aware of the fine points of pedophilia, do they have a preference as to male or female child? )
     
  23. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    thats what i mean SAM, 16 year old girls may be hot but 12 year olds are DEFINITLY not

    They just dont have the right bits to be atractive
     

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