Do you think that gay's are born gay or choose to be gay?

Shouldn't there be some sort of in between choice? ie. Not being born gay but becoming gay (or straight) due to personal experience? I wouldn't call that a choice. I think the term for it is innate bisexuality.

I don't know, and it don't matter. They choose to act on their feelings and urges ....and that's what's wrong.

Kleptomaniacs feel an intense urge to steal things. The urge to steal is not what's wrong, it's giving in to those urges where the wrong is.

Baron Max

I don't know, and it don't matter. They choose to act on their feelings and urges ....and that's what's wrong.

Kleptomaniacs feel an intense urge to steal things. The urge to steal is not what's wrong, it's giving in to those urges where the wrong is.

Baron Max

Your response is irrelevant since you cannot answer the question. This is not a question of whats right or wrong. You can take that to the other thread.

Oh yes....

Homosexuality is NOT A choice.

I know this. So should anyone who are homosexual.

The only times i can think it is a choice, is when it has something do to with psychological power over individuals, such as found in prisons. However, even a lot of them are simply gay.

To think its a choice for the majority, would be to profess some kind of happiness out of it. Do people here think people (well certain individuals) woud chose the constant bullying, harmful words and even dogmatic attitudes that are invariant with coming out?

Do you think that gay's are born gay or choose to be gay?


It's a toughie.

Lots of variables.

I will go with 'born gay' because it fits my belief that on a deeper level homosexuality represents the death of nature.

Life and death are not things we have any control over.

It's a toughie.

Lots of variables.

I will go with 'born gay' because it fits my belief that on a deeper level homosexuality represents the death of nature.

Life and death are not things we have any control over.

Death of nature? Thats a relatively negative way to look at it lol.

Careful deepthought. Louis the other day tried to discredit my intelligence with the same postulate i made two month ago... :)

Besides... it was only a passing thought. I don'y exactly believe this. But it begs the thought.

Besides... it was only a passing thought. I don'y exactly believe this. But it begs the thought.

True.

Since I am not gay, I really have no idea. So I can't answer the question lol

Then shorty, here is a question: Did you choose to be straight?

hmmmmmmm I think I was born with the same attraction as you, to muscles and pecs and dick.

:roflmao:

I think a person is born gay, yet I also think a person can choose to be gay. I think sexuality is a very fluid thing. If I don't think sex with a woman is immoral, why wouldn't I choose to haev sexwith a beautiful woman??
I also know a woman who was sexually abused by her father and brother. She has no sexual relationships with men. I think its what she chooses due to experience.

It is no more a choice that choosing your parents or your skin color.

I think a person is born gay, yet I also think a person can choose to be gay. I think sexuality is a very fluid thing. If I don't think sex with a woman is immoral, why wouldn't I choose to haev sexwith a beautiful woman??
I also know a woman who was sexually abused by her father and brother. She has no sexual relationships with men. I think its what she chooses due to experience.

Hmmm. Interesting perspective. I have to say I agree with you. I think though a person is not 'technically gay' they can be, as they say 'bi curious'.

Hmmm. Interesting perspective. I have to say I agree with you. I think though a person is not 'technically gay' they can be, as they say 'bi curious'.


and how long can a person be 'bi-curious' before they are officially gay?

and how long can a person be 'bi-curious' before they are officially gay?

Oooo theres a rule about that, 18 months lol just kididng

My best friend is a lesbian. She likes having sex with men, but she has never been in love with a guy. Men can have her body but only women can have her heart. I never understand that. The women she loves might as well be men, they are so masculine.

You are all very wise then.

My best friend is a lesbian. She likes having sex with men, but she has never been in love with a guy. Men can have her body but only women can have her heart. I never understand that. The women she loves might as well be men, they are so masculine.

So she's a whore??? Im just being mean. Sorry. But I don't understand that either. :p

and how long can a person be 'bi-curious' before they are officially gay?

LOL! I think they are the ones who don't want to jeopardize their marriages. so they just mmm experiment.:D

So she's a whore??? Im just being mean. Sorry. But I don't understand that either. :p

LOL, no sorry. It did read that way didn't it. When she breaks up with a girlfriend, she dates men. Then its back to women. She just ended a 10 yr relationship with a woman, dated men for about 8 mths, and is now with another woman.

So she's a whore???

That is my take on it.

LOL, no sorry. It did read that way didn't it. When she breaks up with a girlfriend, she dates men. Then its back to women. She just ended a 10 yr relationship with a woman, dated men for about 8 mths, and is now with another woman.

Thats crazy. Interesting, but nevertheless, crazy.

LOL, no sorry. It did read that way didn't it. When she breaks up with a girlfriend, she dates men. Then its back to women. She just ended a 10 yr relationship with a woman, dated men for about 8 mths, and is now with another woman.

Heh, in the closet bisexual?

She admits she likes sex with men and women, but its only with women that its more than physical.

As much as I find women attractive, I would puke if I ever did something sexual with one... (I know this from experience, I puked on my last girlfriend when I was 16, we were about to have sex. It made me nauscious and I puked on her. Then I knew I was gay. Broke it off the next day) Sorry ladies, but the coochee makes me sick lol. I can handle boobs, but nothing else.

Death of nature? Thats a relatively negative way to look at it lol.


It's always the same in the West - the inevitable is perceived as a negative.

This is why we waste so much time and resources on creating cheap, plastic, ephemera. Why we have huge landfills of our garbage and a polluted environment.

It's why positive people with their vacant smiles and inanities make me puke.

Nature will eventually die and that is a good thing. Balance is restored, symmetry regained. The dead have no choice but to follow God's will. It's the law which governs physics and ultimately the cosmos.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9701/15/end.universe/

... Sorry ladies, but the coochee makes me sick lol. I can handle boobs, but nothing else.

what about oral sex from a woman?

what about oral sex from a woman?

Never recieved it. But I don't think it would bother me.

Maybe homosexuality is an evolved trait. I mean---maybe since humans have become ``domesticated'', we have enough time for non-reproductive sex. In this sense it must be inherint.

Any biologists who can confirm this?

I have never had it with a woman either. I wouldn;t plan to either.

Ben

I have made this proposal before.

Man I just can't even comprehend that.

I'd take a blow job from a guy as long as I didn't have to look at him.

...I'd take a blow job from a guy as long as I didn't have to look at him.

you were made for prison! :D

Man I just can't even comprehend that.

I'd take a blow job from a guy as long as I didn't have to look at him.

So if you knew it was a guy it wouldn't bother you. As long as you had your eyes closed? :bugeye:

So if you knew it was a guy it wouldn't bother you. As long as you had your eyes closed? :bugeye:

as long as the other guy is clean shaven I'm sure it feels the same. Guys fantasize during sex anyways, so...its not a guy, its Jenna Jameson.

I have no doubt it would feel the same, maybe even better lol
But knowing it was a guy wouldn't make him a bit squimish?

So if you knew it was a guy it wouldn't bother you. As long as you had your eyes closed? :bugeye:

Well, that and it would be harder if I knew the dude.

But beggars can't be choosers, or so I've heard...

its not a guy, its Jenna Jameson.

Sandra Bullock baby...

Or Margret Thatcher

I hate that woman. Too formal for a femanist.

I don't know, and it don't matter. They choose to act on their feelings and urges ....and that's what's wrong.

What's wrong with it?

LOL, no sorry. It did read that way didn't it. When she breaks up with a girlfriend, she dates men. Then its back to women. She just ended a 10 yr relationship with a woman, dated men for about 8 mths, and is now with another woman.
Yeah bisexuals are pretty weird, there's a definite link between bisexuality and narcissism/hedonism i think, its all about attention with them and not much else.

Anyone else noticed all the google ads popping up for gay-dating sites in the left hand column btw? :bravo::roflmao:

Yeah bisexuals are pretty weird, there's a definite link between bisexuality and narcissism/hedonism i think, its all about attention with them and not much else....

I think she gets so hurt that she swears she will never date a woman again, and then goes to men. As if guys are better. :rolleyes:

Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?


Seems like a no brainer to me.

Scenerio 1. A young man is attracted to other young men but tries his best to hide the fact because he knows it is not accepted by the majority of his peers. He doesn't want to be ostracized, sneered at or beaten up.

Scenerio 2. A young man has the same sexual orientation as most other young men but makes a conscious decision to be gay instead. He knows he will not be accepted by the majority of his peers and he risks being ostracized, sneed at or beaten up. He makes the choice anyway.

Which of the two above scenerios do you think is more likely what happens?

LOL, no sorry. It did read that way didn't it. When she breaks up with a girlfriend, she dates men. Then its back to women. She just ended a 10 yr relationship with a woman, dated men for about 8 mths, and is now with another woman.

I find this bi curious :D because I know several bisexual women who are exact opposite. They prefer to have a man, but only a man they are truly in love with. For casual sex, they'd rather have women than some random schmuck.

it imbalance of hormones that causes homosexuality

it imbalance of hormones that causes homosexuality

show some proof to that

show some proof to that

love is a complex neurochemical system

I really wish there was a We Don't Know/Neither choice in the poll. I don't think anyone can conclusively prove that anyone is born gay, nor do I think that someone can actively choose what their sexual orientation is.

i think it can depend on a couple of factors factors,

1. hormomal
2. and upbringing, if a child is raised by homosexual perants they are more likely to follow the lifestyle

then all the gay people today had gay parents?:bugeye:
Seriously, I don't know of a single gay kid who had gay parents.

then all the gay people today had gay parents?:bugeye:
Seriously, I don't know of a single gay kid who had gay parents.

did i not say it depends on "2" factors?

did i not say it depends on "2" factors?

But if its hormones, that means its curable.

But if its hormones, that means its curable.

not nessecarily (sp) they cant cure the female hormone change they can just try and control it

Like menopause?
OK, I don't know of any gay people who are having their 'condition' controlled with hormone therapy either.
Are there reports on that??

Like menopause?
OK, I don't know of any gay people who are having their 'condition' controlled with hormone therapy either.
Are there reports on that??

yes like menopause, i am NOT saying that homosexuality is caused by the menopause before people shout at me.

Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?


Seems like a no brainer to me.

Scenerio 1. A young man is attracted to other young men but tries his best to hide the fact because he knows it is not accepted by the majority of his peers. He doesn't want to be ostracized, sneered at or beaten up.

Scenerio 2. A young man has the same sexual orientation as most other young men but makes a conscious decision to be gay instead. He knows he will not be accepted by the majority of his peers and he risks being ostracized, sneed at or beaten up. He makes the choice anyway.

Which of the two above scenerios do you think is more likely what happens?

You've got two young men who are gay and made different choices about what to do about that?

I don't see overly shy heterosexual teenage boys as choosing not to be heterosexual.

It is definitely not a choice.

Why would anyone choose to be gay, they get so much flak for it.

It is definitely not a choice.

Why would anyone choose to be gay, they get so much flak for it.

Do you agree with the opposite? That gays are born gay? Or are you into the option not offered in the poll which is that homosexuality is something that develops post birth and not something imprinted into our genes?

I think that they are born gay, just as the rest of us are born hetero. People who 'become gay' are most likely inherently bisexual, but curious.

If they're born gay, and the rest are born hetero, where do the odd bisexuals fit in?

I think of it as a scale from one to 10. Straights are 1s, Gays are 10's and Bis are 5's. We are all born somewhere along that scale. I think I'm a 2 or 3.

That's an interesting way to put it Orleander, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it were true.

That's an interesting way to put it Orleander, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it were true.

occams razor is in effect

how so?

I do not know how Occam's Razor apply here, but I always thought same as Orleander. I also am about 2.

Shouldn't there be some sort of in between choice? ie. Not being born gay but becoming gay (or straight) due to personal experience? I wouldn't call that a choice. I think the term for it is innate bisexuality.
Agreed. Kinda.

I think, as a base template, humans are innately bisexual, biologically. However, things influence us to gravitate towards one end of the spectrum or the other. Primarily, hormones and other chemicals, particularly sex hormones like oestrogen and testosterone, the volume of which are determined more or less before birth; so, in that sense, people are born with a predisposition towards a certain sexual orientation, while still being biologically bisexual.

I became predominantly attracted to my own gender a year before high school. My attraction to the opposite sex diminished to almost nothing in a very short period of time while my attraction to other guys greatly increased. In my childhood, I had lots of crushes on various girls, as well as immature sexual fantasies. After I started going through puberty, I developed some sexual attraction to guys, but in mostly a non-emotional sense. During that time, as with most guys at that stage of development, erections happen frequently, and I found it incredibly easy to get aroused by lots of different things.
About half-way through high school, I started having crushes or romantic feelings towards guys that I liked, whereas before that my attractions were mainly just physical or sexual in nature.

How and why I lost nearly all of my interest in the opposite sex, I have no definite answers. All I know is that it happened and the process went very quickly. I would say that it happened in less than half a year.

So in all honesty, in my case, I cannot say I was born that way. For me, it was something that just happened rather suddenly.

I know other people have said they felt those attractions in early childhood too, and I believe them, so I am not able to judge the situation for them. I only know what I experienced, and I am forced to conclude that it is a combination of factors, and that for some, different factors are more prominent.

I can't see how anyone could pick one simple reason for sexual preferences.

However flawed this ideal may be, Its what i think is right.
"everyone is bi for the right price" and i'm not talking only about monetary value.

It is a choice, You can repress the "gayer" aspects of yourself, or you can embrace it entirely. As for being born that way, I don't think anyone ever found a homo gene, not yet anyways. So until that turns up, its a choice.