What are your thoughts on the proposed laws of the homosexual community? I have given mine so what are yours?


Landlords will be required to accept homosexuals as tenants (already the law in some places).


** Q- Should an African American in his right mind? Force himself upon the KKK's property? Will he be one dead nigger? Do not be offended by the language but this law lacks common sense?



State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned.


** Q- So homosexuality got out the closet why open the dungeon? Please name every pro that can come from this?


Private organizations such as the Boy Scouts will be required to accept a gay scoutmaster.

** Q- Beyond the fact that this is imposing upon people's rights look at the laws proposed. Why would any sane parent want homosexuals around their children?


Employers will not be allowed to reject applicants because they are gay.1


**Q- Please tell, how can you spot a homosexual?


Public media will be either prevented or pressured not to broadcast or to print even Bible declarations against sexual perversions--no freedom of speech on this issue.


** Well said, No Freedom of Speech.


Companies will be required to extend marital benefits to employees who live in a same-sex relationship.2

** Q-So if I get 20 live in lovers can I get paid for each one?


States might be required to legitimize same sex marriages.

**Q- Just for money? And when should man and giraffe marriage's be legitimiate?


One who openly upholds biblical truth on these issues will be subject to discrimination.3


** If I get discriminated against for not accepting imposive twisted law's. That's fine, I still have my sanity


Schools will be required to encourage acceptance of sexual diversity and parental guidance in these matters will be ignored.

** Q- And where are the pro's in encouraging kids to accept unnatural sex as norm? And should science be removed from the schools as well?

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Churches will lose their tax-free status and become subject to lawsuits when they reject or discipline practicing homosexuals.

** Science has found no promiscious perverse unnatural genes, therefore, quit blamming God for personal decisions.


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well i'm all for treating gays like, what's the word, people.

laws against people doing things like marrying. are in my opinion silly.

now the whole issue about private clubs. I though the current law on private clubs is that they could do things that would be considered discrimination(a la Augusta National Country Club).

alot dpends on the whole private vs public. if a private group wants to put "homosexuality is a sin" up in big red letters in their place, then what's to stop them. if a public, and government sponsored group does that, well that's another issue.

YAY to all except the last one

why should i be discriminated against because im bi\gay?

and just for the record i actully USED to be a scout leader for the lowest section in scouting, joays which are up to 7 1/2 years old

2 of those kids i babysat privatly for a friend of mums as well

why shouldnt i have a job because im bi?

do you like whips and chains?
head?

its none of my business is it?
its none of yours what i do either

by the same token why should i hide it?

why CANT i kiss my BF in public? (i almost did that but he waited till the lights came back on and i hate having people watching me kiss ANYONE:p)


Public media will be either prevented or pressured not to broadcast or to print even Bible declarations against sexual perversions--no freedom of speech on this issue.

not sure on this one, freedom of speach doesnt exist here but we can say what we like unless its untrue, i personally think thats going to far

* Companies will be required to extend marital benefits to employees who live in a same-sex relationship.2
* States might be required to legitimize same sex marriages.


why not?
who are you to tell me cause im bi i cant marry and DEFINITLY why shouldnt women have meternity leave and EVERYONE family leave because they like the same sex?
again should it be stoped cause you like whips and chains?

* One who openly upholds biblical truth on these issues will be subject to discrimination.3

can you explaine what you mean on this on?
ie do you mean personal opinions or the state goverments making laws using those opinions?

if its personal opinions that goes WAY to far


* Schools will be required to encourage acceptance of sexual diversity and parental guidance in these matters will be ignored.

edit to finish post cause hit button to quick

schools SHOULD teach tolerance of EVERYONE no matter WHAT there race, skin color, eye color, sex, sexual preferance or religion

if you want to change an atitude dont look to parents and family, it has to come from schools because parents are going to just pass on there OWN prejiduses. Its the same reason you get a driving instructor to teach you to drive, so you dont pick up your familys bad habits

* Churches will lose their tax-free status and become subject to lawsuits when they reject or discipline practicing homosexuals.

this is wrong
a religion is a personal belif
i know im going against the rainbow whatever its called in this cause every year they rock up to the catheadral to get comunion and every year they are refused but thats not the way to bring change, not by forcing it on private people, its only through education

* Private organizations such as the Boy Scouts will be required to accept a gay scoutmaster.
* Employers will not be allowed to reject applicants because they are gay.
* Companies will be required to extend marital benefits to employees who live in a same-sex relationship.
* States might be required to legitimize same sex marriages.

Replace gay or homosexual with the terms black or women, where applicable, and see how much sense it makes.

* Public media will be either prevented or pressured not to broadcast or to print even Bible declarations against sexual perversions--no freedom of speech on this issue.
* One who openly upholds biblical truth on these issues will be subject to discrimination.

Only if such demonstration interferes with someone else rights, ie the 1st amendment holds.

* State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned.

Simple privacy invasion. And who defines "unnatural" anyway? What qualifications and experience should they have? :) If it's two consenting adults, stop peeking!

* Schools will be required to encourage acceptance of sexual diversity and parental guidance in these matters will be ignored.

I'd agree with this...education of the real world is important. To deny that it exists or to teach that those who feel this way are somehow "evil" is wrong. This doesn't mean that homosexuality should be promoted, no more than heterosexual behavior should be promoted.

* Churches will lose their tax-free status and become subject to lawsuits when they reject or discipline practicing homosexuals.

Hmmm....I assume currently a church is treated as a private club, so the person doesn't necessarily have a "right" to be a part of it. It's not the same as job discrimination. Why would you want a part of that church if they're going to be like that, anyway?

lady whats YOUR opinion?

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i have been persweaded to reopen this thread, (xev i cleared away our discussion simply cause its in the way) but if this thread remaines a "gays are evil because god said so" it will be deleted

i would also like to remind you that this is ETHICS and NOT religion so posting "gays are evil cause god said so" actully is a reason to close this thread so please dont do it

The "proposed laws of the homosexual community"?

At any rate:

- State laws against sodomy: These are secure according to the Supreme Court. Bowers v. Hardwick maintains the right of the states to make antisodomy laws. Of course, the sick part of that decision, above all else, is that the majority had to reach back to 16th century English common law in order to build their precedent. The dissent, of course, called this aspect repugnant.

- Boy Scouts: The courts are, so far, on the Boy Scouts' side, so they won't be crushed that way. If their funding dries up because people have had enough of their hatred, so be it. I hated Boy Scouts. While skills training is a good thing, my experience in Boy Scouts was thick with God & country indoctrination to be accepted without question.

- Employers: Under what conditions should homosexuality be a criterion for refusing someone employment? Should I be allowed to ban other choices from my workplace, such as heterosexuality and religion?

- Public media: Pressured? How so? It's a ratings and money game. "No freedom of speech" implies government intervention. Please do enlighten us.

- Employee benefits: Easy answer--legalize gay marriage.

- Legitimize same-sex marriages: What, aside from religious assertion, should prevent this? Marriage has certain benefits in American law, and preventing homosexuals from access to these benefits is discriminatory. Reservation of marriage to heterosexuality on the grounds of religion therefore violates the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

- Discrimination against religious folk: Happens every day, whether homosexuality is involved or not. To the other, I've heard a person of Biblical faith assert to a school board that their refusal to remove Robert McCammon's Demon Walk from a school library constituted discrimination. I've heard gay-bashers claim that the hiring of gay persons as teachers in public schools violates their First Amendment rights. The first issue is what constitutes discrimination to that person, and the second is why single out gays?

- Schools: Imagine a medical school where they teach doctors to withhold vital, possibly lifesaving information from patients. It almost happened in Oregon. As to high schools and down, why is "parental guidance" a school issue? Isn't "parental guidance" a family issue? Or should "parental guidance" be part of the official curriculum? And then, whose parents, for you cannot subject students to such varying curricula.

- Churches: They shouldn't be tax-free in the first place. Please provide some information suggesting that this assertion is anything more than a paranoid fantasy by a sexually-obsessed individual.

What's on your mind, Lady, that you spend so much time worrying about what people do in their bedrooms? (Or their showers, or hanging from the basement ceiling ....)

I tend to think that the folks who worry about the "gay takeover" are merely people with some form of sexual-identity issue. After all, they put so much consideration toward sexuality--and the sexuality of other people, I might add.

Think about it. If I want gay sex I can go to a local bar and ask a guy if he wants a throw. Lon Mabon, however, spent millions of donated dollars so he could talk about sex while asking Oregonians to ostracize and disenfranchise homosexuals. That one started over a freaking library book, of all things.

Take homosexuality out of it for a moment and look at the concept.

All Bill Clinton did was get a hummer and masturbate a woman. Ken Starr, however, spent $40 million, and a majority of Congress committed felonies just so they could talk about blowjobs.

Forty-million taxpayer dollars on a blowjob? And people were outraged at Hugh Grant for spending $60 of his own money ...! :bugeye:

Or to put it another way:

- One of the things I've promised myself to not do is obsess on my daughter's sexuality. It's 13 or 14 years away, you know (well, we would hope). But one of the most striking reinforcements I have of that concept came when the Congressional blowjob committee finally hit home. A couple years ago, a friend of mine had a daughter. Before that child was even out of the womb, he could be found on cigarette breaks raving about what he would do to her boyfriends. Day after day, until I asked him, "Why the hell are you spending so much time thinking about your daughter having sex?"

I actually suggest to people, every now and again, to undertake some perversion of their own, just to see if they like it. I'm not going to say everyone needs to have gay sex before they talk about it, but I do wonder if all of the focus and discussion is a surrogate for a lack of satisfaction in the critics' psyches. So my advice to anyone is to get down and get dirty. It doesn't have to hurt. There are plenty of quiet, painless perversions. Heck, if you need a list, I'll dig up the OCA's 1992 Voter's Guide entry, which went to the point of listing and describing some thirty perverse practices including coprophilia and watersports while pretending that heterosexuals never did any of these things. It had to be the hottest, sweatiest night of Phillip Ramsdell's life when he typed up that list.

thanx, or, perhaps, enjoy,
Tiassa :cool:

What's on your mind, Lady, that you spend so much time worrying about what people do in their bedrooms? (Or their showers, or hanging from the basement ceiling ....)




** So your a little girl trap in a boy's body? Is this correct? I don't care what you do in the jungle but the laws impose upon others.Can you not see that? And what's on your mind, where are the pro's in legalizing unnatural sex? Aids not enough for you

"I don't care what you do in the jungle but the laws impose upon others"

And that's why we're discussing the possibility of changing laws. You say that we should just do whatever the law states and leave it that way? Fine, by that logic you should not be allowed to vote. Being a woman and all.


"And what's on your mind, where are the pro's in legalizing unnatural sex?"

Some people believe in freedom. Others do not.
Secondly; what do you mean by unnatural? Gay sex is natural. It occurs in the animal world with some frequency.


"Aids not enough for you"

For one, I don't know if you actually believe this but AIDS is not a "gay" disease.
Two, no, AIDS is not enough for me to think homosexuality should be outlawed. Personally I'm all for letting people choose what risks they take. I'm not big on making it illegal for people to choose how to live their life.



Lady, allow me to make it clear that if you are against homosexuality being legal for religious reasons you are clearly one of the lowest forms of human being. You seem to (and I may be wrong on this) believe that you have the right to enforce your religious beliefs on everyone else. How dispicable.

So your a little girl trap in a boy's body? Is this correct? I don't care what you do in the jungle but the laws impose upon others.Can you not see that? And what's on your mind, where are the pro's in legalizing unnatural sex? Aids not enough for youYou and your identity issues. You should try addressing an issue honestly. It's slayer irony that you complain about homosexuality in light of the Bible but can't manage to be honest for a second. Try answering the question: What's on your mind, Lady, that you spend so much time worrying about what people do in their bedrooms?

In the meantime, please tell me how the laws impose on others. How is it that allowing people liberty is a violation of your liberty or rights?

Despite the fact that people have established (in your prior topics, to boot) that homosexual contact does occur elsewhere in nature, you seem to insist that something that occurs in nature is unnatural. Reconcile that, please. It would lend great weight to your argument.

How is AIDS not enough for me? To ban homosexuality? Perhaps a "good Christian" shouldn't have let his prejudices against gays get in the way; Reagan stood by and did nothing of substance about AIDS, and considered the disease a "gay measles". Sure, the Reagan White House managed the largest executive-branch mass-mailing in history, but only to prescribe the religious solution (e.g. abstinence) and not give any real consideration to the actual medical issues at hand.

Of course AIDS isn't enough. To be fair, I would have to ban blood transfusions--technically a most unnatural act that can transmit AIDS and other diseases despite the best precautions.

Please do give some consideration to these issues, for a change. Address them honestly, and perhaps my opinion of you will raise to something qualifying as decent.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Despite the fact that people have established (in your prior topics, to boot) that homosexual contact does occur elsewhere in nature, you seem to insist that something that occurs in nature is unnatural. Reconcile that, please. It would lend great weight to your argument.



** Find the perverse gene and give weight to your arguement? It's spiritual degradation by choice- just for the sake of time. Nevertheless I'm still waiting on a list of the PRO'S it will bring to the World. [/QUOTE]


In the meantime, please tell me how the laws impose on others. How is it that allowing people liberty is a violation of your liberty or rights?

** These liberties discriminate against and run all over those who don't agree with them.

What's on your mind, Lady, that you spend so much time worrying about what people do in their

** Not yours be assurd.:cool:


Please do give some consideration to these issues, for a change. Address them honestly, and perhaps my opinion of you will raise to something qualifying as decent.

** Listen princess, decent doesn't live in you so your opinion of me is nought. ;)

Q- Should an African American in his right mind? Force himself upon the KKK's property? Will he be one dead nigger? Do not be offended by the language but this law lacks common sense? I'm more offended by the punctuation, which makes the questions a little hard to figure out.

Thank you, though, for equating homosexual and race issues. Until homosexuality can be shown to be universally and definitively a conscious choice to deviate from heterosexuality, this is, truly, a fair comparison. And just like you can't discriminate against race, you can't discriminate against sexuality.

In the meantime, force himself how? By applying to rent an apartment, ignorant of the landlord's KKK membership, and expecting a Constitutionally-guaranteed right to equal protection before the law?

Why are you so fixated on homosexuals that you would want to undo the same Constitutional rights that protect you? Is it worth the sacrifice to lose your right to be treated equal despite your gender, religion, or ethnicity just to have your way about homosexuals?Q- So homosexuality got out the closet why open the dungeon? Please name every pro that can come from this? - Stable relationships among gays
- Greater social psychological stability (one less thing to fight and worry over)
- Population control (heterosexual breeders are solely responsible for the world's population crisis)
- We can focus attention on more legitimate issues than sacrificing our Constitutional rights just so we can be mean to gays
- Disease control (it is much easier to control the spread of disease if the affected are not hidden in the underground)

Hopefully, that's enough to start. We all benefit from these things. Q- Beyond the fact that this is imposing upon people's rights look at the laws proposed. Why would any sane parent want homosexuals around their children? Because, in their sanity, they are able to realize that it doesn't matter. I still laugh at the statistical assertion by the OCA that 95% of child abusers who abuse little girls are homosexuals.

You fixate too much on homosexuality, and I don't understand why. Parents should want good people around their children, and if that good person should happen to be gay, I'm not sure why it matters.Q- Please tell, how can you spot a homosexual? Depends on where you are. In the workplace, it's a little tougher. Nonetheless, people don't ask me if I'm gay, they tell me I am. I pretend to be surprised, but it's such an old hack by now that I find such idiocy to be a testament to bigotry. Hmm, I have long hair, own two Broadway-cast CD's, and won't hate another person for being a homosexual. Yep, must make me gay. :rolleyes:

Besides, if your resume says you were employed, say, as an accountant for LGBA or even Oregon's "After Eight PAC" or "No on 9 PAC", the employer may well just assume you're gay.Well said, No Freedom of Speech. Support that assertion. Please show government intervention in the public media to prevent the discussion of Biblical declarations against homosexuality or, as you have it, other "perversions".Q-So if I get 20 live in lovers can I get paid for each one? No, it's usually according to domestic-partnership rules. Minimum cohabitation is usually an important criterion. But legalizing gay marriage will solve this problem.Q- Just for money? And when should man and giraffe marriage's be legitimiate? Homosexuality and bestiality are two entirely separate things. Please stick to the topic of your own topic.If I get discriminated against for not accepting imposive twisted law's. That's fine, I still have my sanity Depends on how you go about it.

Anecdote for you: At an insurance company where I worked, one of the things that was banned was open display of religious materials. One day, someone from HR noticed a desktop wallpaper on my computer that can be considered religious (see Warath-Blossoms (http://www.drizzle.com/~slmndr/uncle_al/lies/52.html), and Perdurabo's "Seal of Babalon"). The HR agent reminded me that such displays were prohibited, but advised that she would not make me take it down unless someone complained. I asked her what she would do if someone complained about the public displays of Christianity, and she said, "Like what?" I then rattled off the names of about five employees who had Biblical symbols and phrases tacked all over their work area, emblazoned across their marquee screen-savers, and so forth, reminding her that I wasn't complaining about them at all, but rather that I was happy to share equal rights all around.

What, then, constitutes "upholding biblical truth"? Believing what one chooses? Or actively demanding that others be stripped of the rights the one enjoys according to equal protection under the law (a Constitutional standard)?

And, as you note, "If" you get discriminated against. Provide some theoretical examples, please. (See preceding paragraph.)Q- And where are the pro's in encouraging kids to accept unnatural sex as norm? And should science be removed from the schools as well?Funny you should ask that second question, since it is people alleging to espouse biblical truths who would destroy science in schools (demanding that Creationism be given as much credibility as the scientific method).

In the meantime, the pros include:

- Less bigots like you dragging down society with petty spite.
- Better-prepared doctors, psychologists, social workers, and schoolteachers (the OCA's anti-gay measures in Oregon would have affected the Universities as well)
- A better learning environment for gay students, who are regularly persecuted and alienated by their classmates
- Hence, better-prepared students all around
- Greater comfort with human sexuality in general, leading to less internal conflicts--people are happier and more secure when they have fewer internal conflicts
- Greater productivity for society, as several stumbling-blocks thrown in society's way by religious fanatics and bigots evaporate under the weight of knowledge Science has found no promiscious perverse unnatural genes, therefore, quit blamming God for personal decisions.Do biblical advocates ever bust out of their dualistic notions, or is the condition a permanent handicap? You should check into the DSM and which of its listed disorders are included under the ADA. You might be entitled to government assistance in your life.

And blaming God for the personal decision to be a raging, lunatic bigot is only partly inappropriate. Atheists, operating without a presumption of God, can only blame the bigots. Theists can blame God for Its contribution to neurotic and psychotic bigotry.

And given that churches have doctrines which (when Christian or Judaic) are protected by the Constitution, I'd like to see some of those lawsuits (if any exist) and what the courts say. If the Boy Scouts can teach hatred, why can't a Christian church?

However, if a Church body chooses to slander or libel someone while campaigning for the enactment of their favorite bigotry, they should be held responsible. It would seem that Christ protects liars and haters, but the Constitution does not.

-Tiassa :cool:

Lady, allow me to make it clear that if you are against homosexuality being legal for religious reasons you are clearly one of the lowest forms of human being.

** Did you bother to read the proposed laws?And why are the Christians gettin on your nerves?

You seem to (and I may be wrong on this) believe that you have the right to enforce your religious beliefs on everyone else. How dispicable.


** Say 25 hail Mary's, smack yourself, then cut me a check.. NOW.. guess what? I'm not the Pope. Sorry if my beliefs make you feel judged:confused:


Some people believe in freedom. Others do not.
Secondly; what do you mean by unnatural? Gay sex is natural. It occurs in the animal world with some frequency.

** Why people blame animals for their deeds?. Just say the devil made me do it.g

Lady,
Aren't you going to answer Tiassa's questions with substance? I'm interested to hear your response to:
And, as you note, "If" you get discriminated against. Provide some theoretical examples, please. (See preceding paragraph.)

I think you can show a homosexual that it's wrong to be that way, and I think most already know it. My standing is, if it is found that you can not help someone, than by what are they profitted by the continual torment of you reminding them of their wretchedness.

I think you can show a homosexual that it's wrong to be that way, and I think most already know it.I've had sex with another man before. Now, show me that it's wrong, because I don't know that, and I don't believe the assertion.

Indulge me, please. I would love to see how that is structured. And you never know, you might actually pull it off. ;)

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

I would like some time to prepare a some what through reply. I hope to be finished by tonight(emphasises on "hope").

In the mean time I'd just like to state that I don't hate homosexuals. They just made a error in judgement. An to any one who might be thinking that they are so far above a "Homo" that they have the right to hate them, you dont. An if you are truly to consider the implications of the fact that they where able to make this error, can you truly say as also being a man, that it couldn't have been you? An in a manner of speaking, wasn't? An that goes for anything.

Why are you so fixated on homosexuals that you would want to undo the same Constitutional rights that protect you? Is it worth the sacrifice to lose your right to be treated equal despite your gender, religion, or ethnicity just to have your way about homosexuals?


Unnatural Sex legalized what are the con's?



- Greater social psychological stability (one less thing to fight and worry over)

** How? Everybody getting everbody animal poop included, psychologcial stability? NOT:D

Support that assertion. Please show government intervention in the public media to prevent the discussion of Biblical declarations against homosexuality or, as you have it, other "perversions"


** Try reading the proposed law's?


Homosexuality and bestiality are two entirely separate things. Please stick to the topic of your own topic.

** And both are unnatural

In the meantime, force himself how? By applying to rent an apartment, ignorant of the landlord's KKK membership, and expecting a Constitutionally-guaranteed right to equal protection before the law?

** Still private property is just that and people have a freedom to hate or simpliy disagree. God given right.


- Less bigots like you dragging down society with petty spite.
- Better-prepared doctors, psychologists, social workers, and schoolteachers (the OCA's anti-gay measures in Oregon would have affected the Universities as well)
- A better learning environment for gay students, who are regularly persecuted and alienated by their classmates
- Hence, better-prepared students all around
- Greater comfort with human sexuality in general, leading to less internal conflicts--people are happier and more secure when they have fewer internal conflicts
- Greater productivity for society, as several stumbling-blocks thrown in society's way by religious fanatics and bigots evaporate under the weight of knowledge

Now the con's



Depends on where you are. In the workplace, it's a little tougher. Nonetheless, people don't ask me if I'm gay, they tell me I am. I pretend to be surprised, but it's such an old hack by now that I find such idiocy to be a testament to bigotry. Hmm, I have long hair, own two Broadway-cast CD's, and won't hate another person for being a homosexual. Yep, must make me gay.

** It's a identifable demonic spirit? Like Aids it mutates and changes the host?


You fixate too much on homosexuality, and I don't understand why. Parents should want good people around their children, and if that good person should happen to be gay, I'm not sure why it matters.

** Just say the devil made me do it? Good people don't blame God

[QUOTE ]- Stable relationships among gays

** Stable? You mean't promiscious


I still want to know why we should open the dungeon?


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Disease control (it is much easier to control the spread of disease if the affected are not hidden in the underground)


** Earth to Princess; what makes you think we can cure those disease's?J Is Aids not potent and complex enough?Do you want more?

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you can't discriminate against sexuality.

** But those laws are? Pro's for the heterosexuals? Where?



Because, in their sanity, they are able to realize that it doesn't matter.
Thank you, though, for equating homosexual and race issues. Until homosexuality can be shown to be universally and definitively a conscious choice to deviate from heterosexuality, this is, truly, a fair comparison. And just like you can't discriminate against

** Your not welcomed due to lack of gene




However, if a Church body chooses to slander or libel someone while campaigning for the enactment of their favorite bigotry, they should be held responsible. It would seem that Christ protects liars and haters, but the Constitution does not.

** Find the gene and prove Christ a liar & hater



Reminding her that I wasn't complaining about them at all, but rather that I was happy to share equal rights all around.

Yet the law's aren't comming from this emotion.

And, as you note, "If" you get discriminated against. Provide some theoretical examples, please. (See preceding paragraph.)


** These law's are oppressive& destructive and in the midst of spiritual darkness, and I am discriminated against for passing through Satan's Dominon with my soul.

you know, "natural" is a highly subjective term' Lots of things were considered unatural and were outlawed in the past. Like if you wanted to marry some one who wasn't the same ethnicity as you. There were actual laws against this. it was considered unatural and wrong. now most people think that is a childish view(i hope).

so what's the difference in wanting to be with some one of the same gender as you? is it cause people can qoute the bible to back up their claims? people did that for the interracial marriges as well. quite frankly using the bible to back up your opinion has at best, a mixed track record.

It seems like some people think that if they find something odd and strange then that makes it wrong.

I'd like to see how you can argue that being gay is an error in judgement.
That will be interesting.

I happen to think Lady is really a guy with a wee-man complex. Gotta a little wanker sweetie?
I know how "irritating" gays could be. I mean... imagine them getting the same freedoms as us!:rolleyes:

Get a clue Lady or shut your trap. Your arguement hold no validity. Quit resulting to finger pointing and name calling just to make yourself look better. Your making yourself look stupid.

Just FYI:D

The thing about true "unnatural" is it doesn't work, or can not be (as with any error) according to the "natural" laws. you know, "natural" is a highly subjective term' Lots of things were considered unatural and were outlawed in the past. Like if you wanted to marry some one who wasn't the same ethnicity as you. There were actual laws against this. it was considered unatural and wrong. now most people think that is a childish view(i hope). Therefore this is irrelevant, given that through interacial marriages you still fulfill the need to multiple or reproduce. This is the only reason for "sex" in the first place. Doing anything else is illogical, and in doing so we would have failed to properly discern (as a head) the desires of our body. After all, when did we become more than single celled organism? Think about it.

Law 57: Shag whatever the hell you want, as long as it doesn't do any harm.

I would say "consent is required", but some people might be into inanimate things which are incapable of giving consent.

Law 57: Shag whatever the hell you want, as long as it doesn't do any harm.

AMEN!

1)What is harmful?

2)What are laws, based on?

3)Mutual benefit.

4)Motive

5)Liberty

6)Relationship

7)Proper

8)Statues

9)Reasonable

10)Rational

11)Just

12)Righteous

13)Fellowman

14)Judgement

Just a few things to consider. An don't rush and reply, take your time and "consider", no matter how long it takes. Look up definations of words if they seem like they don't connect.


consider -
1 : to think about carefully: as a : to think of especially with regard to taking some action <is considering you for the job> <considered moving to the city> b : to take into account <defendant's age must be considered>
2 : to regard or treat in an attentive or kindly way <he considered her every wish>
3 : to gaze on steadily or reflectively
4 : to come to judge or classify <consider thrift essential>
5 : REGARD <his works are well considered abroad>
6 : SUPPOSE
intransitive senses : REFLECT, DELIBERATE <paused a moment to consider>

Unnatural Sex legalized what are the con's? A lot of sore sheep and dogs?

Lady, get it through your skull that homosexuality occurs elsewhere in nature. Deal with it. Are you talking about homosexuality or unnatural sex? Which one is it?

Furthermore, would you please answer the questions?

Why are you so fixated on homosexuals that you would want to undo the same Constitutional rights that protect you? Is it worth the sacrifice to lose your right to be treated equal despite your gender, religion, or ethnicity just to have your way about homosexuals? How? Everybody getting everbody animal poop included, psychologcial stability? NOT The only reason I share your :D is that you make no sense. Would you like to clarify what you're trying to say?Try reading the proposed law's? Direct me to them. Or better yet, provide them and support your assertion.And both are unnatural Again, please stick to your own topic.Still private property is just that and people have a freedom to hate or simpliy disagree. God given right. So what example are you referring to? Race-base discrimination in housing--what I alluded to--is already prohibited. That's why your KKK example is so thin.

Should people be allowed to discriminate in housing, education, employment, or justice based on ethicity?Now the con's I'm waiting .... It's a identifable demonic spirit? Like Aids it mutates and changes the host?Please establish (A) the relevance, and (B) the meaning of that in the context of the passage to which you are responding.

You're not particularly coherent at the moment, Lady.Just say the devil made me do it? Good people don't blame God What does that have to do with who parents allow around their children?Stable? You mean't promiscious A new question, and one which I would very much like an answer to: Why do you spend so much time talking about God and the Bible when your attitude and words indicate that you are not Christian? Christians are not, by doctrine, supposed to be as spiteful and dishonest as you are by your evasions and irrelevant mischaracterizations.I still want to know why we should open the dungeon?What dungeon?Earth to Princess; what makes you think we can cure those disease's?J Is Aids not potent and complex enough?Do you want more? Um ... what has that to do with anything? I'm talking about disease prevention. When you can't cure a disease, you try to contain its spread.

And we will, eventually, get a handle on AIDS. It will eventually, at worst, be like having a cold. In the meantime, I do think we can, eventually, cure AIDS. We're the human species. We've been to the moon. We're picking up half-watt signals from outside our solar system. We can eliminate millions of people in less time than it takes for the thought impulse to register that you're about to die. In the long run, there's very little we can't do if we put our minds to it.

I mean, if these diseases are so important to you, why not dedicate your seemingly boundless energy and your one-track mind to curing them instead of obsessing yourself with other people's sex lives?But those laws are? Pro's for the heterosexuals? Where? Fifty bucks a blow on the streetcorner? Oh, wait, you meant pro and con ....

Right now they're inherent. Heterosexuals have access to financial resources and social recognition not available to homosexuals.Your not welcomed due to lack of geneAnd beyond the gene? Social conditioning? Estrogen/testosterone balance in utero?Find the gene and prove Christ a liar & hater What has that to do with any of this?Yet the law's aren't comming from this emotion What rights would you be losing? The right to openly discriminate? The right to enact your spite?These law's are oppressive& destructive and in the midst of spiritual darkness, and I am discriminated against for passing through Satan's Dominon with my soul. (1) Please provide those examples.
(2) What the hell are you talking about?

Lady, your inability to address your own topics honestly serves as a great discredit to you. You have the right to believe what you want, but if you cannot provide some valid reason for it, then it's merely your arbitrary (at best) belief.

Next time you want to yell about God and Satan, though, take it to the religious forum. Hell, I thought you wanted a debate about ethics, morality, and justice.

Where ever did you learn to be so disrespectful to people? Do let me know, so I can protect my daughter from such influences.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

This is the only reason for "sex" in the first place. Doing anything else is illogical,

ok. so anything other than straight missionary for 5 minutes is illogical? straight people do have sex other than to reproduce. there are plenty of illogical people out there having a lot of fun.

what's more natural than nature? if you will go to your local zoo you may find all sorts of strange "natural" sexual behavior.
chimps get it on in all sorts of silly ways.

humans are animals too ya know. so why can't we get it on in any sort of way we wish without fear of someone creating a law against it.

Did you read and consider any of my other post, or even the rest of that one? If not, please do so. :bugeye: :confused:

Lady, get it through your skull that homosexuality occurs elsewhere in nature. Deal with it.


** So the monkeys justify homosexulity amongst humans? Quit blaming the animals





Are you talking about homosexuality or unnatural sex? Which one is it?
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Why are you so fixated on homosexuals that you would want to undo the same Constitutional rights that protect you? Is it worth the sacrifice to lose your right to be treated equal despite your gender, religion, or ethnicity just to have your way about homosexuals?

** Unlike sexual preferences, gender and ethnicity is beyond our choice, futhermore, if I proposed imposive laws I don't deserve to have them.




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It's a identifable demonic spirit? Like Aids it mutates and changes the host?
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Please establish (A) the relevance, and (B) the meaning of that in the context of the passage to which you are responding.


** This is how people know your gay without telling them.



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Just say the devil made me do it? Good people don't blame God
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What does that have to do with who parents allow around their children?

** Will you teach the children homosexuality and all other unnatual acts come from nature, therefore, good for humans?


A new question, and one which I would very much like an answer to: Why do you spend so much time talking about God and the Bible when your attitude and words indicate that you are not Christian? Christians are not, by doctrine, supposed to be as spiteful and dishonest as you are by your evasions and irrelevant mischaracterizations.


** I just don't yeild to demonic spirits. If this makes me a sinner in your eye's I'm fine :cool:


I mean, if these diseases are so important to you, why not dedicate your seemingly boundless energy and your one-track mind to curing them instead of obsessing yourself with other people's sex lives?


** The homosexual community should dedicate their lives finding cures for the disease since they proposed legalizing unnatural acts.

Lady, your inability to address your own topics honestly serves as a great discredit to you. You have the right to believe what you want, but if you cannot provide some valid reason for it, then it's merely your arbitrary (at best) belief.

** Where's the unnatural perverse gene? And I'll shut up


Next time you want to yell about God and Satan, though, take it to the religious forum. Hell, I thought you wanted a debate about ethics, morality, and justice.


**O.k. from a justice perspective?Where in those laws are hetersexuals respected.

Where ever did you learn to be so disrespectful to people? Do let me know, so I can protect my daughter from such influences.

** She needs to get away from you.

Is it wrong to have sex before marriage? Maybe with lots of people? Does that make one a sinner?

lady YOU try reading something

read the section your in ETHICS MORALITY AND JUSTICE, read my post where i said if you bring religion into it i would close the thread and tell me again why its still open?

just for interest in the US its consitutional that religion stays out of politics hence its stays out of JUSTICE

dose anyone have statistics on pedifilia

even having to DEFEND this makes me sick but what is the ratio boy:girl and male:female offeneders?

lady i would remind you that 60 years ago (if im wrong on the date can someone correct me please) your opinion ment nothing

now if i was like you right about now i would say the only 2 thinks a women is good for is a root and cleaning the dishesses and shouldnt be seen apart from that

but i belive that ALL humans are equal

regardless or race, religion, sex, sexual prefference or anything else (i missed one i think)

oh yea

AGE is the other one

every PERSON deserves the right to work

every PERSON deserves the right to walk down the street without fear

every PERSON deserves the right to kiss the person the love\like\want to screw wherever

every PERSON has the right to belive whatever they like without interferance by ANYONE else (unless they want it like a debate in the religiouse section)

every PERSON has the right to live a life free from prejuiduse from ANYONE

every PERSON has the right to do WHATEVER they like with a concenting adult without interferance from anyone

now without telling me im evil cause god said so (god made frogs and flys and homosexuality exists in them as well of the top of my head, oh and watch how a farmer tells if his cows are ready to be put with a bull)

if i could i would send you back before the feminist movement to show you just what people do because "thats the way god made it"

wake up and smell the roses, its not god its biggots like YOU

oh and binary have you every given recived a head job?

That's a wierd question:bugeye:, I fail to see the relavance, but no.

i should have added did you ever do it with any form of birth control

because that takes out sex for procreation rather efectivly

oh B\W humans and dolpins do it for recreation as well as procreation

I knew that already, atleast that humans did. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. I'm just trying to perhaps stimulate the realization of higher judgement. The world is relative.

in that case

how DARE you tell me im wrong to chose my partner

Their is a proper partner, and that one is made for it. If you really one to look at it women are still men, their just men that have been modified in both mind and body in order to compensate for the males inability to reproduce alone. Also they make the best intimate companions, due to their inherent conformity. Also you can not rule out the importance and conveniency of mutual pleasure.

umm

i happen to find most females bitchy, shallow and annoying

where i find guys cuddly and protective

i like the latter and dislike the former

so why should i go with a girl?

Well if righteous judgement isn't important, than go ahead, it's not my well being, but to me it's a neccessity.

Please excuse my bad spelling, I think I'm a bit tired.

So the monkeys justify homosexulity amongst humans? Quit blaming the animals Who's blaming the animals? You keep mixing terms like "homosexuality" with "unnatural".

Homosexuality is natural. Nobody's blaming the animals.State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned. While state laws against sodomy will eventually be overturned by popular demand, the Supreme Court of the United States presently holds that English Common Law is a good enough reason to continue to permit the states to make antisodomy laws.

As to bestiality and genuinely unnatural matings--I just don't see it happening. Please provide some evidence of the potential legalization of such unnatural matings.Unlike sexual preferences, gender and ethnicity is beyond our choice, futhermore, if I proposed imposive laws I don't deserve to have them.What about supporting the existence of intrusive and unnecessary laws?

Nonetheless, you have yet to demonstrate that sexual orientation is a mere "choice".This is how people know your gay without telling them. Well now, I do believe I have grounds to complain to our moderators about your harassing conduct. I'll have to decide whether it's worth it to do so, or to simply let you continue to make a fool of yourself.Will you teach the children homosexuality and all other unnatual acts come from nature, therefore, good for humans? I fully expect my daughter to understand that homosexuality is acceptable. I'm not sure that I'll need to broach the subject of bestiality; I don't expect her to be out fucking horses.

Homosexuality good for humans? Perhaps. More accurately, it's a part of humanity. Is heterosexuality good? Well, the breeders are overpopulating compared to the species' present resource production and distribution. Heterosexuality, therefore, contributes directly to poverty and, through that condition, human strife. I just don't yeild to demonic spirits. If this makes me a sinner in your eye's I'm fineIt makes you a sinner in Jesus' eyes, too:"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5.43-ff) Do I really need to bust out Matthew 25 ("Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren ...")?

You're welcome to ignore Jesus' words all you want. It makes no difference to me except in measuring your ... credibility :bugeye: The homosexual community should dedicate their lives finding cures for the disease since they proposed legalizing unnatural acts.You make no sense here. Homosexuals do not propose legalizing unnatural sexual acts.Where's the unnatural perverse gene? And I'll shut up Doesn't have to be a gene. Why are you so insistent that a lack of evidence is evidence of a lack? Beyond genetics, it can be any number of things, such as hormonal balance in utero and social conditioning.

After all, genes aren't the bottom line, Lady. Did you know that a person can carry the XY chromosome set (male) and still be female? Such a condition is documented and seems to arise from an inadequate testosterone supply to the fetus.

Seriously--just because there's nothing new coming from the Bible doesn't mean science is finished.O.k. from a justice perspective?Where in those laws are hetersexuals respected.Which laws, specifically?

After all, there's the Defense of Marriage Act, numerous tax benefits available to married couples, and in the case of death without a will, a gay partner (of decades' endurance) are not entitled to their partner's estate.She needs to get away from you.Why's that? Would it break your heart to see a child raised to be a decent human being?

Why are you afraid to direct me to these mysterious laws you refer to? Why do you ignore issues like hormones in utero and social conditioning? Why do you ignore the fact that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon? Why is it that you can only resort to paranoia about demons? Why is it that you ignore the contents of the Bible you claim to advocate?

I'm also curious as to your age and education, and also your native language. Your sentence structure (or lack thereof) often makes it difficult to figure out what you're referring to, and I'm trying to figure out why this is.

Honest consideration given any of these issues will help me figure out just what the hell your problem is. Furthermore, I would like to make sure that you are of legal age to consent to sexual intercourse so that I might recommend that you go out, find any partner you like, and have a few screaming orgasms. If you are not of age, I will be left with no option but to recommend medication, something along the lines of chlorpromazine.

In the meantime, please refrain from such harassing language as you have undertaken. Otherwise, I shall have to do the rest of my fellow posters the favor of lodging a complaint against your insensitivity, aggression, and bigotry. I can quite easily classify you as a fuckup merely on the grounds of your Biblical advocacy. However, I generally maintain a trust that human beings are better than that, and thus it would be inappropriate of me to presume that you really are this stupid and belligerent.

Request to the moderator: It seems best to move this topic over to the Religion Forum, as the primary argument of the topic poster seems to have something to do with demonology and Biblically-derived paranoia. I would like to formally and openly request that transition at this time.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

it can stay here seeing as it was posted here but as i origionally said if the post are going to consist of religiouse garbage they can be deleted (if i can be bothered) or the thread can go

that was the condition it was reopened

cris and um whos the other mod:p dont need to deal with this garbage

tiassa if you read this again then i would just like to add i offered to move it to religion and they said there was no point. there sugestion was i close it and if people want to debate it religiously make a new thread in religion and make a whole NEW thread here

Fair enough, Asguard.

I hope you don't mind, then, if I take the liberty of thoroughly enjoying myself in this one ....

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by Jaxom
* Private organizations such as the Boy Scouts will be required to accept a gay scoutmaster.
* Employers will not be allowed to reject applicants because they are gay.
* Companies will be required to extend marital benefits to employees who live in a same-sex relationship.
* States might be required to legitimize same sex marriages.

Replace gay or homosexual with the terms black or women, where applicable, and see how much sense it makes.


can anyone see history repeating itself again?

i mean sounds to me like what the feminist movment had to fight

just for the record the "boy" scouts ADMIT females (the guides dont admit boys, just a bit of reverse discrimination for you) so that they dont breach the antidiscrimination laws and because its RIGHT

and whos next on the are evil list?
mentally retarded people?
i had a slightly handycaped leader when i was in cubs
had female leaders

so whats so wrong about gays?

oh THATS right we are all pedifiles arnt we

apart from that sugestion being INSULTING and wrong (if you dissagree PROVE IT), i would rather bbcboy look after a child of mine than YOU

i put up with gay = bad all through school to the exsted that i begain to belive it

NO one should be afraid of themselves, not because they are female, black, white, male, gay, straight or in between

[As to bestiality and genuinely unnatural matings--I just don't see it happening. Please provide some evidence of the potential legalization of such unnatural matings.


Law 2
State laws against sodomy and other unnatual acts will be overturned


[Nonetheless, you have yet to demonstrate that sexual orientation is a mere "choice".

** You have yet to find the GENE


[Homosexuality good for humans? Perhaps. More accurately, it's a part of humanity. Is heterosexuality good? Well, the breeders are overpopulating compared to the species' present resource production and distribution. Heterosexuality, therefore, contributes directly to poverty and, through that condition, human strife.


** If law 2 is passed we won't have to worry about human strife or over population? Disease will eliminate us faster than war




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"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5.43-ff)
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** So why are the law's attacking churches? Likewise, Homosexuals need to respect and love those who reject that practice as well


[Why are you afraid to direct me to these mysterious laws you refer to
You make no sense here. Homosexuals do not propose legalizing unnatural sexual acts.

Law 2
State laws against sodomy and other unnatual acts will be overturned



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The homosexual community should dedicate their lives finding cures for the disease since they proposed legalizing unnatural acts.
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You make no sense here. Homosexuals do not propose legalizing unnatural sexual acts.


Law 2
State laws against sodomy and other unnatual acts will be overturned

** You have yet to find the GENE

Can you name the gene that makes you want the opposite sex?

read the section your in ETHICS MORALITY AND JUSTICE, read my post where i said if you bring religion into it i would close the thread and tell me again why its still open?




** Morality perspective likewise justice

Lady, I think you're really making people who don't believe homosexaulity is acceptable look bad, with your incomprehensible answers. Can you please give a logical reason why homosexuality is not acceptable.

Also, for those who may be making negative "assumptions" about the words I use, I would suggest you looked them up before disregarding the logic of my statements.

Originally posted by *stRgrL*
Can you name the gene that makes you want the opposite sex?



** There isn't one

Then what makes you think there is one for homosexuals? Maybe its a preference? Im sure you have a preference towards a certain kind of man.

And I have to agree with Binary on this one. Your not a bad person because you think homosexuality is bad, but at least give some descent answers geez.

UOTE]Originally posted by Binary
[B]Lady, I think you're really making people who don't believe homosexaulity is acceptable look bad, with your incomprehensible answers. Can you please give a logical reason why homosexuality is not acceptable.


If there are people in this world that believe homosexuality and other unnatural acts is unacceptable. They should consider the logic behind the laws?A deeper issue, and I did digress to paranormal evaluation,( sorry) but if legal minds are present here debate the law's( no rush) they'll never pass anyways.

Peace:D g

Binary:
... through interacial marriages you still fulfill the need to multiple or reproduce. This is the only reason for "sex" in the first place. Doing anything else is illogical
If this were so and if what you call "righteous judgement" or "higher judgement" were a concern, then (as I think Asguard was suggesting) we would never have sex with anyone except to have a baby. And obviously people do, and always have, for the obvious reason that sex is about more than that. It's about pleasure and intimacy and thus has a purpose beyond and independent of reproduction.

This purpose, in this sense, is a logical activity between two people who care for each other, irrespective of gender. No one has the right to make intimacy and shared pleasure wrong, legally or otherwise or to in any way encroach on the ability of one person to express love to another.

Lady:
And take into consideration consequences of actions, the rippling effect, while in your chambers, and I'll be back.
So far as I can tell, you haven't as yet given any clear, hypothetical examples of the "rippling" effect yourself. How, in real-life terms - give us a day-in-the-life-of-Lady example - would any pro-homosexual laws affect you? Give us one example of how they'd affect you when you go shopping, or to the bank or to work. Anything that explains your evident fear.

Originally posted by MacZ
Lady:

So far as I can tell, you haven't as yet given any clear, hypothetical examples of the "rippling" effect yourself. How, in real-life terms - give us a day-in-the-life-of-Lady example - would any pro-homosexual laws affect you? Give us one example of how they'd affect you when you go shopping, or to the bank or to work. Anything that explains your evident fear.



** Did you bother to read the proposed law's? If not, what's the point?

Homosexual laws

What are your thoughts on the proposed laws of the homosexual community?


Landlords will be required to accept homosexuals as tenants (already the law in some places).
* State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned.
* Private organizations such as the Boy Scouts will be required to accept a gay scoutmaster.
* Employers will not be allowed to reject applicants because they are gay.1
* Public media will be either prevented or pressured not to broadcast or to print even Bible declarations against sexual perversions--no freedom of speech on this issue.
* Companies will be required to extend marital benefits to employees who live in a same-sex relationship.2
* States might be required to legitimize same sex marriages.
* One who openly upholds biblical truth on these issues will be subject to discrimination.3
* Schools will be required to encourage acceptance of sexual diversity and parental guidance in these matters will be ignored.
* Churches will lose their tax-free status and become subject to lawsuits when they reject or discipline practicing homosexuals.


excerpts by David R. Pharr

* State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned.

This is a good thing. Sodomy should only be considered bad when it is forced, ie rape!

* Private organizations such as the Boy Scouts will be required to accept a gay scoutmaster.

They should accept a scoutmaster on his merit not on his sexual preference. What does sexual preference have to do with being a scoutmaster? Are you afraid he will bring his boyfriend and give a demonstration on "How to give good head" in front of your kids?

* Employers will not be allowed to reject applicants because they are gay.1

Employees should be picked based on their experience and education, not on their sexual preference. Again what does sexual preference have to do with how you do your job?

* Public media will be either prevented or pressured not to broadcast or to print even Bible declarations against sexual perversions--no freedom of speech on this issue.

I think this is to prevent more people like you from being brainwashed.

* Companies will be required to extend marital benefits to employees who live in a same-sex relationship.

They should legalized same-sex unions. If you were living with a guy for 10 years shouldn't you be entitled to his health benefits?

* States might be required to legitimize same sex marriages.

So? Who is this hurting?

* One who openly upholds biblical truth on these issues will be subject to discrimination.

You mean like the same way you discriminate against gays?

* Schools will be required to encourage acceptance of sexual diversity and parental guidance in these matters will be ignored.

Good! Lets encourage diversity! Lets uphold and praise it! How is this bad? Do you honestly think that if we start treating gays as equals, they're "disease" will spread to straight people?

* Churches will lose their tax-free status and become subject to lawsuits when they reject or discipline practicing homosexuals.

I firmly believe a church can practice whatever they want. I dont think they should lose certain statuses for not accepting certain behaviors. Just as I think gay people should not lose certain freedoms you and I share, simply because he is a little different.

On a lighter note I would like to know Lady, other then religion, can you think of a reason why it would be bad for 2 people that are of age and in love with each other to have sex? How is this personally effecting you? Are you angry because if these laws are passed, gays will be considered equal? Are they not equal in your eyes? Do they not breath the same air? Live on the same planet? And deal with the everyday stress that you and I deal with? Sounds like their in everyway just like you and I. (Only in your eyes they will burn in eternal flames. Is this not enough punishment for them that you have to try and make it harder for them while they are alive?)
I just dont understand the reasoning behind your thinking. You believe in God yet you judge so vehemently.

Are you not being judged this very minute?

"State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned."

Can you please quote a major gay organization asking to legalize sex acts not involving sodomy? And don't quote your little list again - that list is not from a gay organization and it hardly represents the wishes of the "gay community" as their is no political part which represents gays.

lady

i got the truck and rope. lets go get us some gay boys
yeehaaa

This thread is really starting to look like another "feelings" thread, where the correct perspective is determined by strength of numbers. If we're going to have a reasonable, or at least logical disscusion, then lets drop the little Lady bashing, and focus on presenting the reasons for our preferences. There is no such thing as "just is right" or "everyone is entitled to their oppinion". The world is relative, meaning there is allows a relation. Through what is the connection lost between the mind and the physical world? There is always only one correct, or logical solution to a problem, no matter how the problem is expressed. Is not this what your mind is for? To gain understanding of the world trough reasoning, so that you can overcome any perplexities or problems, through logical deduction of a accurate answer based on your current gathered intelligence? I believe all of us here would agree that 1+1=2, and do not have a problem with the expressed logic, but how many here have ever truly considered the dictation of this same logic, and it's impact as the principle for determening accurate analysis and correct judgement?

binary
your post is way more annoying than mine!

:D

On a lighter note I would like to know Lady, other then religion, can you think of a reason why it would be bad for 2 people that are of age and in love with each other to have sex? How is this personally effecting you? Are you angry because if these laws are passed, gays will be considered equal? Are they not equal in your eyes? Do they not breath the same air? Live on the same planet? And deal with the everyday stress that you and I deal with? Sounds like their in everyway just like you and I. (Only in your eyes they will burn in eternal flames. Is this not enough punishment for them that you have to try and make it harder for them while they are alive?)
I just dont understand the reasoning behind your thinking. You believe in God yet you judge so vehemently.

Are you not being judge

** Boo- hoo- hoo, who hasn't been discriminated against? I don't care if they burn in hell or not ( their choice) nor is it my decision. But I stick to my point the law's discriminate against other people.Can you prove me wrong?

Originally posted by Tyler
"State laws against sodomy and other unnatural acts will be overturned."

Can you please quote a major gay organization asking to legalize sex acts not involving sodomy? And don't quote your little list again - that list is not from a gay organization and it hardly represents the wishes of the "gay community" as their is no political part which represents gays.



** Use your engine - David Parr

Originally posted by spookz
lady

i got the truck and rope. lets go get us some gay boys
yeehaaa



** I just don't agree with the lifestyle

Lady, is english a second language, or your just not to good with writting? No offense intended, and I hope you don't take any.

Lady,

i can see how some of those laws can be seen as unfair. Such as the forcing of private groups to acept gays. But what about marrige and what not? Who does that hurt? Is someone being discriminated against if two men marry each other?

"Can you please quote a major gay organization asking to legalize sex acts not involving sodomy? And don't quote your little list again - that list is not from a gay organization and it hardly represents the wishes of the "gay community" as their is no political part which represents gays."

I felt I needed to ask this again, as you obviously didn't understand it the first time.

Lady - the way a debate works if you can't answer my question it is assumed that I am right. You obviously can either not speak English or cannot answer the question.

Are you not being judge

Actually I am. But the difference is Im not putting down a whole slew of people and trying to justify it at the same time.

** Boo- hoo- hoo, who hasn't been discriminated against? I don't care if they burn in hell or not ( their choice) nor is it my decision. But I stick to my point the law's discriminate against other people.Can you prove me wrong?

Everyone has been discriminated against, myself included. The whole point of these laws would be to try and some of the discriminating.

Binary

Bashing? Im trying to get some insight in why she thinks the way she does, she is just not doing a very good job at expressing herself properly;)

"Boo- hoo- hoo, who hasn't been discriminated against? I don't care if they burn in hell or not ( their choice) nor is it my decision. But I stick to my point the law's discriminate against other people.Can you prove me wrong?"

1) Who's been descriminated against by the laws?
2) If, say, one group of people was descriminated against by the government does that make it alright to descriminate against all groups?
-- Lady, your logic seems to indicate that you believe that it's okay for the government to descriminate against gays because they've descriminated against other people. Well, let's transport you back in time a while. Had you been this age 50 years ago or so this logic would have made you 100% against Blacks having rights. And before that, women.
3) I don't think I've ever been really descriminated against; except for as a drug user which the goverment launches largely lie-filled propoganda against.

http://www.carolinamessenger.org




This is the correct link go to the Editors note
This is where I got the proposed law's. He doesn't name individual group but as a collection instead. Check it out

Law 2
State laws against sodomy and other unnatual acts will be overturned Umm ... Lady? That does not constitute evidence. That constitutes an assertion, that needs to be backed by evidence.You have yet to find the GENESigh.

Damn, now I have to ask: Are you ignoring the point or just stupid?

It doesn't have to be a gene, Lady. Science is an ongoing process. They're still trying to figure out exactly how an XY chromosome set can result in a female human being. All evidence points to testosterone deficiency in utero.

Any number of hormonal issues could turn out to be responsible for one's sexual orientation. Or it could be mere social conditioning. Or it could be a combination of genes. Or it could be a combination of all those factors.

Is that easy enough for you to comprehend? Or is it easy enough for you to ignore? If law 2 is passed we won't have to worry about human strife or over population? Disease will eliminate us faster than war Please show evidence of that.

Let me clarify for you, since you have a problem with such issues: Please show evidence supporting the assertion. As noted above, an assertion does not evidence make.So why are the law's attacking churches? Likewise, Homosexuals need to respect and love those who reject that practice as well Please provide evidence of laws attacking churches.

How long should anyone, such as a homosexual, respect their persecutor who has no respect for them? Christians have an obligation to turn the other cheek. Not all homosexuals do, as not all homosexuals believe in the Bible.

Again, please provide evidence to support the assertion, and not merely restate the assertion.Law 2
State laws against sodomy and other unnatual acts will be overturned For the nth time, please provide evidence to support that assertion.State laws against sodomy and other unnatual acts will be overturned Shout it as loud as you can, if you want. It doesn't really mean much until you provide evidence to support your assertions.This is the correct link go to the Editors note
This is where I got the proposed law's. He doesn't name individual group but as a collection instead. Check it outOkay ... I see the Editor's Page, but I don't see any proposed laws.

Care to try again?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

iginally posted by Tyler [/i]
"Boo- hoo- hoo, who hasn't been discriminated against? I don't care if they burn in hell or not ( their choice) nor is it my decision. But I stick to my point the law's discriminate against other people.Can you prove me wrong?"

3) I don't think I've ever been really descriminated against; except for as a drug user which the goverment launches largely lie-filled propoganda against. [/QUOTE]

1) Who's been descriminated against by the laws?

** Read them?

If, say, one group of people was descriminated against by the government does that make it alright to descriminate against all groups?

**Ask the government and while questioning them ask if blacks will ever get reparations?

-- Lady, your logic seems to indicate that you believe that it's okay for the government to descriminate against gays because they've descriminated against other people. Well, let's transport you back in time a while. Had you been this age 50 years ago or so this logic would have made you 100% against Blacks having rights. And before that, women.

**Unlike ethnicity and race homosexality is not viewed as something inborn or designed by God, but rather a sexual choice. One group is hated for that which is beyond their control unlike the other. Futhermore, not all are going to agree with homosexuality- that's life.

Originally posted by tiassa
Umm ... Lady? That does not constitute evidence. That constitutes an assertion, that needs to be backed by evidence.Sigh.

Damn, now I have to ask: Are you ignoring the point or just stupid?

It doesn't have to be a gene, Lady. Science is an ongoing process. They're still trying to figure out exactly how an XY chromosome set can result in a female human being. All evidence points to testosterone deficiency in utero.

Any number of hormonal issues could turn out to be responsible for one's sexual orientation. Or it could be mere social conditioning. Or it could be a combination of genes. Or it could be a combination of all those factors.

Is that easy enough for you to comprehend? Or is it easy enough for you to ignore?Please show evidence of that.

Let me clarify for you, since you have a problem with such issues: Please show evidence supporting the assertion. As noted above, an assertion does not evidence make.Please provide evidence of laws attacking churches.

How long should anyone, such as a homosexual, respect their persecutor who has no respect for them? Christians have an obligation to turn the other cheek. Not all homosexuals do, as not all homosexuals believe in the Bible.

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Care to try again?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

gain, please provide evidence to support the assertion, and not merely restate the assertion.For the nth time, please provide evidence to support that assertion.Shout it as loud as you can, if you want. It doesn't really mean much until you provide evidence to support your assertions.Okay ... I see the Editor's Page, but I don't see any proposed laws.


** I'm sure he didn't pull this out of thin air?His email address is available if you really want to find out more info. Anyways are you saying the homosexuals don't want any of these law's? That it's all just a big mix up?



It doesn't have to be a gene, Lady. Science is an ongoing process. They're still trying to figure out exactly how an XY chromosome set can result in a female human being. All evidence points to testosterone deficiency in utero.

Any number of hormonal issues could turn out to be responsible for one's sexual orientation. Or it could be mere social conditioning. Or it could be a combination of genes. Or it could be a combination of all those factors.


** They need to figure Aids out? And it's a choice.... You do it or You don't

"This is where I got the proposed law's. He doesn't name individual group but as a collection instead. Check it out"

I checked it out. It's basically someone on your side of the arguement who is making an assertion without any backing. Again, you're going to have to quote some homosexual group asking for this otherwise it's a simple assertion. So far, you don't seem to understand the difference between "proof" and "assertion".


"I'm sure he didn't pull this out of thin air?His email address is available if you really want to find out more info. Anyways are you saying the homosexuals don't want any of these law's? That it's all just a big mix up?"

Often, people do pull things out of thin air. Creationists have been known to do it all the time. And we're not saying that homosexuals dont want some/all of these laws. Personally, I don't know all homosexuals in the world. And I've yet to hear of a homosexual group requesting beastiality or other such acts to be legalized. Lady, listen, in debate there is a difference between assertion and proof.

Please choose which one you wish to make.

Originally posted by Tyler




QUOTE]Often, people do pull things out of thin air. Creationists have been known to do it all the time. And we're not saying that homosexuals dont want some/all of these laws. Personally, I don't know all homosexuals in the world. And I've yet to hear of a homosexual group requesting beastiality or other such acts to be legalized. Lady, listen, in debate there is a difference between assertion and proof.

checked it out. It's basically someone on your side of the arguement who is making an assertion without any backing. Again, you're going to have to quote some homosexual group asking for this otherwise it's a simple assertion. So far, you don't seem to understand the difference between "proof" and "assertion".

** Email the Guy if you really want to dig into this. I don't know a specific group but I don't believe he would pull all that out of nowhere. So I would have to bet he has some sort of proof. He is a journalist he should know what group(s) he spoke to.

How long should anyone, such as a homosexual, respect their persecutor who has no respect for them? Christians have an obligation to turn the other cheek. Not all homosexuals do, as not all homosexuals believe in the



** Has the Hilter of the homosexuals hit the nation? Quit whining

I'm sure he didn't pull this out of thin air?His email address is available if you really want to find out more info. Anyways are you saying the homosexuals don't want any of these law's? That it's all just a big mix up? Well, stop giving bad links. :rolleyes: They need to figure Aids out? And it's a choice.... You do it or You don'tStop making sense.

Oh, wait, that's an album title.

Please start making sense.

You have yet to provide evidence of these laws. Whether they are good laws or not depends on how they are written. If you would be so kind as to provide an iota of evidence to back up your assertions (e.g. the proposed laws) I might be able to make an assessment.Has the Hilter of the homosexuals hit the nation? Quit whiningIf that made any sort of sense, it might be funny. As it is, its only laugh value comes if I decide to be cruel enough to enjoy the absolutely amazing lack of intellect you display.

If you don't want to talk about it, Lady, then don't bring it up. How simple is that? :rolleyes:

What is your stake, then, in Biblically-oriented values if you're not a Christian?

--Tiassa :cool:

im bowing to public pressure


in NOT DELETING this thread i mean

henceforth it will remain AS A REFERENCE ONLY

it will NOT be reopened

however 2 new CLEAN THREADS will be opened (i really dont know what im going to put in the opening post but oh well)

one will be opened HERE and one in RELIGION

any posts that dont belong in those threads will be deleted

so no god said so in ethics anymore