View Full Version : Hive intelligence and human politics.


siliconshrew
04-09-08, 10:01 PM
I was just reading about insect intelligence. Insects don't really have any intelligence but their colonies certainly seem to and scientists are beginning to apply the same strategies employed by ants and bee's to complex human problems. Like trucking companies that need to find the most efficient and shortest routes for example. Fascinating stuff. In short colonies don't have any central leader. The Queen just makes eggs.

With ants for example a patrol is sent out first thing in the morning. If enough return then this triggers the food gatherers. Just in case a hungry lizard is waiting outside.

With bee's they perform a kind of vote to find the best nest site. Like the stock exchange or a betting office finds the best odds and values through informal mass opinion. Yet both are extremely accurate.

It seems to me the voting system would be far more efficient for humans if only informed people voted on an issue. But perhaps I'm wrong. Like with the betting office where not all people are contributing equally. Thankfully the idiots who only bet on black or white horses cancel each other out.

Perhaps human government should be modelled on hive intelligence and all the parasitical politicians can be made to get real jobs.

Asguard
04-10-08, 09:05 AM
siliconshrew the main problem with this idea is how much time would need to be devoted to politics every day. We just dont have the time to concider every piece of legislation that comes into parliment NOW and if you throw it open who knows how many thousand would be proposed on a daily baisis. Then there is the fact that for those of us who wished to vote on an informed baisis we would have to devote even MORE time to resurching the legislation before the vote and that takes MORE time. Basically we would end up doing nothing but voting on bills and even the goverment does more than that let alone those of us who have to do other things for a living as well

BarbieGirl14
04-10-08, 09:36 AM
Insects are so different then us though. From what we know , they have no wants or needs. personally I don't even think they have an auia.

We are the ones who want our government to give us things, while we keep power. We need a strong central government in order to aid us. We all expect to be protected. We all expect so much, that unless we decided we wanted nothing, we need them.

I recently realized that these muslim radicals were attacking the western countries due to our religion. If America was predominantly muslim, they would have no problem with us. Therefore it is us defending our freedom of religion in this war.

If we were bugs, and had no religion, we would not be so dependent on government.

Ever since the Early pepsi started settling and farming way back when, we have come to depend on each other more and more to supply our needs. As society grows, and we evolve our dependancy as only gone up. Now it is to the point where we rely on our country. Hopefully it will be the world.


people vs people
tribes vs tribes
villages vs villages
citys vs citys
states vs states
countries vs countries

world

If we did not have a central government like we do, we would be back to cave people.


We can not compare our government with insects because were not even sure they are anything like us. They may not even have a soul. Whos to say they are not a product of luck, and a coincidental cycle that happens to continue. As far as we know, they do not have interests, wants, or anything like us. Here body only supplys them there needs so the cycle can continue.

siliconshrew
04-14-08, 10:11 PM
I'd still like to see a decentralised form of government. Power corrupts and governments have too much. Smaller government would be better. None would best. I don't think we need big brother. We managed fine before government was created. Long after we left the caves. People followed those that they respected. There was no authority far away dictating our lives.

Surely there must be a better system. How about only people interested in voting have to vote. In Australia it's compulsory in elections. Not sure about referendums.

If this systems works for companies and faculties in colleges then I don't see why it couldn't be adapted to government. It's not like government isn't corrupt, wasteful and stupid. Perhaps a rotational proportional representational system. Like jury duty. Informed experts are put in control and replaced as situations change.

Ok. I'm out of my depth and grasping a bit. I just don't like being bossed about. Especially by authority.

Asguard
04-14-08, 10:34 PM
siliconshrew i dissagree. A goverments first job is to care for its people, if you eliminate that goverment then who will protect people from exploitation and help those who are in need?

You want to give the second back to the church where everything comes with strings?

siliconshrew
05-07-08, 01:00 AM
That's a scary thought. Religion has to be the greatest evil in the world.

I just don't think a figurehead authority figure is necessary. All we need is a rule book that makes sense.

Enmos
05-07-08, 05:34 AM
Insects don't really have any intelligence..
Think again.
Any insect can beat the most powerful supercomputer in the world hands down.
They have intelligence, it's just different than ours.

Insects.. ..have no wants or needs.
Oh really ? LOL

personally I don't even think they have an auia.
Just wondering what auia is.. :confused:

cosmictraveler
05-07-08, 06:33 AM
BarbieGirl14

I recently realized that these muslim radicals were attacking the western countries due to our religion.


What about what the Christians did to the Native Americans when they came to America? They comitted genocide and yet not once has any Christian group said they were sorry for comitting genocid. So remember that sometimes what goes around sometimes comes around.:mad:

Letticia
05-07-08, 09:18 AM
I recently realized that these muslim radicals were attacking the western countries due to our religion.

No, it's due to their religion. To a radical Muslim, an atheist or a pagan is far more repugnant than a Christian.

Nasor
05-07-08, 09:24 AM
I was just reading about insect intelligence. Insects don't really have any intelligence but their colonies certainly seem to and scientists are beginning to apply the same strategies employed by ants and bee's to complex human problems. Like trucking companies that need to find the most efficient and shortest routes for example. Fascinating stuff. In short colonies don't have any central leader. The Queen just makes eggs.

With ants for example a patrol is sent out first thing in the morning. If enough return then this triggers the food gatherers. Just in case a hungry lizard is waiting outside.
Are you sure that's not just something you read in Prey? Fun book, but most of the science is crap.