Even Fortune Magazine says Hillary's proposal for the mortgage crisis is the 'dumbest solution' they've heard from a prez candidate...

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/16/commentary/birger_clinton.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008011617

God help us if this moron gets elected. :(

Even Fortune Magazine says Hillary's proposal for the mortgage crisis is the 'dumbest solution' they've heard from a prez candidate...

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/16/commentary/birger_clinton.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008011617

God help us if this moron gets elected. :(

For once I agree with you. Check out the YouTube video called "Hillary Exposed" Real interesting stuff.

If you elect Hillary, you elect a more economic version of Bush... but not change.

I saw that. I also read about how her "inner circle" didn't even buy her socialist healthcare plan in 93. :rolleyes:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59759

And that she prayed for advice on what to do about Monica. :rolleyes:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/18/video-hillary-says-faith-prayer-got-her-through-the-lewinsky-scandal/

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire....:rolleyes:

I saw that. I also read about how her "inner circle" didn't even buy her socialist healthcare plan in 93. :rolleyes:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59759

And that she prayed for advice on what to do about Monica. :rolleyes:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/18/video-hillary-says-faith-prayer-got-her-through-the-lewinsky-scandal/

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire....:rolleyes:

her health care plan was not socialist it called for using private corporations

her health care plan was not socialist it called for using private corporations

"Socialist, socialized, universal, government"--they're all the same to me when it comes to the government sticking its nose into our healthcare. It would be a disaster. :(

"Socialist, socialized, universal, government"--they're all the same to me when it comes to the government sticking its nose into our healthcare. It would be a disaster. :(

It's a shame the Republicans in power these days don't agree with you.

The Republicans aren't pushing universal healthcare. That's the liberals' nutroot idea. :rolleyes:

The Republicans aren't pushing universal healthcare. That's the liberals' nutroot idea. :rolleyes:

They're not pushing universal healthcare, but they're not fighting to get government out of health care either.

The Republicans aren't pushing universal healthcare. That's the liberals' nutroot idea. :rolleyes:

The larger the gap between rich and poor, the more likely the economical model will fall over. Its nice to be super rich... but... think long term.

For once I agree with you. Check out the YouTube video called "Hillary Exposed" Real interesting stuff.

If you elect Hillary, you elect a more economic version of Bush... but not change.

Agreed. I despise Hillary.

I'm hoping Obama or Edwards win the Dem nomination.

"Socialist, socialized, universal, government"--they're all the same to me when it comes to the government sticking its nose into our healthcare. It would be a disaster. :(

than your moronic because they don't mean the same things

The Republicans aren't pushing universal healthcare. That's the liberals' nutroot idea. :rolleyes:

first person to make a universal health care plan was a conservative. Otto von Bismark

Why not make a law that forces all businesses to have health insurance for its workers? That way they could all be paying allot less due to a group plan for millions of clients.

than your moronic because they don't mean the same things

We can call Hillary moronic, but you can't call Sandy that. Please abide by Sciforum rules.

Hillary is in effective ideological alignment with the neoconservatives. Most USAmericans haven't realized this, because she happens to also be just as deceptive as the neoconservatives. Her economic policy would be as head-in-the-sand as is the leadership we suffer under now. Oh, and Sandy is a lot like Hillary.

If you seek the candidate most similar in outlook and background to Dubya, then vote for Hillary, Sandy.

Hillary is in effective ideological alignment with the neoconservatives. Most USAmericans haven't realized this, because she happens to also be just as deceptive as the neoconservatives. Her economic policy would be as head-in-the-sand as is the leadership we suffer under now. Oh, and Sandy is a lot like Hillary. If you seek the candidate most similar in outlook and background to Dubya, then vote for Hillary, Sandy.

That's delusional. I am NOTHING like Hillary. She is a pathologically lying, deceptive, chameleon, liberal, married, menopausal, mother, man-hating, lesbian/bi, unattractive shrew with cankles.:eek:

I am a single, hot CCR.:D

I alway thought that people pay taxes for government services. Guess i was wrong.

] Why not make a law that forces all businesses to have health insurance for its workers? Bankrupt half the small businesses in the country? Maybe just make it impossible for them to hire anyone over forty, female, or with any kind of health problem. Sounds like a plan.

Bankrupt half the small businesses in the country? Maybe just make it impossible for them to hire anyone over forty, female, or with any kind of health problem. Sounds like a plan.

I just don't see that happening. Let us suppose that 100 companies were to buy health insurance for their employees. It cost them 100.00 per year per employee. Now say that 1000 companies were to buy into the insurance plan, that would reduce the amounts downward to perhaps 50.00 each person. I don't see why that would bankrupt a small company for the amounts of profits could be raised somewhat to help compensate for this extra price.

I'd rather the companies pay for the health insurance because if the government gets involved it will be a catastrophe I believe. I just don't understand why some people always complain about to much government always watching what we do then turn around and ask to make that government even bigger and watching us even more! It just doesn't make sense to me, perhaps to you it does. :)

People should buy their own health insurance. They should do everything they can to stay healthy. Self-responsibility. It's not the governments' or businesses' jobs to give anyone health insurance.

That's delusional. I am NOTHING like Hillary. She is a pathologically lying, deceptive, chameleon, liberal, married, menopausal, mother, man-hating, lesbian/bi, unattractive shrew with cankles.:eek:

I am a single, hot CCR.:D

most of what you said is either not true or unprovable why are you filled with so much hate. and as much as you talk about hillaray's looks i think you have hots for her.

most of what you said is either not true or unprovable why are you filled with so much hate. and as much as you talk about hillaray's looks i think you have hots for her.

Me thinks you should take your medications more often, you seem to be delusional .

Me thinks you should take your medications more often, you seem to be delusional .

hey i take my pills daily

most of what you said is either not true or unprovable why are you filled with so much hate. and as much as you talk about hillaray's looks i think you have hots for her.

It's ALL true. How long have you known her? Have you even met her? I am not at all attracted to Hillary. I don't hate her. I just think she's deceptive, evil, and pathetic. :(

Me thinks you should take your medications more often, you seem to be delusional . :D :D

We need a strong leader such as Hitlery to abolish those evil video games!

We need a strong leader such as Hitlery to abolish those evil video games!

video games aren't evil

We need a strong leader such as Hitlery to abolish those evil video games!

She can't even abolish her slut-husband's adulterous behavior. How in the hell is she going to even attempt to run a country? Plus she has no experience running a city or a state. She's done nothing as a junior senator. She's useless. :(

It's ALL true. How long have you known her? Have you even met her? I am not at all attracted to Hillary. I don't hate her. I just think she's deceptive, evil, and pathetic. :(

:D :D

i stand by my assement of you. deceptive, evil and pathetic are also all valid descriptors of bush

video games aren't evil

Why don't you try convincing Hitlery of that?

i stand by my assement of you. deceptive, evil and pathetic are also all valid descriptors of bush

W has never lied to us. He is a wonderful man who loves this country so much he wants to keep us free of evil muslim terrorists. I've known him for years. I love him. :D

And your assessment of me means a little less than nothing to me...:rolleyes:

It's ALL true. How long have you known her? Have you even met her? I am not at all attracted to Hillary. I don't hate her. I just think she's deceptive, evil, and pathetic.


As are all politicans today, name one that isn't AND prove their innocence as well.

Dr. Paul.

W has never lied to us. He is a wonderful man who loves this country so much he wants to keep us free of evil muslim terrorists. I've known him for years. I love him. :D

And your assessment of me means a little less than nothing to me...:rolleyes:

yeah you love and you are blind to the fact that he is a poor escuse for human being. he has lied to the american people repeatly which there is proof to and he is probably a deserter. and if he want to keeps us safe why de he decide to stop going after bin laden and invade iraq which had NOTHING TO DO WITH (?!!

Dr. Paul.

:crazy::puke::runaway:

..." deceptive, evil, and pathetic"...As are all politicans today, name one that isn't AND prove their innocence as well.

McCain, and Edwards are not evil or pathetic.

Obama is not pathetic.

Huck and Giuliani are not evil.

Hillary is all of the above.

Romney is none of the above.

Fred Thompson is none of the above. He just can't win.

Poor racist liberals hate the good Dr. because he'd actually expect you to get a job and have personal responsability.

They hate ALL the GOP. They want big government to take care of them. :(

They hate ALL the GOP. They want big government to take care of them. :(

hey i like lincon

Of course you'd support throwing state legislatures in prison, starting wars of choice and arresting newspaper editors that dared to disagree with the dictator.

hey i like lincon

What's a "lincon"? :confused:

What's a "lincon"? :confused:

i meant Lincon you knowpresident during the civil war all round a pretty good guy

Oh you mean the guy who called for the deportation of every free black out of the USA and into either Liberia, Panama or Haiti?

Oh you mean the guy who called for the deportation of every free black out of the USA and into either Liberia, Panama or Haiti?

that was someone else

i meant Lincon you knowpresident during the civil war all round a pretty good guy

You mean Lincoln?

You mean Lincoln?

yeah him you know dude the statue

that was someone else

You mean there was another US president named Lincoln who called for the deportation of every free black out of the United States?

That this other president called for deportation three times, once for Liberia, once for Haiti and once for Panama?

You mean there was another US president named Lincoln who called for the deportation of every free black out of the United States? That this other president called for deportation three times, once for Liberia, once for Haiti and once for Panama?

You might as well be arguing with an onion. He just doesn't get it....

You mean there was another US president named Lincoln who called for the deportation of every free black out of the United States?

That this other president called for deportation three times, once for Liberia, once for Haiti and once for Panama?

Lincoln never did at least not to my knowledge. i know they were serval people during that time and later advocating things like that

It is pretty pathetic that the little baby had to be spoonfed information about his great hero that he should know everything about. A true example of the failure of the education system of the west.

It is pretty pathetic that the little baby had to be spoonfed information about his great hero that he should know everything about. A true example of the failure of the education system of the west.

He was a hero. Nobody said he was perfect, and it wasn't such a radical thought at that time to call for such a thing. Unfortunately, black people were second class citizens at that time and Lincoln didn't exist in some temporal nexus where he could see the eternal effects of his actions or comments. He could only judge things be the lessons he had been taught in life and the fruit he hoped the nation would reap one day. That he was wrong, in small ways and large, is not a so much a measurement of his lack of character, but of the absolute reality of the world and time he lived in.

A person, hero or not, has to be judged by the era in which they resided, not by yours. It's overwhelmingly obtuse to sit back from our comfortable perch in history and pass judgment on people in the past because they somehow did not live up to our contemporary standards.

~String

So throwing state legislatures and newspaper editors in prison is only wrong according to 'contemporary' standards?

His consistant argument that the blacks were to be considered inferior creatures not worthy of even existing within the borders of the USA is only wrong according to 'contemporary' standards?

His determination to force a war of choice is only wrong according to 'contemporary' standards?

So throwing state legislatures and newspaper editors in prison is only wrong according to 'contemporary' standards?

Yes. Freedom of the press was still a thing that people were working out. Does it apply in times of war? (no, not even in contemporary times). Should it? Yes and no... it depends on the net effect during that time of war.

His consistent argument that the blacks were to be considered inferior creatures not worthy of even existing within the borders of the USA is only wrong according to 'contemporary' standards?

Yes. The man lived in a world that was wholeheartedly different than ours today. For instance: In his time, SLAVERY was legal for the vast majority of his life, and the VAST MAJORITY of the white people who opposed slavery didn't do so because "black were equal to whites" (because, few people did) but because they just saw it as an inherent wrong. He wasn't perfect, and by Allah, I can't understand why that makes you itch so badly. Though the guy didn't originally set off to manumit black people from their slave owners, it certainly did become his determination once the war crescendoed.

Lincoln's entire ideological concepts were bound to bear the markings of popular notions during that time. Deporting blacks back to Africa wasn't seen by most people as just a "let's get rid of 'em" idea, it also encompassed the notion that they were taken unwillingly from a certain land, and that they should be send back where they came from. Moreover, he never supported the FORCED re-population all black people back to Africa, only former slaves and NOT free black people who, for example, lived in certain quantities up in the north. This wasn't so much about racial cleansing (though I'm sure that the notion of "being rid of troublesome former negro slaves who would be looking for revenge" did cross his mind) and was more about fixing a problem so that there would be no possibility of future conflict over the issue again, whilst also righting a historical wrong.

That said: we all need to be aware that none of us can know his inner thoughts on the subject, but we do know that this idea wasn't his and was quite CONTEMPORARY for the time that he lived in.

His determination to force a war of choice is only wrong according to 'contemporary' standards?

Well, Angry, if you had any grasp of history, you'd know that he never "forced" the war, it was southern states who said that if he were elected president, that they'd secede from the nation.

Moreover, wars to preserve a nation are contemporary today, and wars to expand a nation at the cost of another's were seen NOT ONLY as correct, but vital to a nation's existence back then (see: France, Germany, Spain, England, USA, Russia, Japan, Ottoman Empire).

~String

hey i like lincon

I like him, as well.

True story, Senator Hillary Clinton was invited to address a major gathering of The American Indian nation a few weeks ago in upper New York State ....
She spoke for almost an hour on her future plans for increasing every Native American's present standard of living, should she one day become the first female President.

She referred to her career as a New York Senator, how she had signed "YES," for every Indian issue that came to her desk for approval.
Although the Senator was vague on the details of her plan, she seemed most enthusiastic about her future ideas for helping her "red sisters and brothers".

At the conclusion of her speech, the Tribes presented the Senator with a plaque inscribed with her new Indian name: "Walking Eagle."
The proud Senator then departed in her motorcade, waving to the crowds.

A news reporter later inquired of the group of chiefs of how they had come to select the new name given to the Senator.

They explained that "Walking Eagle" is the name given to a bird so full of sh*t it can no longer fly.

Priceless... :D :D :D

I've never actually accepted money or benefits for my native american blood, but if Hitlery gets in office, then I just might be willing to register my 1/8 bloodline.