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She lied about dodging bullets from snipers in Bosnia and she was exposed,to make matters worst she said that was a blip,a mistatement.WHAAAAAAAAT???.Obama is going to shred her into peices.

As the deep voice end of a Mortal Kombat game

FINISH HER!!!!!!!!!

um, why do you get so excited. Obama didnt really win anything just by beating Hillary. You do know that? He can beat Hillary and still be but a footnote in history and all that will be left are these posts you make.

This shit is wonderful fodder for the Republicans. Just take down alll of this crap that they are throwing at each other and use it when election time comes around! :D

This shit is wonderful fodder for the Republicans. Just take down alll of this crap that they are throwing at each other and use it when election time comes around! :D

You best believe Mccain is stacking this in his weapon files just incase Hil is the nominee,old man Mccain is going to break out the grapefruit juice,a bagel and jipper his way to that September rally to re-expose that lie which will tear into Hilarys credibility.

However i doubt that this will happen,most of everyone is predicting Obama is going to win this long drawn out race.

most of everyone is predicting Obama is going to win this long drawn out race.

I wouldn't bet on that.

I certaintly would,Hilary NEEDS michigan and Florida and Indiana and the other states out of Penn are likely going to for Obama,his credibility is only increasing,his popularity has become worldwide,the media plays like this is a tough fight but the fact that many are calling Hilary to drop out of a race she is likely to lose in more than 1 area when they hit the superdelegates,this lie will only damage her credibility with superdelegates who will say,Oh no! this was a bogus lie!!!!!.

Obama is going to pounce all over her since his attacks are usually much more damaging than Clinton or Mccains.

Time will tell.:shrug:

Obama is going to pounce all over her since his attacks are usually much more damaging than Clinton or Mccains.

Its not McCain, its the machine. A very clever, robust machine.

This is just further proof Hillary will say and do anything to get the presidency...no morals...no ethics. It is very apparent she believes the electorate are a bunch of mushrooms...feed the feces and reap the rewards!
We will see if her theory of the electorate rings true. I pray not!

Its not McCain, its the machine. A very clever, robust machine.

:rolleyes:That old machine was active during the cretacious period.Lol.What machine are you talking about.?

How does one misspeak about arriving in Bosnia amid fluries of sniper bullets? If not out right dishonesty, then the speaker has obviously disassociated herself with reality and in each case, it is a scary thought that person could become president. A scary thought to have a president with the finger on the nuclear button not being able to distinguish between a clear day absent of gun fire from an imaginary one of dodging imaginary bullets from snipers. Frankly, I am not comfortable with a politician of such dishonesty or one who is clearlly disassociated from reality occupying the presidency of the United States.

Voldermoort:
That old machine was active during the cretacious period.Lol.What machine are you talking about.?

Are you kidding?

I think that Republicans are just smarter than Democrats. You can extrapolate that to mean Conservatives are much smarter than liberals. And i have to say that it is an accurate statement. I am somewhere in the middle- LOL.

I wouldn't bet on that.

Wait a minute, Obama is leading the Popular vote by 700,000! He's won twice as many states as Hillary, and he has a comfortable pledged delegate lead. Can you please share with us what set of facts you used to come to this baseless conclusion?

How does one misspeak about arriving in Bosnia amid fluries of sniper bullets? If not out right dishonesty, then the speaker has obviously disassociated herself with reality and in each case, it is a scary thought that person could become president.

QFT

Voldermoort:


Are you kidding?

I think that Republicans are just smarter than Democrats. You can extrapolate that to mean Conservatives are much smarter than liberals. And i have to say that it is an accurate statement. I am somewhere in the middle- LOL.

Republicans smarter than Democrats??? Are you kidding me?? First off smart is intelligence,Intelligence is something we all have regardless of what form. However many of those who go by Republican are the most misinformed with how shit is operated today,the mentality so old and ancient.They preach the same thing,extreme conservatism prevents anyone from learning.The republicans are likely the most critical failing to realize the criticisms have nothing to do with a candidates ability to lead the country,yet because of there selfish inconsiderate minds unwilling to learn,sit or even listen they rather elect the fool,and miss out on the ability to have great results from the say ""non religious president""

John, Mad and others of similar Ilk,
There is an old Latin saying: Res publica es magis ludo!
It means, Republicans are more deluded!
Don't confuse delusion with intelligence.

John, Mad and others of similar Ilk,
There is an old Latin saying: Res publica es magis ludo!
It means, Republicans are more deluded!
Don't confuse delusion with intelligence.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

great results from the say ""non religious president"""

That sociopath,Hillary is the closest to an atheist in this race.I doubt you'll be voting for her.

All of the candies have religious affiliation no matter how skewed it might be. Many people think Obama is their messiah for pete's sake. I have to wonder if he's starting to believe it himself.

Much of US politics is about appealing to religious groups. Some other countries leaders who grow tired of religious compromise simply outlaw that which they don't agree with, try and push the factions out and finally kill everyone who doesn't obey.
Is that the kind of non-religious/monotheist leader you want?
Our entire domestic success is built on freedom of religion (or freedom to lack it).
It's only when we try and impose this standard elsewhere in the world is when we get into trouble.
Someone once said "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".

How does one misspeak about arriving in Bosnia amid fluries of sniper bullets? If not out right dishonesty, then the speaker has obviously disassociated herself with reality and in each case, it is a scary thought that person could become president. A scary thought to have a president with the finger on the nuclear button not being able to distinguish between a clear day absent of gun fire from an imaginary one of dodging imaginary bullets from snipers. Frankly, I am not comfortable with a politician of such dishonesty or one who is clearlly disassociated from reality occupying the presidency of the United States.

I agree, you wouldn't have a vague memory about being under fire, that's not a misspeak, it's downright delusional.

What's even more amusing, to me, is how surprised some people seem to be about this. I mean, come on folks. Clinton has been doing this for years. It's just that nobody really seemed to care — until now...

Peter Paul, who?

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She lied about dodging bullets from snipers in Bosnia and she was exposed,to make matters worst she said that was a blip,a mistatement.WHAAAAAAAAT???.Obama is going to shred her into peices.

As the deep voice end of a Mortal Kombat game

FINISH HER!!!!!!!!!

Good. I hope he wins!

Lord Voldemort...your utter hate of Hillary and utter favorotism of Obama has of course nothing to do with the fact that you are black and that Obama is black...nothing at all

Politicians lie. So what else is new?

Lord Voldemort...your utter hate of Hillary and utter favorotism of Obama has of course nothing to do with the fact that you are black and that Obama is black...nothing at all

uhoh...:eek:

Mod note: Name of thread edited from the preposterously long, "OOooOOooOO Hilary Liiiiiiiedd!!!!! Obama Has Got Her!" to "Hillary Lied, Obama Has Got Her!"

I think that Republicans are just smarter than Democrats Con artists, embezzlers, grifters and pickpockets and frauds and cheats in general, always think they're smarter than their victims. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong - their victims had other things on their minds.

The current crop of Republicans in government may be the smartest guys in that government, but they can't govern for shit. They've been total fuckups. Either they don't know what they're doing, or they're doing something other than attempting to govern.

The same question we've been asking for seven years and counting: are they lying, or are they stupid ?

Clinton has been doing this for years. It's just that nobody really seemed to care — until now... Somebody cared enough to impeach the President, bringing the whole government to a halt for the second time in three years,

over his apparent hidden reservation that a blow job was not really "sex".

Which partly explains why the Clintons have the kind of invulnerability they do in the Dem core - their accusers have been proven to have so little credibility or sense of proportion that the legitimate accusations get thrown out with the rest.

Which Obama has apparently recognized, acting accordingly.

What's even more amusing, to me, is how surprised some people seem to be about this. I mean, come on folks. Clinton has been doing this for years. It's just that nobody really seemed to care — until now...

This is true,however she is running for Commander in Chief,those lies should of stopped at the announcement of her run for President.!

Lord Voldemort...your utter hate of Hillary and utter favorotism of Obama has of course nothing to do with the fact that you are black and that Obama is black...nothing at all

Can you prove this??? Do you know me?? Your making an assumption which is low form of knowledge being that you made a statement you can never prove,learn from this before you get all ignant with the redneck mentality generalizing all blacks supporting Obama do itbecause he is black.Perhaps if you payed attention more to my post you would of read when i first posted on this board i supported Hilary and i always stated voting for someone because of Race or Gender is absurd.You owe me an apology boy.:rolleyes:

What's even more amusing, to me, is how surprised some people seem to be about this. I mean, come on folks. Clinton has been doing this for years. It's just that nobody really seemed to care — until now...
Exactly. The Clinton's are used to being able to say anything they want knowing the left wing media will never call them on it. Now, all of the sudden, the Clintons aren't the media's darling.

They are burnt out by too many Clinton scandals that go nowhere. Lying makes me not want to vote for her, but Bush lied too, about matters of war, and we still let him take office. It's not necessarily an impediment for her.

Exactly. The Clinton's are used to being able to say anything they want knowing the left wing media will never call them on it. Now, all of the sudden, the Clintons aren't the media's darling.

All of a sudden? What about the all Monica, all-the-time era?

Can you prove this??? Do you know me?? Your making an assumption which is low form of knowledge being that you made a statement you can never prove,learn from this before you get all ignant with the redneck mentality generalizing all blacks supporting Obama do itbecause he is black.Perhaps if you payed attention more to my post you would of read when i first posted on this board i supported Hilary and i always stated voting for someone because of Race or Gender is absurd.You owe me an apology boy.:rolleyes:

come on now, its pretty obvious. but thats ok. obama is the best thing to happen to the republicans. it's like a dream come true. which is why i said the democrats are stupid. liberals are stupid...well theyre dumber thats for sure.

look at the 2000 election. how in the world did they lose that? by being stupid, 2004 STUPID. and this does not even get into the fools who voted for Ralph Nader. That is the definition of stupidity. And now what? at least four more years of the same.:shrug:

i think the main things the republicans wanted to do was eliminate Hillary.

The Clinton's are used to being able to say anything they want knowing the left wing media will never call them on it. Offhand, I'd say I've run into that particular assertion - that the media never calls the Clintons on anything - about as often as any other single assertion in the media since 1992.

The media never seem to get tired of accusing themselves of going easy on the Clintons.

About the only actual example of slack cut for a Clinton that I can recall off hand is the recent coverage of Hillary's spats with Obama.

Be interesting to see some more of the Clinton-aimed going easy style that we have become accustomed to, applied to McCain and his divorces, daughters, decisions, deteriorating faculties, etc.

look at the 2000 election. how in the world did they lose that? by being stupid, 2004 STUPID. Democratic stupidity, definition: failing to overcome concerted media opposition and irresponsibility, and prevent Republicans from voting for criminality and fuckup and abject failure at even the simplest tasks of government.

The best thing for McCain to do is nothing. We are about to elect the guy who lost to George Bush. Think about it.

I just think it's not a big deal. She may have remembered it wrongly or if not and she's trying to puff up her CV - well, big surprise - they all do it.

Democratic stupidity, definition: failing to overcome concerted media opposition and irresponsibility, and prevent Republicans from criminality and fuckup and abject failure at even the simplest tasks of government.

In 2000 Gore chose Lieberman as VP, do you even realize how stupid that decision was? And ralph nader was a ringer. every time someone said 'im voting green, vote for nader' i wanted to tell them - YOU ARE STUPID TOO. PERIOD.

Exactly. The Clinton's are used to being able to say anything they want knowing the left wing media will never call them on it. Now, all of the sudden, the Clintons aren't the media's darling.

left wing media since when?

In 2000 Gore chose Lieberman as VP, do you even realize how stupid that decision was? And ralph nader was a ringer. every time someone said 'im voting green, vote for nader' i wanted to tell them - YOU ARE STUPID TOO. PERIOD. Not as stupid as the people who voted for the other guys.

How "intelligent" was W's choice of Cheney, for VP ?

Can you prove this??? Do you know me?? Your making an assumption which is low form of knowledge being that you made a statement you can never prove,learn from this before you get all ignant with the redneck mentality generalizing all blacks supporting Obama do itbecause he is black.Perhaps if you payed attention more to my post you would of read when i first posted on this board i supported Hilary and i always stated voting for someone because of Race or Gender is absurd.You owe me an apology boy.:rolleyes:

you posted a picture of yourself, duh. And no it is not absurd. I see proof of my assumption in your favoritism.

What a silly lie to tell! I thought Hilary was supposed to be the experienced one who would not make stupid mistakes.

LV can i point out that her story is quite plausable. The human memory is almost compleatly usless, especially when stressed and thats why eye witness acounts are the lowest form of evidence in a court.

If the millatry guys and Secret service kept telling her how dangiours the situation was and constantly reforcing that point that she COULD be shot as well as the stress of her daughter being there and the media reports and training incase she WAS shot at and all the rest.

Its quite plausable that she constructed a false memory about the incident.

Very little about what you "rember" ever happened, thoughts and feelings and revisions about memory are happerning all the time which all change that memory. Our mind isnt like a video camera but more like a film editor with ENDLESS footage from MILLONS of movies, who cuts it all up into single shots throws on the floor and then tries to reagarange them into there proper sequence in poor lighting

LV can i point out that her story is quite plausable. The human memory is almost compleatly usless, especially when stressed and thats why eye witness acounts are the lowest form of evidence in a court.

If the millatry guys and Secret service kept telling her how dangiours the situation was and constantly reforcing that point that she COULD be shot as well as the stress of her daughter being there and the media reports and training incase she WAS shot at and all the rest.

Its quite plausable that she constructed a false memory about the incident.

Very little about what you "rember" ever happened, thoughts and feelings and revisions about memory are happerning all the time which all change that memory. Our mind isnt like a video camera but more like a film editor with ENDLESS footage from MILLONS of movies, who cuts it all up into single shots throws on the floor and then tries to reagarange them into there proper sequence in poor lighting

Well then she has no business being commander and cheif if she can't tell the difference between taking on fire or not taking on fire.

Did you even READ what i wrote

have you ever got 5 people together who all witnessed a stressful event at the same time and tried to reconstruct there versions AFTER the fact?

This has nothing to do with being able to tell the difference or react AT the time and EVERYTHING to do with how the mind works YEARS latter

I agree, it is very disconcerning to have a chief executive with his/her finger on the nuclear button constructing false memories based on the level of stress he/she is experiencing at the moment. And you think the shrub is bad?

LV can i point out that her story is quite plausable. The human memory is almost compleatly usless, especially when stressed and thats why eye witness acounts are the lowest form of evidence in a court.

If the millatry guys and Secret service kept telling her how dangiours the situation was and constantly reforcing that point that she COULD be shot as well as the stress of her daughter being there and the media reports and training incase she WAS shot at and all the rest.

Its quite plausable that she constructed a false memory about the incident.

Very little about what you "rember" ever happened, thoughts and feelings and revisions about memory are happerning all the time which all change that memory. Our mind isnt like a video camera but more like a film editor with ENDLESS footage from MILLONS of movies, who cuts it all up into single shots throws on the floor and then tries to reagarange them into there proper sequence in poor lighting

Possibly, but that's also what liers do.

Spider i agree and it comes down to how do you sperate those who are DELIBRATLY lying from those who are rembering the wrong thing like we all do? who knows but i would SUGGEST that someone who lies a) would be doing in such a way that evidence OF them lying is hard to get and b) does it for personal gain

Yes it could be said she was doing it for personal gain but if she was she would have to be INSANE because she HAD to know that footage like this was avilable. In this i think she probably DIDNT lie but if you want a definitive answer ask a psycologist

Spider i agree and it comes down to how do you sperate those who are DELIBRATLY lying from those who are rembering the wrong thing like we all do? who knows but i would SUGGEST that someone who lies a) would be doing in such a way that evidence OF them lying is hard to get and b) does it for personal gain

Yes it could be said she was doing it for personal gain but if she was she would have to be INSANE because she HAD to know that footage like this was avilable. In this i think she probably DIDNT lie but if you want a definitive answer ask a psycologist

It does not make a difference if she was deliberately lying or constructing false memories. Given the power of the position, both possibilities disqualify her from the position of president of the United States.

well then i guess we are NEVER going to have a president. Less than 10% of ANYONES memories ever happened so i guess that rules out ANY human and as AI isnt advanced enough yet to run a country i guess you should just abolish the office all together

well then i guess we are NEVER going to have a president. Less than 10% of ANYONES memories ever happened so i guess that rules out ANY human and as AI isnt advanced enough yet to run a country i guess you should just abolish the office all together

Where is the proof Asguard? I find it difficult to believe your numbers. I guarentee you, if I were in a war zone, I would remember it.

Studies question reliability of memory

Increasing awareness for increasing morality -- Jef Allbright's Web Files, 2000-2007

Frightening new evidence of the brain's susceptibility to suggestion was presented on Sunday to the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Psychologists described recent experiments in which they implanted false memories, altered perceptions through subliminal messages, and demonstrated the intense emotional distress of people who believed they had been abducted by aliens.

The researchers said their work showed that courts, police and other agencies needed to be extremely wary of relying solely on the memory of witnesses - for example in sex abuse cases - because even the most intense memories could be false.

Elizabeth Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, described several studies in which false memories were implanted through suggestive questioning. For example, working with Russian colleagues, she interviewed 80 volunteers in Moscow about television coverage of Chechen bomb attacks in the city three years ago.

During a preliminary interview Prof Loftus planted the false idea that a wounded animal had featured in the coverage. When she asked the subjects in a second interview six months later: "Can you remember the wounded animal that you mentioned last time?", 10 of them had such memories, such as seeing a cat lying bleeding in the dust after an explosion.

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Prof McNally said his experiment should sound a warning to some psychotherapists who believed "recovered memories" of past traumas such as childhood sex abuse are genuine just because they induce intense emotion.

"The intensity of emotional reaction associated with a memory cannot confirm the authenticity of the memory," he said.

Viewed 26/03/08 at 13:09 (http://www.jefallbright.net/node/1119)


This was the first link when i typed "Reliability of memory" into google

Asguard, I agree human memory is faliable...God knows my memory is certianly falliable. And the knowledge that the human mind is sensitive to suggestion is certianly not new. However, where do you get the figure that less that 10 percent of an individuals memory consists of real memories, accurate and true?
If your statement is true, what does that say about our educational systems. Individuals only accurately remember less than ten percent of what they learn? The other 90 percent of what they think they learn is jibberish and they never really learned it? Is that what you are saying?
I am sorry Asguard, I just cannot believe that one. If that were so we would still be in the jungle...perhaps extinct by now.

Somebody cared enough to impeach the President, bringing the whole government to a halt for the second time in three years,

over his apparent hidden reservation that a blow job was not really "sex".

Which partly explains why the Clintons have the kind of invulnerability they do in the Dem core - their accusers have been proven to have so little credibility or sense of proportion that the legitimate accusations get thrown out with the rest.

Which Obama has apparently recognized, acting accordingly.

I don't want to rehash the entire sordid impeachment: This is Hillary we're talking about here. My point was she has lied in public like this numerous times, both when she was First Lady and now. Examples of this aren't hard to find.

Heck, the entire 35 years of experience claim, which is ridiculous on its face, still hasn't really been challenged the Media.

i dont know if its events or all knowlage. That much i cant answer with a simple google search, i will spend a couple of days going through some psycology books to see if i can give you an answer IF i have time. I will say this there is a difference between trying to rember something you have only seen once (for instance the man who robbed the bank you were in) and something you deal with on an everyday basis in an educational sence(like 1+1=2). We arnt talking about reinforced knowlage but the remberance of events and thats VERY unreliable no matter WHO you are. I will concede that it may not be EXACTLY 10% (its a number i "rembered" from one class i had on the subject) but its very shaky. Even at uni they teach us that you forget a good percentage of what you learn UNLESS you reinforce that knowlage by constant study and revision

EDIT to add: Have you ever played the game memory?
either the card version or where a set of items is shown to you and you have to rember whats taken away?
THATS difficult for most people without adding a 20 year (or whatever) gap to it and reinforcing OTHER items constantly

i dont know if its events or all knowlage. That much i cant answer with a simple google search, i will spend a couple of days going through some psycology books to see if i can give you an answer IF i have time. I will say this there is a difference between trying to rember something you have only seen once (for instance the man who robbed the bank you were in) and something you deal with on an everyday basis in an educational sence(like 1+1=2). We arnt talking about reinforced knowlage but the remberance of events and thats VERY unreliable no matter WHO you are. I will concede that it may not be EXACTLY 10% (its a number i "rembered" from one class i had on the subject) but its very shaky. Even at uni they teach us that you forget a good percentage of what you learn UNLESS you reinforce that knowlage by constant study and revision

EDIT to add: Have you ever played the game memory?
either the card version or where a set of items is shown to you and you have to rember whats taken away?
THATS difficult for most people without adding a 20 year (or whatever) gap to it and reinforcing OTHER items constantly

24 spelling and grammatical errors, in a 159 word reply, and I am suppose to take you seriously, and you contention that a human only remembers 10% of observations accurately?

With this level of accuracy on you part, I have to doubt your accuracy of understanding of any thing you observe or read.

The Bosnia issue is not the only issue that she has lied about. She also lied about NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) which is very unpopular now amoungst her consituents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hBvoBRWebI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW4XPRA2jIk

*YAWN*

boring

Lest we also forget her memory issues on driver licenses for illegal imigrants.

First she is for it, then against it.

This latest lie is quite bizarre. I just don't get Hillary. Is she so full of herself that she thinks she can make things up as she goes? Her judgement is obviously just not there. She's either an outright liar or is delusional.

I'm not American but, if I was ,up until this lie I would have voted for her over McCain. Now there's no way. The lady is just too wierd and crazy to be president.

I was in the military and was around live fire a couple times and there is no mistake...no fuzziness. The fear burns into your psyche. She just outright lied and it shows she will say and do anything.

LV can i point out that her story is quite plausable. The human memory is almost compleatly usless, especially when stressed and thats why eye witness acounts are the lowest form of evidence in a court.

If the millatry guys and Secret service kept telling her how dangiours the situation was and constantly reforcing that point that she COULD be shot as well as the stress of her daughter being there and the media reports and training incase she WAS shot at and all the rest.

Its quite plausable that she constructed a false memory about the incident.



100% BALONEY. One may be mistaken about the colour of your dog as a kid..NOT about whether or not you were being shot at. It's sad that folks are so brainwashed to make excuses up for a blatant liar.

Joe that post wasnt aimed at you BTW it was aimed at the post above yours. Im not arguing that she is a good or bad candiate on the whole or even wether she is a lier on the whole. My point had to do with memory and stress and this issue SPECIFICALLY. I dont think this is a good or fair area to atack her because stress makes memory faulty to start with.

I will give a personal example of WHY i am defending this

I witnessed a fatal motorcycle MVA and the way i rember it was the cyclist hit the pole, then there was a ripping sound and then his spine came out of his body. However when i spoke with the counciler from the TAC i begain to question all of it except for the injuries and i still to this day cant tell you if the sound i herd was actually the bang as he hit the poll or something unrelated. When i go further back into the incident i cant be sure AT ALL of the sequence of events, did he fall before he hit the tram lines? did he Reve the engine BEFORE or after that? I couldnt tell and that was seconds after the acident. Time is COMPLEATLY screwed up. So I know for a fact how unreliable stress makes memory and if she had alot of advisers telling her that she was going to be shot at then she would have been under alot of stress so i dont think her faulty memory is reason to say she SHOULDNT be president

If there are other issues fair enough though

It didn't seem as though she was under stress walking with her daughter out of the plane.

I think it's understandable if McCain forgets or "mispeaks" about exactly when he was dodging under bullets because he probably did experience that several times during the war. If she did, at a certain point in her life, experience that and she just recalled the wrong event, then that would be excusable but that doesn't seem to be the case.

And another thing. If she was under sooo much stress and worried for her life, why the hell would she bring her daughter?!! IMO, that's even worse than having a lieing president -- one with bad judgement , or one that doesn't care about her kids.

i do have to agree with you there. If the army and the SS were so concerned about the situation why did she bring her daughter there wether she was shot at or not

Of course JFK's kids wernt safe driving down the street with him in the middle of the US so maybe she felt there were LESS snipers and guns in general in bosnia than in the US

That's a stretch. The streets of US was & is not exactly a war zone. She lied. She's desperate & unscrupulous and would do anything for power (not like ALL politicians). She stayed married to a lieing cheating husband to get to this point.

From: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/25/2198014.htm
The newly-aired footage from the March 1996 trip, on which Senator Clinton was joined by her daughter Chelsea, singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, contradicted her own claims to have scurried across the tarmac under gunfire.

Reruns of TV reports showed Senator Clinton's party being greeted by smiling officials on the tarmac at Tuzla airbase as it disembarked from a US military plane, and listening as an eight-year-old Bosnian girl read out a poem.

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base," Senator Clinton said last week.

What is a lie? Increasingly I have come to believe that we all believe whatever we want to believe. If we unconsciously conned ourselves and then tell our version of the truth, are we lying?

That is not the same as remembering a crime scene incorrectly. At the time, Hilary seemed to know that there were no snipers active. Maybe she had been warned about what the plan would be if there was a threat of snipers. Maybe she exaggerated the story a little more every time she told it in order to make it a better story, and then could only remember the how she told the story and could no longer remember the truth. Would that be lying?

Unconsciously changing your own version of reality for unconscious (perhaps selfish) reasons is neither misremembering nor lying. It's something else.

Are people in denial, lying? If your husband is sexually abusing your daughter and you unconsciously refuse to know what happened and tell others your version of the truth, that your husband did not abuse your daughter, would you be lying?

nirakar that brings up another thing, i have herd stories of people who dont suffer dementia who lose there partner but cant face it. So they pretend to themselves that they are away on buisness or whatever because its to painful to face

What kind of a lie is that? What is the big deal anyway. For one the she knew that there were people with here to dispute any accounts she may lie about. It was a war zone anyway.

And lying? They all lie, look at them campaigning and kissing middle class voters asses and what a joke that is...'im gonna do this, im gonna do that' BULLSHIT.

you posted a picture of yourself, duh. And no it is not absurd. I see proof of my assumption in your favoritism.

Um no stop! there is no justification for such foolish actions so stop trying to get around it.To use Obama being black being the only reason someone black is voting for him is an absurd assumption which you have no proof,just a biased other sided opinion that causes you to spew assumptions which you could never prove.Assumptions are low forms of knowledge,whether you like it or not,you made an assumption,one that was far from truth being that i was a Hilary supporter just 2 months ago,also being that i spoke that a vote for someone because of gender or race is beyond foolish.Take a seat.

Hillary was just following Taqiyya.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79114

Obviously a closet Muslim. :eek:

And all this time they thought it was Obama

Um no stop! there is no justification for such foolish actions ......i spoke that a vote for someone because of gender or race is beyond foolish.Take a seat.

yea well I see racism here, k...I am white I got right too.

yea well I see racism here, k...I am white I got right too.
I dont care what you think you see,what you will NOT do is harass me with your pathethic assumptions.Understood? Take a seat

I dont care what you think you see,what you will NOT do is harass me with your pathethic assumptions.Understood? Take a seat

dude chill. Assumption is an assumption. Mine was proven wrong since you stated that you dont prefer Obama because he is black. South Caroliners would probably say the same thing as well.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7268/gihillaryvc7.jpg (http://oblogatoryanecdotes.com)


This is my own creation.

lol, bullets and questions.

I'd tell you even more about how much I like it but I'm under heavy sniper fire atm.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3385/gihillarynz9.jpg (http://oblogatoryanecdotes.com)

This is my own creation.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:D

I saw GI Hillary on news this evening. It was interesting to hear her rage against the "special interests". This is quite a contrast from earlier in the campaign when she was defending special interests and refused to stop taking money from them. This is just another in a long series of flip flops for Hillary and all within months of each other. So it appears her memory is not only bad about being in combat, but also of positions she took just days and months previously.