Who knows about the Roswell crash. This article (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/08/27/01722.html) claims that Werner Von Braun actually handled the materials from the Roswell crash site and they seemed something like skin except that the materials were very strong and aluminum covered.

Now consider the fact that there are already bacteria that concentrate iron and manganese. Maybe there are bacteria that concentrate other pure elements.

A substance like that that appears to be "like skin" might be grown on a scaffold, or form, like the experiments with replacement organs that are going on right now. Actual human skin is being grown by the square foot, also. So, if an organism can be engineered into growing very specific substances, like the chitinous shell of an insect, out of metals and silicon, then it can produce arbitrarily large pieces of material that can be used for a spacecraft hull. Maybe instead of going through all of the chemical process and heating processes to manufacture a metallic ceramic material, it would be better to build it molecule by molecule this way, using bacteria or other living material, maybe modified animal or vegetable cells. A silicon-based cellulose is an idea, and so is incorporating a thin layer of metal to deflect ultraviolet.

If the manufacturing matrix is an actual skin, then it will be dependent on support from the culture medium and can't get loose like bacteria can.

Maybe this isn't even a very original idea, but it's new to me. It seems like it could work out to be quite cheap and could work with lunar materials.

Uh, fuck whoever moved this. The actual content is about an engineering concept, so pull your head out of your ass and actually READ the goddam post before moving it.

What's a "lunar material"?

I hate it when that happens!!

What's a "lunar material"?

Any material mined from the moon, but in this instance I would favor manufacture from your basic basaltic rock. Iron, titanium, aluminum, silicon, and oxygen are candidates for the manufacture of ceramic or ceramic-like "grown" materials. Maybe they can be printed onto a substrate like paper, plastic film, or aluminum foil, something that is already being done with some "smart" materials. Use an arrangement like an inkjet printer.

I could see many uses for this. For example, the development ofgeneration ships. Or even better, eternal life(grow a new heart, repair brain damage, make a new pair of lungs, grow new skin, an end to cancer[ Cut out the effected areas and grow replacements], and a huge array of other things. This includes artificial wombs and brand new limbs.

They've been talking about "printing" body tissues for about five years now.

I would like to see something like this for repair of auto bodies and chassis.

The actual content is about an engineering concept,

Suppose I started a thread called ``Idea for an invisibility ray''?

Which forum should I post in?

Suppose I started a thread called ``Idea for an invisibility ray''?

Which forum should I post in?

You can't - there isn't a dedicated woowoo thread :D

Suppose I started a thread called ``Idea for an invisibility ray''?

Which forum should I post in?

In the "I'm putting a bucket over your head, you toothless moron" forum.

Suppose I started a thread called ``Idea for an invisibility ray''?

Which forum should I post in?
Physics & Math. You could always stick it in one of those 'M-Theory' threads and claim it was working in the 11th dimension or something. ;)

What's a "lunar material"?

I don't think that's enough justification to shift it here. He is asking for possible ways such a substance could be made, not presenting arguments about UFOs etc. That question could be responded to by people knowledgable in physics, chemisty etc., without meaning they were supporting beliefs they do not have. A perfectly scientific conversation.

Peachy, but I moved nothing.

Peachy, but I moved nothing.

No, but you handed out an infraction for behavior that was no worse than theirs.

Very simple reason it's here. Conspiracy!

If you wanted to discuss Exobiology then you shouldn't of used Roswell as the basis of your 'Theory'. You are welcome to restart your discussion in one of the other forums but I'd suggest to stay away from adding anything about Area 51, Roswell, Little Grey men or UFO's as they tend to point to a work of fiction and obviously undermine the 'Seriousness' of your thread.

Very simple reason it's here. Conspiracy!

If you wanted to discuss Exobiology then you shouldn't of used Roswell as the basis of your 'Theory'. You are welcome to restart your discussion in one of the other forums but I'd suggest to stay away from adding anything about Area 51, Roswell, Little Grey men or UFO's as they tend to point to a work of fiction and obviously undermine the 'Seriousness' of your thread.

Shove it.

What kind of moderator hands out infractions to just one side of an argument like this, when the other side is being just as abusive? What is Avatar, about 16?

Only one side of the argument is being overly insulting and directly offensive. He actually forgot a post -you should get an infraction for post #2 as well.

15, actually. Keep up the bucketing and shoving. Cheers!

Avatar, you decided to simply start a pissing contest here. I do think that you are abusing your privileges as moderator here.

Do you know how many times we have people complain about Moderators here, a lot of times but the real kicker is the number of people that complain. They always seem to be the same few with the same rhetorical complaints, in fact it's like their complaints have been delegated so rigorously that they've actually manifested a delusional world in which on they live.

Avatar was right to give you an infraction, now complaining about it is just going to upset yourself further and get you in deeper in regards to infractions. You should just take the ones you've got with a pinch of salt and not whine about it, you'll then find yourself not so 'Persecuted' as you might put it.

As for your thread subject, you have a 'Theoretical idea' without any notable foundations (or at least referenced ones), If you use Roswell as a reference well you end up here, simple as.

I'm not going to argue on this point any longer however since after all you are now causing the hijacking of your own thread and it's disintegration. It's up to you to make the discussion work and not fall into that usual whirlpool of name calling and 'woowoo' rhetoric.

I didn't cause the hijacking of the thread, Stryder. There was no reason for a pair of nit-nats to descend on this thread with the "woo-woo" insulting crap. There was also no reason for Avatar to defend them from just retaliation without giving them an infraction for the "woo-woo". There was no reason for Avatar to taunt me. If your group wanted to appear to have the maturity even of a bright teenager, you could have done so, I think.

There is a good reason why you get so many complaints about the moderators here.

Don't take their woowoo insults personally, why do you think people make such comments? It's very simple they see if the OP gets agitated or not. Looking at your posting history, you get Agitated very quickly which obviously leads to you being singled out.

All I can suggest is to ignore them, don't bite back at their flames or comments as all you do is stoke the fire and since for the majority of the time that fire is directed at you, you'll be the only one that gets burnt.

Now lets get back on topic, you want to suggest growth of 'exobiological' materials, do you mean something similar to nanotube's (Crystallised constructs etc) or something that is more biological in form?

That would be about correct if for the fact that in this thread nobody called MetaKron a woowoo.
Check it, you'll see. The only place where this worrd appears is in response to the hypothetical 'invisibility ray' mentioned by someone other.

Stryder, I am open to all possibilities for forming a material atom by atom, molecule by molecule, whatever. If it is more biological in form there is the possibility of having the constructors build themselves from local materials. With the technology and other considerations that we have today, it's safer and more practical to do this stuff on the moon.

I believe that with the technologies that we already have, we might already be close to being able to create a synthetic coral (not actually an original idea there) that can build a smooth silicon-based skin that can then be modified, treated, or have other materials grown on to it. I think that programmable single-celled life isn't all that far away.

If you wanted to discuss Exobiology then you shouldn't of used Roswell as the basis of your 'Theory'. You are welcome to restart your discussion in one of the other forums but I'd suggest to stay away from adding anything about Area 51, Roswell, Little Grey men or UFO's as they tend to point to a work of fiction and obviously undermine the 'Seriousness' of your thread.

I don't see why people can't have ideas based on fantasy that actually can pan out into legitimate discussions.

The question Metakron posed was about neither Roswell nor exobiology. It was a question about the possibility of using an engineered bacteria to construct durable building materials. A self-regenerating structure.

Is this idea really so 'pseudo' as all that?

You do realize that bacteria are presently producing plastic?

And that stromatolites are some of the earliest evidences of life on this planet?


Now. I can't really defend the rant Metakron went into, but I do think his original idea is a sound one.

That would be about correct if for the fact that in this thread nobody called MetaKron a woowoo.
Check it, you'll see. The only place where this worrd appears is in response to the hypothetical 'invisibility ray' mentioned by someone other.

And I never called anyone a toothless moron, either, but that didn't stop you from going off.

I like to be honest about where I get my ideas. I read that article and got the idea, and I'm probably not the first one to get the idea, either.

Skin can be grown artificially, so leather can be grown artificially. A modified or absolutely brand new organelle can be made into the cells that releases a silicone compound at some point in the growth cycle. Diatoms already build silicon skeletons. The key to material strength is in microstructures and nanostructures that link together with strong chemical bonds. These can be next to impossible to produce with more conventional processes, which is why layered strands of graphite are so much stronger per pound than steel, whose microstructures are crushed during processing.

I'll tell you what Meta, I'll get rid of that 'Toothless moron' infraction if it chills you out.

In fact what I'm going to do is Close this thread and start you up a clean one, it's up to you how your handle people in regards to it, but remember we are watching.

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