I'm not trying to be too one-issue these days, but as it stands I have time for exactly one when one counts in all my fooling-around time.

Young, British Muslims 'getting more radical'
By Graeme Wilson, Political Correspondent
2:02am GMT 30/01/2007

A bleak picture of a generation of young British Muslims radicalised by anti-Western views and misplaced multicultural policies is shown in a survey published today.

The study found disturbing evidence of young Muslims adopting more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues than their parents or grandparents.

The study found disturbing evidence of young Muslims adopting more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues
Forty per cent of Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in Britain, a legal system based on the teachings of the Koran. The figure among over-55s, in contrast, was only 17 per cent.

I was hoping that the poll, with only 1000 respondants, would be skewed or dubious. Yet there it is again: that 4-in-10 peg for the support of sharia, just like before. They say retesting is the best way to support a premise. The think-tank is a right-wing one, so one might hope for skew on that basis.

But, given the clear prevalence of the same attitudes in the Middle East, I'm not too hopeful.

In some countries, people found guilty under sharia law face penalties such as beheading, stoning, the severing of a hand or being lashed.

The study, by the Right-wing think-tank Policy Exchange, also found a significant minority who expressed backing for Islamic terrorism.

One in eight young Muslims said they admired groups such as al-Qa'eda that "are prepared to fight the West".

Turning to issues of faith, 36 per cent of the young people questioned said they believed that a Muslim who converts to another religion should be "punished by death." Among the over 55s, the figure is only 19 per cent.

It's difficult to say what's more disgusting or infuriating: that 1 in 3 young muslims today seems to think that killing apostates is ok or that 1 in 5 of the old crowd thinks so. Oh, heck: it's only 20%. That's nothing! Merely hundreds of thousands of people. No big deal. And where are such apostates supposed to be killed? Let's not forget we're talking about a survey in Britain here.

Three out of four young Muslims would prefer Muslim women to "choose to wear the veil or hijab," compared to only a quarter of over-55s.

Support was also strong for Islamic schools, according to the Populus survey of 1,000 people commissioned by Policy Exchange.

Forty per cent of younger Muslims said they would want their children to attend an Islamic school, compared to only 20 per cent of over-55s.

Britain's foreign policies were a key issue among the Muslim population as a whole, with 58 per cent arguing that many of the world's problems are "a result of arrogant Western attitudes". However, knowledge of foreign affairs was sketchy, with only one in five knowing that Mahmoud Abbas was the Palestinian president.[/quote]

Ignorance and hatred, as some people like to remind me, do appear to go hand in hand.

The findings emerged as David Cameron, the Conservative leader, criticised the Government for trying to "bully" immigrant communities into feeling British by telling them to run up the Union flag in their gardens or spy on their children.

But in a speech today, Mr Cameron will warn the Muslim community that it cannot use the "screen of cultural sensitivity" to deny women their rights.

The Policy Exchange report, Living Together Apart: British Muslims and the Paradox of Multiculturalism — says there is strong evidence of a "growing religiosity" among young Muslims, with an increasing minority firmly rejecting Western life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/29/nmuslims29.xml

You know, the life they currently lead in the society they lead it in. There's no end of this angry segment rioting in the streets, smashing their iPods and cellphones, burning their jeans - what's that you say?

I forget: which sort of people is it Mohammed says are the worst offenders against God? Is it the hypocrites? And who would have thought unregulated religious multiculturalism and the import of Middle Eastern imams would have resulted in this? :rolleyes:

Apparently Western education tends to radicalise Muslims. Perhaps its better they remain ignorant of who actually runs the world.

The Stonecutters or those other guys? You know. Them.

As a follow-up: who is we're really kidding ourselves, here? Stories like the following are commonplace (see links). But this is political islam: this is islam when in power. It never changes, anywhere, no matter how much is made of the "huge", "staggering variety" in political islam, country to country to community: for the infidel, it always means the same thing, always the familiar chord of islamic supremacism. But what is that chord, then, and from where does the tune come? Ah! but let's not look too deep. Let's not pry too much. Questions about intolerance only cause more...well, you know.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2007/1937124.htm#transcript
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6703155.stm
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.419651957&par=0
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=96725&d=28&m=5&y=2007†target=
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1809892.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6703155.stm

Yeah look at the people dying left right and center in all Muslim countries being liberated by the West

You do realise you're losing it?

And how exactly is that the fault of the Syrian Christians and the Chaldeans and what have you in Iraq? There's a lot made on this forum about not tarring all people with the same brush - and here it's actually true. Iraqi Christians aren't in league with the "Great Satan" and yet they're being persecuted literally and precisely on those grounds: group association. Yet, aside from the possibility of increased security scrutiny - which is being attacked in various legal forums - nothing of the kind is happening to muslims in the West. The majority of civilian casualties in all this Western interventionism - which, as I've said earlier, I'm critical of - are caused by religious terrorists, and yet still opinion swings on whether the Westerners caused it. Who would be dying, but for roadside bombs? Are the Yanks flattening cities with B-52s? If you're blaming or apologising for the persecution of minorities and women on the basis of Iraq, then either you or the terrorists are in a logical disjunct.

"Losing it"? I can't be annoyed about things?

Oh good, then there is nothing left to discuss.

Well, I suppose not, then: political islam is bad. End of story, I guess.

Imagine the law suits if Christians in the West treated Muslims like Muslims treat Christians in the Middle East.

That explains why so many of them come running to the West as soon as they are "liberated"

No sense was made there, more dizzying obfuscation under stress eh Sam?

No sense was made there, more dizzying obfuscation under stress eh Sam?

Why, all the Palestinian Christians who were liberated by Israel and left Israel for the West, for instance.:rolleyes:

And all the Syrian and Coptic Christians who have escaped from bondage and slavery.

Not to mention the Ethiopian and Iranian Jews.

Palestine was never a nation, so what are you trying to say?

Why, all the Palestinian Christians who were liberated by Israel and left Israel for the West, for instance.:rolleyes:

And all the Syrian and Coptic Christians who have escaped from bondage and slavery.

Not to mention the Ethiopian and Iranian Jews.

Well, actually...yes, that's at least partially true, as the story illustrates. Copts and Syrian Christians are fleeing Iraq and other places en masse. Iranian Jews live in an uneasy truce at best. The flight of religious minorities from the Middle East has gone on for decades; I have friends who left Lebanon on that basis. Ask Copts in Egypt how they feel about political islam; then ask Copts in North America how they feel about it. The latter will be a bit more forthcoming. To say nothing of Christians in Pakistan. And I can only guess at how an atheist might fare in any of those places.

Well, actually...yes, that's at least partially true, as the story illustrates. Copts and Syrian Christians are fleeing Iraq and other places en masse. Iranian Jews live in an uneasy truce at best. The flight of religious minorities from the Middle East has gone on for decades; I have friends who left Lebanon on that basis. Ask Copts in Egypt how they feel about political islam; then ask Copts in North America how they feel about it. The latter will be a bit more forthcoming. To say nothing of Christians in Pakistan. And I can only guess at how an atheist might fare in any of those places.

Like I said, one can see them fleeing from the places liberated by the West.

e.g. what do the Sunnis in Iraq feel like ATM? What about the non-Jewish Israelis?

Like I said, one can see them fleeing from the places liberated by the West.

And yet they want to go to places already liberated by the west???? Does that make any sense, Sam?

e.g. what do the Sunnis in Iraq feel like ATM?

ATM? Automatic Teller Machines???

Baron Max

Like I said, one can see them fleeing from the places liberated by the West.

Rather, one can see them fleeing all over the Middle East because they are associated with intervention by the West, whatever value (positive or negative) you attach to the later.

e.g. what do the Sunnis in Iraq feel like ATM? What about the non-Jewish Israelis?

As for your first sentence, I'm not sure what you mean. Ass-To-Mouth? That's just gross. And what about the non-Jewish Israelis? What point are you trying to point out?