When people OD on drugs such as Heroin, what type of feelings do they experience? Do they just go to sleep or is it painful, etc.?

They just fall asleep and sometimes NEVER WAKE UP! Great drug, isn't it?

Fade to black.

What is painful is what you go through if you are not successful with the attempt.

Death. And I think the only people who would know wouldn't be able to tell you.

You feel like your falling.
Oh and nausea plays a big part too.
I never died so I guess thats all I can tell you.
Dee Cee

Its not always the same. Some people who OD on heroin certainly do not have a good time, like vomitting to death. But others just pass out and never wake up.
I think when people "OD" in the vomitting to death way they didn't get pure heroin but I'm not sure.
I've got a few heroin addicts in the family.
Its wierd how heroin makes people ugly. Like seriously, its hard to put your finger on but it can make normal looking people become visciously unattractive.

A heroin junkie I once knew would get into these nervous "fits" when she didn't have any.
It would manifest itself in a cumpulsion to scratch.
She wasn't itchy, just compelled to scratch all the time.
She had these nasty sores all over her body because of it.

The scratching comes from the drug itself; you can get it even with synthetic opiates--they leech out through your skin.

I once did a bunch of pills, some prescription opiate, with a bunch of liquor. I woke up the next morning having already scratched one leg raw.

Oh, I forgot that sometimes when they OD on heroin they don't die but go into seizures shaking and vomiting. Sometimes when the drug has been cut with bad shit they really get violently ill and go into shock and do sometimes die. You never know what your taking when you buy from the streets so why take a chance with your life?

I heard of this guy that drowned in his own vomit. *cringes*

Depends on the dosage. Sometimes people are murdered by being given a hotshot, that is a dose of heroin with high purity that the user is not accustomed too, since usually it is cut with impurities. When this is the case, the user does not even have time to pull out the needle, death is very swift. Other times it comes slower, with severe nausea, and the disturbing knowledge that you might be going over the edge.

Oh, I forgot that sometimes when they OD on heroin they don't die but go into seizures shaking and vomiting. Sometimes when the drug has been cut with bad shit they really get violently ill and go into shock and do sometimes die. You never know what your taking when you buy from the streets so why take a chance with your life?

It helps if you have access to pharmacuetical grade diamorphine.... ;)

Still, endorphine analogs can be heavy going.
Handle with care people.
Dee Cee

You feel like your falling.
Oh and nausea plays a big part too.
I never died so I guess thats all I can tell you.
Dee Cee
Yay, take a drug that's supposed to make you feel good and then feel sick. A guy at uni once told me that the best high he ever got was from boiling dandelions and drinking the water. Apparently he became extremelly sick and felt like dying but once that passed he was high for days :confused:. My only question to him was why? All he could say was that it was free and the high was the best... after he threw up a couple of times that is... go figure..

Dribbler
I had a cousin who was an addict and he OD'ed once and was in a coma for 2 weeks, got better and went back on it. I asked him what it was like and he replied that he couldn't remember, just that he felt as though his body went cold and that was all he knew until he woke up in hospital 2 weeks later. He stopped and went into rehab a year later and after a couple of years he had some problems and injected himself with a normal dose and he died, with his face planted in a plate of food in a restaurant, needle still in his arm :(. The staff realised he was dead 2 hours later... don't ask me why they didn't figure something was wrong when he face planted his salad, but somehow they just didn't realise. Anyway, that one dose killed him instantly. I guess I just can't understand wanting to take the risk for just a couple of hours of feeling out of it. But then that's just me.

Yay, take a drug that's supposed to make you feel good and then feel sick. A guy at uni once told me that the best high he ever got was from boiling dandelions and drinking the water.

I think maybe your friend was pulling your chain.
Dandelion tea is widely used as an over-the-counter herbal remedy.

Some info... (http://www.gettingwell.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/herbaldrugs/100930.shtml)

I think maybe your friend was pulling your chain.
Dandelion tea is widely used as an over-the-counter herbal remedy.

Some info... (http://www.gettingwell.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/herbaldrugs/100930.shtml)
No, I actually asked him about dandelion tea as well and he said that he just picked the flowers in his yard and boiled it up for a length of time and drank it. Apparently tastes vile. Who really knows what he took. He may have been high already and just went out and picked anything from his yard and boiled it up and thought it was dandelions. :confused:

Could have been catnip, it looks almost identical. Kid, just curious, why ask? If ya planning anything, don't be that crazy. Life gets better. Trust me.

You know what's probably the most painful part of a heroin overdose? It's when they wake up without a high anymore because the paramedics shot 'em up with that stuff that counteracts the heroin. I've heard some junkies have become quite irrate about having their lives saved and their high wasted.

My brother's roommate died of a heroin overdose a couple years back. He hadn't done heroin since before he went to prison which was several years previous. He stayed away from heroin once he got out. But he lost his job and was working as a temp laborer, got caught shoplifting while on a job and banned from the labor agency. His buddy who he was shoplifting with was a junkie, got themselves some smack, and we found him dead on the bathroom floor a few hours later. Nasty shit draggin' a dead guy out and trying to give cpr. I don't think I'll ever forget the sound of the gurgling in his chest. *shiver*

seeing as it messes up your nervous system, once you begin to OD it is rather painful, yes... (or so I've been told). Ask Kurt Cobain. Oh, oops... too late.

What are you trying to say? Kurt Cobain's OD was hurting him so bad that he figured he's blow his brains out with a shotgun as an analgesic?

No. I didn't say that at all. I said ask Kurt if an OD hurts...

In a book ive read it said, that Johnny Thunders of the New York Dolls was so contorted (from the pain of the overdose) that his nose was almost touching his knees and stiff when they found him.

Lenny Bruce was found naked in his bathroom turned blue (lack of oxygen).

You could read "Wonderland Ave."- by Danny Sugarman. He really tells it straight with no bullshit. He worked for Jim Morrison and later managed the remaining Doors.

I was just kiddin', Jaded. I'd imagine the shotgun blast probably hut more. I've never heard of pain from an overdose, unless of course it's bad smack. Any pain one would feel would be buried in the haze of unconsciousness. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's not there. An overdose on speed would be far worse. Your heart basically tears itself apart. Ouch. Fully conscious as well.

either way, I'm not volunteering to try it out and then tell you all what it feels like.

Go get yourselfs a lab rat or.... tie up nexus and pump him up :D jk
no, honestly, I don't care what it feels like.
Maybe I'll try it some day...

A guy at uni once told me that the best high he ever got was from boiling dandelions and drinking the water Interesting...

I tried a mild form of heroin once, I was sick for days, ti was probably the stupidest thing I've ever done. It is almost instantly addictive too.

GO with the not-so-dangerous stuff www.herbalsmokeshops.com

It's legal too :)

God, me and my friend got a hold of some crack... I didn't try it cause it freaked me, but he did... the bloody thing messed him up so much I got traumatized.

Go get yourselfs a lab rat or.... tie up nexus and pump him up :D jk

I've done my share of illegal substances in my day, but I'll pass on the smack. That shit's way too heavy to play with. It's physically addicting, meaning if you quit cold turkey, it could kill you. Too rich for my blood. I've heard that a nerve bundle at the base of the spine grows and that's what causes the addiction (or at least exacerbates it somehow). So if you want to give it up, all you gotta do is break your back and you're home free. Mind you, my source on this is Stephen King, so it might very well be bullshit. It does fit with the back pain that junkies experience during withdrawal though.

Naw, these days I pretty much stick to the reefer. Everything else is just a slow form of suicide. I have become disgusted watching friends and family slip into death or mental stagnation due to drug and alcohol abuse. This world is sick with a hedonistic lifestyle, IMO. It's a legacy of the hippies. They destroyed themselves and now their memory destroys us. These things certainly have their uses, but everyone I know does them just because. To get fucked up. After a while that's all you know. What a lovely legacy to pass on to the next generation.

Heroin's bad, but at least they're relatively quiet. Except for when they're jonesing for another hit. Crack is lame, but it's not as seriously addicting as heroin. It gets you at the start, but nothing a good nights sleep can't cure. Just makes me uptight and uncomfortable though. Speed is the bane of the day. People out there are going clinically insane from this shit. It's not addicting like heroin, but it'll grab you by the lifestyle. Once you're a serious speed junkie, there's no going back. Your brain gets rewired.

Of course, all things affect different people differently. I have never been comfortable on stimulants. And have never tried any serious depressants. But, my motto is "Have fun, freak out, but remember that speed kills." (Saw that in an old High Times years ago, back when the magazine was good. Remember those days?)

Haven't mentioned psychedelics. I'm of a mixed opinion on those nowadays. I went through the phase where I thought they could open doors and yadda yadda. At the least they definitely seem to clear the cobwebs out of the skull. Good a few times a year, like spring cleaning. But, I don't think people take them with respect. Gotta be careful how you leave your mind at the end of a trip, it might become permanent. Like the old advice your momma might have given you about making a face and having it freeze that way.

A guy at uni once told me that the best high he ever got was from boiling dandelions and drinking the water

Dandelion is a weed. Perhaps someone sprayed some weed-killer on it?

I see lots of dandelions in my yard... Ideas are cropping. There is no killer on them though. I'll just boil A LOT of them and give it a try. I think nothing will happen.

What kind of high does heroin give?
Is it euphoric or "trippy?" Or both?
I tried coke the other day, and other than mild euphoria, it just made everything go really fast.

for the first time (and only time I did it, thank God) it is a little euphoric and trippy. It makes you forget all of what is going on around you, even though you are puking and stuff, it makes you feel good, in a way. It's so weird, difficult to describe. It's like a dream world where you have no control, like an escape. You only realise what really went on when you are sober. Don't try it.

I love the web.

How it makes you feel:
Heroin is the most fast-acting of all the opiates. When injected, it reaches the brain in 15-30 seconds; smoked heroin reaches the brain in around 7 seconds. The peak experience via this route lasts at most a few minutes. The surge of pleasure seems to start in the abdomen; a delicious warmth then spreads throughout the body. After the intense euphoria, a period of tranquillity ("on the nod") follows, lasting up to an hour. Experienced users will inject between 2-4 times per day. After taking heroin, some people feel cocooned and emotionally self-contained. Others feel stimulated and sociable. Either way, there is a profound sense of control and well-being. The euphoria gradually subsides into a dreamy and relaxed state of contentment. Higher doses of heroin normally make a person feel sleepy. At higher doses still, the user will nod off into a semi-conscious state. The effects usually wear off in 3-5 hours, depending on the dose. Heroin is not toxic to the organ systems of the body. But in prohibitionist society the mortality of street users is high.

The book by Danny Sugarman that Johnny Bravo mentioned is a good one. Both for understanding how Heroin makes you feel, and how it will destroy your life.

What it does:
Heroin mimics the action of natural chemicals, endorphins, produced by the body in response to pain. Endorphins are small-chain peptides that activate our endogenous opioid receptors. Opioid receptors are proteins embedded in the cell membrane; opioid agonists bind to the receptors to initiate their effects. The highest density of opioid receptors is found in the limbic system. Their activation produces feelings of happiness, relaxation, fearlessness and tolerance to pain. Endorphins are hundreds or even thousands of times more potent than morphine on a molar basis. Their potency means their concentrations in vivo are low. Endorphins are also involved in respiration, nausea, vomiting, pain modulation, hormonal regulation and itching.

Opioid drugs also act in these limbic brain regions. Yet except at very high doses, the opioids don't block the pain messages themselves. Rather, they change the subjective experience of the pain. This is why people receiving morphine for pain-relief may say that they still feel the pain - but that it doesn't bother them any more. Many users self-medicate: opioids are powerful antidepressants and antianxiety agents. Response and remission rates are high; but so are tolerance, dependence and addiction.

http://opioids.com/heroin.html

By pure random chance opiates mimic endorphins. Pain and pleasure are both critical feedback mechanisms for our bodies. These drugs short circuit the process. Since your body regulates the production of endorphins very carefully (excess production could lead to a uselessly happy person, immune to hunger pangs, or any of the other signals your body gives you to go about the business of survival and reproduction) it shuts down their production when an excess is detected. This leads to higher and higher doses of Heroin being necessary for a high to be obtained, until finally they are only able to achieve normalcy by shooting up.

Withdrawal is the period between no longer supplying the artificial endorphins, and your body beginning to resume its natural production of them. I've read accounts where they describe their entire body being in agonizing pain. One account I've read talked about how even his eyelids hurt horribly. One way to think of it is that your body maintains a very fine balance between pleasure and pain. Heroin artificially tips the balance far to the pleasure side, and after physical dependence has occurred, its absence tips the balance to extreme pain.

I guess the forst time is different. Most heavy drug users that I know get worse (and uglier) the longer they use drugs. It felt anything but "warm.

When people OD on drugs such as Heroin, what type of feelings do they experience? Do they just go to sleep or is it painful, etc.?

My 24 yr. old nephew OD'd just two days ago - he was found dead in his apartment after being dead for several hours. He had OD'd a few other times in the past few years - the last time he was in a coma for 2 weeks and permanently lost the use of one arm. I'll never forget seeing him lying in the ICU at the hospital hooked up to the ventilator, unconscious but still wincing and contorting from the withdrawal pain. And i'll never forget another time when he od'd the day before checking into rehab - his mom found him unconscious and put him in the car to take him to the hospital - he started having "death rales" on the way and she had to pull over on the side of the highway and give him CPR until the paramedics showed up. Can you imagine how that affected her? But the worst was going to see him in the morgue - his face was a very dark purple because he died while lying on his stomach. The sad thing was that he said so many times that he really did not want to die. He must have gotten some bad shit or else shot up a really high dose. He was an addict since he was a teenager - tried it once and he was hooked and led a miserable life of pain from the addiction for years.

If anyone out there is using or thinking of trying heroin - DON'T DO IT!!!! You can never take it back. Think about your family if nothing else and the pain you'll cause them for the rest of their lives. I wish I could hold him in my arms and make everything okay. He was a very active, happy, absolutely beautiful child who gave everyone so much joy when he was younger. We all knew this would happen someday - it's the nature of that evil beast. If only he would have sought help and stuck with it. There are so many "only ifs......."

This is a very sad story and i feel for you and your family. Let him rest in peace...

I ODed on water once. Made me piss like a race horse.

I've heard that a nerve bundle at the base of the spine grows and that's what causes the addiction (or at least exacerbates it somehow). So if you want to give it up, all you gotta do is break your back and you're home free. Mind you, my source on this is Stephen King, so it might very well be bullshit. It does fit with the back pain that junkies experience during withdrawal though.
From what I heard your body sees the drug as a poison and starts making stuff to counter the 'poison'. Hence experienced users need to take more to get the same effect. After you quit the drugs the body is filled with the anti-drug stuff and that needs to come out.

Mind you this was told by an ex junkie so I have no idea how trustworthy this is. Perhaps some biologist can shed some light.

If anyone out there is using or thinking of trying heroin - DON'T DO IT!!!!

I agree on you with that, sorry for your loss. I doubt it's instantly addictive though, doing it once wouldn't fuck you up into becoming extremely addicted. Perhaps mentally you can be addicted but even then I doubt it.

If only he would have sought help and stuck with it. There are so many "only ifs......."
Addicties can't stay and look for help since their mind is set to accomplish 1 thing only, that is getting the next shot. A guy I knew used alot of drugs, not heroin though, and went in and out of some mental hospital. Eventually he commited suicide because he couldn't live without the drugs anymore.

Thanks for all of your prayers! It helps (a little). There were soooo many people at his funeral which was really nice - although my sister (his mom) really lost it when they closed the casket. She was in the hospital several years ago and was out of it - he came up to visit her and put an angel pin on her gown. Of course she kept it and before the funeral she bought another one and put it on his shirt in the casket. I thought that was so cool!

Has anyone ever seen the move "Basketball Diaries" starring Leonardo DeCaprio? I watched it over the weekend and was very disturbed it - almost made me sick to my stomach. There is also another movie about heroin junkies but I can't remember the name of it - I think it has "Train" in it. Anyone know? Thanks!

Trainspotting.

I've done it twice, but i can't tell you about the dying part. For me, the warm tingle in the back of my head in a usual high, was extreme and annoying. loud ringing in my ears were persistent to the point that i couldn't hear what people were saying. it was like they were underwater. my vision became so blurred it was black, going blind at random blotches of time, fighting to see. i couldn't see the person two feet away from me. when i tried to stand, i couldn't. i felt dead weight, like i was paralyzed. when i tried to force myself up i couldn't, i felt helpless. my friend helped set me on my feet, as i tried to walk my equilibrium was almost gone. i stammered worse than a drunk person and finally made it to the door with help, then i collapsed. no longer able to hold myself. i was caught and dragged to my bed were after a few seconds i slowly got up then fell back to my bed in a sitting position. he, my friend, kept me talking, using my brain, concentrating on reality. slowly, with my mumbled speech, i came to. with a throbbing in my temples, annoying and some mild or muffled pain. still high.

there was slight pain, but not really. more terrified and annoyed than anything. trying to fight the falling and strong urge to sleep. i knew i was overdosing the second it hit me. the pain is more a feeling of being so high you wish you could die, just to be free of the struggle to stay alive, to be free from the high you love....

ANOTHER PERSON:
"My first OD.

I had been using heroin for about 7 years and had recently started on methadone treatment. Methadone combats the effects of Heroin, meaning that while on methadone you will not feel the effects of any Heroin you take. This is because the methadone saturates your Opiate receptors and the Heroin cannot fill them.

[Erowid Note: We believe this statement is not really correct. From what we understand of the issue, people on methadone maintenance sometimes do use heroin and get effects from it.]

When I first started on my methadone treatment I did not know this. Several weeks into the treatment I decided to buy some Heroin. I bought 10 bags. I decided to inject three bags as that was what I precviously needed to get high. But it did nothing for me at all. I knew it was Heroin, it was real, so I came to the wrong conclusion that the methadone must have made my tolerance higher. So I decided to take five bags, cooked them up and injected them. I felt something strange, it wasnt a high but rather a blood rush to the head, I felt itchy all over.

This was a wrong feeling. I knew from experience that if I had taken a little too much heroin that I should get up and walk around, try to find people. So I got up off my bed and started to walk around, within five seconds I knew that I was in serious trouble. I fell to the ground. My vision started to collapse, I could see, then I couldnt, this happened in waves. My chest felt very tight. So tight that I couldnt breathe. I was making all sorts of noises trying to breath. I tried to get as much oxygen as possible but I could only take very short breaths because my chest was so tight. So I breathed quickly. During this time I was trying to keep myself awake, I was trying to get to my feet, trying to pull myself up by holding the bed and the wall, falling all over the place, my legs like jelly, my chest tight, my vision collapsing. At this time I was convinced I was going to die and said a prayer, I am not usually a religious person, in fact I am of no religion, only that of love, kindness and happyness. But as with all people in a circumstance like this, when faced with what you believe is certain death I think that you automaticaly pray, its just something that you do.

Eventually I managed to get over all this, it lasted about 10 minutes. A very bad experience. What I feel so scared about is that I resigned myself to the fact that I was about to die. This is a frightening thought to me. I only hope that this never happens again. People be carefull and always when taking heroin plunge only half of it in first, just to make sure you know the strength and your tolerance. "

source=
erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=7125

People be carefull and always when taking heroin plunge only half of it in first, just to make sure you know the strength and your tolerance. "


That is a very sad and bad comment. Just don't use the shit to begin with

and then you won't have to worry about death. You make it seem that you

should take careful consideration about what and how to do heroin instead

of just saying don't do it. Why is that?

I heard of this guy that drowned in his own vomit. *cringes*That didn't start with heroin. It is the classic way people die with too much alcohol in their system. They fall into such a deep sleep that their gag reflex doesn't work, so when their air passage fills with vomit they don't wake up. That's how Bon Scott died.I've done my share of illegal substances in my day, but I'll pass on the smack. That shit's way too heavy to play with. It's physically addicting, meaning if you quit cold turkey, it could kill you. Too rich for my blood. I've heard that a nerve bundle at the base of the spine grows and that's what causes the addiction (or at least exacerbates it somehow). So if you want to give it up, all you gotta do is break your back and you're home free. Mind you, my source on this is Stephen King, so it might very well be bullshit. It does fit with the back pain that junkies experience during withdrawal though.It is bullshit. The only drug that evidence indicates might actually make a permanent change in your body is nicotine. It activates receptors that never die off, and in many people they continue to signal their brain with a craving for nicotine years later. If you want to talk about a really bad drug it's tobacco. Oh wait a minute, that's a gazillion-dollar industry so we pay farmers subsidies to grow it. I keep forgetting that the War on Drugs is really only a war on drugs that the people in power don't use.

About 25 years ago Darryl Gates, L.A.'s chief of police, said in an interview that he wished the police had the authority to shoot marijuana users. The next day a young person uttered the bon mot that will endure forever: "Sure you do. That's the only way you can make the drugs we use as deadly as the ones you use."This world is sick with a hedonistic lifestyle, IMO. It's a legacy of the hippies. They destroyed themselves and now their memory destroys us.Hedonism is a word we got from the Ancient Greeks for a lifestyle that they already knew. Life got really easy in postwar America because unlike much of the world we were not cleaning up rubble and rebuilding our infrastructure. It was absurdly easy to "drop out" and still live rather comfortably. Stop spreading urban myths. I knew dozens of hippies and they're all responsible citizens with children, mortgages and good jobs with IRAs now. Many of them still use their favorite drugs. When the first Boomer turned 50, AARP launched a new magazine called "My Generation." The articles took it for granted that many people of that demographic had not "reformed," yet were still smart and successful enough to want help managing their retirement.Of course, all things affect different people differently.Which of course is the reason that one-size-fits-all drug laws are unconstitutional. Personally, for me caffeine is a dangerous drug and I've ruined my life a couple of times while under its influence. And my parents gave it to me when I was a child because back in the 1950s nobody considered it a drug.Haven't mentioned psychedelics. I'm of a mixed opinion on those nowadays. I went through the phase where I thought they could open doors and yadda yadda. At the least they definitely seem to clear the cobwebs out of the skull. Good a few times a year, like spring cleaning. But, I don't think people take them with respect. Gotta be careful how you leave your mind at the end of a trip, it might become permanent.The crowd I always hung around with--engineers, computer programmers, lawyers, etc.--came up with the consensus that marijuana knocks about 20 points off your IQ while you're stoned. For left-brained people this is a godsend, because they were finally able to let their right brain dominate and think in the holographic way characteristic of that hemisphere. They'd all pull out their paintbrushes and musical instruments. It didn't make them especially talented, mind you, but it allowed them to spend some time being creative to the limits of their ability, before returning to another day at work in the world of logic. These were people who got blottoed and still remember to turn off the stove, put away the leftovers (if there were any), let the cat out, make the bed, and generally took care of business. They wondered if only really smart people should use pot because normal people might get too stupid to take care of themselves.My 24 yr. old nephew OD'd just two days ago - he was found dead in his apartment after being dead for several hours. The sad thing was that he said so many times that he really did not want to die. He must have gotten some bad shit or else shot up a really high dose.And you don't understand that most "drug-related deaths" are actually the second-order effect of prohibition? My parents lived through alcohol prohibition and remembered all the people who were blinded or killed by wood alcohol in booze brewed by amateurs. My grandparents remembered when all the drugs that had been invented so far were perfectly legal and for sale in *gasp* drug stores. Pharmacists prepared them and they came with professional advice and paraphernalia. Doctors and lawyers took heroin (a tradmark of the Bayer Corp. "Heroin: It makes you feel like a hero!") and went on about their business. It wasn't selling at black market prices so nobody became impoverished and a street criminal because of their habit. Oh yeah, you probably also don't know that Coca-Cola was so named because it contained cocaine. Our ancestors were a whole lot smarter than the nannies who have taken over this country.You make it seem that you should take careful consideration about what and how to do heroin instead of just saying don't do it. Why is that?Because that is the way sensible people deal with risks. They read their history and discover that when drugs were legal they didn't cause much of a problem and begin to suspect that it's prohibition that's the cause of all of our drug-related grief. They discover that even today something like 90% of heroin users get tired of it and stop, and they realize that those other 10% are just discontented people who will find some way to get themselves in trouble regardless of the rules.

If you want to read up on the history and pharmacology of drugs, get a copy of "The Consumer's Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs." It is so politically incorrect that it's been out of print for about thirty years, but there are plenty of copies available. It's still the bible for all drugs that were available thirty years ago. Remember, these are the people who find fault with most of the products they test and think they should be outlawed; they are not hippies.

Because that is the way sensible people deal with risks



You are saying that people who are sensible use heroin? I'd think that

people who are fucking nutz are using heroin. They put shit into their bodies that they

don't know anything about. Drug pushers "cut" heroin with all sorts of crap

and sometimes they don't cut it at all and distribute pure heroin which kills people.

hey put shit into their bodies that they

don't know anything about. Drug pushers "cut" heroin with all sorts of crap

and sometimes they don't cut it at all and distribute pure heroin which kills people.

Why on earth would they want to kill off their client base? Think about it. A ounce of pure heroin is worth more than an ounce of heroin that's been cut with baking soda, and who the hell would they kill the people who buy their goods?

I might have said this earlier, but there is no better advertising for a particular 'brand' of heroin than an overdose or three. The junkies love it.

I might have said this earlier, but there is no better advertising for a particular 'brand' of heroin than an overdose or three. The junkies love it.

Exactly, just as potheads will flock to a dealer known for selling weak cannibus.

Heroin overdose=strong heroin.
Of course, there's always the possibility that it's actually some kind of poisoning or whatever, but junkies aren't the brightest fish in the sea.

Heroin overdose=strong heroin.
Of course, there's always the possibility that it's actually some kind of poisoning or whatever, but junkies aren't the brightest fish in the sea.

Yeah, I realized that you weren't joking about a minute after hitting post. It makes a certain amount of sense. But it still doesn't explain why anyone would sell uncut shit without noting it as such and charging more.

You are saying that people who are sensible use heroin?People who are sensible lobby to end the War on Drugs, not to mention all of our other unconstitutional laws. People who are sensible don't want the government acting as a nanny, telling consenting adults what they can and cannot do.Drug pushers "cut" heroin with all sorts of crap and sometimes they don't cut it at all and distribute pure heroin which kills people.People who are sensible know that this is the result of prohibition. Alcohol, tobacco and caffeine products undergo a highly precise manufacturing process involving quality assurance, and they contain exactly what they are expected to contain.

As for dealers selling a product with higher concentration than expected, that's not something that will happen deliberately except in the rare case when it's worth the expense to get rid of an annoying client in this way. Otherwise it's the result of a poor mixing process, which again is due to the product being brewed on the black market by mediocre chemists under poor conditions, instead of a well managed factory.

It's sad that when people try to make a case for Mister Mackey's slogan, "Drugs are bad, mm-kay?" they almost always end up giving a textbook-perfect illustration of the evils of drug prohibition, rather than the drugs themselves.

If only we could return to a sensible time when adults were free to do whatever they wanted so long as it caused no direct harm to others, children were not allowed to take drugs, and it was the responsibility of the adults in their lives to see to it that they didn't. The people I know of who had big problems with drugs all started while they were in high school, under the "care" of parents who wanted to be regarded as cool.

well when i was 8 my mum died of a herion overdose, and she just went peacefully to sleep.. there was no vomiting or seizures.. she just kinda went to sleep and didnt wake up. so i guess it mightn't always depend on the amount of herion used to if they have seizures etc, but the user's own body and how it reacts with the herion.

my mum died after starting to use herion again after giving it up for a long time, and just went straight back into using the amount she used when she was at her worst. it obviously proved to be too much, as her body had gotten used to not having it anymore, and she overdosed and died.

i dunno if that answers any questions or not, and i may be wrong with what i said above, but i thought that id put it out there..