Heroes Season III

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  1. superstring01 Moderator

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    Yeah. It's back. I'm stoked.

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  3. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    when did you become a roman?
     
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    I'm German. I just have a fascination with Rome. Thus the motto attached to my name.

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  7. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Did anyone see the irony of the William Katt cameo?

    The Greatest American Hero appears on Heroes and still doesn't figure out the suit before his new role goes down the drain!
     
  8. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't recognize him. What role did he play?
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    First time I viewed it last night but caught the las 45 minutes of it. I really didn't get whatever it is that makes this show so appealing. I didn't see good acting nor hear good writing. To me it was not as good as I thought it was going to be. :shrug:
     
  10. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    Ok...Heroes S03 premiere...

    ****SPOILERS FOLLOW****

    Honestly, I feel that the writers/creators tried too hard to cause a shakeup. There are waaaay too many sub plots and new mutations. Mohinder is completely out of character, becoming the self serving gloryhound rather than the usual humanitarian that he is.

    Also, while I appreciate Marvel's Magneto, I thought the Heroes writers would avoid Marvelling up the script by adding a villian with Magneto's powers.

    Angela's shocking revelation at the end was a bit much, I think the story could have progressed without that contrived tit bit...but even though her newly admitted relationship was over the top, it maaay be construed as necessary to cull Sylar's assistance.

    That being said...I still enjoyed the beginning of S03 (I'm a superhero geek, so sue me

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    ). Hiro vs Mrs. Flash is a decent lateral plot, esp. as 'Sulu' appeared to have been safeguarding half of the superpowers sequence.

    Let's see how it goes...
     
  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    I recognized him from the X-Men movies. He played the Senator Kelly.

    As Enterprise-D said, I think they over-wrote the first episode. They included a lot of XMen-esque characters, but let's face it: there are only so many mutant powers out there, there are bound to be overlapping ones.

    All in all, Tim Kring did a great job opening the season with a huge bang.

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  12. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    OH! William Katt was the reporter dude right? The one that Nikki iced...

    In Seasons 1 and 2 I got the impression that Heroes was trying to avoid appearing like the X Men...now I'm not so sure. I might be commenting on that too early tho.
     
  13. superstring01 Moderator

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    You'll notice that there are not physically mutating abilities (shape-shifting, turning body into metal, no wings, strange colors): all the powers originate in the brain and while some manifest as physical abilities, they are nonetheless mental abilities. Even the woman who seemed to shape-shift was only making people think she was shape-shifting, it was all in their heads.

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  14. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    Should have checked back here lol...

    I didn't mean X Men powers...I just meant that the story appeared to be evolving into a clear cut superhero team vs a supervillian team theme which everyone has done. But they quickly dispensed with that and added the twists that I've come to enjoy in the show.

    I still don't like the Mohinder turn, but...I'm not writing lol

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  15. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    I finally got my internet up and running. Before anything else, I downloaded Heroes.

    DO NOT READ COMPLETE SHOW SPOILERS AHEAD

    SPOILERS:
    It appears, everybody is turning evil.
    -Claire is the punisher. She has been the punisher since the first season when she went on her first psycho rampage.
    -Mohinder turned into Mr. Hyde.
    -Peter is now Sylar.
    -Hiro went ahead, and killed his best friend.

    -Nathan gets healed, but we don't know by who considering Linderman was just an illusion.

    -Third season, and we still don't know WTF "DL" stands for. Nor did ThatHatian ever get a name.

    -Father Patrelli finally showed up. He's running things from his coma using Maury Parkman to give psychic illusions on people. God forbid he actually just go ahead, and use his psychic power to posess/alter their brain completely to do what he wants.

    -Niki is dead. Her sister Tracy seems to be good, but suicidal. Then there is the unkown sister, Barbara. But we still have no idea what happened to Jessica who used to occupy Niki's body. Jessica was also supposed to by Niki's sister, but there is no mention of her anymore. What happened to that plot?
    -Matt is not so evil, but he's looking for some sort of power animal.
    -Usutu is an African Isaac.
    -Stephen went and threw himself into a vortex. Where did he go?

    -Daphne is a new evil character working for father Petrelli thinking he is Mr. Linderman.
    -Elle still evil.
    -Noah still evil.
    -Adam still evil, and escaped.
    -Echo was supposed to be in level 5, but completely disappeared.
    -German Magneto, Flint, and Knox are new evil characters at large.
    -Eric the puppetmaster has Meredith in his evil clutches
    -West is still at large. Who knows what even he's capable of. Ubergayness.

    -Maya has finally stopped killing people.
    -Angela still evil, but seems to be turning good.
    -Sylar is now turning good. Gravy.

    -Monica has yet to be seen.
    -Molly has yet to be seen.
    -Kimiko has yet to be seen.
    -Zach's memory has been wiped, but there still has to be hope.
    -Michah got left by Tracy.
    -Catlin still stranded somewhere.
    -Hana still lost in cyberspace.
    -Sanjog can walk into dreams, but doesn't seem to be helping out in this crisis.
    -I'm still waiting for my favorite character to appear, Claude.
    -Heidi, Simon, and Monty are nowhere. WTF?
    -Audrey hasn't been seen in awhile.
    -Yaeko will probably not be seen anymore.

    DEAD: Shanti, Jesse, Bob, Mother Hawkins, Candice, Alejandro, Kaito, Charlie, Isaac, Charles, Ted, Eden, Dale, Zane, Chandra. Thompson. Victoria
     
  16. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    I figured it out. Father Patrelli takes powers from people. He stole Adam's healing power thereby causing Adam's death. He stole all of Peter's powers. But is he aware that Peter had Sylar's cravings? Father Patrelli is now the most powerful mutant, he had evil cravings, and Peter no longer has powers.
     
  17. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    That was a big twist at the end of the last episode. Thought it was crazy that Peter had his powers including sylars stolen. this is going to get interesting.
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    I was pissed-off the first three episodes. I really wasn't liking where it was going. The last episode, however (Peter gets his powers "stolen" by his father), was excellent and I'm now happy with the direction. I'm Tim Kring sleeps better knowing that.

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  19. steph02 Registered Member

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    Couldn't agree more, I was starting to think the show had just lost it. I'm not expecting season 3 to be like the last two, but its looking up

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  20. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    All that jumping around with Peter and evil Peter was tired. Then evil Peter turns into Sylar. I definitely agree that Peter's powers getting stolen by father petrelli was great. I wonder what will become of Peter.

    I really don't like the fact that Sylar's craving was an aspect of his power. I enjoyed the fact that he was really a bad guy with a power not because of a power.

    Mohinder turning evil is just another aspect of power like Sylar. My guess is that his power is insectlike. Super strength, heightened senses, walk on walls, but what is he doing with all his victims? Abducting them, covering them in some sort of cocoon, then eating them?
     
  21. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    Lix...Noah isn't "evil". He's an anti-hero. Actually, many of the characters aren't inherently evil...merely motivated by goals which may or may not adversely affect others.

    Indeed, Sylar's "evil" aspect was allowing his power hunger to be the most important thing in his life. I think Kring had written the origin for Sylar's anti-social personality a long time ago, when we note that his (adopted) mother's approval and love were the driving force for him absorbing increasing levels of power...in a sub-conscious attempt to make her proud. Now that Angela is his mummy, and she's given him different direction, he's gotten a new perspective and with that a new handle on his ability.

    But there are some characters who are indeed evil...like "Puppetmaster" Eric (can I hear a rousing "ewww" from the folks who date guys in the forum? lol)
     
  22. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but I have heard the rediculous new term "anti-hero" many times, and there is no such thing. Noah is flipping Evil. Mr. Vortex guy who refused to commit evil acts upon Sylar under Noah's evil threat exemplifies what real heroism is about.

    As for Sylar's evil aspect, I don't see how it has anything to do with mothers. According to the storyline, Sylar and Peter are not actually evil, but have been overtaken by their power like Mohinder. Thereby, a power doesn't only grant abilities, but can also somehow make you evil.
     
  23. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    An oft used definition of "anti-hero" is one who works towards a laudable goal, except that he is willing to flounce other people's sensibilities to do it. This is definitely Noah's description. Noah's willingness to eliminate Sylar however is born out of the attack on Claire.

    Sylar's "evil" aspect clearly originates from his adoptive mother's dissatisfaction with him, in the episode where he accidentally kills her, he's practically begging to be accepted simply for being himself, to which his mother insists that she expects him to achieve more than "just being a watchmaker". His incessant desire to please his Mum is further shown when that focus is redirected onto his newly discovered Mum, Angela, and his motives almost magically shifted to helping The Company retrieve dangerous 'mutants'.

    I am however saying that the hunger for knowledge associated with Sylar's ability is absent, it merely appears to be a feral side effect (the same way a hungry lion might eat a human). A being of higher intelligence should be able to control that side effect (as Sylar was able to in the possible future, and Daddy Petrelli so far appears to be able to...but Peter took a little while to get the hang of).

    There is a huge grey area between "good" and "evil", and I think the writers of Heroes are doing an ingenious job if dancing within it.
     

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