Yeah. It's back. I'm stoked.

~String

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when did you become a roman?

I'm German. I just have a fascination with Rome. Thus the motto attached to my name.

~String

Did anyone see the irony of the William Katt cameo?

The Greatest American Hero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American_Hero) appears on Heroes and still doesn't figure out the suit before his new role goes down the drain!

Did anyone see the irony of the William Katt cameo?

The Greatest American Hero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American_Hero) appears on Heroes and still doesn't figure out the suit before his new role goes down the drain!I didn't recognize him. What role did he play?

First time I viewed it last night but caught the las 45 minutes of it. I really didn't get whatever it is that makes this show so appealing. I didn't see good acting nor hear good writing. To me it was not as good as I thought it was going to be. :shrug:

Ok...Heroes S03 premiere...

****SPOILERS FOLLOW****

Honestly, I feel that the writers/creators tried too hard to cause a shakeup. There are waaaay too many sub plots and new mutations. Mohinder is completely out of character, becoming the self serving gloryhound rather than the usual humanitarian that he is.

Also, while I appreciate Marvel's Magneto, I thought the Heroes writers would avoid Marvelling up the script by adding a villian with Magneto's powers.

Angela's shocking revelation at the end was a bit much, I think the story could have progressed without that contrived tit bit...but even though her newly admitted relationship was over the top, it maaay be construed as necessary to cull Sylar's assistance.

That being said...I still enjoyed the beginning of S03 (I'm a superhero geek, so sue me :D). Hiro vs Mrs. Flash is a decent lateral plot, esp. as 'Sulu' appeared to have been safeguarding half of the superpowers sequence.

Let's see how it goes...

I didn't recognize him. What role did he play?

I recognized him from the X-Men movies. He played the Senator Kelly.

As Enterprise-D said, I think they over-wrote the first episode. They included a lot of XMen-esque characters, but let's face it: there are only so many mutant powers out there, there are bound to be overlapping ones.

All in all, Tim Kring did a great job opening the season with a huge bang.

~String

OH! William Katt was the reporter dude right? The one that Nikki iced...

In Seasons 1 and 2 I got the impression that Heroes was trying to avoid appearing like the X Men...now I'm not so sure. I might be commenting on that too early tho.

You'll notice that there are not physically mutating abilities (shape-shifting, turning body into metal, no wings, strange colors): all the powers originate in the brain and while some manifest as physical abilities, they are nonetheless mental abilities. Even the woman who seemed to shape-shift was only making people think she was shape-shifting, it was all in their heads.

~String

Should have checked back here lol...

I didn't mean X Men powers...I just meant that the story appeared to be evolving into a clear cut superhero team vs a supervillian team theme which everyone has done. But they quickly dispensed with that and added the twists that I've come to enjoy in the show.

I still don't like the Mohinder turn, but...I'm not writing lol :)

I finally got my internet up and running. Before anything else, I downloaded Heroes.

DO NOT READ COMPLETE SHOW SPOILERS AHEAD

SPOILERS:
It appears, everybody is turning evil.
-Claire is the punisher. She has been the punisher since the first season when she went on her first psycho rampage.
-Mohinder turned into Mr. Hyde.
-Peter is now Sylar.
-Hiro went ahead, and killed his best friend.

-Nathan gets healed, but we don't know by who considering Linderman was just an illusion.

-Third season, and we still don't know WTF "DL" stands for. Nor did ThatHatian ever get a name.

-Father Patrelli finally showed up. He's running things from his coma using Maury Parkman to give psychic illusions on people. God forbid he actually just go ahead, and use his psychic power to posess/alter their brain completely to do what he wants.

-Niki is dead. Her sister Tracy seems to be good, but suicidal. Then there is the unkown sister, Barbara. But we still have no idea what happened to Jessica who used to occupy Niki's body. Jessica was also supposed to by Niki's sister, but there is no mention of her anymore. What happened to that plot?
-Matt is not so evil, but he's looking for some sort of power animal.
-Usutu is an African Isaac.
-Stephen went and threw himself into a vortex. Where did he go?

-Daphne is a new evil character working for father Petrelli thinking he is Mr. Linderman.
-Elle still evil.
-Noah still evil.
-Adam still evil, and escaped.
-Echo was supposed to be in level 5, but completely disappeared.
-German Magneto, Flint, and Knox are new evil characters at large.
-Eric the puppetmaster has Meredith in his evil clutches
-West is still at large. Who knows what even he's capable of. Ubergayness.

-Maya has finally stopped killing people.
-Angela still evil, but seems to be turning good.
-Sylar is now turning good. Gravy.

-Monica has yet to be seen.
-Molly has yet to be seen.
-Kimiko has yet to be seen.
-Zach's memory has been wiped, but there still has to be hope.
-Michah got left by Tracy.
-Catlin still stranded somewhere.
-Hana still lost in cyberspace.
-Sanjog can walk into dreams, but doesn't seem to be helping out in this crisis.
-I'm still waiting for my favorite character to appear, Claude.
-Heidi, Simon, and Monty are nowhere. WTF?
-Audrey hasn't been seen in awhile.
-Yaeko will probably not be seen anymore.

DEAD: Shanti, Jesse, Bob, Mother Hawkins, Candice, Alejandro, Kaito, Charlie, Isaac, Charles, Ted, Eden, Dale, Zane, Chandra. Thompson. Victoria

I figured it out. Father Patrelli takes powers from people. He stole Adam's healing power thereby causing Adam's death. He stole all of Peter's powers. But is he aware that Peter had Sylar's cravings? Father Patrelli is now the most powerful mutant, he had evil cravings, and Peter no longer has powers.

That was a big twist at the end of the last episode. Thought it was crazy that Peter had his powers including sylars stolen. this is going to get interesting.

I was pissed-off the first three episodes. I really wasn't liking where it was going. The last episode, however (Peter gets his powers "stolen" by his father), was excellent and I'm now happy with the direction. I'm Tim Kring sleeps better knowing that.

~String

I was pissed-off the first three episodes. I really wasn't liking where it was going. The last episode, however (Peter gets his powers "stolen" by his father), was excellent and I'm now happy with the direction. I'm Tim Kring sleeps better knowing that.

~String

Couldn't agree more, I was starting to think the show had just lost it. I'm not expecting season 3 to be like the last two, but its looking up :)

All that jumping around with Peter and evil Peter was tired. Then evil Peter turns into Sylar. I definitely agree that Peter's powers getting stolen by father petrelli was great. I wonder what will become of Peter.

I really don't like the fact that Sylar's craving was an aspect of his power. I enjoyed the fact that he was really a bad guy with a power not because of a power.

Mohinder turning evil is just another aspect of power like Sylar. My guess is that his power is insectlike. Super strength, heightened senses, walk on walls, but what is he doing with all his victims? Abducting them, covering them in some sort of cocoon, then eating them?

Lix...Noah isn't "evil". He's an anti-hero. Actually, many of the characters aren't inherently evil...merely motivated by goals which may or may not adversely affect others.

Indeed, Sylar's "evil" aspect was allowing his power hunger to be the most important thing in his life. I think Kring had written the origin for Sylar's anti-social personality a long time ago, when we note that his (adopted) mother's approval and love were the driving force for him absorbing increasing levels of power...in a sub-conscious attempt to make her proud. Now that Angela is his mummy, and she's given him different direction, he's gotten a new perspective and with that a new handle on his ability.

But there are some characters who are indeed evil...like "Puppetmaster" Eric (can I hear a rousing "ewww" from the folks who date guys in the forum? lol)

Lix...Noah isn't "evil". He's an anti-hero. Actually, many of the characters aren't inherently evil...merely motivated by goals which may or may not adversely affect others.

Indeed, Sylar's "evil" aspect was allowing his power hunger to be the most important thing in his life. I think Kring had written the origin for Sylar's anti-social personality a long time ago, when we note that his (adopted) mother's approval and love were the driving force for him absorbing increasing levels of power...in a sub-conscious attempt to make her proud. Now that Angela is his mummy, and she's given him different direction, he's gotten a new perspective and with that a new handle on his ability.

But there are some characters who are indeed evil...like "Puppetmaster" Eric (can I hear a rousing "ewww" from the folks who date guys in the forum? lol)
Sorry, but I have heard the rediculous new term "anti-hero" many times, and there is no such thing. Noah is flipping Evil. Mr. Vortex guy who refused to commit evil acts upon Sylar under Noah's evil threat exemplifies what real heroism is about.

As for Sylar's evil aspect, I don't see how it has anything to do with mothers. According to the storyline, Sylar and Peter are not actually evil, but have been overtaken by their power like Mohinder. Thereby, a power doesn't only grant abilities, but can also somehow make you evil.

An oft used definition of "anti-hero" is one who works towards a laudable goal, except that he is willing to flounce other people's sensibilities to do it. This is definitely Noah's description. Noah's willingness to eliminate Sylar however is born out of the attack on Claire.

Sylar's "evil" aspect clearly originates from his adoptive mother's dissatisfaction with him, in the episode where he accidentally kills her, he's practically begging to be accepted simply for being himself, to which his mother insists that she expects him to achieve more than "just being a watchmaker". His incessant desire to please his Mum is further shown when that focus is redirected onto his newly discovered Mum, Angela, and his motives almost magically shifted to helping The Company retrieve dangerous 'mutants'.

I am however saying that the hunger for knowledge associated with Sylar's ability is absent, it merely appears to be a feral side effect (the same way a hungry lion might eat a human). A being of higher intelligence should be able to control that side effect (as Sylar was able to in the possible future, and Daddy Petrelli so far appears to be able to...but Peter took a little while to get the hang of).

There is a huge grey area between "good" and "evil", and I think the writers of Heroes are doing an ingenious job if dancing within it.

1. You do not need to define anti-hero. I know the claims and philosophies behind it. I don't buy into any of that crap. Noah is evil. Wow so he wants to protect Claire, and therefore he is not evil. His motives are to protect his daughter with good intentions towards earth and humanity. Deez nuts! The dude is a blithering evil psychopath, and you know as well as I do that his choices and decisions, his actions, all exemplify is evil methods. Towards what end? His own views of what HE feels he wants to impose on others. Kidnapping mutants, coersion, murder, etc. the list goes on.

2. You are correct in the sense that Sylar's murderous inclination was always a mixture of his hunger and his own personality. Your psychoanalysis is actually true in terms of the show's original direction. However, in season 3, the show changed its direction with this.

While I don't like the new direction in this case, the show is now saying that it was never Sylar that was actually the murderous type. It was his power that made him that way. While I do not like this direction, that is the direction the show has taken.

Absolutely in the previous seasons, your description is very valid. However after they unfortunately changed the shows direction, that is no longer the case.

3. I agree 100% fully with your observation that Father Petrelli has the skill to eliminate that hunger in himself. Also, I was talking with a friend about how Father Petrelli actually let Mya go despite him being an evil bastard. After stealing her powers, he could have just left her dead in the ditch. My friend claims that his act was to win over Mohinder. But it seems to me that they are imposing more dimensions to that character.

1. You do not need to define anti-hero. I know the claims and philosophies behind it. I don't buy into any of that crap. Noah is evil. Wow so he wants to protect Claire, and therefore he is not evil. His motives are to protect his daughter with good intentions towards earth and humanity. Deez nuts! The dude is a blithering evil psychopath, and you know as well as I do that his choices and decisions, his actions, all exemplify is evil methods. Towards what end? His own views of what HE feels he wants to impose on others. Kidnapping mutants, coersion, murder, etc. the list goes on.

Well, to each his own, however the anti-hero is an accepted and established literary tool. I'm saying that the Heroes writers have used the anti-hero characterization in this case.


2. You are correct in the sense that Sylar's murderous inclination was always a mixture of his hunger and his own personality. Your psychoanalysis is actually true in terms of the show's original direction. However, in season 3, the show changed its direction with this.

Plausible :)


While I don't like the new direction in this case, the show is now saying that it was never Sylar that was actually the murderous type. It was his power that made him that way. While I do not like this direction, that is the direction the show has taken.

I don't really mind that much, since they've replaced him with Daddy Petrelli.


3. I agree 100% fully with your observation that Father Petrelli has the skill to eliminate that hunger in himself. Also, I was talking with a friend about how Father Petrelli actually let Mya go despite him being an evil bastard. After stealing her powers, he could have just left her dead in the ditch. My friend claims that his act was to win over Mohinder. But it seems to me that they are imposing more dimensions to that character.

Probably, but also he appears to consider regular humans useless and non-threatening. Why bother to kill Maya when she's just a whip of a girl with no power now?

Yes. Why bother kill her? Why bother let her live? Who knows. Another thing that doesn't make sense is why he hasn't manifested Mohinder's power and the physical side-effects. As far as I remember, Mohinder was the first in the series to manifest some form of physical deformation as a result of his powers. Has father Petrelli absorbed Mohinder's powers as well with out the deformation effect?

What exactly is his intention Father Petrelli's intention? Does he want to give the population super powers? Is this show really serious with that plotline? He wants to inject everybody so they can have powers so that he can absorb their powers with Peter's sponge ability? Because he already has Dat-Hatian's canceling ability which Peter absorbed in season 2, does that mean even Dat-Hatian cannot even stop him? I doubt it. If Dat-Hatian can get close enough, somebody else can come in, and feed Father Peterelli some led.

An oft used definition of "anti-hero" is one who works towards a laudable goal, except that he is willing to flounce other people's sensibilities to do it. This is definitely Noah's description. Noah's willingness to eliminate Sylar however is born out of the attack on Claire.Did anyone else notice that when Skylar was talking to Claire he mentioned he felt sorry for her because she was in so much pain? I think Skylar used his ability to "fix" things to cure Claire of her pain and he is, therefore, the reason she can no longer feel pain. Since he caused it, he could probably fix it, if Claire would think to ask him.

Did anyone else notice that when Skylar was talking to Claire he mentioned he felt sorry for her because she was in so much pain? I think Skylar used his ability to "fix" things to cure Claire of her pain and he is, therefore, the reason she can no longer feel pain. Since he caused it, he could probably fix it, if Claire would think to ask him.

I think your right on that one. One thing I would like to know....since Peter absorbed Sylar's powers and with it got his craving for killing, and Arthur Patrelli absorbed Peter's powers, does that mean Daddy Patrelli has the craving now?

(is it just me or does the actor that plays Arthur Patrelli kinda resemble the dad from "The Waltons"?

We've discussed Father Patrelli's power over Sylar's cravings. Claire's inability to feel pain being a new thing is very strange. The show never specified it, but everybody pretty much concluded that she couldn't feel pain from the first episode. Now we are finding out that all this time, she was able to feel the pain of all those things that happened to her. Not very good acting or directing because nothing in any previous episode indicated Claire ever felt pain.

Interesting. So another artist dead. Whay do they hate the artists? So Father Petrelli can take powers from people, but what all powers has he taken? Why in the hell did Thompson let Meredith go? Wasn't he the one who ordered Claude and HRG to take the baby? Or did I forget something? Claire just seems to be popping up with new uncles left and right. First Sylar. Now Flint.

WTF was shooting man all about? My power is to shoot things with my finger. Wipitty woop. I thought Sylar had an ice power. Did they never explain where that came from?

I actually thought that the goth dude would have been the guy Syler got his telekinesis from...a telekinetic would be able to cause objects to shatter not so? But alas I was wrong.

Lix: I think Thompson had the hots for Meredith lol.

Interesting. So another artist dead. Whay do they hate the artists? So Father Petrelli can take powers from people, but what all powers has he taken? Why in the hell did Thompson let Meredith go? Wasn't he the one who ordered Claude and HRG to take the baby? Or did I forget something? Claire just seems to be popping up with new uncles left and right. First Sylar. Now Flint.

WTF was shooting man all about? My power is to shoot things with my finger. Wipitty woop. I thought Sylar had an ice power. Did they never explain where that came from?

Sylar got his ice power as well as most of his other powers from the killing rampage he went on in the first season. So Claire can never die or age?

EDIT: Apparantly the shooting power is shattering. Sylar never used it.

I actually thought that the goth dude would have been the guy Syler got his telekinesis from...a telekinetic would be able to cause objects to shatter not so? But alas I was wrong.

Lix: I think Thompson had the hots for Meredith lol.
You must have missed the episode in the first season where Sylar kills the dude to get Telekenesis.

I must have! Either that or I've seniled it out of my head...

Sylar got his ice power as well as most of his other powers from the killing rampage he went on in the first season. So Claire can never die or age?

The Heroes Wiki website says that the only powers that Sylar retained were telekinesis and "intuitive aptitude" (http://heroeswiki.com/Sylar).

All others were lost after he was infected.

~String

I think that website also claims that the web comics do not count as part of the storyline which is completely not the case. The online comics are all part of the Heroes storyline. Everything that happens im the show and in the comics are meant to coincide.

I don't know where in the actual storyline canon it depicts that Sylar actually lost all those powers. In fact, he had some of them in the future timeline that Peter visited, so I think it would be safe to assume, even if that timeline gets changed, Sylar still has all those powers dormant.

The Heroes Wiki website says that the only powers that Sylar retained were telekinesis and "intuitive aptitude" (http://heroeswiki.com/Sylar).

All others were lost after he was infected.

~String

Why is telekinesis the only power that Sylar retained? I mean I understand him keeping his original powers, but why the telekinesis? He obviously stole it.

They never mention a reason about why tk manifested as far as I know. It just seems to be his signature power even though it isn't his original one.

How else would he dramatically slice open a skull? :)

Why is telekinesis the only power that Sylar retained? I mean I understand him keeping his original powers, but why the telekinesis? He obviously stole it.

Because when he gets his powers back, he's able to immediately move that can in the alley and says, "I'm back..." (last scene of the season). I tend to agree with the fact that he doesn't have all of his powers. His hearing certainly isn't that great (Claire snuck up on him and knocked him in the head, for example), I've yet to see him use his nuclear abilities when they certainly would have come in handy.

~String

Was there a change in writers for this show? It seems as if the show is evolving alot differently than it seemed to be as originally written.

Was there a change in writers for this show? It seems as if the show is evolving alot differently than it seemed to be as originally written.

Tim Kring is still the executive producer and head writer. A series like this usually has writers come and go as if it were a turnstiles. It's up to the creator, executive producer and head writer (who all happen to be the same guy) to keep the show heading in a good direction. Usually a show like this runs out of steam pretty quickly because the novelty wears off. We get sick of "Parkman reading minds..." and "Sylar stealing powers..." after a while so he/they have to add a lot of plot twists to keep it interesting.

~Strig

WTF is coming?

Whatever happened to Molly btw? In the first episode of season 3, Mohinder talk about how Molly was sent on a flight where she'll be safe. Weak.

They still never mentioned what happened to Peter's girlfriend that got left in the future.

Didn't that 9 wonders comic book end when Isaac died?

What's with the African artist? Didn't he get his head chopped off by father Petrelli?

Why did Fahter Petrelli let Angela go anyway? Uncle Flint and his friend are after Claire? Is it because they know that she's the catalyst? Did Sylar tell on her? What makes her so sure she is it anyway? It appears Father Petrelli has That-Hatian's power. Therefore, he can cancel everybody's power anytime.

I'm not too happy about Sylar having Peter's ability now. He never had that before. Nor am I too pleased with Sylar being their brother? It's all uncalled for nonsense. What is the point of Sylar getting psychometric powers if he never uses it anyway?

What is going to happen to Mohinder? Why isn't he running around putting people in cacoons?

How did Nathan rever from the assasination?

So they just wrote Jessica out of the whole story as Niki's split personality. Then they killed Nikki. Now Micah and Monica are running around doing what? And who is Barbara supposed to be?

When are West and Zach going to duke it out over who's the gayest?

What exactly is Angela's power?

Claude has been in every episode so far clearly doing a wonderful job with his powers.

WTF is coming?
The eclipse that will strip them of their powers. Didn't you watch the episode preview? ;)

Didn't that 9 wonders comic book end when Isaac died?
Perhaps he saw more into the future than we believe!

What's with the African artist? Didn't he get his head chopped off by father Petrelli?
He did indeed. But we don't know what his power was. His ability to paint the future was most likely induced by eating dung. :D

It appears Father Petrelli has That-Hatian's power. Therefore, he can cancel everybody's power anytime.
I don't recall any moment that showed him having the ability to directly cancel people's powers with his presence. Remember, he can only have a power through Peter's collection or through taking them. The Haitian still has his power and Peter's empathy powers couldn't work near him. Therefore the Haitian's ability is safe.

What is going to happen to Mohinder? Why isn't he running around putting people in cacoons?
He's busy getting the formula to work. His monstrosity came with his want to find a cure. If he's working on what he wants, I doubt he needs to cocoon people for fun. :p

How did Nathan rever from the assasination?
Rever? Recover? Ah, I totally forgot about that!

So they just wrote Jessica out of the whole story as Niki's split personality. Then they killed Nikki. Now Micah and Monica are running around doing what?
Micah is mourning. Probably either lives with Monica or some foster home. Don't think they ever revealed, but we saw Micah at Nikki's funeral.

And who is Barbara supposed to be?
We'll find out when they kill off Tracy and replace her with Barbara. 0:^)

What exactly is Angela's power?
Dreaming the future. This explains why Peter kept seeing the future.

Peter had That-Hatian's power for a long time. However, Father Petrelli has demonstrated that exact same power in the prequel episode. Thus, it is quite possible that That-Hatian also has the power to absorb the powers of others.

Peter had That-Hatian's power for a long time. However, Father Petrelli has demonstrated that exact same power in the prequel episode. Thus, it is quite possible that That-Hatian also has the power to absorb the powers of others.
I also don't recall Peter ever having that power. Can you tell me which episode(s) you're thinking of?

Also, I do not recall Arthur Petrelli using the ability to stem abilities. I remember the Haitian BEING there when Angela poisoned him, so that he couldn't read her mind...

Ohhh. You're thinking of his telepathy. Advanced telepathy has the ability to suppress memories as well, is what I took it as. Sure both erase memories, but only the Haitian can null powers in proximity. Otherwise, if Arthur had it, you would think he could cancel out the Haitian when he stood at the dinner table.

Peter never absorbed the Haitian's power. Nobody can. He neutralizes all powers when they are in his presence.

~String

Whatever happened to Molly btw? In the first episode of season 3, Mohinder talk about how Molly was sent on a flight where she'll be safe. Weak.

I imagine this loose end will be tied up. Molly is probably with some safehouse agent or someone that Matt knows.


Didn't that 9 wonders comic book end when Isaac died?

I thought the same thing, til I realised we actually don't know how many comics he turned over to his publisher. Easy plot device I guess...


What's with the African artist? Didn't he get his head chopped off by father Petrelli?

His katra probably lives on in Matt...similar to the echo of Arthur that was controlling Angela.


What is going to happen to Mohinder? Why isn't he running around putting people in cacoons?

I'm actually less happy about Mohinder than Sylar. Sylar is easily manipulated by stronger willed folks, but Mohinder has always been the unwavering humanitarian.



So they just wrote Jessica out of the whole story as Niki's split personality. Then they killed Nikki. Now Micah and Monica are running around doing what?

I figure Micah and Monica are also written out by association.


When are West and Zach going to duke it out over who's the gayest?

The character West is straight, although I think he's the cuter one. LOL.


Claude has been in every episode so far clearly doing a wonderful job with his powers.

Cute. lol

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Why would Arthur leave an obvious threat like Hiro alive? It should have been very easy for him to destroy Hiro.

If Claire is the catalyst, does this mean that Sylar should at least know how to be the catalyst himself?

Nice line up at the end of E9, showing corresponding good-evil characters. Nice build up to the showdown.

Why would Arthur leave an obvious threat like Hiro alive? It should have been very easy for him to destroy Hiro.
Well, even though he stated he was just going to erase his memories, we don't know actually how he was going to finish the job. First Arthur was distracted by the eclipse painting and then Ando pushed Hiro out of the way and forced him to teleport.

If Claire is the catalyst, does this mean that Sylar should at least know how to be the catalyst himself?
I don't think that's how his powers work. So far, even though he knows how things work (to an extent), he has shown only to be able to replicate powers, not any other special properties.

Why would Arthur leave an obvious threat like Hiro alive? It should have been very easy for him to destroy Hiro.
Well, even though he stated he was just going to erase his memories, we don't know actually how he was going to finish the job. First Arthur was distracted by the eclipse painting and then Ando pushed Hiro out of the way and forced him to teleport.

Naw...it should have been easier for Arthur to win...I realise that him not destroying Hiro and Ando is necessary to the plot.


If Claire is the catalyst, does this mean that Sylar should at least know how to be the catalyst himself?
I don't think that's how his powers work. So far, even though he knows how things work (to an extent), he has shown only to be able to replicate powers, not any other special properties.

Ah! The catalyst would be a DNA encoding or something of the sort that Sylar could "read", but not replicate :)

How did father Petrelli get in contact with brother hatian? What is their relationship? Why is brother hatian trying to gun down his own brother?

It seems a little off that everybody can just lose their power like that out of nowhere. Does that mean no adventuring everytime there is an eclipse? Doesn't eclipse only occur in certain area?

If Daphne is parapalegic, she souldn't be able to run even with super speed powers. A parapalegic with super speed is still a cripple.

How did father Petrelli get in contact with brother hatian? What is their relationship? Why is brother hatian trying to gun down his own brother?

I think the Haitian brothers were always at war...the one with the armor skin became a terrorist that his bro kept trying to stop. Arthur merely became aware of Nathan's plan, and used Jessica-clone's political links to get in contact with Armor-Haitian.


It seems a little off that everybody can just lose their power like that out of nowhere. Does that mean no adventuring everytime there is an eclipse? Doesn't eclipse only occur in certain area?

The darkeneing effect of an eclipse can only be visible from a certain area. However changed magnetic fields and possible other exotic radiation would be felt everywhere. They are probably alluding to something of the sort.



If Daphne is parapalegic, she souldn't be able to run even with super speed powers. A parapalegic with super speed is still a cripple.

This may be a side effect of her powers...imagine the demand on her leg muscles to move that quickly. It appears from her comment "it's happening again" that she has to restrain herself from superspeed when her muscles become damaged, at least until they heal.

Aaagh! Nathan is joining Pinehearst... and is Peter ever going to get his powers back? seriously, I will be pissed off if they don't come back sooner or later...

And what is the Haitian's brother's power? (Sendi, I think his name is??)

I loved how Hiro just popped up in the Bennets' house and removed Sylar and Elle.

And Sylar is going to remain evil. I thought he was going to become a "good guy" but it appears he'll be rampaging around dissecting brains again.

And I though Mohinder was turning into some sort of human spider... but he's growing scales, and they always play a hissing sound in the background when it shows it him... so is he a spider or a gecko or what?

Aaagh! Nathan is joining Pinehearst... and is Peter ever going to get his powers back? seriously, I will be pissed off if they don't come back sooner or later...

Here's hoping that the eclipse reset his powers and he will realise next week that he has learned to fly once more.


And what is the Haitian's brother's power? (Sendi, I think his name is??)

He was unbreakable. Physically anyway :D


I loved how Hiro just popped up in the Bennets' house and removed Sylar and Elle.

Hiro can be frickin' great sometimes. Future Hiro loses the innocence that can be annoying in our present Hiro.


And Sylar is going to remain evil. I thought he was going to become a "good guy" but it appears he'll be rampaging around dissecting brains again.

Were it not for Angela and Arthur's playing his psychological linchpin he'd have remained so all the time.



Other comments: clearly I was wrong about Speedster...her ability overcame her initial handicap...cerebral palsy. However since Daphne's handicap is the fault of a brain disconnection, an ability can override or perhaps reroute motor functions. Her leg muscles would be fine.

WTF? They said that Hiro never had dialogue with Claire before? I don't remember the old eps anymore, but I thought they had encounter. Or was it an episode set in the future? Don't remember.

How did Hiro even know Sylar was there? And why would he TP Sylar and Electroid to the same location? Why didn't he fight Sylar is he knew Sylar was a nemesis? Why is Hiro even traveling all over the place. All he had to do was follow the Petrellis to meet That-Hatian so he could give Hiro his memories back.

How can an eclipse just take away people's powers? Mohinder is an idiot.

Hiro and Peter have no powers.

While this show is good and fun for the most part, there has been lots of really weak writing since the first season. It really doesn't make sense that mom sense Peter after pops with the gun when dat-hatian was standing right there. All she had to do was give dat-hatian the gun, and send him off on a mission to kill Father Petrelli. No big flipping deal, and totally no reason for Peter do be the one to do it. Furthermore, totally no reason for Peter to want to kill his own pops.

And all of a sudden, Dat-Hatian has to put extra effort into canceling powers. What a load of crock. Dat-Hatian has a major advantage. He can cancel other's powers while still keeping the power to erase memories. That is major. So now he is claiming that Father is too powerful? This is nonsensical.

On top of all that, Father has Adams powers. In case anybody didn't notice, a bullet to the head might as well pop itself out. It also seems weird that Sylar managed to get Claire's ability after the whole first season was spent trying to prevent that.

So the only way for Hiro to make it back to the future is for Ando to get super powers and rescue him. That would be kewl. For a supporting character, Ando sure has had more lines and been in more episodes than some of these other main characters.

But what about Mohinder? Why did he inject the syrup into some white dude instead of use it to cure himself?

So Father Peterelli lets Claire live for what? This is just like the pointless episode when he erased Hiro's memory. Why the hell would he send his cronies to look for the catalyst in the first place. He has all of Peter's powers. He can do pretty much anything. Is there really any point in breeding super soldiers when he has all these powers?

All he had to do was kill Hiro. Then go back in time to steal the catalyst from Mumma Nakamura. Then use his TP powers to go to the desert, and kill Hiro. Why not just kill Hiro, Mya, and Claire when he had the chance? And then Nathan came back talking all kinds of shit. He could have killed Nathan on the spot. This makes no sense.

How did Hiro even know Sylar was there? And why would he TP Sylar and Electroid to the same location? Why didn't he fight Sylar is he knew Sylar was a nemesis? Why is Hiro even traveling all over the place. All he had to do was follow the Petrellis to meet That-Hatian so he could give Hiro his memories back.

Hiro didn't know...he had gone for Claire based on the 9th Wonders comic. He popped in behind Sylar and saw him attacking Noah, so removed him and Elle (who was holding Noah's wife) from the picture.


How can an eclipse just take away people's powers? Mohinder is an idiot.

Like Mohinder said...any kind of reason...extra exotic radiation, magnetic field shift...the writers took artistic licence with that one I figure.

Hiro and Peter have no powers.

While this show is good and fun for the most part, there has been lots of really weak writing since the first season. It really doesn't make sense that mom sense Peter after pops with the gun when dat-hatian was standing right there. All she had to do was give dat-hatian the gun, and send him off on a mission to kill Father Petrelli. No big flipping deal, and totally no reason for Peter do be the one to do it. Furthermore, totally no reason for Peter to want to kill his own pops.

Nah...the Peter thing was for the Sylar drama. There had to be a setup for Sylar to kill Arthur.


And all of a sudden, Dat-Hatian has to put extra effort into canceling powers. What a load of crock. Dat-Hatian has a major advantage. He can cancel other's powers while still keeping the power to erase memories. That is major. So now he is claiming that Father is too powerful? This is nonsensical.

I agree with this! We all thought the Haitian's cancellative powers were autonomic. Having it be a conscious effort now is a change, and it was so that Sylar's powers wouldn't be cancelled out while Arthur's were.


On top of all that, Father has Adams powers. In case anybody didn't notice, a bullet to the head might as well pop itself out. It also seems weird that Sylar managed to get Claire's ability after the whole first season was spent trying to prevent that.

The Haitian would also cancel out Adam's immortality. Note that when Arthur removed Adam's power, Adam instantly decayed from old age.

Also, Adam and Claire are both succeptible to brain injury. That's the one thing they won't come back from.


So the only way for Hiro to make it back to the future is for Ando to get super powers and rescue him. That would be kewl. For a supporting character, Ando sure has had more lines and been in more episodes than some of these other main characters.

Ando is a great supporting character.


But what about Mohinder? Why did he inject the syrup into some white dude instead of use it to cure himself?

In case it didn't work. Mohinder made the mistake once, he isn't about to do it again. Now that he knows it works...he'll probably take a dose next. My question is though...why super strength again?


So Father Peterelli lets Claire live for what? This is just like the pointless episode when he erased Hiro's memory. Why the hell would he send his cronies to look for the catalyst in the first place. He has all of Peter's powers. He can do pretty much anything. Is there really any point in breeding super soldiers when he has all these powers?

From what I gather, Arthur wanted to be the one in control of everyone with superhuman abilities.


All he had to do was kill Hiro. Then go back in time to steal the catalyst from Mumma Nakamura. Then use his TP powers to go to the desert, and kill Hiro. Why not just kill Hiro, Mya, and Claire when he had the chance? And then Nathan came back talking all kinds of shit. He could have killed Nathan on the spot. This makes no sense.

I'm actually vexed at what the writers did to Hiro. Hiro knew what Arthur could do, yet still stood there posturing all "I'm strong enough to defend the cheerleader and the catalyst", instead of hightailing his ass out of there...he could have even LEFT Claire and retrieved her from a couple seconds earlier.

The one thing I'm really tired of is Hiro being the comic relief...lol.

Didn't Mohinder Suresh already make a "cure" for super powers. Isn't that how they took Sylar's powers away? Albeit temporary, how come he didn't use that formula again to cure himself? That was bugging me.

I agree with this! We all thought the Haitian's cancellative powers were autonomic. Having it be a conscious effort now is a change, and it was so that Sylar's powers wouldn't be cancelled out while Arthur's were.I don't agree that this is necessarily a change. Consider breathing, normally it's completely automatic. But run as fast as you can for a few minutes and suddenly you're gasping for air. What I'm saying is, everyone the Haitan had previously dealt with was so easy to suppress that is was effortless and automatic; but Authur was so powerful that the Haitan actually had to strain to suppress his powers. For the first time, his power required a conscious effort.
The Haitian would also cancel out Adam's immortality. Note that when Arthur removed Adam's power, Adam instantly decayed from old age.Yes, but also remember that when Skylar and Claire died without their powers, they immediately came back to life once their powers were restored.
Also, Adam and Claire are both succeptible to brain injury. That's the one thing they won't come back from.What about the fact that when Skylar has Clair's skullcap removed exposing her brain, he said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to. Clearly, if she's suspectable to brain injury, he could have killed her. Also, what about her "dad"? He was shot in the eye and her blood brought him back to life. Surely some brain injury is involved when a bullet passes thru your eye!
From what I gather, Arthur wanted to be the one in control of everyone with superhuman abilities.Now that doesn't make sense either. Author's going around killing everyone with powers or, at least, taking their powers so that he can then institute his grand plan to GIVE EVERYONE SUPERPOWERS????? How does that make fucking sense?

Dat-Hatian's powers were never automatic/uncontrollable. He can control the canceling, but it never took crazy effort. There is no way to fight it. He either cancels the person in vicinity or not. It doesn't matter how powerful the mutant is. There is no way he can do anything if his powers are canceled.

Then there is the other episode in which Mr. Bennet didn't take extra precautions to make sure Skylar was dead for good. Why would he go and assassinate Skylar, and leave him there knowing full well that Skylar will come back to life as soon as the power outage ends? Any idiot would not take the chance. Especially a professional. If he is supposed to be trying to kill Skylar, he should have done it in a way that would prevent Skylar from ever coming back in the case that the power outage was temporary. Which it was.

Dat-Hatian's powers were never automatic/uncontrollable. He can control the canceling, but it never took crazy effort. There is no way to fight it. He either cancels the person in vicinity or not. It doesn't matter how powerful the mutant is. There is no way he can do anything if his powers are canceled.

Then there is the other episode in which Mr. Bennet didn't take extra precautions to make sure Skylar was dead for good. Why would he go and assassinate Skylar, and leave him there knowing full well that Skylar will come back to life as soon as the power outage ends? Any idiot would not take the chance. Especially a professional. If he is supposed to be trying to kill Skylar, he should have done it in a way that would prevent Skylar from ever coming back in the case that the power outage was temporary. Which it was.

How would he prevent Sylar from coming back? As long as mutants like Sylar or Claire have their powers, they can't die and if they do it's only temporary until their bodies regenerate.

How would he prevent Sylar from coming back? As long as mutants like Sylar or Claire have their powers, they can't die and if they do it's only temporary until their bodies regenerate.Dismember him. Cut off his head, arms, legs. Bury them in seperate places. Better yet, disolve his body in acid. You could also use those beetles used to clean the flesh off of bones, or piranahs. Drop him into the mouth of an active volcano. Drop him into molten steel ala terminator 2. Lots of ways.:cool:

a gunshot to the head does indeed kill even a regenerating hero - remember, that was what Adam told Peter in the episode where they were working together to get the virus, and they went to that red-haired lady's house in Vermont or something, and she pulled a shotgun on them. Adam told Peter, be careful, you cant survive a bullet to the brain.

im wondering how the heck arthur traveled back in time and stole hiro's power?? he did not have time travel ability... how did he appear 16 years back to steal Hiro's power and the catalyst? And why did he not kill Claire?

im wondering how the heck arthur traveled back in time and stole hiro's power?? he did not have time travel ability
Yes he did. He stole all of Peter's abilities.

a gunshot to the head does indeed kill even a regenerating hero - remember, that was what Adam told Peter in the episode where they were working together to get the virus, and they went to that red-haired lady's house in Vermont or something, and she pulled a shotgun on them. Adam told Peter, be careful, you cant survive a bullet to the brain.

im wondering how the heck arthur traveled back in time and stole hiro's power?? he did not have time travel ability... how did he appear 16 years back to steal Hiro's power and the catalyst? And why did he not kill Claire?

Why does being shot in the back of the head kill you, but not a large piece of glass shoved into the back of your head? (back when Peter discovered how to use Claire's powers) And Arthur got shot in the forehead and he died. There are some inconsistencies here.

Yes he did. He stole all of Peter's abilities.

oh yeah... i forgot about that.

Why does being shot in the back of the head kill you, but not a large piece of glass shoved into the back of your head? (back when Peter discovered how to use Claire's powers) And Arthur got shot in the forehead and he died. There are some inconsistencies here.

hmm... possibly different amounts/types of damage from glass shards versus a bullet. cause i mean, glass just goes in and cuts through the brain tissue. but a bullet is hot, right? so it rips through the tissue and burns away the brain matter. different types of damage, and the bullet wound would be harder to recover from. just a thought, no idea for the real reason

Something has to be in the brain for the person to be dead. If the bullet is taken out of the brain, the person heals.

Maybe they will inject Peter and Hiro so they can get their powers back. All Skylar needs to do is crack open a brain everytime a new white super soldier gets a power. Furthermore, there is no way Skylar could have walked into the room to stop the bullet if Dat-Hatian was there cancelling everybody's powers.

Something has to be in the brain for the person to be dead. If the bullet is taken out of the brain, the person heals.

Maybe they will inject Peter and Hiro so they can get their powers back. All Skylar needs to do is crack open a brain everytime a new white super soldier gets a power. Furthermore, there is no way Skylar could have walked into the room to stop the bullet if Dat-Hatian was there cancelling everybody's powers.

I think they tried to explain that whole event with the Haitian being tired from trying to contain Arthur's powers. He gave out or was overly focused on Arthur which allowed Sylar to use his powers to find out what he wanted to know and then finish the job. Sylar is such a moody weirdo, but I like him.