HonorAndStrength
10-07-06, 08:59 PM
friend needed answer, its been solved now, ty
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View Full Version : Help me with this Calculus problem HonorAndStrength 10-07-06, 08:59 PM friend needed answer, its been solved now, ty James R 10-08-06, 02:04 AM What have you done so far? Facial 10-08-06, 02:20 AM Will you need to know the mass? Zephyr 10-08-06, 04:23 PM Which of Newton's 'laws' do you think might be useful in part 2? Roman 10-08-06, 04:37 PM What's tanh(x+C)? Is that supposed to be tan(x+C), or the tangent of [h(x+C)]? Zephyr 10-08-06, 04:54 PM tanh is the "hyperbolic tan" function. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HyperbolicTangent.html alyosha 10-08-06, 05:29 PM For the second part, it looks like a differential equation that I either don't know how to solve or have forgotten how. ma = F + kv^2 Where a, the acceleration, is the second derivative of the position function with respect to time, and v, the velocity, is the first derivative. Roman 10-08-06, 05:50 PM tanh is the "hyperbolic tan" function. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HyperbolicTangent.html Ugh. Nevermind then. D H 10-08-06, 08:09 PM For the second part, it looks like a differential equation that I either don't know how to solve or have forgotten how. ma = F + kv^2 Where a, the acceleration, is the second derivative of the position function with respect to time, and v, the velocity, is the first derivative. I suspect you mean ma = F - kv^2. Air drag makes things slow down, not speed up. Look at the mathworld web site that Zephyr pointed out. It has the answer to your question. Pete 10-08-06, 09:47 PM It could be correct, if it's an object being slowed by reverse thrust + parachute, or something. D H 10-08-06, 11:08 PM It could be correct, if it's an object being slowed by reverse thrust + parachute, or something. If that were the case he wouldn't have got the tanh solution. That solution arises from m*dv/dt = F - kv^2. alyosha 10-09-06, 12:24 AM Hey, I didn't come up with the formula! heh. D H 10-09-06, 06:52 AM Hey, I didn't come up with the formula! heh. Nonsense results arise if both F and k are positive. In particular, the speed will reach infinity in a finite time. Equations of motion: dx/dt = v m dv/dt = F + k*v^2 with initial states at t=0 given by x=x0, v=v0 Suppose F,k are both positive. Define v_c = sqrt(F/k) t_c = m/sqrt(F*k) u = v/v_c u0 = v0/v_c tau = t/t_c Dividing both sides of the velocity equation of motion by v_c yields du/dt = sqrt(k/F)*F/m + sqrt(k/F)*k/m*F/k*u^2 or du/dt = 1/t_c*(1+u^2) du/dtau = du/dt*dt/tau = 1+u^2 which has solution u(tau) = tan(tau+atan(u0)) or v(t) = v_c*tan(t/t_c+atan(v0/v_c)) The velocity goes to infinity as t -> t_c*(pi/2-atan(v0/v_c)) If k is negative, the trigonometric functions become hyperbolic functions by Osborne's Rule -- or just rewrite as m dv/dt = F - k*v^2 HonorAndStrength 10-09-06, 12:17 PM edited : fixed now Pete 10-09-06, 05:15 PM Hi HonorAndStrength, Replacing the whole original post is kind of bad form. It ruins the historical record of the discussion. Adding a note after the original question would be better. Something like this: Short question: find the integral of tanh(x + C) with respect to x. Long question: given that the force on an object is F + kv^2, where F is some arbitrary (but constant) force, k is a constant coefficient, and v is the velocity of the object, find the distance the object has travelled after t seconds. Edit: friend needed answer, its been solved now, ty |