Help me plan!

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by Norsefire, May 6, 2009.

  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Now, I've got a fairly average body. Nothing too impressive, but I do workout every now and again.

    However, I really want to build some decent muscle in my arms and get ripped abs. I know that in order to do this, I need to both build muscle and lose any fat covering the belly at the same time.

    What do I do, though?

    The main issue is dietary. What foods should I avoid and what foods should I eat? How often?

    I'm thinking eating more frequently but smaller meals is better than massive meals with alot of time in between. However, what foods?

    And as for the exercise regimen, how often and what exercises specifically? Preferably these are exercises I can do at home, but I do have access to a gym if necessary.


    I know that larger muscles burn more calories and so can aid in reducing fat, so should I focus on building muscle + a few intense cardiovascular workouts?


    Thanks for the help
     
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  3. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    consistency... upper body one day ..lower the next
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The most physically fit people in the world are ballet dancers. Just copy their workouts and diets and you will stay fit for a very long time.

    "Ballet and jazz require the most flexibility, ballet, jazz and modern require the most endurance, and from what I can see from watching, hip-hop requires a lot of endurance but the least flexibility. The latter depends of course on the choreographer, and the look he/she wants.

    Latin and/or ballroom, traditionally, has not required any of the physical requirements of ballet. In recent years, I have been disappointed to see professional ballet couples competing and taking the prizes in Latin contests. It really isn't fair. Just my opinion. In Latin dancing it is the knowledge of the style, and presentation that matters.

    Ballet is traditionally the most particular art form for physique. Choreographers mostly prefer the long lean look, and they prefer women to be very narrow in the hips. Skinny actually. Men can be more muscular, but still the longer slender ones get cast as the princes. Long necks, short waists and long legs are preferred in ballet, even though the traditional ballets were all choreographed on much stockier dancers. Fashions change.

    Highly arched feet are also preferred in ballet, even though lesser arches get stronger earlier in training. Flexible ankles to give a strong curve are also the fashion.

    In the early days of modern dance, such as in the early Martha Graham days, those dancers did not need to look like ballet dancers, the priority was the presentation of her peculiar movements that evolved into a technique. However, by the early 1970's, ballet dancers were getting into modern dance companies and the seduction of the longer leaner look and balletic flexibility influenced the modern choreographers. So much for the purity, etc.



    Dancers in a professional company usually rehearse 8 hours a day. When performing they may do eight performances a week. The principal dancer roles will be less frequent and they are more demanding.

    Except in the larger companies, many dancers rehearse eight hours a day, or perform, and maintain an outside work schedule as well. Just imagine where their stamina is at!

    Dancers will try to eat lean proteins, with lots of vegetables and salads. They will often use high-content protein powders with vitamins and minerals as snacks. Most will avoid grains because of the high carbohydrate content. However, dancing is also the arena for eating disorders, and some dancers will get obsessive and be thin from losing their muscle mass, bingeing and purging or just starving themselves. But that subject, and drug use, is another project! Desperation and lack of education may lead some people down that path.

    Constant hydration is also a factor. Loss of fluid can cause muscle cramps.

    Vitamin deficiencies such as calcium and magnesium can also cause muscle cramps, poor sleep, and constant pain. B Complex deficiencies can lead to nervousness and stress disorders. Smart dancers take natural vitamin supplements. Especially since dancers tend to avoid grains, which have a high content of B vitamins, B Complex deficiency is common. Thus the "over-sensitive artist" syndrome.

    The competitive nature of dancing also leads to stress. A lot of dancers use meditation or visualization techniques to learn to relax both physically and mentally."

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Ballet-3159/diet-energy-requirements.htm
     
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  7. otheadp Banned Banned

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    you have to do full-body workouts and keep changing your routines so your body doesn't get used to it and adjust to "preserve" and protect itself from strains.

    you have to build up muscle and then do light interval training so that the built up muscle can burn your fat more efficiently. the more muscle you have, no matter which muscle, the faster you will burn whatever fat you have. so if you have 150 lbs / 30 lbs of muscle/fat respectively, and someone else has 200 / 30, and you both do the same exercises for 1 week, and everything else is kept equal (diet, rest, etc.), the 2nd person will lose more fat, because more fat will be used up to deliver energy to his muscles.

    building muscle:
    some of the most effective ways to build muscle are the most basic ones: pushups, situps, chinups (those are hard for me personally), and other similar exercises that don't require gym memberships, weights, etc.

    for example, basic pushups work out primarily your chest and triceps, which are 2 completely different muscle groups, and a bunch of other secondary muscle groups - forearms, a bit of biceps... it's quite incredible. you don't even have to do too many. do like - 10 every hour or 2 hours. before you know it (like a week) you're doing 20. then it's 30. this is from personal experience.

    but to build serious muscle (not "ripped" muscle, but the one i was talking about earlier - just to build mass) you need to work your ass - gluteus maximus and leg muscles such as quads. they are the biggest muscles in your body and gain mass the fastest, i find.

    now, this is important to lose weight: during your workouts - do the muscle workout FIRST, and only then do the light interval training (cardio). yeah - you need to do both in the same session. working the muscles will use up your stored-for-short-term-use energy, and when you do the cardio, your body will use up your reserves (body fat), since the stored-for-short-term supply will be depleted by then.

    what is interval training?
    there are many variations, but this is what i personally call interval training: you get on a treadmill, you're already warmed up from the muscle workout, but you can stretch if you want to. do about a minute warmup pace, then increase it to a light jog (for me it's 5.5mph, but i'm tall... for you it can be 6, or 4.5... whatever you're comfortable with to start. you'll raise it gradually anyway as you get fitter so it really doesn't matter what you start with) do this for a minute. then for a minute increase it to like 8mph - sprint. then reduce it back to 5.5 for a minute. then bring it back to 8mph for a minute. then back to 5.5 for a minute. keep going back and forth in 1-minute intervals for 10-20 minutes, whatever is comfortable for you. that's all you need. there is no need to run for 60 minutes - you'll just be burning your muscles away. you can change it up in other sessions to 2 minute intervals, or 1.5 minute cardio with 30 second jog, and so forth.
    now, i find that when you do 10 minutes of interval training, time passes much much faster than when you do just 10 minutes of straight running at 6mph. it's an illusion, but it is true. usually i'm like "wow, that was fast."

    as you get in better shape you can increase your jog to 6mph, and your sprint to 10mph. up to you really. you'll get bored of 5.5/8 within a few sessions ... i.e. it will simply be too easy for you.

    anyway, this is a starter routine that is guaranteed to get you results within 2-3 sessions. yes, i said guaranteed. even if you don't work on your diet, you will see results. though you will also start eating healthier because psychologically after seeing results you wouldn't want to see these hard earned results be thrown away because of McD's, so you'll be pulled into eating healthier. it's like a snowball effect. within a few weeks of this, even only twice a week, you will see nice visible results on the scale, in the mirror, and with your own eyes: you'll be more toned, clothes will be more loose, you'll feel more confident... etc.

    i know it works for me, so i know it will work for others.

    there are other things to do in the gym which i also do, but this is the beginner program and works great by itself.

    i hope this helps

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    i forgot to mention a very important thing: if you're just starting to work out after leading an unhealthy life style for a while, there is one thing you have to do first. basically, your body is completely out of shape, and your muscles are simply not used to any strain. the first time you will work them out they will get such a shock to them that they will hurt and have lactic acid in them for days. sometimes it can get so bad that it's hard for you to move them. for me for example, if i don't do biceps for a few months, and then try to do my regular 4 sets of 10 of like even just 20 pounds, right off the bat, i know that first of all my biceps will hurt for about a week, and 2nd of all, they'll curl up and i won't be able to straighten my hands at all for also about a week. that's just how it is.

    what you have to do is to shock all of your muscles in your body, but gently. that way they won't hurt as much or will render you unable to freakin move, but at the same time they will "wake up" to exercise. so try to work out all of your muscles in the same first session. don't do too much weight and too many repetitions. even if you feel like you can push yourself to 100%, only push yourself to 70%.

    after you do this with different muscle groups - inner thighs, quads, glutes, ham strings, calfs, biceps, triceps, lower abs, upper abs, lower back, upper back, chest, deltoids (shoulders) front/center/rear ... then you should rest for up to a week. your body will hurt from the lactic acid being particularly nasty to your muscles just because you haven't worked out in ages, or for some people, ever. this should pass after 4-7 days. once this initial shock passes, you can start going to the gym regularly and challenging yourself more and more. your muscles will still ache after the workouts, but nowhere near as much as they will after that first "wake up" session.

    also, make sure you are doing the exercises with correct form so that you don't injure yourself. form is more important than weight.

    i am wondering if anyone is going to follow this advice and actually lose weight...

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    i've been away from the gym for about 2-3 months and got completely out of shape. i'll be doing exactly what i wrote above as of this coming monday and can even update my results in this thread

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  8. chris4355 Registered Senior Member

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    The most fun way to do it would be to pick up a physically demanding sport.

    I hate working out so I snowboard, drum, swim as much as I can to stay away from the gym.

    If you are looking for full on body building then working out is the only way to go however.
     
  9. justwonderingjoe Gosh,the weather is nice today Registered Senior Member

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    Start swimming.
     
  10. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Do some hiking, some pull-ups, some push-ups, etc. I'm working on door-trim pull-ups...

    When I can I try to do free-weight workouts.

    As far as diet.. I just eat a lot of fat and protein when I can... I try to get my carbs in only around workouts.
     
  11. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Avoid dairy and meat products...with the exception of cold water fish.

    Use raw cashews, pecans and green olives as snack foods.
     
  12. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    What about turkey and chicken? Those are fine, no?
     
  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Wow otheadp thanks for the detailed reply. I'm not out of shape or "overweight", I just have a few extra pounds that are keeping my muscles from really showing and that is what I want to lose.

    thanks though
     
  14. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    No...but wild fowl like Guinea Hens and Pheasant are far better than factory chickens.

    I included cold water fish because they are the best source of the long chain fatty acids EPA and DHA.

    Fish dont create it themselves but get it from algae.
     

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