I just thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Vlad... and that's about it really!
I have just made a new website and I am looking for some feedback on it. Please take a look and tell me what you think.

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wet1

that's a joke , right?! :bugeye:

A joke? no......

the link might be though to be a bit extreme Vlad. However it seems that some points are valid. Women rant on about trust etc yet when they are trusted they break this trust immediately. Is this why women are so desperate for trust?- over the centuries men have learnt not to trust women and so it has become rare ane therefore more valuable. They attempt to gain trust by telling lies. Lying and cheating is no basis for trust! in the future this helps us to see that the utter bollocks of 'trust' etc should not be trusted. They create distrust in trust itself.
In short efforts at trust should not be taken lightly (as it is by women). If trust is a platform to be built on then surely it must be more stable. To build a life on a platform which will then subsequently disappear is dangerous. But who says the platform will disappear some may ask. The platform will disappear when the trust is broken. To tell a person something private and sensitive is to trust that individual with your life, and for that individual to be 'so proud and joyous' at being trusted that they will exhibit this information like a trophy is frankly disgusting! It is also true that because {all} women react in this way that once one woman has told another, this information will spread like wildfire and eventually filter its way into the male population, placing the weakest part of the male into the lions mouth.
If women choose to use trust to participate in society then surely this platform should be more stable.However it is not. Instead Men must burden the whole of society on their shoulders yet when the women are granted some seniority they immediately place the society into danger by 'opening their big gobs'.
"If you want a woman to kep a secret:whisper it up her arse"-Billy Connelly

trust is indeed a very big issue with me. i feel that i can be trusted, but, unfortunately, i don't trust others; except for my father, i trust him about 98%. i think that the more you get burned in life, the less you are apt to trust. c'mon..baby light my fire. :rolleyes:

If you can be trusted pao shouldnt you expect the same level of trust from others?? I personally distrust both parents equally.

neville, you would think so, huh? i know...i realize the logic of what you are implying...but, i think my distrust stems from one burn too many. i am working on it, though. i have a tendency to shut people out...that way.....i won't get hurt. i need to learn to get a little bit closer to people. it's just that people(i'm generalizing here:p ) tend to be so darned annoying and obnoxious ....

HOWEVER....NOT on this board, mind you!:D

Originally posted by pumpkinsaren'torange
it's just that people(i'm generalizing here:p ) tend to be so darned annoying and obnoxious ....


*agreed*

On a sidenote i really hate it when a girl asks me if i want to buy her a drink. If i wanted to give her a drink i would have offered one wouldn't i? :)

:D



wanna buy me a drink??;)



seriously, though..i understand. i have been around girls like that in the nightclubs, who think that if they bat their eyelashes and ask sweetly for a drink, that the guy is just going to turn into some kind of sucker and buy it for her. however, i must tell you, MOST guys i have seen in this case scenario actually DO end up buying the girl a drink. i don't get it...why do you guys do that? me? i don't have the nerve to ask a guy to buy me a drink. it's just not me.

Ya atleast make sure we've spoken before you try to rip me off my money. And for the guys who do, well i think they try for the price. (hmm makes it sound like a lottery :P )

vlad

Please take a look and tell me what you think

The content of aggression is matched only by the ignorance.

Seek professional help.

(Q) you're so right!

I hate women, liberals, leftists, deconstructionists, gays, hippies and feminists.
do you hate ethnic minorities too? :rolleyes:


Leftists are the ultimate losers on the political scene. Mainly because they lament every problem in the world, but never actually offer any solutions. They will tell us war is wrong, but we all know they would not have a clue what to do if someone like Adolf Hitler tried to take over the world. They will tell us that gender inequality is unfair, when the clear and objective truth is that men and women are by definition unequal. Being a leftist is about being a self-righteous and indignant buffoon. It is about never offering anything constructive. It is rooted in cynicism, self hate and laziness. Leftists are too SCARED to confront hard pressing issues, so they just sit on the sideline and denounce everyone that isn't afraid to have a go. It is this mentality that has allowed illogical movements like feminism to thrive. Read this related article Leftism is RACISM

all of this is your unreasoned opinion, non of this is backed up with any fact at all. If you expect the members of sci to sit back and take all these opinions that you throw at us, i think you will be wrong.


ive got a really big feeling your site is a piss take cause its impossible for anyone to be this stupid

You're site is kinda funny as far as parodies of right-wing extremists go.
If it is seriously not a parody, then I'd tend to agree with (Q)

I hate women, liberals, leftists, deconstructionists, gays, hippies and feminists.

Wow. I'm a female anarco-democratic Nietzschean/Foucaultian bisexual feminist. My very existance must raise your blood pressure. :)

Parody or not, would a mod please remove this spam?

sorry very short attention span, big letters, few pics (hey it's Trent!!), but all in all some things you said some a bit of sense

Originally posted by (Q)
vlad

Please take a look and tell me what you think

The content of aggression is matched only by the ignorance.

Seek professional help.

Thankyou :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Captain_Crunch
do you hate ethnic minorities too? :rolleyes:




all of this is your unreasoned opinion, non of this is backed up with any fact at all. If you expect the members of sci to sit back and take all these opinions that you throw at us, i think you will be wrong.




Yes of course those are opinions. When were tallking about social science there are no rights/wrongs..just opinions. And I believe I did elaborate and back up those above opinions in other article's on the page. You can't just quote one section and say it's not based on fact.

Originally posted by Captain_Crunch
do you hate ethnic minorities too? :rolleyes:



You're site is kinda funny as far as parodies of right-wing extremists go.
If it is seriously not a parody, then I'd tend to agree with (Q)


It's not a parody. Parts of it are a made humerous, but that's just because feminists are so laughable.

Originally posted by Xev
Wow. I'm a female anarco-democratic Nietzschean/Foucaultian bisexual feminist.


Wow. You've somehow managed to personify every squalid and idiotic esctor of humanity simultaniously. well done.

Originally posted by psychomantyss
sorry very short attention span, big letters, few pics (hey it's Trent!!), but all in all some things you said some a bit of sense

Thanks. Actually most people that take the time to look closely, with an open mind, at what I'm, saying end up agreeing with me. And the people who don't never offer a valid reason why.

If one looks long enough, one may find some reason in this madness. But remember, it remains madness!

I'd like to add: I think you're the one with a very short attention span, Vlad, why else would one be dedicating a post to every single sentence?

You remind me of someone I know. He deliberately says things that he knows people will find offensive, whether he believes it or not, just to gain a reaction. He has no life; it is the only attention he can get, the only way he can feel special.

Originally posted by Merlijn
If one looks long enough, one may find some reason in this madness. But remember, it remains madness!

I'd like to add: I think you're the one with a very short attention span, Vlad, why else would one be dedicating a post to every single sentence?

What does that mean? I don't understand.

Originally posted by Adam
You remind me of someone I know. He deliberately says things that he knows people will find offensive, whether he believes it or not, just to gain a reaction. He has no life; it is the only attention he can get, the only way he can feel special.

You remind me of every idiot in the worl who presumes to know why people do things, but actualy doesn't know anything at all.

Yes of course those are opinions. When were tallking about social science there are no rights/wrongs..just opinions. And I believe I did elaborate and back up those above opinions in other article's on the page. You can't just quote one section and say it's not based on fact.

I just did quote a section and did say it isnt based on fact.

your a facist.

ooh look, i just did it again! ;) :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Captain_Crunch
do you hate ethnic minorities too?



You're site is kinda funny as far as parodies of right-wing extremists go.
If it is seriously not a parody, then I'd tend to agree with (Q)

you misquoted me. i didnt post this.

and why have you this annoying habit of posting multiple posts when you could just post many quotes in the one post?

Fight the power brother!

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Captain_Crunch


you misquoted me. i didnt post this.

and why have you this annoying habit of posting multiple posts when you could just post many quotes in the one post?

Fight the power brother!

:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

And you have the habit of making tedious and inconsequential points. We all have our faults sweety.

BTW guys, I just added a message board and a guestbook to my site. You're all welcome to post.

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wet1

And you have the habit of making tedious and inconsequential points. We all have our faults sweety.

:(

aww, i cant stay mad at you, come'ere, give us a hug. :D

It's good to see you're in touch with your feminine side. ;)

vlad

When were tallking about social science there are no rights/wrongs..just opinions. And I believe I did elaborate and back up those above opinions in other article's on the page.

Actually most people that take the time to look closely, with an open mind, at what I'm, saying end up agreeing with me. And the people who don't never offer a valid reason why.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Welcome Vlad, now tell us the truth, that you actually are a feminist who found this website, got outraged, and want to cause a massive protest action by posting as a chauvinist here.

Here's something for you.
http://www.raus.de/crashme

No, Vlad is not a fascist at all. He's just an idiot.

Vlad... a man definetly in touch with his anger. And this man is ANGRY!

He hates women, endorses abuse of women and is a narcissist who probably thinks is prettier than women. He's probably jealous that he wasn't born a woman. If he were, he thinks he'd probably be the best woman in the world... for him!

His opinions are so extreme that to describe him, the only words that come to mind are seriously, fucked, up and head!

He is the type of man that gives all men a bad name. But he ain't normal.

Vlad needs to seek help, but he probably won't. Because he ain't normal.

Vlad... just listen to yourself... you've got serious issues brother.

You endorse De Sade, porn and rape and quote the bible, all in the same breath and all TOTALLY out of context.

You are a sicko!

Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!
Get some help before you hurt someone!

Roses are red, violets are blue. I think you're loathsome, I really
do. Carnations are pink, lillies are white. I think you're a moron,
a present-day blight.

I think Vlad must be joking! If someone really did think all of that then they wouldnt issue a website on it. They would keep it to themselves.

i agree with nevilley

:bugeye:

:)

:m:

More posts with no substance? congratulations. You make it on to my moron section.
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wet1

Thanks Crunchy ;) lol

More posts with no substance?

Notice that the subject, who most likely is a law-abiding citizen, sees little wrong with their perceptions of hatred. Usually alcohol and drugs fuels this type of behavior but the main determinant is usually personal prejudice that blinds the aggressor to the immorality of what they're doing - a prejudice deep seeded in an environment which rejects with contempt anyone who is different or views that difference as threatening.

The subject, under the delusion society sanctions attacks on certain groups or individuals, perceives his prejudice as a societal permission to engage in expressing hatred and violence. The subject usually will not engage in random encounters with women but will most likely attack or threaten a former or current partner.

Thanks! http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/teufel/teufel019.gif

By Vlad: Here is an area to laugh at morons who do not get the plain obvious truth of my logic No logic has ever been presented! The only truth to be seen is the writers absolute hatred of women which has no basis or logic

Originally posted by (Q)
More posts with no substance?

Notice that the subject, who most likely is a law-abiding citizen, sees little wrong with their perceptions of hatred. Usually alcohol and drugs fuels this type of behavior but the main determinant is usually personal prejudice that blinds the aggressor to the immorality of what they're doing - a prejudice deep seeded in an environment which rejects with contempt anyone who is different or views that difference as threatening.

The subject, under the delusion society sanctions attacks on certain groups or individuals, perceives his prejudice as a societal permission to engage in expressing hatred and violence. The subject usually will not engage in random encounters with women but will most likely attack or threaten a former or current partner.

There is nothing at all wrong with hatred. Hatred is a perfectly natural thing. Liberals make us feel guilty for our personal preferences. I only hate because society has become a sheletered politicaly correct shithole. Society made me, I didn't make me.

Originally posted by Neville
No logic has ever been presented! The only truth to be seen is the writers absolute hatred of women which has no basis or logic

I have been about as logical as you can get. If you still can't see it it's not my fault.

By Vlad:society has become a sheletered politicaly correct So in what way has it been possible for you to post such shallow material on a website and on sciforums.

Originally posted by Neville
So in what way has it been possible for you to post such shallow material on a website and on sciforums.

Why don't you take a glance up at you own posts cowboy. They're hardly oozing depth.

Thats not the point! You said that society has become sheltered and politically correct. This is such a sheltered society that anyone, such as yourself, is free to display their thoughts where the majority of the society can read them and it is so politically correct that you are allowed to post any language you like!

There is nothing at all wrong with hatred. Hatred is a perfectly natural thing. Liberals make us feel guilty for our personal preferences. I only hate because society has become a sheletered politicaly correct shithole. Society made me, I didn't make me.

The subject, now completely intertwined in an anger-denial cycle, reinforces their behavior by suppressing or repressing the true nature of the anger and placing the blame not on the cause of their anger, but instead on another individual or group, in this case, society. They believe that their hatred is acceptable by displacing feelings of guilt with the blame they impose on others.

The denial to come to terms with the cause of the anger reinforces cognitive implications such as obsessing over thoughts of self-pity, injustice and revenge. Unwittingly, the obsessions add fuel to the anger hence the cycle repeats itself.

While the subject continues engulfed within this cycle, the suppressed/repressed anger festers and grows like an infection causing headaches, ulcers, anxiety and depression as a result of chemical changes in the brain.

It is not until the subject can deal directly with the cause of their anger such that they must understand there is little they can do without resorting to hatred and violent tendencies. Once this is achieved, most likely through professional counseling, the subject will then break the anger-denial cycle and move into a state of acceptance.

Q,

If the subject hates women that much, then he must, by extension hates his own momma - I mean mother. If the subject were to offer himself up for psychoanalysis, I believe his hatred towards women can be traced to a dynsfunctional relationship with his mother. What do you speculate the root cause to be - inability to grow out of the Oedipus complex phase? Abusive mother? Negligent mother?

Indeed, hate is natural. All emotions are. However as your case clearly demonstrates, hate is a counter-productive emotion in terms of evolution, and thus is what we call anti-social. You hate women; no women want to be with you; your bloodline ends. Simple. Such behaviours which are counter to survival in this manner are by definition anti-social. Is anti-social bad? Again, if you have trouble with the concept, I will explain in other words. Yes, anti-social is bad, as it means the death of your bloodline in extreme cases, which of course is antithetical to life. I'm sure you can figure it out.

Feel free to toss around the word "moron" if you wish, but this does not change the fact that your ideas, if taken to the logical conclusion, are in fact anti-life. Nor does your use of the word "moron" detract from the general impression that you are simply throwing out deliberately controversial words in an attempt to gain attenion, as some form of validation. I suspect you are upset because you have either never had a girlfriend or have recently been dumped.

*reads site*
Holy crap... You actually have a link "Who I Hate"!?!?:bugeye:

nice! good job, vlad. spicing things up around here i see.

Adam,
Given the bloodline argument, would you categorise homosexuality as behaviour that is counter to survival/anti-sosial?

You endorse De Sade, porn and rape and quote the bible, all in the same breath and all TOTALLY out of context.

You forgot NIN. I like Vlad, he's either mental or has a great sense of humour.

Vlad, what's your favorite halo and work of the Divine Marquis?

Wow. You've somehow managed to personify every squalid and idiotic esctor of humanity simultaniously. well done.

Thanks. :)

Edit to add:

There is nothing at all wrong with hatred. Hatred is a perfectly natural thing. Liberals make us feel guilty for our personal preferences. I only hate because society has become a sheletered politicaly correct shithole. Society made me, I didn't make me.

Very true.

"So much kindness, so much weakness do I see. So much justice and pity, so much weakness.
Round, fair, and considerate are they to one another, as grains of sand are round, fair, and considerate to grains of sand.
Modestly to embrace a small happiness—that do they call "submission"! and at the same time they peer modestly after a new small happiness.
In their hearts they want simply one thing most of all: that no one hurt them. Thus do they anticipate every one's wishes and do well unto every one."
--Thus Spoke Zarathrusra

Society made you, but do you have the balls to break what it made you?

That didn't come out so well.

Society made you. It gave you its values and made you wear a mask until that mask began to grow into your skin.

Can you break those values and tear off that mask?

You're an interesting troll, that's rare.

An earlier version of Vlad. Kids like him are, to borrow an American phrase, a dime a dozen.

http://www.geocities.com/catchmyhead/

Originally posted by (Q)
There is nothing at all wrong with hatred. Hatred is a perfectly natural thing. Liberals make us feel guilty for our personal preferences. I only hate because society has become a sheletered politicaly correct shithole. Society made me, I didn't make me.

The subject, now completely intertwined in an anger-denial cycle, reinforces their behavior by suppressing or repressing the true nature of the anger and placing the blame not on the cause of their anger, but instead on another individual or group, in this case, society. They believe that their hatred is acceptable by displacing feelings of guilt with the blame they impose on others.

The denial to come to terms with the cause of the anger reinforces cognitive implications such as obsessing over thoughts of self-pity, injustice and revenge. Unwittingly, the obsessions add fuel to the anger hence the cycle repeats itself.

While the subject continues engulfed within this cycle, the suppressed/repressed anger festers and grows like an infection causing headaches, ulcers, anxiety and depression as a result of chemical changes in the brain.

It is not until the subject can deal directly with the cause of their anger such that they must understand there is little they can do without resorting to hatred and violent tendencies. Once this is achieved, most likely through professional counseling, the subject will then break the anger-denial cycle and move into a state of acceptance.

The subject harbors intellectual ambitions above and beyond his intellectual capacity! He attempts to make up for what he lacks in brain wattage by throwing around a bunch of cheap psycho-analytical terms like "denial" and "subject". He's not fooling anybody, though, because his analysis's are all trite and rudimentary piece of useless fluff, in most cases totally out of context. He sounds like sound a tryhard buffoon. Obviously noone would make a blatant ass out of themselves like this on purpose, so this guy must actually think he's being intelligent. This fills me with an overwhelming sense of irony, because delusion and denial were the exact same things he was diagnonsenseing me with. Yummy.

Originally posted by Xev
You forgot NIN. I like Vlad, he's either mental or has a great sense of humour.

Vlad, what's your favorite halo and work of the Divine Marquis?




Hmmm. I'd have to go with the obvious "120 days of sodom".
And you? My Marquis section is only small now but I hope to have a lot of his writings up soon.

Originally posted by Adam
An earlier version of Vlad. Kids like him are, to borrow an American phrase, a dime a dozen.

http://www.geocities.com/catchmyhead/

Boring people like you are a dime a dozen! They're everywhere. I can't go to the shop without passing them.

Thus Vlad resorts to one of the most popular kindergarten insults: "No, you are!"

Originally posted by Adam
Indeed, hate is natural. All emotions are. However as your case clearly demonstrates, hate is a counter-productive emotion in terms of evolution, and thus is what we call anti-social. You hate women; no women want to be with you; your bloodline ends. Simple. Such behaviours which are counter to survival in this manner are by definition anti-social. Is anti-social bad? Again, if you have trouble with the concept, I will explain in other words. Yes, anti-social is bad, as it means the death of your bloodline in extreme cases, which of course is antithetical to life. I'm sure you can figure it out.

Feel free to toss around the word "moron" if you wish, but this does not change the fact that your ideas, if taken to the logical conclusion, are in fact anti-life. Nor does your use of the word "moron" detract from the general impression that you are simply throwing out deliberately controversial words in an attempt to gain attenion, as some form of validation. I suspect you are upset because you have either never had a girlfriend or have recently been dumped.

I am not a well functioning person. II never said I was. I will be the first to admit I am Anti-Social. I hate people.

Your suspicions about my views being underlied by some form of rejection are false.

Hmmm. I'd have to go with the obvious "120 days of sodom".
And you? My Marquis section is only small now but I hope to have a lot of his writings up soon.

And halo? You mentioned Closer. Closer kicks ass but I'd have to go with Great Below, Broken, or Gave Up.

Happiness in Slavery - hell, anything from Fixed is good. Same for Fragile.

As for the Marquis, I like Juliette best. IMO, his funniest - I love the scene where Juliette, Clarwil and Durand are in the cemetary. And the orgy in the Vatican was great.

Have you read his prison letters?

Don't mind Adam - he compensates for the fact that women won't fuck him by doing his hyper-chivalry shtick.

Originally posted by Adam
Thus Vlad resorts to one of the most popular kindergarten insults: "No, you are!"

You set the tone sweety, I was just playin' along.

As for De Sade, I certainly hope his real work is discovered intact some day. By his own admission, his surviving works were the crap he did to try and recover the work he lost.

Originally posted by Xev
And halo? You mentioned Closer. Closer kicks ass but I'd have to go with Great Below, Broken, or Gave Up.

Happiness in Slavery - hell, anything from Fixed is good. Same for Fragile.

As for the Marquis, I like Juliette best. IMO, his funniest - I love the scene where Juliette, Clarwil and Durand are in the cemetary. And the orgy in the Vatican was great.

Have you read his prison letters?

Don't mind Adam - he compensates for the fact that women won't fuck him by doing his hyper-chivalry shtick.

Forbes halo! Great stuff.
Actually fragile is my favourite trent album. He was a lot more refined on that. + I like pretty piano pieces. You have charming taste in music. I have never seen juliet performed. It makes for good reading. I think I just liked '120 days of sodom' for it's earnisty and harshness.

I figured as much about adam.

One of the things I miss about being a teenager: the certain knowledge that I saw the world so much more clearly than the billions who had come before me and who exist alongside me.

Kids...

The subject harbors intellectual ambitions above and beyond his intellectual capacity! He attempts to make up for what he lacks in brain wattage by throwing around a bunch of cheap psycho-analytical terms like "denial" and "subject". He's not fooling anybody, though, because his analysis's are all trite and rudimentary piece of useless fluff
Actually, no. (Q) is talking basic stuff that's well known about misogynists, racists, etc. That is, that their beliefs are a defensive displacement of fear.

They're also an expression of a sense of powerless which they seek to overcome by attacking groups that they feel they have the best chance of beating, and that's typically going to be people who they've identified as similarly needing or struggling for empowerment.

If there's resentment against any of these groups amongst their peers, this gets them the added bonus of some status, also lacking.

But typically this goes further because the misogynist et al deludes himself into thinking that these views, these resentments, are more widely held than in fact they are. And that's usually because of limited or unsuccesful human contact, which is what started the ball rolling in the first place.

It's quite sad, really...

Adam, shut up about de Sade. You have previously

"Um... De Sade was a pathetic lowlife who harmed people for simple amusement. There's a reason why he was tossed in prison. He was a complete prick, and wandered about with his soldiers killing peasants for sport."

Shown that you don't know a fucking thing about him or what a genius he was.

Not to mention de Sade never killed or truely harmed anyone.

Vlad:
Actually fragile is my favourite trent album. He was a lot more refined on that. + I like pretty piano pieces.

Oh I completely agree. I don't think Trent has ever matched Fragile.

However, I like Broken because it's close to the story of my life. You know how Downward Spiral is a story (at least, I believe it is).

Well, I think it's the same for Broken. And it's my story.

You have charming taste in music.

Thank you!

What else do you like? I like a lot of metal and industrial.

I have never seen juliet performed. It makes for good reading. I think I just liked '120 days of sodom' for it's earnisty and harshness

You've seen Salo, the adaptation of 120 Days? I have to see that someday.

I agree with you - de Sade's true fucking honesty is most blatent in 120 days.

As for Adam, I can respect a man who chooses to be one woman's slave. What I find rather pathetic is a man who would do that for all of us simply because he's been brainwashed into it.

*Edit*

MacZ:
Actually, no. (Q) is talking basic stuff that's well known about misogynists, racists, etc. That is, that their beliefs are a defensive displacement of fear.

Nice ad hominem. Add a little touch of pop-psychology and you're lookin' good.

Compared to Jenna Bush after a weekend in Tihuana, that is.

If you disagree with Vlad, why don't you say why you disagree, instead of why you think Vlad sucks?

Adam, shut up about de Sade. You have previously

"Um... De Sade was a pathetic lowlife who harmed people for simple amusement. There's a reason why he was tossed in prison. He was a complete prick, and wandered about with his soldiers killing peasants for sport."

Shown that you don't know a fucking thing about him or what a genius he was.

Sorry, I don't see him as a genius. I've not read all his works yet, but in all that I have read, I have found nothing new or original apart from the descritions of various sexual acts. And as I said, De Sade himself described all his surviving works as the crap he did to try and recover the glory of his real work, which was lost because his wife was a silly cow.

De Sade's surviving work was intended to do one thing: give the finger to his society. It did so reasonably well, but most of it I would say was lost on the common reader. Apart from giving the finger, his only true value is as a comedian. (It is, by the way, a big collection of jokes aimed at his society.)


Not to mention de Sade never killed or truely harmed anyone.

Although many peasants who worked for him claimed otherwise (and a peasant's word against a noble meant nothing prior to the rveolution), and some disappeared after going to his home.

View yourself as some kind of loyal De Sade purist if you wish, but keep in mind that every other teenager who reads whatever book by whatever supposed philosopher also thinks they are the one to see what the guy/girl truly meant.

De Sade's surviving work was intended to do one thing: give the finger to his society.
The aristocracy in pre-revolutionary France, the age in which de Sade lived, was preoccupied with sex and the more "interesting" the better.

This was all quite open. Much of what de Sade wrote about was actually happening and available, and known to be happening. There was no secrecy about it. And as for the rest, well, he was following a fashion, appealing to an appetite for all things sexual.

Adam:
Sorry, I don't see him as a genius. I've not read all his works yet, but in all that I have read, I have found nothing new or original apart from the descritions of various sexual acts.

He's not especially new and origional. Niether was Nietzsche or Einstien.

Both were geniuses.

And as I said, De Sade himself described all his surviving works as the crap he did to try and recover the glory of his real work, which was lost because his wife was a silly cow.

So you think Renee should have gotten herself killed to rescue 120 Days?

Hey, I would've, but I wouldn't expect her to.

De Sade's surviving work was intended to do one thing: give the finger to his society.

It did that primarily, but he has tremendous value besides that. Modern continental philosophy is indebted to him.

He inspired Freud, Nietzsche, Kafka, Foucault, Camus and the Surrealists, and you say that his only value is as comedian?

(It is, by the way, a big collection of jokes aimed at his society.)

Wow gee Adam, you're a smartie pie indeed to have grasped the blatently obvious.

Although many peasants who worked for him claimed otherwise

I've read two different biographies of Sade and several webpages, none of which mention these things.

de Sade allowed several moderates to go free during the Revolution. For this he was imprisioned.

Hardly the actions of a murderer.

(and a peasant's word against a noble meant nothing prior to the rveolution), and some disappeared after going to his home.

What evidence do you have?

Are you consciously lying or simply delusional?

View yourself as some kind of loyal De Sade purist if you wish,

Pure? de Sade? I think de Sade's masochism tended to focus very strongly on the impure.

I would not do him that disservice.

but keep in mind that every other teenager who reads whatever book by whatever supposed philosopher also thinks they are the one to see what the guy/girl truly meant.

That's very nice Adam, but I haven't been a teenager for three years - nor, considering the fact that I had a parent to take care of, was I a teenager then.

Thus your ad hominem is not only ad hominem, it is false.

Vlad,

You say you hate women. That women are not to be respected. I see the communication between you and Xev to be pleasant and mutually respectful. Isn't Xev then an example that your hatred for women is not wholly justified?

Oh I sincerely hope that Vlad doesn't respect me. I hate being respected for anything save what I am.

He's not especially new and origional. Niether was Nietzsche or Einstien.

Einstein was in fact quite original. But what about De Sade makes him a genius, apart from your own personal tastes?


So you think Renee should have gotten herself killed to rescue 120 Days?

De Sade's wife visited occasioanlly, in safety. The only reason she didn't visit when he asked her to pick up his manuscript was because she was being a bitch.


It did that primarily, but he has tremendous value besides that. Modern continental philosophy is indebted to him.

How so?


He inspired Freud, Nietzsche, Kafka, Foucault, Camus and the Surrealists, and you say that his only value is as comedian?

They all really cite De Sade as inspiration?


I've read two different biographies of Sade and several webpages, none of which mention these things.

I have every surviving work of Sade's, in three volumes, together with biographies written by those who provided translations from old French, including notes by the person who found Sade's lost work. I have not yet read all of it, but I have read all the biographies and there are several mentions of his rather nasty behaviour.


de Sade allowed several moderates to go free during the Revolution. For this he was imprisioned.

No. http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics/marquis/


What evidence do you have?
Are you consciously lying or simply delusional?

You mean apart from the police reports and trial records?


Pure? de Sade? I think de Sade's masochism tended to focus very strongly on the impure.

We have different ideas of the meaning of "pure".

Adam:
Einstein was in fact quite original. But what about De Sade makes him a genius, apart from your own personal tastes?

Actually, Einstien's work was highly dependant on the works of a few other physicists, the names of whom escape me at the moment. Much of scientific discovery is this way.

de Sade's genius lies in his wit, his incredible ability to have absolutely no personal connection to his arguments, and his penetration into the darker recesses of the human soul.

De Sade's wife visited occasioanlly, in safety. The only reason she didn't visit when he asked her to pick up his manuscript was because she was being a bitch.

Actually, when the Bastille fell (taking with it many of de Sade's works) all of Paris was in a state of rioting and looting. She would have been in an incredible amount of danger to venture out in that.

How so?

The people I mentioned, dumbass.

They all really cite De Sade as inspiration?

Camus and the surrealists do. "Justine" was one of Nietzsche's favorite books at one time. de Sade's discourses of the flesh obviously influenced Foucault, and I believe Freud mentions him in his critiques of sadism and masochism.

I have every surviving work of Sade's, in three volumes, together with biographies written by those who provided translations from old French, including notes by the person who found Sade's lost work. I have not yet read all of it, but I have read all the biographies and there are several mentions of his rather nasty behaviour.

Such as? He whipped a prostitute or two. Like big deal, who hasn't?

Maybe the Marquis wasn't the nicest person who ever lived, but he sure as fuck had more respect for women than

"slut"
"bitch"
"Originally posted by grazzhoppa
I say cut the kid in three pieces, give one to the real dad, fake dad, and the slut. Make the slut pay for the operation.
I vote for grazzhoppa as our new attorney general."

This person.

No. http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics/marquis/

Umm, what does the Testard affair have to do with the fact that he let people go during the revolution?

http://neilschaeffer.com/sade/timeline/1791-1803.htm

July 23, Sade is appointed president of his section, in which capacity he helps his in-laws, the hated Montreuils, escape punishment.

October 16, Marie-Antoinette is guillotined.

December 8, Sade is arrested "as suspect," and spends the next ten months during the Great Terror in various prisons until, finally, under sentence of death, he narrowly escapes the guillotine.

You mean apart from the police reports and trial records?

I've read several of these.
There is no mention of murder.
You are a lying, pathetic loser.

We have different ideas of the meaning of "pure".

I know what you're saying. I'm his apologist? Hardly. I just don't like the idea of a gifted and brilliant man being swiped at by twats like you simply because he whipped a few whores.

Actually, Einstien's work was highly dependant on the works of a few other physicists, the names of whom escape me at the moment. Much of scientific discovery is this way.

Amazing.


de Sade's genius lies in his wit, his incredible ability to have absolutely no personal connection to his arguments, and his penetration into the darker recesses of the human soul.

I disagree that he had no personal connection to his stories. He was quite annoyed at his society and everything he wrote was a personal critique stemming from that annoyance.


Actually, when the Bastille fell (taking with it many of de Sade's works) all of Paris was in a state of rioting and looting. She would have been in an incredible amount of danger to venture out in that.

I was under the impression he asked his wife to go and fetch the manuscripts as soon as he was moved to another place.



The people I mentioned, dumbass.

For the benefit of the poorly educated, I shall expand. How did De Sade's comedic fantasies influence modern continental philosophy?


Camus and the surrealists do. "Justine" was one of Nietzsche's favorite books at one time. de Sade's discourses of the flesh obviously influenced Foucault, and I believe Freud mentions him in his critiques of sadism and masochism.

I think it is unnecessary to comment that De Sade may be an influence when discussin Sadiam.


I've read several of these.
There is no mention of murder.

Actually there is mention of murder at La Coste. He is accused by peasants prior to the revolution of murder at that estate. As I said, however, a peasant's word was worthless.


You are a lying, pathetic loser.

For one obsessed with quoting the "logical fallacies" as worked out by more astute people, you sure do enjoy tossing around as many as you can. That is known as hypocrisy - a crime which De Sade quite despised...


I know what you're saying. I'm his apologist? Hardly. I just don't like the idea of a gifted and brilliant man being swiped at by twats like you simply because he whipped a few whores.

No, I don't consider you De Sade's apologist. That would be to imply that you have some deeper connection to the dead author than simply being another groupy.

Adam:
Amazing.

Yeah, see what a couple history of science books can do?

I disagree that he had no personal connection to his stories. He was quite annoyed at his society and everything he wrote was a personal critique stemming from that annoyance.

I never said he had no personal connection to his stories. He did.
What he lacked was an egotistic pride in his arguments. This is a lot of the genius of Juliette. The reader tries to find a systemic philosophy....then realizes that de Sade is simply fucking with them.

I was under the impression he asked his wife to go and fetch the manuscripts as soon as he was moved to another place.

Renee de Sade was an extrordinarily submissive and devoted wife who generally obeyed her husband, but not to the extent of braving riots.

For the benefit of the poorly educated, I shall expand. How did De Sade's comedic fantasies influence modern continental philosophy?

de Sade's satiric wank material influenced modern philosophy through his influence on the people I mentioned.

I think it is unnecessary to comment that De Sade may be an influence when discussin Sadiam.

So you can indeed submit to a point of fact. Not bad, Adam, not bad at all.

Actually there is mention of murder at La Coste. He is accused by peasants prior to the revolution of murder at that estate. As I said, however, a peasant's word was worthless.

You have some evidence of this?
de Sade became a sensationalized pervert during his day, perhaps one of the first. All manner of rumours flew around about him. While simpletons such as yourself might derive titillation from such rumours, your vicarious delight in such nonsense does not change the fact that it is nonsense.

For one obsessed with quoting the "logical fallacies" as worked out by more astute people, you sure do enjoy tossing around as many as you can. That is known as hypocrisy - a crime which De Sade quite despised...

Truth is not only a defense to libel, it is a defense to ad hominem. ;)

And de Sade praises hypocrisy in Philosophy in the Bedroom.

No, I don't consider you De Sade's apologist. That would be to imply that you have some deeper connection to the dead author than simply being another groupy.

Right.

Oh, I note that I'm also his groupie because his philosophy agrees with mine.

Funny, I wasn't aware that de Sade's philosophy centered on the perfection of man, nor was I aware that he regarded the protection of those weaker than oneself to be a semi-imperitive.

I love Sade because he disagrees with me, not because he suits my personal tastes...although I have to admit his "metaphysical rebellion from the waist down" amuses me to no end - but because he challenges them.

Xev,

If you disagree with Vlad, why don't you say why you disagree, instead of why you think Vlad sucks?

I expected you above most to understand why your question cannot be reasoned. ;)

Vlad may be an OK guy and possibly quite intelligent, but that is not what the discussion is about.

Vlad's website contains no new hypotheses to investigate or critique nor does it contain any debates on accepted theories. His website contains nothing more than his expressions of anger, hatred and hostility.

Vlad has asked the peeps here to provide feedback to his website. Most here have provided feedback directly relating to his expressions of anger and hatred therein contained. And whereas no one has agreed with these manifestations, unless of course one was also filled with the same anger and hatred Vlad so vehemently expresses, his responses have been predictably hostile.

So, the real question here is, what is there to disagree ?

I have sifted through the imformation in this thread and have come to the following conclusions:

1 Xev rules

2 Adam is an embittered, sexually frustrated, plebeian piece of trash.

3 (Q) Is a loser as well, but does perhaps have some redeeming qualitys.

Thankyou.

Originally posted by (Q)


Vlad's website contains no new hypotheses to investigate or critique nor does it contain any debates on accepted theories. His website contains nothing more than his expressions of anger, hatred and hostility.


What does being "accepted" have to do with validity? I could name a thousand people who's ideas were not accepted until long after they were dead, and when their ideas did become accepted they revoloutionised the way people think. Hell, Robert. M. Persig's ideas are still not accepted in mainstream philosophy, but, in terms of profundity, they trancend everything that has ever been written, sport.

Vlad

What does being "accepted" have to do with validity? I could name a thousand people who's ideas were not accepted until long after they were dead, and when their ideas did become accepted they revoloutionised the way people think.

So, what is your point ?

(Q) Is a loser

I understand your anger and hatred are psychological problems you'll need to overcome, hopefully with some professional help. And that is why I don't attack you personally or resort to name calling.

Oh my gawd!

Q actually adressed the "subject" himself!!!!!

Vlad kicks ass.

Vlad's website contains no new hypotheses to investigate or critique nor does it contain any debates on accepted theories. His website contains nothing more than his expressions of anger, hatred and hostility.

Good for him. He only has to start hating the other half of humankind and he'll be an enlightened one. :)

Originally posted by (Q)
I understand your anger and hatred are psychological problems you'll need to overcome, hopefully with some professional help. And that is why I don't attack you personally or resort to name calling.

How nice. I'm sure the Nobel Peace Prise will be a non-contest this year.

Originally posted by (Q)
So, what is your point ?


My point, cowboy, is that you were trying to use the fact that my ideas are not generally "accepted" as a premise to invalidate them. This, as we all should have learnt in Critical Reasoning 101 is an appeal to the majority. ie falacious fluff (ooh noitice my clever alliteration).

Originally posted by Xev
Wow. I'm a female anarco-democratic Nietzschean/Foucaultian bisexual feminist.
Marry me.






Please? :(

- Warren

Chroot:

Well, lesse, I have a checklist. Are you:

A: In your late 80s or in your 70s with extremely poor health?

If not A, then B:

B: Do you have any terminal illnesses?

If either A or B:

Do you have at least a 500,000 life insurance policy?

*Edit*

Adam, I noticed you have yet to qualify your libellous statements concerning the Marquis. I presume that this is because you are so full of shit you've lost the ability to smell bs.

Sade was imprisoned for rape, poisoning, and other crimes. It was during one of his estate orgies that several girls hired for the exercise "escaped", ran away. At least one girl simply went missing, and one of those who ran away from the place claimed murder.

Did her claims of murder get heard in court? No. She was a mere peasant, he was an aristocrat. Remember, the Inspector who spent a long time chasing Sade lost his job for simply making a rude comment about a noble.

Adam:

So now you're adding an unsubstantiated charge of rape to the rest of the unsubstantiated charges you've levelled at Sade? At a man who is more your superiour than Mount Everest is Death Valleys? At a man, compared to whom, you are not merely a pathetic, slavish, sheeplike excuse for a man, but a veritable worm in comparison?

Sade, the rapist who never forced himself on the women he paid? That makes about as much sense as the rest of the crap you spew.

This girl who went missing, did she have a name? I note you can't give her name. I wonder why not. Either it is because you have the mental capacity of a crack-addled toad or because she is a figment of your deranged imagination.

Which is it?

Dishonourable little twit.

Xev:
This girl who went missing, did she have a name? I note you can't give her name. I wonder why not. Either it is because you have the mental capacity of a crack-addled toad or because she is a figment of your deranged imagination.

I think her name was Jennifer Smart.

Ouch! Bad joke, very bad joke.

Oh and Vlad, welcome! Did you name yourself after Vlad the impaler?

1) I do this thing sometimes called "reading". You might like to give it a try some day. I've done enough reading of Sade, I'm no longer interested. Just go check the biographies you claim to possess.

2) For one obsessed with quoting the work of others, particularly those logical fallacies, you're becoming more and more adept at the ad hominem and more.

Vlad

My point, cowboy, is that you were trying to use the fact that my ideas are not generally "accepted" as a premise to invalidate them.

That's interesting considering I found no "ideas," original or otherwise, whatsoever on your site or in your posts. You'll have to point out exactly where I said that your ideas are not generally accepted.

You're putting words in my mouth.

Or, is it that you feel anger and hatred are generally accepted ? If so, please explain - that is, if you actually have any ideas of your own. ;)

This, as we all should have learnt in Critical Reasoning 101 is an appeal to the majority. ie falacious fluff

hehe - And of course, it was Critical Reasoning that you used to justify and rationalize your anger and hatred.

Xev

Vlad kicks ass.

Vlad hates you with every fiber of his being, and you like it.

You are one demented high priestess, Xev. :D

Q:
Vlad hates you with every fiber of his being, and you like it.

He does? Awww man, every time I meet a guy who wants to disrespect and degrade me, he's either gay or he hates me with ever fiber of his being.

*Sniffles*

It's just not fair!

Adam:
1) I do this thing sometimes called "reading". You might like to give it a try some day. I've done enough reading of Sade, I'm no longer interested. Just go check the biographies you claim to possess.

Read Neil Shaeffer's (sp?) and oodles of bios on the 'net. There's no evidence Sade ever killed anyone.

Just because he was able to get laid and you are jealous does not make him a murderer.

2) For one obsessed with quoting the work of others, particularly those logical fallacies, you're becoming more and more adept at the ad hominem and more.

No, see, you need to take some critical reasoning classes or something. Pointing out the fact that you're a dishonourable twit isn't ad hominem. Saying that you are wrong because you are a dishonourable twit is ad hominem.

Xev

*Sniffles*

It's just not fair!

No problem, just follow Vlad's guidelines for the ideal woman and viola!

:D

Q:
Submissive anywhere but in the bedroom? Man, fuck that shit. I'd wither into a tiny ball of nothingness and fade away. :)

*Edit*

Hey, how can you have a ball of nothingness anyway? Like, concentrated nothingness?

Although, "concentrated nothingness" would be a kick ass name for a metal band...

Originally posted by (Q)
Vlad

My point, cowboy, is that you were trying to use the fact that my ideas are not generally "accepted" as a premise to invalidate them.

That's interesting considering I found no "ideas," original or otherwise, whatsoever on your site or in your posts. You'll have to point out exactly where I said that your ideas are not generally accepted.

You're putting words in my mouth.

Or, is it that you feel anger and hatred are generally accepted ? If so, please explain - that is, if you actually have any ideas of your own. ;)

This, as we all should have learnt in Critical Reasoning 101 is an appeal to the majority. ie falacious fluff

hehe - And of course, it was Critical Reasoning that you used to justify and rationalize your anger and hatred.

Your reasoning is so diseased and malfunct that I wont even dignify you with 2 responses.

Vlad

Your reasoning is so diseased and malfunct that I wont even dignify you with 2 responses.

Your website would indicate that dignity is not a trait you possess.

Happy New Year!

Or are you more comfortable with, "Angry and Hateful New Year!" ;)

Cool, I thought
Vlad was gone for good
Nice to see him back