have no fear all you atheist's, something to look forward to.


If there is a special Hell for atheists and other nonbelievers, I shall never fear for my comfort. The musings of Epicurus will entertain my mind and Voltaire will tickle my wit. While Paine harries the Devil, Franklin will write us a constitution. Cicero, Madison and Frederick the Great can in turn conspire a government that Marx will quickly deride.

Goethe and Poe will tell delightfully chilling tales by the eternal lake-of-fire-side. Mrs. Cady Stanton and Mrs. B. Anthony will preserve our equality and Darwin will write our history. Messieurs Robert Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell will entertain our ears in the theatre built by Carnegie and designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, and they'll speak through the sound system invented by Thomas Edison.

Twain will make us laugh with his satire of old split-foot and criticism of the almighty, and Clarence Darrow will win his right to do so. Nietzsche will philosophize and Freud will analyze. Wells and Roddenberry will give us fantasy, Frost will give us poetry, Shaw will write us a play and Hepburn will be the queen of the stage.

Virginia Wolff will biographize our very own Margaret Sanger, a choice we'll all applaud. Rubinstein will play us a tune and Berlin will pen the words. Charlie Chaplin will adapt for film a comedic tale of H.P. Lovecraft and Earnest Hemmingway that will star W.C. Fields. Howard Hughes will fund the disastrous project.

Pearle Buck and Ayn Rand will make us think and give Skinner thoughts to study. Snoopy will once again have daily installment in our paper, with Schultz returning to the drafting table. All in all I will be quite entertained.

My social calendar will be full to busting, and I'll have many calls to make. The Huxleys (Aldus, Thomas, and Sir Julian Sorell) will be worth a talk on biology and authorship. Perhaps I myself can compose the great novel of the underworld with the help of Lawrence, Orwell, Joyce and Asimov.

I am in good company in my disbelief.

Nevyn O'Kane

have no fear all you atheist's, something to look forward to.


If there is a special Hell for atheists and other nonbelievers, I shall never fear for my comfort. The musings of Epicurus will entertain my mind and Voltaire will tickle my wit. While Paine harries the Devil, Franklin will write us a constitution. Cicero, Madison and Frederick the Great can in turn conspire a government that Marx will quickly deride.

Goethe and Poe will tell delightfully chilling tales by the eternal lake-of-fire-side. Mrs. Cady Stanton and Mrs. B. Anthony will preserve our equality and Darwin will write our history. Messieurs Robert Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell will entertain our ears in the theatre built by Carnegie and designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, and they'll speak through the sound system invented by Thomas Edison.

Twain will make us laugh with his satire of old split-foot and criticism of the almighty, and Clarence Darrow will win his right to do so. Nietzsche will philosophize and Freud will analyze. Wells and Roddenberry will give us fantasy, Frost will give us poetry, Shaw will write us a play and Hepburn will be the queen of the stage.

Virginia Wolff will biographize our very own Margaret Sanger, a choice we'll all applaud. Rubinstein will play us a tune and Berlin will pen the words. Charlie Chaplin will adapt for film a comedic tale of H.P. Lovecraft and Earnest Hemmingway that will star W.C. Fields. Howard Hughes will fund the disastrous project.

Pearle Buck and Ayn Rand will make us think and give Skinner thoughts to study. Snoopy will once again have daily installment in our paper, with Schultz returning to the drafting table. All in all I will be quite entertained.

My social calendar will be full to busting, and I'll have many calls to make. The Huxleys (Aldus, Thomas, and Sir Julian Sorell) will be worth a talk on biology and authorship. Perhaps I myself can compose the great novel of the underworld with the help of Lawrence, Orwell, Joyce and Asimov.

I am in good company in my disbelief.

Nevyn O'Kane

Ahhh! That's really cute. :)
But do you know what hell is?

Jan Ardena.

Ahhh! That's really cute. :)
But do you know what hell is?

Jan Ardena.

Hell is a place invented by the leaders of the faithful to frighten the flock into behaving. ;)

jan ardana
I believe you've missed the point, shes an atheist and like me has no believe in god/gods, devil/demons, heaven or hell its "sarcasm".

path:well said .

how do you know any of that actually exsits?

its sarcasm(humor)funny haha, not to be taken seriously.

path,

Hell is a place invented by the leaders of the faithful to frighten the flock into behaving. ;)

Care to name some of these leaders, as they must be very famous?

jan ardana
I believe you've missed the point, shes an atheist and like me has no believe in god/gods, devil/demons, heaven or hell its "sarcasm".

Then why bother to bring it up?
Do you get some kind of satisfaction from being sarcastic?
Now what?
Got any more sarcasm?

Jan Ardena.

Perhaps the point is that there are many good, important and intelligent people that would go to hell if one believes in specific religious ideas and constructs.

You might want to rephrase that statement.

It stands that those who repress the truth of their conscience and are self seeking are the ones who end up in hell.

I have never known any "intelligent" or "good" person who behaved so.

No, I do not think that I want to rephrase.

have no fear all you atheist's, something to look forward to.


If there is a special Hell for atheists and other nonbelievers, I shall never fear for my comfort. The musings of Epicurus will entertain my mind and Voltaire will tickle my wit. While Paine harries the Devil, Franklin will write us a constitution. Cicero, Madison and Frederick the Great can in turn conspire a government that Marx will quickly deride.

Goethe and Poe will tell delightfully chilling tales by the eternal lake-of-fire-side. Mrs. Cady Stanton and Mrs. B. Anthony will preserve our equality and Darwin will write our history. Messieurs Robert Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell will entertain our ears in the theatre built by Carnegie and designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, and they'll speak through the sound system invented by Thomas Edison.

Twain will make us laugh with his satire of old split-foot and criticism of the almighty, and Clarence Darrow will win his right to do so. Nietzsche will philosophize and Freud will analyze. Wells and Roddenberry will give us fantasy, Frost will give us poetry, Shaw will write us a play and Hepburn will be the queen of the stage.

Virginia Wolff will biographize our very own Margaret Sanger, a choice we'll all applaud. Rubinstein will play us a tune and Berlin will pen the words. Charlie Chaplin will adapt for film a comedic tale of H.P. Lovecraft and Earnest Hemmingway that will star W.C. Fields. Howard Hughes will fund the disastrous project.

Pearle Buck and Ayn Rand will make us think and give Skinner thoughts to study. Snoopy will once again have daily installment in our paper, with Schultz returning to the drafting table. All in all I will be quite entertained.

My social calendar will be full to busting, and I'll have many calls to make. The Huxleys (Aldus, Thomas, and Sir Julian Sorell) will be worth a talk on biology and authorship. Perhaps I myself can compose the great novel of the underworld with the help of Lawrence, Orwell, Joyce and Asimov.

I am in good company in my disbelief.

Nevyn O'Kane

I hope they have dogs in hell. I like dogs.

Crunchy Cat: I hope they have dogs in hell. I like dogs.
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M*W: No. There are no dogs in hell. Dogs only go to heaven. They are sinless creatures who are filled with love. Especially, Retrievers.

Dogs are sacred animals. They are blessed creatures that go to heaven.

Crunchy Cat: I hope they have dogs in hell. I like dogs.
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M*W: No. There are no dogs in hell. Dogs only go to heaven. They are sinless creatures who are filled with love. Especially, Retrievers.

Dogs are sacred animals. They are blessed creatures that go to heaven.

Oh, I'm sure we'll find a rotty or 2 in hell no?

path,
Care to name some of these leaders, as they must be very famous?
Jan Ardena.

Well who wrote the sacred texts that speak of hell or eternal damnation? I believe you would actually need to go further back than that since most sacred texts are based upon ancient oral mythology.

All the coolest rock bands are going to be in hell, as well. We can all rock out at one bit concert for the rest of eternity. If we've got to run around acting all silly blind to our own actions as most God fearing Christians in order to end up with some Air conditioning in the afterlife, then I say the trade off just isn't worth it. Live your own life and rock in hell!

Also, on a side note, it’s long been an observation of mine that it seems a bit hypocritical that all sodomites should be hell bound when the supposed requirements for getting into heaven entail acting as though you’ve got something stuck up your ass.

who do I pay,I going there it sounds fantastic.

"Oh, I'm sure we'll find a rotty or 2 in hell no?"

No indeed. The high masters of the universe, Disney, have proclaimed that "All dogs go to heaven," so they must.

Well who wrote the sacred texts that speak of hell or eternal damnation? I believe you would actually need to go further back than that since most sacred texts are based upon ancient oral mythology.

Are you absolutely certain that scriptures are mythology?

Jan Ardena.

how do you know any of that actually exsits?

How do you know it doesn't?

Jan Ardena.

Are you absolutely certain that scriptures are mythology?

Jan Ardena.

Absolutely :)

Absolutely :)

What make you absolutely sure?

Jan Ardena.

how do you know any of that actually exsits?

Heaven and hell exist here.
The trick is not to see hell or heaven as a place, but a condition of life.

Jan Ardena.

What make you absolutely sure?

Jan Ardena.

There are so many things that it would be difficult to list them all. The vast amount of contradictory messages and images of god in the bible the god of love and forgiveness, and the god who commanded all the amalikites to be massacred. A jealous god?! what, he is god what is he jealous of why does he have a reason to be jealous. I just don't have the time to go into it all now suffice it to say I am indeed unshakably certain after 12 years of catholic education ;) .

There are so many things that it would be difficult to list them all. The vast amount of contradictory messages and images of god in the bible the god of love and forgiveness, and the god who commanded all the amalikites to be massacred. A jealous god?! what, he is god what is he jealous of why does he have a reason to be jealous. I just don't have the time to go into it all now suffice it to say I am indeed unshakably certain after 12 years of catholic education ;) .

This does not explain why scriptures are mythology.

Jan Ardena.

No, but it explains the way so many people are rounded up and made to follow the narrow path of 'righteousness' that shall save(?) them.

Two friends died at the same day. One went up and one went down. After a couple of weeks they spoke to each other on an interspiritualistic telephone.

- How is it with you up there, Fred?

- It sucks, we have to work 12 hours a day, lousy food and no vacation. How it in in hell?

- Its great! Free booze, lot of chicks, only have to work 2 hours a day and 12 weeks vacation! How come its so sucky up there in heaven? Its supposed to be a nice place!?

- No people...

This does not explain why scriptures are mythology.

Jan Ardena.
No as I said a full explaination is too involved for me to undertake now. You asked me if I was "sure they are mythology" I answered in the affirmative nuff said.

No as I said a full explaination is too involved for me to undertake now. You asked me if I was "sure they are mythology" I answered in the affirmative nuff said.

Well give me one reason why you are absolutely sure the scriptures are mythology.

Jan Ardena.

The high masters of the universe, Disney, have proclaimed that "All dogs go to heaven," so they must.


Gyaaaah! You philistine! Do you really think that Disney made "All Dogs go to Heaven"? It was MGM, Don Bluth dosn't write/direct for disney, and you MUST have picked up on the definately darker than Disney vibe in the movie!

On that note, a lot of folks here in the US say Disney is hellbound itself, so we will have wholesome childrens entertainment in hell as well.

it seem like the xian devil, belsebub, lucifer, 666, whatever is nothing bot the elder pagan gods. Priests made a huge effort to exterminate the competing religions everywhere they went, and a good way of doing this was a) slay the unfaithful b) proclaim the pagan gods are evil.

Baal was not evil according to scriptures. Astarte was not. Nor was Marduk, Ishtar, El etc.

"Hell" is a term coi9ned by the christians, and is a demonization by them of the idea of the Underworld.
The earth religious pagan peoples respected the Earth and Nature, and its spirits. so there was ne fear of under earth. in fact many of their goddess and gods ruled there.
as soon as christians got a political hold they called all those pagan gods 'devils', and they denigrated the Horned God of old into their "Devil"......

thus psychologically they split off their instinctual organismic feelings from their intellectual pining for a place above the Earth, or for a transformed 'purified' earth will all the 'nasty' sex and fangs gone

Well give me one reason why you are absolutely sure the scriptures are mythology.

Jan Ardena.

You ask the wrong question.

We should be asking, "why are you sure the scriptures aren't mythology?".

But that's a question any "good faithful" will avoid at all costs, because any answer to that will inevitably be based on blind faith and/or ad hominem.

And we all know how credible both are. :rolleyes:

Thus, it would be good strategy for any strongly religious person to avoid the questions.

Of course, this doesn't always work with adherents of Zen ... but then, Zen makes so much more sense than some Manichaeistic social opium that claims the existence of heaven and hell.
(I mean, it all depends on how you define 'heaven' and 'hell'. Really. If you define 'heaven' and 'hell' as they are commonly described in fundamentalistic Christian doctrine, then they don't exist.)

I now return you all to your daily doses of booster shots to the ego-feeding illusion of intellectual invincibility. Since human sanity depends on such, no? :)

Xianity might be the worst thing that happend to this planet. Maybe we should go back to the old ways or just give it up. If Jesus ever walked this earth he is probably mourning about the evolution of his original ideas...

Interesting enough, the main reason for the roman empire to swap to xianity was because it showed an impressive organisation that already repressed its followers. It offered an out-of-the-box strictly hierarkic order that was "authorized by God", perfect for a decaying Roman empire. This is probably also the main reason for the slaying of all, maybe more sane, xian directions, like gnosis etc.

We got "hell on earth" around 2000 years ago.. I wonder who had the 666 in his forehead...

:)

Naomi,

You ask the wrong question.

We should be asking, "why are you sure the scriptures aren't mythology?".

If and when i make the claim that they "aren't mythology", i will be happy to answer.

But that's a question any "good faithful" will avoid at all costs, because any answer to that will inevitably be based on blind faith and/or ad hominem.

How do you know?
Have you recieved such answers to that question?

Thus, it would be good strategy for any strongly religious person to avoid the questions.

Right now i'm concerned with the claim made by Path.
Are you certain that the scriptures are mythology?
Can you give a reason as to why they are?

Of course, this doesn't always work with adherents of Zen ... but then, Zen makes so much more sense than some Manichaeistic social opium that claims the existence of heaven and hell.

"Manichaeistic", do you mean mechanistic?
My concern is not with religions or the various conflicting interpretations of religions, but with the scripture.
Beautiful women are used as a mechanism to control the masses, but they are seperate to the mechanism. Why can't you see religion in the same way?

(I mean, it all depends on how you define 'heaven' and 'hell'. Really. If you define 'heaven' and 'hell' as they are commonly described in fundamentalistic Christian doctrine, then they don't exist.)

It appears you have not given enough thought to the subject of Heaven and Hell.

I now return you all to your daily doses of booster shots to the ego-feeding illusion of intellectual invincibility. Since human sanity depends on such, no?

What were saying about adhominem?
Subtle, but clear.

Jan Ardena.

your talking scriptures....Bible scripture?
lets go to the beginnings of it. to the creation myth. the Tree of Good and Evil. the Warning not to disobey. the act of dis-obeying being punsihed by 'He-God'....then the curse and use getting thrown out of the Garden....then this idea of 'Original sin' gets fine-tuned by Augustine-Pauline christianity. and we are made to feel guilty about our bodies and thie needs, like ESPECIALLy sexuality, and this scripture has caused in us a schism between 'spirit' and 'Nature' which has 'evolved' to the post-religious secular concept of the "mind-body problem"

'Hell' and 'Heaven' are obviously related term-concepts to the idea of 'good' and 'evil as defined above in the creation myth
for the earth religious pagans there was no 'hell'. there was the underworld or otherworld. the Tree in pre-patriarchal mythicpoetry was the Centre which interelated the Deep, Mid, and Upper worlds. it was all one mysterious Web.

it was the dualstic Abrahamic religious doctrines who abstracted out a good and an evil and their respective heaven and hell

so then its perfect fot the elcted MALE writers of these dogmas isn't it. they can guilt and divide and rule the people, puls warning them that if they do not OBEY "God"--ie., THEIR male-dominative authority, then we will go to hell for everlasting torture.

this drvel could only have been invented by mean-arsed men. not ALL men. but mean-arsed men, yeah

You make you Hell seem like a wonderful place. You should consider how much happiness in the World is the result of behaviors and especially the constraints of Godly People. Your Hell will be devoid of all these Moral influences.

I should think that in your Hell we would have an open and unapologetic contest for ultimate control and power. In such a contest for Control I would suppose that a necessary Power Play would be to imprison all rivals for Power. The Paranoia of Power would see a potential enemy in every new soul that drops through the Gate.

Also, understand that some fairly nasty Souls would arrive in Hell long before you would ever show up. They would have a power base already built up. You would descend into Hell unprotected and without alliance. Would not the Hitlers and Stalins of the Place through you into a Lake of Fire simply to intimidate you and show you who the bosses are?

Clowns like Voltaire would be made to dance for their dinner... to tell jokes to make the important brutes laugh, and then slapped in his face if the jokes aren't funny enough.

And you aren't even funny.

GGG's!! Leo sounds like you've already been in hell, if you know so much of how it is!.

Hell and Heaven are two non-existent places made up to manipulate the ignorant massess. Hell whatever the church determines to be evil, Heaven for all those suckers that support "financially" the church and follow the "doctrines" of what ever denomination it may be to the letter like a mindless robot!.

Godless.

Hell and Heaven are two non-existent places

Godless.

Can something exist in merely psychological terms?

A person can have Heavenly Dreams, Worldly Dreams, or Nightmares. Yes, there are no actual material 'places' involved, and yet we have three quite different experiences.

The trouble with being a Materialistic Atheist is that you would nullify all of your deeper psychological significances. We are far more than merely rational creatures... especially as you must deny that many of us are even 'rational'.

But certainly you must admit that there is Psychological Content that covers a wide Moral and Aesthetic range. For the Psychotic Individual where the Psychological Content which motivates him has risen up to Surface Consciousness, it is clear that distinctions can be made. And if these States of Mind are not Materially "Real", then the Psychologists would be pursuing an exercise in futility when they attempt to discern objective patterns and continuities. Yet they are able to discern patterns and continuities. At that level, Psychological Content is OBJECTIVE.

We have seen many cartoons depicting what Love is...

e.g Love is never having to say you are sorry.

I thought I might try my hand at Hell is...

Hell is always having to say you are sorry.
Hell is being told you are not worthy to live another day.
Hell is watching children be raped whilst you are a child yourself.
Hell is being raped.
Hell is being tortured.
Hell is having your children taken off you whilst the person snatching them sneers at your pain.
Hell is watching society and family structures crumble around you.
Hell is feeling powerless to stop evil from happening.
Hell is an absence of love.

God is love. Jesus overcame the powers of Hell on the Cross. The powers of Hell were unleashed fully upon Him which is why He cried "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me." As I said, Hell is an absense of love and God is love. But even in all that blackness, all that pain. all that suffering, all that injustice, there was still a light. That Light was in Jesus and that Light was Jesus, for inside of Jesus' heart there was love for man and there was love for God - "Father forgive them because they do not know what it is they are doing"
Because God accepted Jesus as a pure sacrifice, we are washed clean by the blood of His Lamb.

Rom. 8:38,39
"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE OF GOD that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

God will always LOVE US with the LOVE OF GOD that is in Christ Jesus because through Him we have surety of God's love for us.

But knowing that God loves us is not enough if we then reject Jesus because in Him we are saved.

It would be a bit like saying, I love the light from the lightbulb but I do not believe that the light bulb exists and I do not believe in the source of power that lights up the light bulb in the first place.

Utter nonsense. Sure you all love the light. But do not reject either the light bulb nor its source of power. It shines for you.

peace

c20

Excellen't thread.

(my salute's to Nevyn O'kane)

Hell will also be a thrill to live in considering St. Augustine, Francis, and Paul will all be there.
We'll get to watch them all burn in hell for having been born human.

George Carlin will also be nice to end up with.

I thought I might try my hand at Hell is...

Hell is always having to say you are sorry.
Hell is being told you are not worthy to live another day.
Hell is watching children be raped whilst you are a child yourself.
Hell is instigated by god.
Hell is being raped.
Hell is condoned by god.
Hell is being tortured.
Hell is sanctioned by god.
Hell is having your children taken off you whilst the person snatching them sneers at your pain.
Hell is watching society and family structures crumble around you.
Hell is feeling powerless to stop evil from happening.
Hell is an absence of love.
HELL!, is the devil,god.
and all brought to you by your friendly, loving, all powerful god.!

Hell is an absence of love.

Damn, then I am living in constant hell... you know what, I kinda like it...

and all brought to you by your friendly, loving, all powerful god.!

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

pavlosmarcos, you make a grave mistake by despising the one who made you.

God's intentions are always good. He is patient with everyone. Waiting for them to seek Him. God is Spirit. He cannot be seen. He is like the wind. A Father to us all. Yet we do not see this because we are blinded by the world. We have taken the gift and negated the giver. We love our own selves and feel self sufficient yet we cannot escape death. While we may think 80 years is enough, it will never be enough for the love you have concerning your family and friends. That kind of thing is imperishable. Eternal life is ours by grace. We could not earn grace. It is a free gift. Jesus paid for it. For our sakes.

peace

c20

c20H25N3o: Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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M*W: Don't you realize that the God of Genesis was Aten, the Sun God? It was the sun that created the heavens and earth -- not some supernatural entity.
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c20: you make a grave mistake by despising the one who made you.
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M*W: I don't think any of us truly despise our parents for creating us, or hating evolution for evolving us to the status of the God of Humanity. Nothing would be here without the sun -- the ONLY CREATOR!
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c20: God's intentions are always good. He is patient with everyone. Waiting for them to seek Him. God is Spirit. He cannot be seen. He is like the wind. A Father to us all. Yet we do not see this because we are blinded by the world. We have taken the gift and negated the giver. We love our own selves and feel self sufficient yet we cannot escape death. While we may think 80 years is enough, it will never be enough for the love you have concerning your family and friends. That kind of thing is imperishable. Eternal life is ours by grace. We could not earn grace. It is a free gift. Jesus paid for it. For our sakes.
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M*W: Explain God's 'intentions.' Explain God's 'patience.' Explain why you think God is Spirit. Explain why your God cannot be 'seen.' Explain what you mean by 'blinded by the world.' You're decidedly right -- 80 years is not enough time between family and friends. That's why we grieve when someone we love departs. Explain and provide evidence of eternal life, and those you know who attained eternal life following death. c20, if you document these questions with proof, you would probably convert everyone on sciforums! All we ask for is the evidence.

c20H25N3o: Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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M*W: Don't you realize that the God of Genesis was Aten, the Sun God? It was the sun that created the heavens and earth -- not some supernatural entity.
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c20: you make a grave mistake by despising the one who made you.
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M*W: I don't think any of us truly despise our parents for creating us, or hating evolution for evolving us to the status of the God of Humanity. Nothing would be here without the sun -- the ONLY CREATOR!
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c20: God's intentions are always good. He is patient with everyone. Waiting for them to seek Him. God is Spirit. He cannot be seen. He is like the wind. A Father to us all. Yet we do not see this because we are blinded by the world. We have taken the gift and negated the giver. We love our own selves and feel self sufficient yet we cannot escape death. While we may think 80 years is enough, it will never be enough for the love you have concerning your family and friends. That kind of thing is imperishable. Eternal life is ours by grace. We could not earn grace. It is a free gift. Jesus paid for it. For our sakes.
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M*W: Explain God's 'intentions.' Explain God's 'patience.' Explain why you think God is Spirit. Explain why your God cannot be 'seen.' Explain what you mean by 'blinded by the world.' You're decidedly right -- 80 years is not enough time between family and friends. That's why we grieve when someone we love departs. Explain and provide evidence of eternal life, and those you know who attained eternal life following death. c20, if you document these questions with proof, you would probably convert everyone on sciforums! All we ask for is the evidence.

Jesus came as a human being, was crucified and was ressurected. This should be enough for you.

peace

c20

pavlosmarcos is an atheist, I dont think he cares. how can you despise that which does not exist.
you cannot be harmed by "nothing", there is no power in nothing.

there are I believe over 600 evil deeds directly and indirectly caused by god and about 200 good deeds, in the kjb.
everything said has been researched I suggest you do the same.

oh and stop, for you god sake, trying to impress upon us the error in our ways.
we all came to our conclusion though study, we want to be where we are and who we are, we are not sheep, we dont have a shepard, and dont need one. thank you.

c20H25N3o: Jesus came as a human being, was crucified and was ressurected. This should be enough for you.
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M*W: Sorry, it's not, because PAUL WROTE THIS -- not Jesus -- and Paul is not a credible source.

pavlosmarcos is an atheist, I dont think he cares. how can you despise that which does not exist.
you cannot be harmed by "nothing", there is no power in nothing.

there are I believe over 600 evil deeds directly and indirectly caused by god and about 200 good deeds, in the kjb.
everything said has been researched I suggest you do the same.

oh and stop, for you god sake, trying to impress upon us the error in our ways.
we all came to our conclusion though study, we want to be where we are and who we are, we are not sheep, we dont have a shepard, and dont need one. thank you.

If you know you are right, I will be nothing more than an annoying fly in the summer. Just brush me aside.

Thanks

c20

c20H25N3o: Jesus came as a human being, was crucified and was ressurected. This should be enough for you.
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M*W: Whazzamata, you can't provide evidence or answer my questions? Then you have no evidence nor can you answer my questions. You're copping out as usual, answering a question with a question. What a lousy christian witness you are! The reason you can't answer is because you don't have the truth nor proof. Why are you wasting our time with your worthless preaching?

c20H25N3o: Jesus came as a human being, was crucified and was ressurected. This should be enough for you.
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M*W: Whazzamata, you can't provide evidence or answer my questions? Then you have no evidence nor can you answer my questions. You're copping out as usual, answering a question with a question. What a lousy christian witness you are! The reason you can't answer is because you don't have the truth nor proof. Why are you wasting our time with your worthless preaching?

God is in my heart. He came to be there when I allowed Him in. He is wonderful. I came to share His love.

peace

c20

c20H25N3o: God is in my heart. He came to be there when I allowed Him in. He is wonderful. I came to share His love.
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M*W: Again, YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! No one gives a rat's ass what you delude to be in your heart. We want evidence. We want proof. If you are truly a christian, then you should have plenty of answers and multitudes of evidence. Let's hear it. If you avoid another post questioning your religion, then you obviously are a liar -- just like Paul.

Medicine Woman:
M*W: Again, YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! No one gives a rat's ass what you delude to be in your heart. We want evidence. We want proof. If you are truly a christian, then you should have plenty of answers and multitudes of evidence. Let's hear it. If you avoid another post questioning your religion, then you obviously are a liar -- just like Paul.
Don't you ever get tired of being a pestering fly for other pestering flies?

gendanken: Medicine Woman: Don't you ever get tired of being a pestering fly for other pestering flies?
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M*W: NEVER! As long as christianity exists, I will always be the pestering fly in their holy ointment.

Medicine Woman:
M*W: NEVER! As long as christianity exists, I will always be the pestering fly in their holy ointment.
*chuckle*

Nice to think about, but you're up against a wad of cotton.
Had a talk with mother once (an ignorant, Christian cow) and tried to show her the lunacy of immaculate conception.
Know what I saw an hour later?
A life lesson.

Emotional beliefs cannot be toppled with reason, reason is nothing to a wad of cotton.

"You're up against a condition, an illness, a something that can't be changed by talking, screaming, or beating it.

What are you doing?"-g

I told this to a leftist liberal here who somehow thinks his rage is effective or conducive to change in a state where reason is a non-thing.

THe irony is that the only people who have to worry about going to hell are the religious nutters who actually believe in it.

Atheist know that there is no after life, they are smart enough to understand that religious dogma is aimed at the childish weak willed people who cant think for them selves and perpetuated by an institution of power hungry maniacs.

An atheist is completely at ease with death and do not burden them self with mythical after life. Death is the end, the eternal darkness devoid of consciousness. WE know that our conscious mind (soul) can't be traded, owned or corrupted, that it ceases to exist when your brain dies.

Atheists are free of sin. Atheist are nether evil nor good. Atheist can't be corrupted, we are the free self confident expression of modern culture. As the world of man becomes more educated the absurd magical fantasies of the power hungry religious organizations will be exposed naked to the wonderful power of the intelligence and reason.

right on, blindman, right on, well said.

M*W: I can almost see c20, standing there and saying, must put my truth deflectors on, must go into politician mode, and answer question with question. must become a bricklayer and build a wall. you can see him put cotton wall in his ears, hold his hands over his ears, and shout la la la I cant hear you la la la.
mind you there almost all the same, these fundis.

right on, blindman, right on, well said.

M*W: I can almost see c20, standing there and saying, must put my truth deflectors on, must go into politician mode, and answer question with question. must become a bricklayer and build a wall. you can see him put cotton wall in his ears, hold his hands over his ears, and shout la la la I cant hear you la la la.
mind you there almost all the same, these fundis.

It is not I who has their eyes shut to the message of Love. Love never fails. Love is eternal. Love never dies. I am that I am.

peace

c20

nobody has shut there eyes to love, they shut there eyes to an imaginary lover.

but we are sick of your constant preaching , your not listening,(ie we dont need saving ) and you incessant avoidances of answers, and not providing evidence for any of your claims.
who gives a running f@*#, whether you are who you f@*#ing are, just do the right thing, after all your a frigging xian.
just dont preach.

nobody has shut there eyes to love, they shut there eyes to an imaginary lover.

but we are sick of your constant preaching , your not listening,(ie we dont need saving ) and you incessant avoidances of answers, and not providing evidence for any of your claims.
who gives a running f@*#, whether you are who you f@*#ing are, just do the right thing, after all your a frigging xian.
answer dont preach.

You are asking me to provide evidence of love. Love just is and is plain to see. I just happen to believe that love is eternal and that those who live in love are to be ressurected from the dead, to live in love forever.

I hold faith to these words of The Holy Scriptures and these words I provide you as evidence. It is up to you whether you believe them or not. I cannot force you to drink them in and rejoice in them as I do.

Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. KJV

peace

c20

WTF there is something seriously wrong with you, nobody has shut there eyes to love, they shut there eyes to an imaginary lover..You are asking me to provide evidence of love.

nobody ask you to provide evidence of love, we know that. but we are sick of your constant preaching , your not listening,(ie we dont need saving ) and you incessant avoidances of answers, and not providing evidence for any of your claims.
who gives a running f@*#, whether you are who you f@*#ing are, just do the right thing, after all your a frigging xian.
just dont preach. and there you go preaching for f@*# sake, man. go see a doctor pleaseeeeeeeee, you sick in the head.

WTF there is something seriously wrong with you, .

nobody ask you to provide evidence of love, we know that. and there you go preaching for f@*# sake, man. go see a doctor pleaseeeeeeeee, you sick in the head.

Why Am I bothering you? This is a religious forum for discussing faith and religion. Is the Christian banned from the religious forum on Sci-Forums? Perhaps you should hand me over to the web master to see if I should be removed for your sake, that you may not have to suffer hearing about the Christian faith in a religious forum anymore. Perhaps you should just ask the web master if he could change the title from 'Religion' To 'Atheists Only'. Then you might be happy. See if the web master agrees with you.

peace

c20

Spot on with LSD's mind fahrenheit 451. :)

It is not I who has their eyes shut to the message of Love. Love never fails. Love is eternal. Love never dies. I am that I am.
LSD you have a lot to learn about love. It does not come from a book, it comes naturally to all. Only an atheist can know the true meaning of love, we are not clouded with dogma. We are free to enjoy the bountiful rewards of love

Most of us know what your saying LSD. Substitute god with love and the preacher does preach.
"It is not I who has their eyes shut to the message of God. God never fails. God is eternal. God never dies."
You even capitalized the word love at the end of the first sentence, you cant fool us but I'm not sure if you haven't fooled yourself..

Spot on with LSD's mind fahrenheit 451. :)


LSD you have a lot to learn about love. It does not come from a book, it comes naturally to all. Only an atheist can know the true meaning of love, we are not clouded with dogma. We are free to enjoy the bountiful rewards of love

Most of us know what your saying LSD. Substitute god with love and the preacher does preach.
"It is not I who has their eyes shut to the message of God. God never fails. God is eternal. God never dies."
You even capitalized the word love at the end of the first sentence, you cant fool us but I'm not sure if you haven't fooled yourself..

Am I to be called stupid because I preach the ressurection? That we may live in love for all time?

peace

c20

Stupid for believing in fairy tales..
Happy ever after..

I can see is point, your not discussing anything are you, so your not adhearing to your part of the conversation which, make it a non-discussion, but instead listen everybody I am speaking, hear me preach.
every post you do, you crave attention.
if you carry on you will only alienate people.
which is exactly what you are doing, we find you obnoxious, and I say this with the full conviction I'm right.
there are a lot of religious people on this site and I'm sure they even are sick of you, you make them look bad. have you noticed there are less talking on these forums at the moment, well us atheist have.
yes it is a discussion forum but your not discussing, your telling.
here is a site where their all like you, they have all sorts of denominations to do battle with too.
go there you'll like it.
http://www.christianforums.com/

but dont forget the doctors on the way.

I can see is point, your not discussing anything are you, so your not adhearing to your part of the conversation which, make it a non-discussion, but instead listen everybody I am speaking, hear me preach.
every post you do, you crave attention.
if you carry on you will only alienate people.
which is exactly what you are doing, we find you obnoxious, and I say this with the full conviction I'm right.
there are a lot of religious people on this site and I'm sure they even are sick of you, you make them look bad. have you noticed there are less talking on these forums at the moment, well us atheist have.
yes it is a discussion forum but your not discussing, your telling.
here is a site where their all like you, they have all sorts of denominations to do battle with too.
go there you'll like it.
http://www.christianforums.com/
but dont forget the doctors on the way.

I am talking about the Christian faith in a religious forum. I have a personal view on it which is why I am using this forum to share my ideas. Religion is about faith and in my case, the Christian faith. This is what I am discussing. I am not seeking your approval. Who are you that I should seek your approval? And who are you to tell me to go to another forum. If you have a problem with me personally, please speak to the web master.

Thanks

c20

well said blindman fahrenheit and misty, he is not of this planet, but I do feel sorry for him, it must be hard being him.

c20H25N3o: I am talking about the Christian faith in a religious forum.
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M*W: But this is NOT a christian forum. Therefore, we don't want to hear anymore of your witnessing.
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c20: I have a personal view on it which is why I am using this forum to share my ideas.
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M*W: Your ideas are NOT well-received on the Religion Forum.
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c20: Religion is about faith and in my case, the Christian faith. This is what I am discussing.
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M*W: No, you're wrong. There is MORE to the study of religion than faith. All you seem to write about is YOUR faith -- YOUR testimony.
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c20: I am not seeking your approval. Who are you that I should seek your approval?
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M*W: No, you're preaching incessantly and trying to convert the sciforums members. You preach repetitively. It may be interesting to you but not to the rest of us.
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c20: And who are you to tell me to go to another forum. If you have a problem with me personally, please speak to the web master.
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M*W: Perhaps you'd be happier there. The problem that I have and think other members have is that you believe YOUR FAITH to be the ultimate faith. Yet, you cannot back-up or document anything you BELIEVE ON FAITH, because you have not researched nor read anything but the Bible, and then you posts tons of scripture, which most of us have thoroughly read -- that's why most of us are atheists on the Religion Forum.

Firstly, in the meantime, I suggest you do some 'outside of the bible' reading about Paul, creation and evolution, and Jesus. There's enough on the Internet to give you a proper education.

Secondly, I suggest you browse through the other Forums on sciforums, you might be more educated or well-read in some of the other forums.

Thirdly, I would ask James R, our moderator, to relocate your preaching to the Cesspool, where your posts belong.

Personally I don't care if he does his little brainless preaching. We've all heard it before a gazillion times. It's like constantly watching a repeat of last weeks lottery, already knowing the result is utter bollocks.

However, what I do have issue with is the way he either

A) Cannot comprehend what a question is

B) Cannot understand how to answer a question

C) Can't read English

or

D) Cannot answer the questions, but can only preach.

If he answered the questions and then preached, it wouldn't be all that bad. Instead, he ignores every question and still preaches.

god might have taught him the rules of salvation, but he didn't teach him the rules concerning the almighty question mark.

Hell is always having to say you are sorry.
Hell is being told you are not worthy to live another day.
Hell is watching children be raped whilst you are a child yourself.
Hell is being raped.
Hell is being tortured.
Hell is having your children taken off you whilst the person snatching them sneers at your pain.
Hell is watching society and family structures crumble around you.
Hell is feeling powerless to stop evil from happening.
Hell is an absence of love.

God is love. Jesus overcame the powers of Hell on the Cross. The powers of Hell were unleashed fully upon Him which is why He cried "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me." As I said, Hell is an absense of love and God is love. But even in all that blackness, all that pain. all that suffering, all that injustice, there was still a light. That Light was in Jesus and that Light was Jesus, for inside of Jesus' heart there was love for man and there was love for God - "Father forgive them because they do not know what it is they are doing"
Because God accepted Jesus as a pure sacrifice, we are washed clean by the blood of His Lamb.
Hell is always having to say you are sorry - something I was taught to do at Sunday school - to always feel guilty.
Hell is being told you are not worthy to live another day - something I was frequently told at Sunday school, and believe me I have not had the worst kinds of religious education, as suffered by the previous generation, particularly in Ireland (but which may be still going on today for all I know).
Hell is watching children be raped whilst you are a child yourself - as practiced very often by priests forced into an unnatural and unscriptural celibacy.
Hell is being raped - see above.
Hell is being tortured - again, something specialised in by people of a religious disposition; the Inquisition; Witch-burning, the list goes on and on.
Hell is having your children taken off you whilst the person snatching them sneers at your pain - again something religion has done for centuries to people it considered unworthy for whatever reason (now performed by social services).
Hell is watching society and family structures crumble around you. (That is true - I can't blame religion for that).
Hell is feeling powerless to stop evil from happening - particularly when you're constantly told that "God is love", and yet never, ever, ever shows it. compare 26 Dec.
Hell is an absence of love - or a ban on giving or receiving love for the sole reason that you prefer to express love to people of the same sex (or someone of a different race).