View Full Version : Hell discovered to be real (FACT!)


IB4GZUS
07-06-99, 02:01 AM
I recently discovered an article that talks about scientists in Cyberia who recorded the sounds of hell. I recommend you take a look at this site for some evidence that is unrefutable. Please also be aware that the sound clip may scare you for it is a copy of the audio clip from the expedition.
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html (http://www.av1161.org/hell.html)

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Boris
07-06-99, 02:50 AM
Awesome!

Though I have a somewhat more mundane explanation:

superheated gases and water vapour shooting into an obviously very deep bore, and resonating within this 'bottomless well'. In addition to the hissing water and the natural 'growling' of the magma under the crust resonating within the deep well, the turbulence of mixing hot air coming up from the 'cavity' and the colder air created by the bore and its cooling water would generate a hell of a wind (pun intended). And you know how wind sounds in chimneys sometimes...

Though I wish Art didn't clean up the tape; their filters make it sound a bit artificial. (sounds like like there are lots of disconnected artificially-generated harmonics over small frames in the sample...)

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generalhurrss
07-07-99, 06:47 PM
Nice one Boris.
There is no place called hell, we live it.
YAAAAAHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yin Yang
07-17-99, 05:52 PM
Hell is what we all make of our here and now and so is Heaven, lets not be too keen to reach the end of our short existance....

Our Spirits harmonize with Mother Earth.

Peace.

zygos
07-19-99, 12:16 AM
ah..yeah Hell exists, but not in this dimension, not even on this earth, or in it for that matter. And I don't even think they still call it hell. I mean the name was changed originally to protect the innocent.

Yours zygos

IB4GZUS
07-21-99, 02:28 AM
This is factual evidence of the existence of hell and yet people continue to doubt it. It kind of makes one wonder what it will take to transform our human way of thinking.

Carla Rolfe
07-23-99, 08:21 AM
IB4,

there will come a day when every knee will bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ, is Lord.

Until then, humanity will continue to reject Him, and reject salvation.

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In His peace... Carla

Xeno
07-23-99, 02:15 PM
Arg.
I hate it when I have to come onto
a topic like this and explain how confused
people are.

First off, there is no hell, well not
in the way many of you think it to be as.

Hell is the state of sufferment.
When you die, you don't go to a dimension
where you are torchered for eternity,
or to a furnace where you are burned
by flames and stabbed by naked men
with pitchforks.
It's more than that. I'm sorry,
but if you think like that, then you
truly do not grasp the general picture
thus you think in the 3rd dimension,
earth-centered type universe.

All hell is, is the state of sufferment.
This can occour anywhere, anytime.
In 3rd dimension thinking, one must
pass through hell before they can reach
heaven.

I.E. - imagine your very soul being ripped
away from you. Imagine this, what do you
feel? Now imagine yourself being disconnected
from reality and killed off from existence,
both physically and spiritually and that
you will never again exist in any form.
That, by far, is the highest form of hell
you could possibly ever think off since
that would be a state of eternal suffering.

That's just one way of thinking about it.
However, there are other kinds, less
severe forms of hell.
A physical example would be stubbing
your toe and feeling pain for a few
seconds. There's pain there is there not,
so would that not be hell?

Another example is being yelled at
by a boss, or experiencing discomfort
through embarrassment among people.
That would be an emotional form off
hell, not because you are suffering
physically, but rather mentally.

As for heaven, I'm not going to bother
explaining that. I've been posting
messages on another topic called
"Evolution vs. Creations" by Snappy.
My discussions should be on the
bottom of page 3 and somewhere in
page 4.

I gotta go now.

-Dan

Lori
07-23-99, 02:46 PM
Oh, poor Dan the martyr! How tired you must be having to teach all of us dummies. By the way, who gave you all of the answers to the questions of the universe, let me guess, an alien???? LMAO!

Xeno
07-23-99, 04:53 PM
Lori,
Just shutup.
Stop trying to piss me off with these
alien conspiracies of yours because it
isn't going to work.
Besides, in all of my posts, where
did I insult you? I think you are
just jealous that I can think better
than you.
Now come up with something better than
what I said about hell. What do you
think it is... a mystical place where
you go to and get burned for eternity
and stabbed by naked, red, horned goat/men.
Oh yes, can't forget about the planet
sized man you call the devil now can
we?

-Dan

Bruce
07-23-99, 06:53 PM
I heard this autio clip on hell and it sounds like hell to me.
Now Dr.Azzacove said "As a communist I don't believe in heaven or
the Bible but as a scientist I now believe in hell," I think that is pretty good
coming from a communist, he believes more than some church members. I think it just conforms what the Bible tells us all along that there is a hell.
How about you atheists?????????
Suppose there is a hell?
Suppose there is a GOD?
Suppose The Bible is true?
Suppose Jesus is the only way to heaven?

Xeno
07-23-99, 08:12 PM
I'm gonna start a new topic based
on hell and the afterlife and all
that.

-Dan

Carla Rolfe
07-26-99, 11:59 AM
Bruce,

you asked:


"Suppose there is a hell?"

Then what Jesus taught about it, is real. Literal. Eternal.

"Suppose there is a GOD?"

Then what Jesus told us about Him is real. Literal. Eternal.

"Suppose The Bible is true?"

Then what it says is real. Literal. Eternal.

"Suppose Jesus is the only way to heaven?"

Then alot of people are taking an incredidbly large gamble, with eternity.



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In His peace... Carla

Boris
07-26-99, 03:47 PM
Suppose you are full of it.
Then hell's just another empty word.

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Bruce
07-26-99, 11:19 PM
Carla:

I appreciate your response, it couldn't have been said any better.

Lord bless you,

Bruce

issola
07-29-99, 10:13 PM
So just where is Cyberia? Last I heard it was a video game from Interplay.

Anyway, the link was dead when I tried to follow it at 5:00pm PDT, so I didn't get to hear the scary, processed tape. But if I recall, the last time I heard about hell being discovered, it was sulphur and fire from a hole in the ground and the wind whistling eerily through the rocks.

Either that, or Hell is the Catholic high school I attended.

Xeno
07-29-99, 10:47 PM
Bruce, Carla.
All I have to say is that I pity you
and your ways of religious thinking.
Stop thinking in the 3rd dimension
and start thinking generalistically
at higher levels.

-Dan

Boris
07-29-99, 10:56 PM
Generalistically?

Wow. I do believe we are witnessing the birth of a new word, ladies and gentlemen. Is'nt it cool how new language emerges and evolves?

(Nothing personal Xeno -- just an amusing observation...)

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402
08-07-99, 06:29 AM
IMHO, regardless of recordings of "Hell" or of "Heaven", the need to offer up "proof" of evidence that one's faith or belief system is
valid or the only "true" f/bs, suggests that there is an inherent doubt in one's f/bs.

If one is truly confident in their f/bs then why is external validaton needed? This seems to echo a foundational insecurity that what is said to be absolute as a f/bs for any individual is in actuality, not absolute.

As well, there is indication that the proof or validation of one's f/bs is comes from the base idea that what one believes to be true, is internally in question on all levels.

The need to convert or convince another that "my way is the only way" speaks clearly that I am trying to validate myself and my f/bs.
Whereby, the converting or convincing of another, creates a margin of safety for my own doubts and confusion regarding my f/bs.

This is not directed towards any particular f/bs. No offense inteded.

Perhaps such externalization of proof indicates that closer examination of one's f/bs, is needed. Until such a point is reached that one's f/bs can be enjoyed and fully understood intrinsically, extrinsic expression might best be curtailed unless amongst one's closest peers.

Additionally, regardless of one's f/bs, the rote memorization of scripture or sacred passages does not automatically confer true understanding or knowledge of what is actually written in such texts.

Quite often, rote memorization is taken to be knowledge or wisdom in any particular f/bs.
This can be a very dangerous misinterpretation on anyone's part.

Xeno
08-07-99, 04:20 PM
Boris,
what do you see me as?
Are you a friend, or an enemy?
Are you supportive, or unsupportive?
What's so wrong with general perspective?

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Take a fight for instance.
There are three people. Two are fighting
and the 3rd is standing back and watching
from the distance. Both people in
the fight claim that the other started
it. However, the 3rd person who's
been watching simply knows who did
just by analysing the situation.
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-Dan

Hippie
08-08-99, 02:21 PM
Beautifully put, 402! Religion is utterly personal and for one person to say they have the truth is only to say "this is my belief", which cannot be argued from him. He, in turn, wants to convince others of his "truth" so that he can have a support group for it when he experiences doubt.
But what convinces him does not convince me. And threats of punishment if I don't accept his truth is a subtle act of war, something every religion should abhor.
But intelligent minds need to be stimulated by conversation, and the best conversation is borne of something one feels passionate about. That passion can sometimes turn warlike in it's zeal, but such is the ego of humankind.

~peace~
Hippie tkseeker@hotmail.com

402
08-08-99, 04:18 PM
Thanks Hippie!

As you put it, the forcing of one's f/bs is at time very war like. (not verbatim)

It is my feeling that the time has come for all people to not use their f/bs as a shield in their personal/group "wars", but, rather turn the shield over and employ it as a serving dish from which all people may sample and learn with & through each other's perspectives.

The common thread that binds us all is there to be had if only we put aside the blinders that have held apart for so long. We have for centuries, been walking side by side and just haven't see each other.

There have been too many wars and hurt as a result of misguided/misunderstood f/bs.

Several thousand years is quite enough!

Xeno
08-08-99, 08:07 PM
Hippie, 402:

What is this? Are you directing these
posts at me or what?

-Dan

402
08-09-99, 01:44 AM
Xeno,

No shots thrown Bro! your post is well taken in fact. You point out the difference between actuality and reality very well in your last post.

The gap between actuality and reality is the very thing that has brougth about so much division among the people of earth for so many centuries!

Shine one my friend!!

Hippie
08-09-99, 11:59 PM
No, Dan, it wasn't meant for you in particular. I was responding to 402, who's post sounded pretty general to me. Don't be so sensitive!

~peace~
Hippie

Hippie
08-10-99, 12:21 AM
By the way, the original topic to this string was this guy who said he heard a tape recording and someone told him it was hell. He believed it. He says it's proof that hell exists. Proof! He's the one I was saying was convinced and I wasn't. He's the one who posted again wondering what it will take to convince people that his belief is right and we're stupid to not join in. Good grief! How easily he can be fooled! He wasn't there in hell making this recording, was he? And nobody here (even you who believe in hell) has stepped up and pointed out that in order to record the sounds of hell one must travel there. Do you really believe you can turn left at Albuquerque and go X amount of miles and find hell?

Look, all I'm saying to him is: DON'T BELIEVE WHAT IS TOLD TO YOU, and if you do believe, don't insult me because I choose to be a little more demanding in my "proof" than you.


~peace~
Hippie

Xeno
08-10-99, 04:48 AM
Yes hippie,
that is correct.

And what have I been saying all along
everyone?

Hell is nothing more than a state that
people go through; nothing more than a
state of sufferment

-Dan

IB4GZUS
08-21-99, 03:24 AM
Hippie,

It seems as if you are making it sound like my belief is based on this sound clip I heard. The fact is, I don't need proof or evidences that hell is real, because I know it is. And this isn't the only evidence that has presented itself to the world, aside from existence of hell, but you should research the Bible, and you will find that prophecies are being fulfilled one by one. I will be glad to tell which those are, as they are several now. This is not something I'm trying to shove down your spirit, but even in Jesus' time, regardless of how many miraculous things he did, many still didn't believe. Coincidence that this still happens today? I think not.

Mando

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FyreStar
08-21-99, 10:44 AM
IB4 -
Which is it? First you present us with this dubious sound clip, proclaiming it to be valid proof that hell exists. Now you say your belief is based rather on your religious views.

This is a fundamental difference in the arguements between participants in debates such as these. For the religious types (in most cases), circumstantial evidence + faith = fact. For the scientific types, a fact does not exist unless it is backed up by testable, repeatable, observable evidence. Some people simply do not have the faith that you do, and so to them, your arguements are flawed and ineffectual. Similarly, their arguements ignore an important factor in your existance, and therefore become irrelevant to you. Something to keep in mind when presenting items for consideration.

FyreStar

Tiassa
08-21-99, 12:09 PM
So, IB, you need no proof that Hell exists because you already know it does. That reminds me of Saint Anselm: "I cannot see God, I cannot hear God, I cannot touch God. But I am imperfect, so there must be something perfect. That perfection is God." Or something like that.

We could try the dumbest a priori I've ever heard:

"I believe (fill in the blank) because it says to in the Bible."
-Why because the Bible?
"Because God says so"
-How do you know God says so?
"It's in the Bible."
-Why does the bible mean God?
"Because God says so."
-How do you know?
"It's in the Bible."

Go ahead and believe in Hell; the way I see it, Christians generally follow God's commands because they're afraid of Hell. Thus they go to church, give their money, quell their childrens' imaginations, and vote to ban rock and roll music. All because God doesn't like (fill in the blank).

I personally don't do as much outreach as I would like to; but on those days that I get off my butt and do something for the world it's because I think the world will be better off for said action, not because I'm afraid of a little book that I can get in the cheapest of motel rooms.

Face it, the schools are going to . . . well, I guess that phrase is out. Anyway, the schools are falling apart and we can't teach the kids what they need to know because their parents are afraid of Hell.

Or, to paraphrase the Salem-Keizer (Oregon) school board: Your children will not go to Hell because the school library has a copy of McCammon's "Demon Walk" or L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time."

Ever read the "Malleus Maleficarum"? It's a recipe book for torture; people tortured other people according to this book's methods because they were afraid of Hell. That same panic left two villages in the Bishopric of Trier, Germany, with only a single female inhabitant apiece, neither of childbearing capability. All because they were afraid of Hell.

Racists in the United States kill because they're afraid of Hell.

And that's all Hell is worth.

I might add here, as well, that Satan was only a social idea, much like our word, "Evil," in its vagary. Satan as the entity we know was fashioned only after the Christians encountered Zoroastrianism and Manichianism in Persia. The finishing touches came later, combining images and ideas from Greece to Ireland. The "Prince of Hell" role is almost entirely fictional (as compared to... let's call the Bible allegorical? historical? sociological or anthropological?)

Lastly, if your sound clip comes from Cyberia, then why are we arguing? I agree with Issola that it's pointless to argue about a soundclip from a bloody video game.

But the rest of the debate was kinda fun.

thx,
Tiassa

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Infinity
06-09-00, 05:22 PM
Hey, the link to the sound clip isn't working. Fix it!!!

Bowser
06-09-00, 05:43 PM
I guess Hell is broken. I couldn't get the page to load...

"The page cannot be displayed"

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It's all very large.

tablariddim
06-09-00, 06:17 PM
Hey,
now we know where hell is, we could just nuke it man...problem fucking solved!

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MoonCat
06-09-00, 10:23 PM
:D :D :D

Tabb, oh man, you got me rolling with that one! (wiping tears of mirth from my eyes) Thanks babe, I always love a good laugh.

:D :D :D

Xeno
06-10-00, 12:20 AM
"I believe (fill in the blank) because it says to in the Bible."
-Why because the Bible?
"Because God says so"
-How do you know God says so?
"It's in the Bible."
-Why does the bible mean God?
"Because God says so."
-How do you know?
"It's in the Bible."



:D LOL, that's so funny. I've always
thought that there was something wrong
with the way Christians think about
things. I didn't know how to put it,
but she just said it right there.
When I read it, I was laughing :D

My brother was going through some harsh
times a while back. He talked to a
lady who went to Church and told her
about it all and her response was
10 seconds of cluelessness followed by
a response one would expect to hear:
"It's the work of the Devil."

Christians are the nicest people in the
world. I know that for a fact. But,
if there is one thing I know for sure
about them it is that they narrow down
anything negative or bad down to 1
or 2 or 3 certain responses:
1) It's the work of the devil
2) The Devil's trying to control you
or
3) You're being possessed by the Devil.
I guess it all goes back to what I quoted
above. If something's got you down, its
because of the Devil. Why? Because it
says so in the bible. Why can't you
go against the bible? Because God said
so. Man, what a vicious cycle this is.

Tiassa
06-10-00, 12:33 AM
Oh, Wow, man ...

Xeno, you pay more than a compliment. Back then, I hadn't thought anybody noticed. In fact, I had forgotten about that entirely until the topic popped back up recently.

Your words do me a great kindness. Of the argumentative difficulty ... it's one of the fundamental things I haven't been able to figure about many religions.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

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