What I don't like about member anonymity is it's very hard figuring out what sex that member is unless they say something that would indicate it. But that's not very often.

Is there a feature on SciForums where the member's sex can be displayed?

— Peace, Love, Health, and Happiness to all! Âðelwulf.

I don't know, but there should be.

I'm a she, by the way.

I wouldn't care to post here, but as I have been mistaken to be a man a couple of times lately, I had quite an amusement at it ...

Ah, who cares? But it would be handy if there was something in the profile about gender and not only about biography, occupation and so on.

Yes, age, gender, address, sexual preferences, etc... :rolleyes:
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I couldn't care less what gender a particepant of a discussion is.

Back when I just started posting I wanted to appear as a man, and did so very successfully. Therefore, even when they do tell you what gender they are, you're still in the dark.

Who cares about age+gender+etc? Well, if you're planning to meet the person, yes, that would matter. But that's not what sciforums is for.

Back when I just started posting I wanted to appear as a man, and did so very successfully.
That's nothing hard. Most of the readers of my lv weblog think I'm a girl. :D
Stereotypes.. :rolleyes:

Gender can matter when you want to refer to someone... it can be awful awkward to say "she" when the person you're talking about is in fact a man, or vice versa.

hmm, I don't see a problem in that.
and you can always refer using the name only.

hmm, I don't see a problem in that.

Ya don't?!

and you can always refer using the name only.

Ya know what Avatar did yesterday? Avatar saw whitewolf at the coffee shop. Avatar asked whitewolf what whitewolf was gonna do tomorrow, and whitewolf told Avatar that whitewolf was planning to see Avatar again at that same coffee shop. Avatar realized that Avatar has an appointment at that time and can't make it. Avatar tells whitewolf this, and whitewolf changes whitewolf's plans so that whitewolf can see whitewolf's parents at that time.

Like that?

Actually, I kind of prefer gender anonymity, because people are more receptive to opinions when they don't expect others to fit into a mold (subconsciously or not..).

It would be very helpful to know the gender of members, so I can know if their posts are worth reading or not :p

Like that?
n/p, but I prefer to be refered to as us or we. :p

It would be very helpful to know the gender of members, so I can know if their posts are worth reading or not :p

rather sexist dont you think?

Like that?

Deities are usually known by multiple names. You can refer to me as Whitewolf, The Omniscient, The Omnipotent, etc. Gets your imagination going.

Besides, "he-she" or "it" isn't hard to type out, is it?

There is no value in gender. What matters is the information that an individual can provide, nothing more.

:m:

Right, on this board, only the mind of someone, not his dick/her vagina, is the important thing.

Besides, "he-she" or "it" isn't hard to type out, is it?

It's not, but it's also unnecessary to type "(s)he" and "him/her" when I could know which one to use. Also, "it" is disrespectful, in my opinion.

There is no value in gender. What matters is the information that an individual can provide, nothing more.
Right, on this board, only the mind of someone, not his dick/her vagina, is the important thing.

I agree with both of ya, but it would be nice to know if the other person is a dude or a dudette.

I'm not trying to be sexist or anything. I just like knowing a few details about people, so I have more to associate posts with.

If it makes people feel better, I'm okay with an option in the profile that hides one's sex from others, similar to the option to hide one's E-mail address.

rather sexist dont you think?
I agree equal rights, come on sisters lets burn our bras

Is there a feature on SciForums where the member's sex can be displayed?

It wouldn't matter. Really. I promise. Cues in posts are invisible to some people. Direct hints don't necessarily work. And there are a few, I'm sure, who hold it as a trump card.

All that needs to be displayed is IQ.

;)

I convinced three year sevens I was a mouse once...

Ha, I convinced FOUR year sevens my name was E.

A/S/L!! Type ***123*** if you wanna chat with meeeee!!!1!!!11

- N

Why is no one jumping at the prospect of not having to type "he or she" and "him/her" and shit like that?! I don't get it.

All that needs to be displayed is IQ.

;)

And how do ya propose we find out each other's IQ?

Why is no one jumping at the prospect of not having to type "he or she" and "him/her" and shit like that?! I don't get it.
Because no one else is lazy enough to care or finds it intrinsically interesting. whitewolf doesn't take that much longer to type than she, unless you're a really bad typist.
And how do ya propose we find out each other's IQ?
Ask nicely?

what sex you are shouldnt matter - unless you want to show it on your avatar.

Same way, why not insist on knowing each others ages ?

there all ready is a "whats your age" thread :)

We need a :What's your DNA sequence: thread.

And we also need to make it so that only those who provide medical records with their DNA sequence and a full psychiatric report can participate in discussions. Yeah, that way we'll know who's posting.

Why is no one jumping at the prospect of not having to type "he or she" and "him/her" and shit like that?! I don't get it.
Because you're solving the wrong problem.
The problem isn't that you don't know a person's sex.
The problem is that there is no gender neutral third person singular pronoun in English.

This problem has been addressed elsewhere, and solutions have been proposed. The difficulty is in implementing a solution - it's not a good solution until it's popular, and it's not likely to be popular until it's a good solution. Catch 22.

Have a read here: Wikipedia - epicene pronoun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicene_pronoun)

Personally, when the gender of the subject in question is unknown and irrelevant, I usually use "they" instead of he/she.

I like the idea of Spivak pronouns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun). Implementation is the difficulty. Maybe if a novellist used them in a hugely popular series??? (maybe I'll write to JK Rowling)

Pete, that's a great idea. In fact, I've been sitting here for about an hour thinking of a pronoun we could use. I want us to be original, ya know? I figured it could be SciForums's "word".

Here's what I've got:

Se.

se = he, she
sim = him, her
sine = his, her
sines = his, hers

Example:

Yesterday, Beryl told me something kool. Se said that se was being robbed by a burgular, but sine dog bit sim, and se didn't rob sim.

What do ya guys think about it? Wanna start using this word?

I think the use of sine would not be a good idea, especially in science forums. How about se/sim/ser/sers?

All that needs to be displayed is IQ.

;)

Really?

And then people with sky-high IQ post stuff like

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44725
and
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=767811#post767811

Yeah, right.

IQ alone tells you shit about what a person can say and understand.

Pete, that's a great idea. In fact, I've been sitting here for about an hour thinking of a pronoun we could use. I want us to be original, ya know? I figured it could be SciForums's "word".

Here's what I've got:

Se.

se = he, she
sim = him, her
sine = his, her
sines = his, hers

Example:

Yesterday, Beryl told me something kool. Se said that se was being robbed by a burgular, but sine dog bit sim, and se didn't rob sim.

What do ya guys think about it? Wanna start using this word?


Why not simply use IT, eh?

Generally, I believe people would object to being referred to as 'it', as it is more dehumanising in people's minds.

Generally, I believe people would object to being referred to as 'it', as it is more dehumanising in people's minds.

yeah, calling someone a THING is insulting. if you dont like making new words, you could say just 'whoever' insead of he or she.

Spivak rules!

E, em, eir, eirs, emself

Spivak rules!

Spivak - sounds like a vulcan on aceed, no thanks. :p

Let's put A/S/L next to the username, so that we can better assess our cybersex potentials.


Not...

Generally, I believe people would object to being referred to as 'it', as it is more dehumanising in people's minds.

Why?

Challenge this position:

Right, on this board, only the mind of someone, not his dick/her vagina, is the important thing.

If the mind is the important thing, then the mind is to be addressed.
It is odd to call the mind a "he/she".

Or, we are to agree that the mind isn't all that important, or that there are other factors in communication equally important as the mind, or ...

Why do people find it dehumanising, or why do I think people would object to it?
To the second, mainly because I wouldn't like to be referred to as 'it', and from experience with other people. For the first, I would suggest that it is because it lacks a social element, there is nothing in the sentence that identifies us as a person, which is after all the main point in most conversations. A brief and interesting introduction to this theory of social interaction is given in Games People Play by Eric Berne.

I'm not claiming that using 'it' to refer to people is an inferior method than using new gender-neutral words, just that most people prefer to be identified as such.

I was being rather facetious with that "it". Of course nobody (or almost nobody) would like to be addressed this way.
As much as we would like to be neutral, treat everyone equally -- we can't. We want certain words and labels -- or we become lost.

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

It puts the lotion in the basket.

Put the fucking lotion in the basket!!

You'd better not hurt my dog!!

If the mind is the important thing, then the mind is to be addressed.
It is odd to call the mind a "he/she".

Awfully eglatarian of you.
Mayhaps you'd like to look at this thread?
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44230&page=1&pp=20

It seems that on a board for science, we should keep our genders neutral lest our credentials be called on what's between our legs rather than our merit.

I've thought about the pronoun more, and I've made some edits, which I think are more logical. Here is the modified pronoun:

sou = subject (just like "I" and "thou")
se = object (just like "me" and "thee")
sy = possessive (just like "my" and "thy")
sine = possessive (just like "mine" and "thine")

I simply made it all analogous.

I think the use of sine would not be a good idea, especially in science forums.

Not really. It's all in the context. The scientific "sine" would be used as a noun, and the pronoun "sine" as a pronoun.

Examples:
"That book is sine." (Obviously a pronoun)
"Times that number by sine over seven to the thirteenth power." (Obviously the scientific one)

In addition, the same thing could be said about "mine". Do ya mean "of me" or "buried explosive"?

How about se/sim/ser/sers?

Good choices as well. I like mine better (only kuz they're mine - nothing against you or anything), but maybe we all could vote on it.

If the mind is the important thing, then the mind is to be addressed.
It is odd to call the mind a "he/she".

Awfully eglatarian of you.
Mayhaps you'd like to look at this thread?
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...30&page=1&pp=20

It seems that on a board for science, we should keep our genders neutral lest our credentials be called on what's between our legs rather than our merit.

Are you disagreeing with me?


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sou = subject (just like "I" and "thou")
se = object (just like "me" and "thee")
sy = possessive (just like "my" and "thy")
sine = possessive (just like "mine" and "thine")

And when such things become important, we can be sure that communication sucks anyway, and that noone has anything to say, so they focus on who is saying something, not on the what is being said.

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

It puts the lotion in the basket.

Put the fucking lotion in the basket!!

Like ... hm ... what's the use of lotion on an internet forum?


You'd better not hurt my dog!!

Hm. Here? How?

You'd better not hurt my dog!!

I freaking eat your silly little dog, i stuff it in the owen on 200 and make a splendit sauce, maybe brown or red wine sauce, carrots and potatoes will be needed to, i think they will go will with dog, your dog... former dog :)

Water and Kunax,

Is it possible that I've met two people who've not seen The Silence of the Lambs?
I thought that this was an excellent example of depersonalization through pronouns. Of course, it wasn't a perfect example for the purposes here as there never was uttered a she or he or her or him. But it did show the purposes of calling a she an it.

You see. Buffalo Bill was a bad man. So bad, in fact, that he wanted to be a woman. So he would kidnap women and place them in an old well shaft in the basement of his house and would plump them up and force them to apply lotion to certain areas of their bodies (depending on which part he was after at the moment.) You see, Buffalo Bill wanted to become a woman so bad that he decided to make himself a woman suit in the tradition of Ed Gein.

The lines I quoted showed how the depersonal degenerated to the very personal once anger and fear began to show itself. The first two lines were calmly spoken. She was an it in her entirety. The third line the facade was beginning to break. A pronoun wasn't used, but the command was first person, yes? The last line was after the tricky bitch managed to lure Bill's precious little poodle into the well and she threatened to snap its neck like a turkey bone.

It. It. YOU!!

Get it?

Kunax,

That's supposed to be something about favre beans and a nice chiante. Then make a slurpy sound with your tongue.

Sheesh. You foreigners that aren't aware of American pop culture. What are we to do with you?

Seriously. I thought Silence of the Lambs was world-wide. You two have never seen it? Really?

Really?

And then people with sky-high IQ post stuff like

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44725
and
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=767811#post767811

Yeah, right.

IQ alone tells you shit about what a person can say and understand.

Online IQ tests are 100% accurate, no matter what you say and I WILL stick to my beliefs.

Your vendetta against knowledgeable physics professors who know more than anyone else is appaling.

How about ranking people by how far they have gotten in school?

How about ranking people by how far they have gotten in school?

I bet Thomas Edison wouldn't care for that too well.
Nor would Einstein for that matter. He'd be higher than Edison but would be far lower than his true worth.
But, then again. I bet only Edison would care. Einstein wouldn't even notice.

I wouldn't care for that either.
I'd be pidgeonholed with grease monkeys and farmers.

Online IQ tests are 100% accurate, no matter what you say and I WILL stick to my beliefs.

I'm sure ya used to say the same thing about yer Christianhood.

IQ tests are not 100-percent accurate.

I'm sure ya used to say the same thing about yer Christianhood.

IQ tests are not 100-percent accurate.

Err.. me being fa

see

shos.

I bet Thomas Edison wouldn't care for that too well.
Nor would Einstein for that matter. He'd be higher than Edison but would be far lower than his true worth.
But, then again. I bet only Edison would care. Einstein wouldn't even notice.

George W. Bush went to Yale.

:m:

Hehehehe..

Nor would Einstein for that matter.
Do you think that Einstein wouldn't have scored very highly on an IQ test?

Why?

Err.. me being fa

see

shos.

. . . What?!

facetious.

Dammit Pete.. did you have to spell it out for him?

And if I had a cat, I wouldn't let it toy with mice :)

[OT]

Seriously. I thought Silence of the Lambs was world-wide. You two have never seen it? Really?

I suppose we have, or i have anyway, but i dont remember movies as you do, btw the Dansih title is foronce better :)

would that be?:

The kebab man

the title is :"Ondskabens Øjne", direct translation would be "The evil eyes" but that sounds stupid so mayby Eyes of evil, anyway the focus is on evil blablalba

Pete,

Do you think that Einstein wouldn't have scored very highly on an IQ test?

Why?

No. I was talking about Southstar's suggestion about ranking people by how far they made it in school. I might be mistaken, but I seem to recall that Einstein didn't go the best schools. Wasn't it a polytechnique or whatever they call it? Basically a technical college?

Edit: I just realized what thread this is. What the hell is Southstar bring that up in here anyway? Wrong thread there, dude.

Is it possible that I've met two people who've not seen The Silence of the Lambs?

I have seen it, twice! Once, snychronised into German, and another time with Slovene subtitles.

But now that you mentioned it, I remember the lines, vaguely.


I thought that this was an excellent example of depersonalization through pronouns.
/.../
The lines I quoted showed how the depersonal degenerated to the very personal once anger and fear began to show itself. The first two lines were calmly spoken. She was an it in her entirety. The third line the facade was beginning to break. A pronoun wasn't used, but the command was first person, yes? The last line was after the tricky bitch managed to lure Bill's precious little poodle into the well and she threatened to snap its neck like a turkey bone.

It. It. YOU!!

Get it?
/.../
Sheesh. You foreigners that aren't aware of American pop culture. What are we to do with you?

Seriously. I thought Silence of the Lambs was world-wide. You two have never seen it? Really?

I have always been fascinated by how Americans remember whole scenes from films and shows.
It's something unseen here. Even the native shows people watch here -- knowing lines from them is a rarity.


That's supposed to be something about favre beans and a nice chiante. Then make a slurpy sound with your tongue.

I do know this one!


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Online IQ tests are 100% accurate, no matter what you say and I WILL stick to my beliefs.

Yeah, stick to them. And get sticky.


Your vendetta against knowledgeable physics professors who know more than anyone else is appaling.

Mwhahahawahamahamawahahah-ah.


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And you tell *me* that?
Oh, baby.

Edit: I just realized what thread this is. What the hell is Southstar bring that up in here anyway? Wrong thread there, dude.

Not at all.
He only said that IQ is more important than the sex of a person -- and this pertained to the thread question about he or she.

Anyhow, as all downfall comes by a woman, I happen to know more about all this!

I have seen it, twice! Once, snychronised into German, and another time with Slovene subtitles.


not meaning to sound rascist, but Hnnibal lecter must sounf even more sinister speaking German!.. to an american anyways.

I have always been fascinated by how Americans remember whole scenes from films and shows.
It's something unseen here.

probably coz movies are such a root part of culture over here.. and perhaps Americans tend to use or waste mor time wit hthem, and weve had video, dvds etc in nearly every home longer than most countrys have.

its a survival instinct, with a failed education system they develop more efficient photogarpic memories in order to salvage what little information they are able to pick up, while photographic memory is an advantage to people in advanced societies, for americans it is a necessity

I wish we did all hav photographic memory in America!! + if you had it, youd remember how bad communism was and not be calling it the only way..

Water,

I have always been fascinated by how Americans remember whole scenes from films and shows.
It's something unseen here. Even the native shows people watch here -- knowing lines from them is a rarity.

I'm sorry, but I got to cry bullshit on this one.
What, exactly, is it about the medium of film and television that renders it unstickable in your memory? Is there some special magic about it that just makes it slip from your mind like the stuff of dreams?

Hate to say it, but I have the feeling that it is something along the lines of this:
"Oh. Lines from a film? Pshaw! Who remembers such things? Fat American dogs that's who."

Or something like this:
"its a survival instinct, with a failed education system they develop more efficient photogarpic memories in order to salvage what little information they are able to pick up, while photographic memory is an advantage to people in advanced societies, for americans it is a necessity"

I mean look at the smugness inherent in this phrase. Here's this little boy who so hates America that he doesn't realize that he's practically American himself. I mean here's this little boy who probably has whole volumes of his brain dedicated to memorization of Pokemon episodes or the New Zealand equivalent of Captain Kangaroo, and yet he's pretending that he doesn't so that he can play the smug role of 'non-American'.

Maybe we should put beer guts by our user names if we're American?

Water, I seriously doubt that you don't remember a few movie lines. I know that you've memorized several plays and poems practically in their entirety. But movies are beneath you. Is that it?

And now you portray Americans as though we are just walking movie historians. We carry scripts in our heads of every movie we've ever seen and call ourselves cultured because of this?
Bah.
I remember a few lines from that movie.
I remember a few lines from other movies.
Why should I forget them? Brain damage?
I think that the lines of Buffalo Bill calling his victim an 'it' are quite compelling and disturbing. The actor did an excellent job of portraying the impersonalness of a serial killer. Why should it be a surprise that such should stick in the melon?

You say you remember the line about Favre beans. Do you remember the part where Bill tucks his penis between his legs and dances around wearing his partially constructed woman suit? That's what you do to 'its.' Make clothes out of them.

(This probably reads harsher than intended. I find your claim annoying. As I also find JennyRater's quick willingness to admit that Americans are pigs although she didn't realize that is what she was saying. Things aren't as simple as they appear.)

Ouch did water sink your battleship invert. I do think she's right, remembering and using movie lines is an American thing, ofcause not restricted to Americans only, but something mostly seen done by Americans. Sitting here, typing this, I been trying to remember some movie lines, except for Arnorlds "I Be Back" in T1 im hard pressed to come up with something, actually im totally blank, i can't even korrectly remember a funny line from the movie i saw yesterday(Akira Kurosawa:Red Beard).

I do not know where the "fat dog" part came in, but if thats what you wish to be know as, no problem, i would have choosen something else however :).

Heh.
Like I said, I didn't mean it to come off as harsh as it probably read. In fact, it was vslayer's constant smugness that really got to me.
Anyway, I find it odd that movies should be immune to remembrance.
Why?
They have no impact on you whatsoever?
I remember no lines from terminator either. Except for "I'll be back" and also that part where he was in the hotel room cutting out his eyeball and the manager asked him if there was a dead cat in there and he got the list of choices to reply with and he chose "Fuck you, asshole."
But, I could describe the actions of a few scenes.

I still suspect that it is a purposeful thing. Why should this particular medium be so subject to nonremembrance? Why is it so different than any other medium?

not meaning to sound rascist, but Hnnibal lecter must sounf even more sinister speaking German!.. to an american anyways.

Well, to my ears, Hannibal in German is a harmless twat in comparison to what he is like in English.


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I'm sorry, but I got to cry bullshit on this one.
What, exactly, is it about the medium of film and television that renders it unstickable in your memory? Is there some special magic about it that just makes it slip from your mind like the stuff of dreams?

Yes. Subtitles.

We get three national televisions here, the Slovenian, Croatian and Austrian. At home, we don't have a satellite dish, we don't watch much tv at all anyway.

Only the Austrian television has synchronised films, and I don't watch much stuff there, as it is unbearabale (the same guy who speaks Robert Redford also does Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino and some others, and I just can't stand that sickly German voice).

With the exception of one single film (Lawrence after Arabia), ALL the American, English, French etc. films and shows that I have seen, I have seen with subtitles.

I don't know if you can imagine what sort of a film experience this is -- to know the text in a film only from subtitles in your native language. I follow the voices of actors, I follow the emotions in the voice -- but I can't also follow the language unless I understand it and speak it. And even then, I am drawn to read the subtitles. I notice the bad translations. But all in all, it takes up so much of my attention that I don't manage to also remember lines.

This goes so far that even if the film is in Slovene or Croatian, without subtitles, I feel like something is missing.

Sometimes, after seeing a film, it can happen that I don't know anymore whether I have watched it with Slovenian or with Croatian subtitles, as I understand Croatian very well, and am used to reading the subtitles in that language.

It was only some years back that I have seen a film in English without the subtitles. It was like an epiphany! Films like I don't know them.
As I was left to myself and my knowledge of English (back then not so good yet), the film was completely captivating for me (and not just because of the absolutely enthralling Ralph Fiennes), I had to concentrate in ways I am not used to otherwise when watching films.

If there are subtitles, you always know what was said. But if left to listening alone, it can be very demanding. If, for example, in the film people speak more quietly, are whispering, mumbling, or they are doing something noisy while they speak -- paff, I'm cut off from hearing and understanding.


Hate to say it, but I have the feeling that it is something along the lines of this:
"Oh. Lines from a film? Pshaw! Who remembers such things? Fat American dogs that's who."

You have to understand that the production in our native language here is very limited. There are after all only 2 million people in this country, and it's a country where you can have breakfast at one end, get in the car, drive across the whole country to the most distant end, and have lunch there.
We aren't exposed to much native production thus, and even though we do remember lines from our films -- since there are so few (and not much good!), there isn't much to say.
Otherwise, we suffer from the subtitles syndrome.

It's nothing like your experience of watching movies and shows. You can watch a film and then quote lines from it to your next person. I can't do that here -- unless it is a film in Slovene or Croatian; I can't just quote films in English or German, I can quote them only to those who also speak those languages, and speak them well enough.


Water, I seriously doubt that you don't remember a few movie lines. I know that you've memorized several plays and poems practically in their entirety. But movies are beneath you. Is that it?

I remember lines from songs. But not so well from films and shows -- because of the subtitles. Subtitles are a distraction, a relegation of understanding.

Interestingly, it is not long ago that I have actually began to remember lines from songs, I mean like really, effectively remember. It takes more to learn something in a foreign language; even more if it's one's third language.


And now you portray Americans as though we are just walking movie historians. We carry scripts in our heads of every movie we've ever seen and call ourselves cultured because of this?

That's not at all how I meant it. I wish I had remebered more.
I had to ask here about the "Never let it be said that your anal retentive attention to detail never yielded positive results. - You can't be anal retentive if you don't have an anus." from "Dogma". I watched that bloody scene several times on tape, trying to figure out what the hell they are exactly saying so fast -- but it was too fast for my ears.
Also the "search every doghouse, henhouse, outhouse etc." from "The fugitive" -- I had to ask it here, I couldn't follow Jones in the film.
Yeah, now I do understand it, now that I've read what exactly he said. But as I watched it, I found it amusing, but couldn't remember it properly.

There are so many good dialogues in films. But if I see the film only on tv or in the cinema, then I'll likely remember the contents of what was said, a phrasing in my native language, but I won't remember it verbatim in English. So it's like I didn't remember it at all, as I can't quote it precisely.


You say you remember the line about Favre beans. Do you remember the part where Bill tucks his penis between his legs and dances around wearing his partially constructed woman suit? That's what you do to 'its.' Make clothes out of them.

I remember there was a disturbing scene of that kind, yes.


Well, I guess you could set up tests for us foreigners, seeing how much or how little we get from a film in a foreign language that we watched with subtitles.


This probably reads harsher than intended. I find your claim annoying.

I hope my post clears it up.

Water,

Subtitles.
Yes. I understand.
The eye is drawn to them.
The eye of a reader, that is. I often watch DVD's with the subtitles on so that I can catch some of the more unintelligble spoken parts. And it is, at times, a struggle to keep your attention focused on the film rather than the text.

I actually would have considered this to be part of the reason if it weren't for your english skills. However, I failed to take into consideration that you are one of only a few thus skilled. And the text does draw you.

I hope my post clears it up.

Absolutely.
Now if we can get to the root of Vslayer's seemingly inability to remember such things. Other than smugness, that is.
I'm glad that you didn't take offense. I realize that it came off as harsh.

I don't find subtitles being are a problem, they are just there. I read then mostly subconsiously i suppose, the only time i see the subs are when they have errors, or the speach is inaudiable.
I think the main reason why people dont remember whats being said in movies, is because movies are just a 1-2 hours "watch and forget" escape from reallity.


vslayer is just angry and America is a easy target, deserving or not.

Kunax has a point about movies being an escape from reality. As since one knows it is an escape, one "subconsciously" suppresses the information gathered in such an escape.



As for my English skills: Appearances are deceiving. While I can easily study a scientific text or a read book of "high literature" (but only some of them though), I have some troubles with the colloquial sphere of language. It's what foreigners normally have greatest difficulties to learn. There are so many idiomatic phrasings, so many things that one can't learn from a dictionary and books!

It takes learning by immersion (being directly exposed to the language, demanded to function in it) to learn how to talk about emotions, how to tell and understand a joke, how to do small-talk. Language in this sphere is far more intricate than it may seem!

And in films and shows, often exactly this colloquial sphere of language is used. So it once more doesn't come as a surprise if I don't remember lines.

I always turn the subtitels off on DVDs. No, i am not a native speaker.

They just bother me. This is especially bad in the movie theatre on a huge screen. Imagine watching a movie with dark scenes and then suddenly someone starts talking. Suddenly the entire movie theatre is lit up because 1 meter high bright white letters litter the screen. And in finland I do tend to browse the Finnish subtitles. It goes automatically. Hence I'd rather have none. Although sometimes it is useful when they switch to a different language in a English language movie. I'm not really proficient in Japanese (Kill Bill vol1 for instance), so having even Finnish subtitles helps.

But most movies are made for the average audience so they don't require much intellectual energy to follow. Indeed, they are made for relaxation.

As for why Americans seem to be so keen on remembering movie lines, it seems that Americans in general have a fascination for trivia.

I'm not sure why they thrive on this empty pursuit. Maybe it is the lack of history, and the shunning of true intellectual pursuits. These riek after all of communism, socialism, and unchristian values. Trivia are harmless.

I like subtitles (english ones of course!) - dont know why, maybe its fun seeing how the speech ids compresed and changed to fit the reading time.

Spurious must be right about Americans loving trivia, with our baseball cards + endless comercials + Tv channels full of trash. perhaps coz we've got sucha comfy lifestyle we feel its OK to waste time or thought on harmless junk!

Spurious must be right about Americans loving trivia, with our baseball cards + endless comercials + Tv channels full of trash. perhaps coz we've got sucha comfy lifestyle we feel its OK to waste time or thought on harmless junk!

Yeah, but the rest of the world eats this shit up. They beg for it, and we spoon feed them on American culture.

Who here of you has not quoted the Simpsons? Eh?
That is a purely American show, yet every foreign person I have ever talked to, actually, every person I have ever met, knows of the Simpsons. Most of them enjoy the Simpsons. All of them are familiar with the phrase "D'oh!".

vslayer seems to know a lot about our friends the Simpsons. Look what he has to say on the "which simpsons character is gay thread"!
homer simpson: lived in that apartment with the two gay guys, went to gay bars and etc for about a week

Milhouse vanhouten: was diagnosed with "homosexual tendencies" by the school psychiatrist

don vitori: has a definite "thing" for clowns, so thats a possibility

fat tonies goon: loves art and watching the stars etc...

seymour skinner: loves a man in uniform

Talk about fucking useless trivia. Where does this sheep fucking New Zealander get off on critizing his American heritage, eh? He even admits to having 32 hours of taped Americana.

Sheep fucker.

All of them are familiar with the phrase "D'oh!".
Interestingly "But I'm the only gay in this village!" from the series Little Britain just surpassed "d'oh" as the favourite comedy catch phrase.

I agree with your point though. I never criticise america as a whole, I've said before I believe it has the best and worst of everything.

Yeah, but the rest of the world eats this shit up. They beg for it, and we spoon feed them on American culture.

Who here of you has not quoted the Simpsons? Eh?.

So American culture is whast people all over the place want, even when they slag it off.. talk about biting the hand that feeds you..

I dont actualy LIKE the Simpsons, though. Theyre whiny + boring, and I wish Bart + Lisa would age like real kids! its supposed to be family you can RELATE to, not Peter Pan in a pizza-skatebord never land.

What happened to the he-she discussion?

It got boring.

yes - here we are all just people. I could have a guy model as my avatar and it shouldnt matter.

Dr lou's avatr stick figure might be either male or female.. so could Spurious's monkey..

Americans loving trivia, with our baseball cards + endless comercials + Tv channels full of trash.

But baseball cards and remebering who tha hell played on 3base in the 5 inning in 1965, is only something seen in the movies, right?


All of them are familiar with the phrase "D'oh!".

So american culture boilds down to one word, Dooh? well Doooh.

Dr lou's avatr stick figure might be either male or female.. so could Spurious's monkey..¨

Female pirates only exist in Hollywood movies. In real life Pirate monkeys are always male. So are their parrots.

actually pirate parrots where bisexual, because they where a sea for so long timeperiods, that when they finial found another parrot, they did not care for what sex it was

Female pirates only exist in Hollywood movies
Such as Anne Bonny and Mary Read?

It got boring.

Then stop posting in it.

yes - here we are all just people. I could have a guy model as my avatar and it shouldnt matter.

Everyone, I think (s)he has a point. :rolleyes:

Of course we're all people, but don't people deserve to be referred to by the correct third-person pronoun?

Dr lou's avatr stick figure might be either male or female.. so could Spurious's monkey..

. . . Okay.

Female pirates only exist in Hollywood movies. In real life Pirate monkeys are always male. So are their parrots.

How do you know the parrots are always male? Did ya look?

Maybe if you don't like the way discussion is going wolfie, you can leave, eh?
I'm bored of your a/s/l shit, and I think the majority of people in this thread got bored, too.

But baseball cards and remebering who tha hell played on 3base in the 5 inning in 1965, is only something seen in the movies, right?
So all you know of American culture you learned through American movies?
My goodness Kunax, what a fascinating contradiction you have wove.

Such as Anne Bonny and Mary Read?

They were really just crossdressers. Untold historic secret. Now you know.

Roman,

Maybe if you don't like the way discussion is going wolfie, you can leave, eh?

Or maybe people should stay on topic, and whoever can't do that can leave, eh?

I'm bored of your a/s/l shit, and I think the majority of people in this thread got bored, too.

We all love you too.

It's not "a/s/l shit". Did I ask for age? Did I ask for location?

Age isn't important for referring to a member in the third person. Neither is location. But lo and behold, sex is all-important.

And if you got bored with the topic, then ya can go off and make another thread and talk about American culture and pirates and shit. Leave my thread alone.

93 posts to go!

It's not your thread. The minute you put it here, you lose it.

Try not to be such a fascist?

Age isn't important for referring to a member in the third person. Neither is location. But lo and behold, sex is all-important.



Sex is only important if you are with a naked or semi-naked woman. (or man, animal, vegetable, depending on your sexual preference)

And when you're looking for victims to make clothes out of.

It's not your thread.

Who made the first post in this thread?

The minute you put it here, you lose it.

Prove it.

Try not to be such a fascist?

. . . Was that a question or what? There's a question mark, but it doesn't look like a question. How the fuck do I answer something like that?

Sex is only important if you are with a naked or semi-naked woman. (or man, animal, vegetable, depending on your sexual preference)

Hey guys, I think (s)he has a point<Sub>&iexcl;</Sub> :rolleyes:

92 posts to go!

Athelwulf,

Seriously.
The idea is stupid.
Almost as stupid as Jolly Rodger's idea about IQ.
If you want to put your sex in your profile, you can place it any one of the slots already there. Biography would be an excellent one. Something along the lines of "I got my period at 12" or "My testicles descended last week." Or whatever.

Anyway, if the user wants to advertise his or her sex then fine. If not then also fine. No need to change anything.

And, you know that Spurious is a man.
You know that Roman is a man.
You know that many users are man or woman.
Why do you need anything extra to tell you what you already know if they want you to know?

92 posts to go!

Stop that.

Who made the first post in this thread?
The Indians were the first people in America. It's our country now. First means nothing.

Prove it.
Well, look at how you're complaining, and have very little control over where the thread is going. In fact, neither of us are arguing about your idiotic idea, but over whether you have any control in this cyber domain.
Which obviously you do not.

Look, I changed my custom user title...aren't you a happy lippy chappy now?

Dammit monkey, don't mock the poor kid.

So all you know of American culture you learned through American movies?
My goodness Kunax, what a fascinating contradiction you have wove.

How did you come to that conclusion, i ask a question based on something jennyrater said. I asked because I don't consider movie to be a true display of a nations culture, and there for wondered how much truth there was to it.

Kunax–
You said this,
But baseball cards and remebering who tha hell played on 3base in the 5 inning in 1965, is only something seen in the movies, right?
Which made me think you had seen it in a movie.

Dammit monkey, don't mock the poor kid.

I changed it again, because gender and IQ were not as informative as 'Resident monkey' in my humble opinion.

invert_nexus,

Seriously.
The idea is stupid.
Almost as stupid as Jolly Rodger's idea about IQ.

Then stop posting in the thread.

If you want to put your sex in your profile, you can place it any one of the slots already there. Biography would be an excellent one. Something along the lines of "I got my period at 12" or "My testicles descended last week." Or whatever.

Whatever.

Anyway, if the user wants to advertise his or her sex then fine. If not then also fine. No need to change anything.

A user would get to choose whether or not sy sex was displayed anyway. But sou's more likely to have it displayed it if sou was actually prompted.

And, you know that Spurious is a man.
You know that Roman is a man.
You know that many users are man or woman.

Yeah. It's called sarcasm. Did you not see the sarcasm point at the end of that sentense referring to Spurious?

Why do you need anything extra to tell you what you already know if they want you to know?

The idea is that so I know the sex of new users, or so new users can know the sex of an old user. The idea is that no one goes through the unnecessary embarassment of accidentally referring to a female user as a he (like I've done to analbeads), or a male user as a she.

Stop that.

Why? I'm graying it out. Ya barely see it.

Roman,

The Indians were the first people in America. It's our country now. First means nothing.

Actually, it's not really our country. The Native Americans are the real Americans. I'm a foreigner that happened to be born here of parents that also happened to be born here. My family lineage has only been here for about 400 years. I'm European.

Well, look at how you're complaining, and have very little control over where the thread is going. In fact, neither of us are arguing about your idiotic idea, but over whether you have any control in this cyber domain.
Which obviously you do not.

The topic for my thread is set in stone until either a mod or I change it. SciForums rules say you cannot post off-topic posts.
You're out-smarted.

You can debate my topic, or you can leave the thread alone. I would do the same for any thread of yours, so I'm not asking of you something I don't want asked of me.

You've already voiced yer opinion on the matter, so I suggest you do the latter.

Ooh, that rhymed.

Dammit monkey, don't mock the poor kid.

What kid?

spuriousmonkey,

Look, I changed my custom user title...aren't you a happy lippy chappy now?

At least now people won't mistake spuriousmonkey's sex or scholarly degree.

I changed it again, because gender and IQ were not as informative as 'Resident monkey' in my humble opinion.

Fine.

90 posts to go!

The topic for my thread is set in stone until either a mod or I change it.
It obviously is not, because look at how far we've digressed. Hahaha.
Mmmm irony.

What I don't like about member anonymity is it's very hard figuring out what sex that member is unless they say something that would indicate it. But that's not very often.

Is there a feature on SciForums where the member's sex can be displayed?

&mdash; Peace, Love, Health, and Happiness to all! Âðelwulf.

(In case ye'r too thick-headed to notice, I'm restarting the discussion. This time, stay on topic or don't post here. It's that simple.)

88 posts to go!

Athel why dont you just use what ever gender you think the person your talking to is, if said person fells like correcting you he/she will. How sure can you be on them telling the truth anyway.

Indeed, everybody knows you are a tiger kunax....coming here pretending to be human....how dishonest....

Athel why dont you just use what ever gender you think the person your talking to is, if said person fells like correcting you he/she will.

Something I posted earlier:

The idea is that so I know the sex of new users, or so new users can know the sex of an old user. The idea is that no one goes through the unnecessary embarassment of accidentally referring to a female user as a he (like I've done to analbeads), or a male user as a she.

How sure can you be on them telling the truth anyway.

Well if a guy wants to be called a she, and a girl a he, that's his/her choice. I don't really care if they're lying to me, kuz they obviously want me to refer to them as if they were the opposite sex.

82 posts to go!

You can actually easily avoid ever using he or she (that refers to another member) in any post.

I will give you the homework assignment now to not use he or she for the next 6 months.

Dr. Spuriousmonkey.

You can actually easily avoid ever using he or she (that refers to another member) in any post.

No I can't.

I will give you the homework assignment now to not use he or she for the next 6 months.

And if I don't do it, or I fail?

just don't refer to anyone in third person, and if you really have to do it, just refer to them by name. How difficult is that?

just don't refer to anyone in third person, and if you really have to do it, just refer to them by name. How difficult is that?

It's not so much difficult as it is unnecessary. I'll show ya what I posted earlier:

Ya know what Avatar did yesterday? Avatar saw whitewolf at the coffee shop. Avatar asked whitewolf what whitewolf was gonna do tomorrow, and whitewolf told Avatar that whitewolf was planning to see Avatar again at that same coffee shop. Avatar realized that Avatar has an appointment at that time and can't make it. Avatar tells whitewolf this, and whitewolf changes whitewolf's plans so that whitewolf can see whitewolf's parents at that time.

That gets very tiring, very fast.

And why would you be telling these third person narratives featuring new members whose sex you aren't aware of?

You know that Whitewolf is female and Avatar is male. Correct?

So. What's the problem?

I think we should use this thread to talk about tigers.

And why would you be telling these third person narratives featuring new members whose sex you aren't aware of?

I'm parodizing it to show how old it can get.

You know that Whitewolf is female and Avatar is male. Correct?

Yeah.

So. What's the problem?

I already posted the problem. If ya keep missing it, you really need to develop yer reading comprehension skills.

I think we should use this thread to talk about tigers.

I think you should start another thread about tigers.

Besides . . . No one cares what you think.

. . . Well, I don't . . . I don't know about other people, though.

I already posted the problem. If ya keep missing it, you really need to develop yer reading comprehension skills.

Get off your fucking high horse, boy. No one. NO ONE likes your fucking idea. Give it up.

Your 'problem' is that you don't want to 'embarass' people by calling them a he when they're a she or vice versa. (As if that were really such a horrible embarrasment. I mean, can't you just imagine someone running to the corner and crying in shame because you talked about them with the wrong pronoun?)

Your 'problem' is specifically in regard to new members who you don't know and therefore are unable to say for sure whether they're male or female.

Your 'example' of how the 'problem' manifests was a third person narrative featuring two forum members whose sexes are not in question.

Your 'example' of the 'problem' would not relate to new members as you would not be telling third person narratives featuring said members with doubful sexuality.

Therefore your 'problem' is in your head. Whatever slight difficulty might be found in this sexual ambiguity can be utterly erased by a simple method. Not talking about people. You only experience this pronoun problem when talking about and not to someone. Right?

You have no 'problem' other than what is called beating a dead fucking horse.
You feel put upon because people have become annoyed by:
a.) your lippiness (amused, actually)
b.) your 'xx post to go!' bullshit.
c.) the lack of content in the vast majority of your posts.

So, you feel the need to show yourself as some strong, virile male all grown up and ready to kill tigers in the jungle and think that this he/she 'problem' is an excellent example of a tiger just asking to be killed by the great white hunter.

But, your idea will go nowhere because it's fucking lame. Lamer than Harry fucking Potter and Poke fucking mon.
But, I will give you this. It's not as lame as your 'xx posts to go!' If that's any comfort whatsoever to you.

Shit. This thread could be far more effectively argued thusly:

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah?
Blah.
Blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah

Blah blah blha blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah blah.

blah?

Blah.

:m:

The idea is that no one goes through the unnecessary embarassment of accidentally referring to a female user as a he

You find that embarassming! well its not, its just a side effect of the media your using, hardly embarassing.
Again if people want you to know there gender, they will let you know, where not let them keep there anonymity until them.



Indeed, everybody knows you are a tiger kunax....coming here pretending to be human....how dishonest....


Well, once i ate a human, so once i was partly human

It's not so much difficult as it is unnecessary. I'll show ya what I posted earlier:

Ya know what Avatar did yesterday? Avatar saw whitewolf at the coffee shop. Avatar asked whitewolf what whitewolf was gonna do tomorrow, and whitewolf told Avatar that whitewolf was planning to see Avatar again at that same coffee shop. Avatar realized that Avatar has an appointment at that time and can't make it. Avatar tells whitewolf this, and whitewolf changes whitewolf's plans so that whitewolf can see whitewolf's parents at that time.

That gets very tiring, very fast.

You are missing he point that a post like that should never be posted in the first place. You are supposed to be talking about scientific/intellectual topics. What avatar put in his coffee yesterday is not really interesting. No offense to avatar.

Just to makes things intresting, We would like to be addresse in plural, this is because we a tigers and there for have many lives and there for rightly so should be addressed in plural.

We predicted we have about 60 lives, Tiger(300Kg) / Cat(5Kg) = 60 lives, pure science. Well -1 learning about trafik.

But cats have nine lives... shouldn't tigers have 540 lives? Seems a little generous to me, but it explains why you're not all extinct.

You are missing he point that a post like that should never be posted in the first place. You are supposed to be talking about scientific/intellectual topics. What avatar put in his coffee yesterday is not really interesting. No offense to avatar.

Does that mean we can't call you the Pseudo Simian anymore?

I think we should use this thread to talk about tigers.
Seconded.

Would the Honorable Doctor Monkey move this to a vote?

If a tiger has 540 lives, how many times would you have to shoot it? And is there also more than one way to skin a tiger?

And with that, I think the thread is certainly beyond recovery to the original intent. ;)