Have a 'black hole' problem ...

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Chagur, Dec 7, 2002.

  1. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Presented with the following, I was about to just toss it as
    another grunching re. black holes without a particularly good
    idea of what they're about. But something made me decide to
    instead present it for discussion here a Sciforums. The guy
    seems to be honestly inquisitive yet I haven't the knowledge
    to even try to give him any sort of an answer.

    "Considering that black holes curve space-time infinitely at the
    singularity, doesn't it seem like it would flip space over? Would
    another black hole flip space back over? Would all of the black
    holes in our universe mutually flip space over and back over?
    If something got pulled into the singularity, would it end up in
    every other black hole? Are we living on more than one side of
    a black hole? Could gravitational curvature of space-time produce
    mirror images of bodies of matter? Would a weaker gravitational
    curvature of space and time increase the distance between these
    mirror images, considering the geometry of space-time? Would a
    strong curvature decrease the distance required for a mirror image
    to form? Outside of a given boundary, would the required distance
    for the formation of these mirror images to form be increased, given
    the geometry of space-time?"


    Any help would be appreciated.
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Chagur

    doesn't it seem like it would flip space over?

    Could gravitational curvature of space-time produce
    mirror images of bodies of matter?


    You're right - he has no idea. Maybe he's been watching too much sci-fi.
     
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  5. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks, (Q).

    Kind of thought as much from what I've read over
    here, but didn't want to just 'dump' on him.

    Maybe I'm mellowing ... Who knows.

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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Chagur

    but didn't want to just 'dump' on him.

    No need to dump on him unless he's a crackpot who won't listen to reason. I would suggest offering him links to websites which can explain the theory behind black holes and also links to websites which provide evidence for potential black holes. This would depend entirely on his level of understanding, of course.

    John Baez and Sten Odenwald both provide decent FAQ's for those unable to understand the mathematical models.
     
  8. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks, (Q) ... But I didn't mean a "You dumb-ass" dump on but
    rather: "Can't really say because the questions you're asking are
    more sci-fi like than science. Why don't you check out a few of
    the following sites:" And give him a few decent ones that are
    factual, but don't get into the heavy stuff. "And then maybe we
    can discuss the matter further."

    Thanks for the Baez/Odenwald suggestions.

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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    <i>Considering that black holes curve space-time infinitely at the
    singularity, doesn't it seem like it would flip space over?</i>

    What does "flip space over" mean? What would that look like?

    <i>If something got pulled into the singularity, would it end up in
    every other black hole?</i>

    Firstly, the something would be totally destroyed long before it hit the singularity, so it would be unrecognisable. Secondly, it is possible that singularities could be connected somehow, but there's no way we can ever know that because we can get no information out of a singularity.

    <i>Could gravitational curvature of space-time produce mirror images of bodies of matter?</i>

    No.
     
  10. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Hi, James R.

    I think what he meant by 'flip space over' is that there's 'space' on the other side.
    Or maybe he's thinking of a 'worm hole' sort of bit ... I don't know.

    Again, 'every other' in some way empties into the same other space or acts like
    a spooky interaction..

    The 'mirror image' bit threw me but I figured he either had a spooky interaction
    in mind or a multiple universe idea.

    As (Q) suggested, I've referred him to a few sites re. black holes and space/time
    and am waiting to see if he makes the effort to do some reading so he can clarify
    what he's thinking/asking. Also, waiting to see if he's going to reply.

    Thanks

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  11. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    we cannot get info out of the singularity, but we can get some info about it by objects that orbit the singularity and are subjected to its gravity, Maybe if we were (indirectly) to observe the collision of two supermassive blackholes and the gravity of some other singularities seems to fluctuate for no apperent reason, maybe just maybe the events could be linked
     
  12. blobrana Registered Senior Member

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    RE. Blackholes

    Yes information is lost to `our` universe as a object enters a blackhole.

    But the current view of black-holes in Membrane theory says that they are connected...

    the bottom line is, that every point in space is connected to every other. and that every black hole is connected ( not by wormholes?) to every other.

    They are certainly not connected in our space-time, so it is correct to say that the object that enters one black hole, only exists in that one.
     
  13. shadows technocrat:Teach me Registered Senior Member

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    The curve is not infinite on the larger black holes. It just is all concievable dimensions.
     

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