Hard vs. Soft Water
The hardness of water relates to the amount of calcium, magnesium and
sometimes iron in the water. The more minerals present, the harder the
water. Soft water may contain sodium and other minerals or chemicals;
however, it contains very little calcium, magnesium or iron. Many
people prefer soft water because it makes soap lather better, gets
clothes cleaner and leaves less of a ring around the tub. Some
municipalities and individuals remove calcium and magnesium, both
essential nutrients, and add sodium in an ion-exchange process to
soften their water. The harder the water, the more sodium that must be
added in exchange for calcium and magnesium ions to soften the water.
This process has drawbacks from a nutritional standpoint.

http://www.cdc.gov/nasd/docs/d000001-d000100/d000009/d000009.html


Hello,


Can hard water or natural mineral water lower previous persisted
hyperglycemia?


I live in big city having municipal tap soft water, Few times, I
visited to area with hard water/natural water and noted my glucose
levels came down close to normal in just 2 days inspite excess food
intake. I tried to understand the reason behind it. Few told it may be
due to decreased stress or due to more physical activity or due to
skiping food. All these reasonings look bit not relevant.


As such, can you tell other possibilities? Can natural hard water
intake cause it?

Can hard and soft water effect tonicity of blood and of other fluids
in body?


Best Wishes.

Relavencies can be thought; water imbalances, hydrogenoid conditions, Kapha, impotance of heat and water etc.

Well, to find out, why don't you buy several gallons of distilled water from your grocery store and drink only that water adding a pinch of organic sea-salt (not regular salt) to taste very slightly salty. Then test your blood glucose before and after the program say two weeks apart and publish the result (PM me too). If the results are great....follow the procedure and keep records....may be you have something here....may be not.

Would be interesting to know.

Some sea-salts use super filtered and evaporated sea water that contains most of the salts (Na, Ca, Mg, K, B etc...)

Water balance and electrolyte balance (see Minerals and Electrolytes: Introduction) are closely linked. The body works to keep the total amount of water and the levels of electrolytes in the bloodstream constant..
The body can move water from one area to another as needed. When water loss is severe, the amount of water in the bloodstream decreases, so the body moves water from inside the cells to the bloodstream until it can be replaced through increased intake of fluids. When the body has excess water, the amount of water in the bloodstream increases, so the body moves water from the bloodstream into and around the cells. In this way, blood volume and blood pressure can be kept relatively constant.
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch158/ch158a.html

Water imbalances, excessive thirst, excessive urine etc. can be related to diabetes2. One contributor to Osmolarity is glucose. Cell volume changes due to tonicity, may be related to variations in supply to tissue esp. bigger molecules.

if drinking city water... damages your health...... it should be no surprise.

stop drinking it.

youve motivated me, to start distilling my own.

-MT

if drinking city water... damages your health...... it should be no surprise.

stop drinking it.

youve motivated me, to start distilling my own.

-MT

Wow! You're worried over nothing, MT. Given the tiny amounts of minerals found in drinking water (ppm), you'd have to drink HUNDREDS of gallons every single day in order to exceed what you get from ordinary food sources!

Absoultely silly concept!!

WHY?

city water has chlorine in it as well.

and if pipes are leaky... then it could have anything from raw sewage to nitrate ladden ground water... even feces..

city water is not clean..

it just meets acceptable levels... it passes.

i FEEL COMPELLED TO STOP DRINKING IT.

-MT

WHY?

city water has chlorine in it as well.

and if pipes are leaky... then it could have anything from raw sewage to nitrate ladden ground water... even feces..

city water is not clean..

it just meets acceptable levels... it passes.

i FEEL COMPELLED TO STOP DRINKING IT.

-MT

More nonsense - leaky pipes result in the water getting OUT - not contaminants getting IN.

The amount of chlorine present is very low - do you have ANY sources that show it to be a health hazard at the level?????

your arguement is... eh.. dont worry about it.. just drink it.

they said that in rome... with lead pipes...

they figured it out eventually... but how long did it take?

they say our water is safe now....


for how long will they say that?

-MT

Well, to find out, why don't you buy several gallons of distilled water from your grocery store and drink only that wateryouve motivated me, to start distilling my own.You don't need to pay for distilled water, nobody needs water that is 100% chemically pure--nobody! Buy a filter pitcher by Brita or Pur. Those things take out the chlorine and unwanted minerals. Or install one of those filtration systems under your sink. Or take your own bottles and buy filtered water from the vending machine outside your supermarket. It's pretty much the same technology as the home units and even though the price per gallon is exhorbitant it's not as exhorbitant as buying it pre-bottled inside the store.

I use a Brita filter pitcher. I have no fear of tap water and I'll use it in a pinch without a second thought. I just don't like the taste.

I rather like the taste of softened water. But you can't drain the effluent from a water softener into a sewage line and it's getting very difficult to find a municipality that will allow you to dump it straight into the soil. We had a nice little high-tech unit when we lived in L.A., it put out so little effluent that we drained it into the garden and never saw any ill effects.

You could subscribe to Culligan or one of those soft water services that captures the effluents in a tank and swaps it out for a clean one every two weeks or every month. Those require no effort on your part at all. But they are fairly expensive, I don't imagine they're still $25 a month like they were 30 years ago.

your arguement is... eh.. dont worry about it.. just drink it.

they said that in rome... with lead pipes...

they figured it out eventually... but how long did it take?

they say our water is safe now....


for how long will they say that?

-MT

This isn't Rome - and the figured out the problem with lead (in anything) long, long ago. You can find MUCH more realistic things to worry about. If you're still so concerned, just take Fraggle's good advice and forget about it!

I ALSO USE A BRITTA FILTER...

but i think i will add a dialysis tubing part of my water cleaning process.

-MT

I think, there can be many antagonists and synergetic substances in food. Food can also be indigested/unabsorbed whose nett effect can be lesser. But ingestion of individual molecules or in some specific combination may have differenciating/full effects.

I think, there can be many antagonists and synergetic substances in food. Food can also be indigested/unabsorbed whose nett effect can be lesser. But ingestion of individual molecules or in some specific combination may have differenciating/full effects.

Well, certainly! You're just stating what's very obvious - nothing new there.

I can't stand soft water, I hate it. I hate bathing with soft water as it feels like I can never get the soap off and I never really feel clean. I use a water filter for drinking but I would never have a water softener. I like my water to have some natural minerals.

Is it possible that the area you are visiting is less stressful than your home?

I read somewhere that having vinegar daily helps control blood sugar levels.

This isn't Rome - and they figured out the problem with lead (in anything) long, long ago.Actually, about two years ago they discovered an unacceptable level of lead contamination in the municipal water supply in... well this is really embarrassing... in the capital city of the United States. There are a lot of really old pipes in Washington and they haven't all been replaced yet.

Although Washington has a city council and a police force and and a school board and a public works department like any city, it is ultimately under the administration of the federal government. Couple that with the fact that a gigantic percentage of its population are career civil service bureaucrats, and you end up with a city where nothing works and nobody cares, as long as they all get paid.

Actually, about two years ago they discovered an unacceptable level of lead contamination in the municipal water supply in... well this is really embarrassing... in the capital city of the United States. There are a lot of really old pipes in Washington and they haven't all been replaced yet.

Although Washington has a city council and a police force and and a school board and a public works department like any city, it is ultimately under the administration of the federal government. Couple that with the fact that a gigantic percentage of its population are career civil service bureaucrats, and you end up with a city where nothing works and nobody cares, as long as they all get paid.

Hello, Fraggle,

Yes, I remember that. While there IS quite a bit of aging infrastructure present (much, much more in several other countries) that particular sort of thing is actually pretty rare in the U.S. - as evidenced by that being an extremely isolated incident, especially considering the huge number of municipal and county-wide water systems currently in service.

Well, certainly! You're just stating what's very obvious - nothing new there.

So, will hard water not have specific minerals effect, so can be more effective than foods?

I can't stand soft water, I hate it. I hate bathing with soft water as it feels like I can never get the soap off and I never really feel clean. I use a water filter for drinking but I would never have a water softener. I like my water to have some natural minerals.

It may mean, you need minerals in hard water. Surprising, water is softened for getting the soap off quickely.

I read somewhere that having vinegar daily helps control blood sugar levels.

I think, I had also read such relevancy but I don't remember exactly.

So, will hard water not have specific minerals effect, so can be more effective than foods?

Allow me to restate something in different terms. A milligram of a mineral, such as calcuim, is still a milligram - regardless if it comes from the water you drink or the food you eat. And you would have to drink a tremendous amount of water every day to exceed the minerals you get by simply eating.

So what is there to wonder about?

Soft: 0 - 20 mg/L as calcium
Moderately soft: 20 - 40 mg/L as calcium
Slightly hard: 40 - 60 mg/L as calcium
Moderately hard: 60 - 80 mg/L as calcium
Hard: 80 - 120 mg/L as calcium
Very Hard >120 mg/L as calcium

Much calcium can be there. Still how much a mineral can be effective, nett of all antagonist and synergic effects, is to be understood.

Calcium as Calcium Chloride does not make water hard. It is the carbonates and bicarbonates and sometimes sulphates that make it hard.

Much calcium can be there. Still how much a mineral can be effective, nett of all antagonist and synergic effects, is to be understood.

And you still seem to have little understanding of what I've been trying to tell you about the mineral content of ordinary foods!

So, for your general education, here's a chart designed for girls ages 9 to 18 which lists the calcium content of popular foods that many of them eat. http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:KIbX720Ndt8J:www.cdc.gov/powerfulbones/parents/toolbox/list.html+calcium+content+of+foods&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us


You should also note that the standard daily daily requirement for them is 1,300 milligrams. Now compare that to the numbers you just provided and even at the VERY HARD level (120 mg/l) it would require that they drink over 10 liters of water every single day. Now tell me - just how many people do you know that drink 10 liters of water per day???? Or even five??????

And given that the majority of water contains far LESS than that amount, just how much would they have to drink???????????

Hamilton Canada - Old buildings there have a real problem with lead pipes - it's all very strange. WHY did they use them 200 years ago??

Hamilton Canada - Old buildings there have a real problem with lead pipes - it's all very strange. WHY did they use them 200 years ago??

Simple - because they didn't know about the danger and lead is very easy to shape and work with.

And you still seem to have little understanding of what I've been trying to tell you about the mineral content of ordinary foods!

So, for your general education, here's a chart designed for girls ages 9 to 18 which lists the calcium content of popular foods that many of them eat. http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:KIbX720Ndt8J:www.cdc.gov/powerfulbones/parents/toolbox/list.html+calcium+content+of+foods&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us


You should also note that the standard daily daily requirement for them is 1,300 milligrams. Now compare that to the numbers you just provided and even at the VERY HARD level (120 mg/l) it would require that they drink over 10 liters of water every single day. Now tell me - just how many people do you know that drink 10 liters of water per day???? Or even five??????

And given that the majority of water contains far LESS than that amount, just how much would they have to drink???????????

Can it be possible that effectiveness of any mineral, if taken individually is more than if taken in food as one constituent of that food?

Can it be possible that effectiveness of any mineral, if taken individually is more than if taken in food as one constituent of that food?

If it's either food or drinking water (which is all we are talking about), I cannot see how since it's VERY dillute in both cases. A milligram is a milligram is a milligram.

And I would still like to know just how many people you know that drink 10 liters or more of water every day.

If it's either food or drinking water (which is all we are talking about), I cannot see how since it's VERY dillute in both cases. A milligram is a milligram is a milligram.

And I would still like to know just how many people you know that drink 10 liters or more of water every day.

It can be important to understand effectiveness than quantity. One mix acidic and basic solutions and take, other take these seprately, there can be difference in effectiveness.

I doubt if common person takes 10 ltrs of water every day.

It can be important to understand effectiveness than quantity. One mix acidic and basic solutions and take, other take these seprately, there can be difference in effectiveness. Another rather obvious but completely unrelated statement in the context of this discussion. Sorry.

I doubt if common person takes 10 ltrs of water every day.

You do quite well to doubt it - such a large volume of water can easily lead to death. And my point is that NO one would drink that much water AND that's what it would take to exceed the amount of calcium needed for a healthy diet. So the physiological impact of minerals present in drinking water is negligible when compared to the amount we get from eating every day.

Do you mean, hard water and soft water will have similar effects?

Anyone here used a water ionizer that separates alkaline and acidic. Many asian households use this, the acidic for cleaning and alkaline for drinking. The alkaline supposedly combats free radical damage.

Hamilton Canada - Old buildings there have a real problem with lead pipes - it's all very strange. WHY did they use them 200 years ago??Look up the etymology of the word "plumbing." :)

Look up the etymology of the word "plumbing." :)

Heh! And here's a little hint - the chemical symbol for lead is Pb. ;)

Though water pollutions can be from many sources as indicated on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pollution , stiill we can limit to common soft and hard water.