Breaking news...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070420/ts_nm/nasa_evacuation_dc_4

yeah im watching it on the news now, i just posted about it in the gun control thread,

he didnt do as good as cho though did he, just 1 body and then offed himself, what a punk absolutely no effort involved what a noob.


peace.

What the fuck. Why don't these crazy people go and kill the fundamentalists? Why the intelligensia?

why did bush let the assault weapon licence expire? im just curious, i just heard on the news that you can buy assualt weapons without a background check?


you have over 11.000 gun related homicides per year i just heard, compared to england wich has only around 200,


peace,

there was just a gun debate on bbc news 24, live with 2 americans and the english news guy bia live video it was funny,

there was 1 american pro guns and 1 against guns, and the english guy was making me laugh, always saying "well us europeans dont understand it why would you need so many guns, how can more guns equal less gun crime how is that logical"

the pro gun guy was like, "well we need guns to protect ourselves from guns"


peace,

why did bush let the assault weapon licence expire? im just curious, i just heard on the news that you can buy assualt weapons without a background check?

But it can't be fully automatic. So it's really no different to any other SEMI-automatic rifle ....except it looks funny.

you have over 11.000 gun related homicides per year i just heard, compared to england wich has only around 200,...

Could it be because we have more people? And more land area?

Baron Max

What the fuck. Why don't these crazy people go and kill the fundamentalists? Why the intelligensia?

lol

But it can't be fully automatic. So it's really no different to any other SEMI-automatic rifle ....except it looks funny.



Could it be because we have more people? And more land area?

Baron Max

it could be that, or it could be that there are more guns in your country than people :)

peace.

What the fuck. Why don't these crazy people go and kill the fundamentalists? Why the intelligensia?

Because they are crazy, not stupid. They know at least some of the 'fundamentalist' may be able to shoot back, unless they happen to be in a 'gun-free' enviroment. People like Cho are wimps and cowards, they blame 'society' for their own inadequacies and feelings of powerlessness. The group of people they wish to exert their 'power' over must be unarmed and defenseless. They want their victims to feel the same sense of powerlessness they have felt in their own lives. If the possibility exists that some of the intended victims may shoot them instead, that would destroy their delusions of being in complete control of the event. The feelings of control and power over others are what they seek in their lives.

2inquisitive

They want their victims to feel the same sense of powerlessness they have felt in their own lives. If the possibility exists that some of the intended victims may shoot them instead, that would destroy their delusions of being in complete control of the event. The feelings of control and power over others are what they seek in their lives.

Which is why when faced with counter force, or the Police they commit suicide.

haha...reminds me of the delusional thread in which is suggested that if people are allowed to carry guns all problems will be solved. Imagine any place of work needs to shut down every time a person with a gun is sighted if that is the case.

Because they are crazy, not stupid. They know at least some of the 'fundamentalist' may be able to shoot back, unless they happen to be in a 'gun-free' enviroment. People like Cho are wimps and cowards, they blame 'society' for their own inadequacies and feelings of powerlessness. The group of people they wish to exert their 'power' over must be unarmed and defenseless. They want their victims to feel the same sense of powerlessness they have felt in their own lives. If the possibility exists that some of the intended victims may shoot them instead, that would destroy their delusions of being in complete control of the event. The feelings of control and power over others are what they seek in their lives.

That's an interesting observation because evidently he was in control, not the nicest way society would like. He and 32 are dead.

You mean the same wimps and cowards that bully Cho and others their entire lives so they could feel a sense of control and power over others??

Your cowardly and dishonest one-sided analysis is the very reason these atrocious incidents happen from time to time because they step out of the boundaries of acceptable behavior and get retribution while they've been treated like dirt under someone's shoes. You cite only Cho and paint him as one who was seeking to exert power over others when in very fact, those experiences of others perpetually doing that to him because he was weaker fueled this final act of vengeance. Those who bullied him did not know him, he was a random weak target. He returned the favor. Scary, isn't it?

Don't like it, tell it to Cho who got control of the situation in his own way. Oh, I forgot you can't. Evidently the lives of the 32 are not so important to consider how society failed people like him.

He may have had his delusions but society does too. Tit for tat.

2inquisitive



Which is why when faced with counter force, or the Police they commit suicide.

He knew what he was getting into. He knew he was going to die.

Why would he stick around to be punished by a world he doesn't respect? That's quite 'delusional' of you to think that. You're 'delusionally' assuming he has the same value system you do. The real truth is you want to punish him and you can't and that is why society calls him a 'coward' and a 'wimp'.

The reactions are quite obvious and typical, besides being 'delusional'.

This crap is getting old americans should stop shooting people they got Iraq to do that :(

peta9

1.He knew what he was getting into.

2.He knew he was going to die.

3.Why would he stick around to be punished by a world he doesn't respect? That's quite 'delusional' of you to think that. You're 'delusionally' assuming he has the same value system you do. The real truth is you want to punish him and you can't and that is why society calls him a 'coward' and a 'wimp'.

4. The reactions are quite obvious and typical, besides being 'delusional'.

1. I doubt it as he was a self centered bullying little bastard with no respect for himself or his family, or anyone else.

2. I wonder?, he wanted total control, and when he realized thet that police were there, and that he was no longer in contrail, that he just didn't commit suicide because of that realization?

3. And that is the problem he had no respect for himself or anyone else, He was reached out to by a Professor who took the time to personally mentor him, he had a family that took the time and effort to pay his way to college, he had a family that loved him, and how did he pay that love back, with selfishness and dishonor, and being the bully he was he decided to exert the only control that he could and take the life of 32 innocent people to gratify his selfish bullying need to be in absolute control.

4 Yes, and that is why trying to understand people like him, is a waste of time, he should have been put into treatment and kept there. Everyone else was trying to understand him, he wasn't trying to understand anyone else.

peta9

1. I doubt it as he was a self centered bullying little bastard with no respect for himself or his family, or anyone else.

2. I wonder?, he wanted total control, and when he realized thet that police were there, and that he was no longer in contrail, that he just didn't commit suicide because of that realization?

3. And that is the problem he had no respect for himself or anyone else, He was reached out to by a Professor who took the time to personally mentor him, he had a family that took the time and effort to pay his way to college, he had a family that loved him, and how did he pay that love back, with selfishness and dishonor, and being the bully he was he decided to exert the only control that he could and take the life of 32 innocent people to gratify his selfish bullying need to be in absolute control.

4 Yes, and that is why trying to understand people like him, is a waste of time, he should have been put into treatment and kept there. Everyone else was trying to understand him, he wasn't trying to understand anyone else.

Hey Hey!! You don't know what really happened or his family. I never condoned his behavior, I'm explaining it. People become delusional and forget that our existence in society is a totally reciprocal relationship. You can't dictate terms and expect cooperation from those who don't value what you deem or if they are not valued in return.

You are only calling him a bully is technically incorrect when he went through a lifetime of it. A true bully is one who does it just because they can, not out of final retribution as a 23 year old committing suicide! His antics in college are indicative of someone emotionally a child which would be in line with his autism, not bullying. They misunderstood his actions. And if he was a bit obnoxious, it was a reaction from his distrust. He had an imaginary girlfriend named Jelly. Give me a break, he was 23 years old and he didn't know what to do or couldn't even get a girlfriend.

You don't know if his family really cared for him or he knew how to reach out or accept it. What I'm saying is he didn't become this way overnight. It's cumulative and then his thought processes form beliefs.

What he did was an atrocious act but don't pretend to sit on your moral highhorse that he is evil and everybody is innocent. At least he has some excuse as he had a disorder, unfortunately aggravated by the numerous breathing assholes in this world!

peta9

Hey Hey!! You don't know what really happened or his family. I never condoned his behavior, I'm explaining it.

No your are making a moral equivalency, in that we have to understand his reasoning, Understanding his reasoning has nothing to do with it, and his past circumstance don't either, people did try to help him and he didn't accept the help, so what he did, as his reasoning was insane, and there is no rational person that can understand him or his reasoning, and if you claim that you do, I hope someone heads you to the nearest mental health clinic as soon as possible.

peta9

You are only calling him a bully is technically incorrect when he went through a lifetime of it. A true bully is one who does it just because they can, not out of final retribution as a 23 year old committing suicide! His antics in college are indicative of someone emotionally a child which would be in line with his autism, not bullying. They misunderstood his actions. And if he was a bit obnoxious, it was a reaction from his distrust. He had an imaginary girlfriend named Jelly. Give me a break, he was 23 years old and he didn't know what to do or couldn't even get a girlfriend.

You are doing everything that you can to explain why it is everybody else's fault, and not Chos, moral equivalence, that is what you are going for, because he thought he was abused he had the right to kill? And he killed just because he could, doesn't that make him the biggest bully of all?

What he did was an atrocious act but don't pretend to sit on your moral highhorse that he is evil and everybody is innocent. At least he has some excuse as he had a disorder, unfortunately aggravated by the numerous breathing assholes in this world!

The Gospel Chpt.1 Vs.1 of Cho, preached by his disciple peta9, every one else is a living breathing asshole, and deserve the death I am going to bring unto them.

peta9



You are doing everything that you can to explain why it is everybody else's fault, and not Chos, moral equivalence, that is what you are going for, because he thought he was abused he had the right to kill? And he killed just because he could, doesn't that make him the biggest bully of all?


No, it makes him a killer like all the killers in iraq or any military who gun down people based on set moral criteria. He perceived in his mind they were the enemy or deserved to die. Of course, those others would disagree. He paid for it with his own life. There is nothing you can do except make changes in a society so that these incidents occur less.

We all have blood on our hands.

The Gospel Chpt.1 Vs.1 of Cho, preached by his disciple peta9, every one else is a living breathing asshole, and deserve the death I am going to bring unto them.

No, you are bringing death without realizing it because you don't want to address the problems. You want the "other" to always adust for your comfort without realizing theirs. If that is the way you want it, then whatever happens is the consequences, why have this discussion. Of course they didn't deserve to die. But people are going to kill if continued bullying and mistreatment continue because of dehumanization.

It's quite silly people like you don't see how moot your thinking is regarding this situation.

I can't bring anything or stop them.

You want the "other" to always adust for your comfort without realizing theirs. .

This is the major problem.

peta9

No, you are bringing death without realizing it because you don't want to address the problems. You want the "other" to always adust for your comfort without realizing theirs. If that is the way you want it, then whatever happens is the consequences, why have this discussion. Of course they didn't deserve to die. But people are going to kill if continued bullying and mistreatment continue because of dehumanization.

It's quite silly people like you don't see how moot your thinking is regarding this situation.

I can't bring anything or stop them.

Again a great big pile of Bullshit, in a functioning socially people are always adjusting their comfort levels to account for others comfort levels, It is the mentally unstable that don't adjust for others comfort level, and everything I have seen says this is exactly how Mr. Cho operated, in a manner to increase everybody else's discomfort level, I live and function in a multi ethnic society, I have friend across a broad spectrum of society, I live so as to allow for their differences, but I cannot adjust for those differences if they don't want to give me the space I need for my own comfort level, Dear Mr. Cho had a family that thought enough of him to send him to College, dress him well, and cry when he destroyed himself, right now they are wondering what the hell they could have done different to change things, I have been involved with suicides, in my own family and friends and people that I knew from my PTSD treatments, Veterans that I have spent nights with trying to get them into treatment for their PTSD, for the way our liberals treated them when they came home, some I did some good for others I failed, but not one of them who chose suicide ever took out their personnel nightmares on any one else, they took their own live and didn't harm another living soul, they left families who mourned their lose, and wondered what the hell they could have done to make a difference, the families loved these men and women as only family can, and their friend miss them in the same way, so no I don't give Mr.Cho a pass, if his life was that bad, he should have stuck a gun down his throat and pull the trigger, everyone else has problems to, it is a fact of life, problems are life and over coming them is what make you great, and if you do decide it isn't worth living any more kill yourself, and take the responsibility for your action, don't do the CHO and blame everybody else for your own inability to adapt.

peta9



Again a great big pile of Bullshit, in a functioning socially people are always adjusting their comfort levels to account for others comfort levels, It is the mentally unstable that don't adjust for others comfort level, and everything I have seen says this is exactly how Mr. Cho operated, in a manner to increase everybody else's discomfort level, I live and function in a multi ethnic society, I have friend across a broad spectrum of society, I live so as to allow for their differences, but I cannot adjust for those differences if they don't want to give me the space I need for my own comfort level, Dear Mr. Cho had a family that thought enough of him to send him to College, dress him well, and cry when he destroyed himself, right now they are wondering what the hell they could have done different to change things, I have been involved with suicides, in my own family and friends and people that I knew from my PTSD treatments, Veterans that I have spent nights with trying to get them into treatment for their PTSD, for the way our liberals treated them when they came home, some I did some good for others I failed, but not one of them who chose suicide ever took out their personnel nightmares on any one else, they took their own live and didn't harm another living soul, they left families who mourned their lose, and wondered what the hell they could have done to make a difference, the families loved these men and women as only family can, and their friend miss them in the same way, so no I don't give Mr.Cho a pass, if his life was that bad, he should have stuck a gun down his throat and pull the trigger, everyone else has problems to, it is a fact of life, problems are life and over coming them is what make you great, and if you do decide it isn't worth living any more kill yourself, and take the responsibility for your action, don't do the CHO and blame everybody else for your own inability to adapt.


It is the mentally unstable that don't adjust for others comfort level, and everything I have seen says this is exactly how Mr. Cho operated, in a manner to increase everybody else's discomfort level,

That is a nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty and evil thing for you to say. He did not know how and he was mistreated long before he ended up in college just for being different not because he was doing anything to others.

He most likely started to pull pranks later but that is because of his experiences, resentment, and suspicion. He was autistic and had the emotional development of a child.

You are a disgusting pile of cowpatty. You are also prejudiced and a very dishonest individual.

He had a disability and he was weaker than others and because of that he was mistreated.

You are talking about an individual who believed people and the world are evil. He is not in the same mindframe of these people you mention above who have an inkling.

This is not about justifying his actions, it is about addressing these peoples problems so they don't go off the edge!!!! and you want to pretend he with his mental problems could do it!!

YOU FAIL TO SEE THAT YOU ARE CONDONING HIS KILLING. THEN ACCORDING TO BUFFALO ROAM THOSE PEOPLE DESERVED TO DIE LIFE HAPPENS. WELL LIFE DID HAPPEN HE KILLED. DEAL WITH THAT REALITY!

i'M NOT RESPONDING TO A PILE OF CRAP CONSERVATIVE JERK ANYMORE, I HAVE YOU ON IGNORE. I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.

LIFE HAPPENS.

Exactly. Now you get it!

Shit happens. that doesn't give you an excuse to go and shoot shit up!

Cho had problems. Whatever it was, the girlfriend or the teacher, it was just another problem of life. Not a rationale to go and murder

peta9

He most likely started to pull pranks later but that is because of his experiences, resentment, and suspicion. He was autistic and had the emotional development of a child.


And you can prove that he was autistic? and that his autism had any thing to do with his actions? now if he was so autistically challenged how did he get into college?

peta9

I can not find anywhere that he was ever diagnosed with Autism?

Exactly. Now you get it!

Shit happens. that doesn't give you an excuse to go and shoot shit up!

Cho had problems. Whatever it was, the girlfriend or the teacher, it was just another problem of life. Not a rationale to go and murder

You're are not making any sense, he did. So deal with it. See how that works both ways.

The above is just how you are approaching the problem and complaining while changing nothing--looking at the needs of the other.

The ball is not in his court anymore, you can't dictate to him your rules. He just upped the ante, if you don't want shooters like Cho, don't make their life miserable, mock, and taunt them because they are different or have a disability because everyone does just some are more common than others, they might bite back. People make rationales all the time for everything and anything. You can't determine what is rational for another. That's life, Get over it.

Right? Good.

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Peta,

1,) So mass murder is making sense now?
2.) So we should just forget all about it? Forget the 30 people? forget what we could have learned from the blunder of security? I think the families of the victims would have some choice words for you.
3) Or if we don't want shooters like cho we should learnd to accept the fact that mentally ill people need to be monitored. And if it's life, and I should get over it, then shouldn't cho have "Dealt with it" and not killed?

peta9

No, it makes him a killer like all the killers in iraq or any military who gun down people based on set moral criteria. He perceived in his mind they were the enemy or deserved to die. Of course, those others would disagree. He paid for it with his own life. There is nothing you can do except make changes in a society so that these incidents occur less.

We all have blood on our hands.

More liberal bullshit, the only blood on any hand is that of the 32 innocent people that were killed by Cho Seung-hui, and that blood is on his Head, and Hand, he took a bath in their blood, innocent blood, he wasn't a soldier, he wasn't Gods own avenging angle, and he was the one gunning down innocent people according to his own personnel moral criteria, no survival was involved, no threat to his life was involved, so were is any justification for his action, if you want to accept the blood do so, but it is your choice to do so, and I would recommend that any one that knows you personally on this site turn you in for a mental evaluation.

peta9


He just upped the ante, if you don't want shooters like Cho, don't make thier life miserable because they might bite back. That's life, Get over it.

Then you condone my playing the trump card and shooting Cho before he can raise the bet?

ps: Redefine91 peta has me on ignore please forward my reply to him.

Peta,

1,) So mass murder is making sense now?
2.) So we should just forget all about it? Forget the 30 people? forget what we could have learned from the blunder of security? I think the families of the victims would have some choice words for you.
3) Or if we don't want shooters like cho we should learnd to accept the fact that mentally ill people need to be monitored. And if it's life, and I should get over it, then shouldn't cho have "Dealt with it" and not killed?

Who are you aruing with? Why can't you just roll with the punches like you expect Cho to do? Why are you a whiner?
I'm following your logic

Those choice words from them are not my responsiblity and I would have choice words for them if they did! I'm not imposing my opinons on them. It will not change anything.

Should? How many times have I heard that. Things didn't go the way YOU would like. So don't you think you should "Deal with it?"

Security is the only issue right? You revealed everything right there. Since society does not care for someone like Cho, then you can only expect the worst.

Up your security.

I am rolling with the punches. I am realizing your a stupid prick with no ability to comprehend basic logic. And do you see me shooting 30 people. Nope.

I assumed that you, like most normal people, could realize that by quoting you in my rebuttal I was targeting you. Apparently your common sense didn't extend as far as I thought.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1364156&postcount=32

This is from BR. You pussed out and put him on ignore because he was ripping you a new one. be a man and continue.

Redefine91 I love it, I Just Love It! Redefine91 you have a way with words. ROTFLMAO

I am rolling with the punches. I am realizing your a stupid prick with no ability to comprehend basic logic. And do you see me shooting 30 people. Nope.

I assumed that you, like most normal people, could realize that by quoting you in my rebuttal I was targeting you. Apparently your common sense didn't extend as far as I thought.

Lol, you are not rolling with shit! And that is why you are pissed off. You couldn't control the universe. Now who is whining now?? hmm?

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1364156&postcount=32

This is from BR. You pussed out and put him on ignore because he was ripping you a new one. be a man and continue.

Why would I argue with a brick wall? I don't see eye to eye with you or Buffalo Shit.

It's that simple.

peta9, my 4 year old grandson has more logic in a debate than you do.

Redefine91 I love it, I Just Love It! Redefine91 you have a way with words. ROTFLMAO

What my forwarding of your answer?

it's not really that big of a slam. Just look up "ignore" on sciwiki. IT gives a good descriptiono of the basic function of hitting ignore

Why would I argue with a brick wall? I don't see eye to eye with you or Buffalo Shit.

It's that simple.

Because the brick wall keeps shooting down your points every time you respond, you decide to end it?

...thats funny I don't see a white flag coming from anywhere around you. I don't see eye to eye with your bull shit but I still keep going. Mind you, it is mostly for entertainment purposes, kinda like pretending to throw a ball and watching a dog chase nothing, but the point is the principle of the thing

peta9,
You mean the same wimps and cowards that bully Cho and others their entire lives so they could feel a sense of control and power over others??
You seem very confused, peta9. Bullies are the exception, not the rule. Bullies are the ignorant, socially inept that think they are increasing their own self-worth by exerting power and control over the weak in their social group. Many of them are in need of counseling, hopefully to get them to understand their anti-social behaviour, or to be expelled from school if they refuse, or are too ignorant, to recognize that their behavior is immature and unacceptable. The 'expelled from school' is always the problem, isn't it? Can we as a society deny an individual an education because he/she is not-to-bright and bullies other students?

What makes you think Cho was 'bullied' his entire life? Some kids made fun of him in class when he was young. How many people have not been teased or mocked at some point when they were kids? A mentally healthy individual will be able to put the incident behind them and move on with their lives. People like Cho tend to hold such childish episodes inside them, accumilating and turning into anger over time. They see everyone as bullies. Many people tried to connect with Cho, but he distrusted and rejected all who could have been friends with him, even his Korean classmates. His own sister adjusted to her new society. The problem was Cho's own fears and weaknesses he could not deal with and festered into anger, not 'society'.
Your cowardly and dishonest one-sided analysis is the very reason these atrocious incidents happen from time to time because they step out of the boundaries of acceptable behavior and get retribution while they've been treated like dirt under someone's shoes.
LMAO! Do you actually believe calling me 'cowardly and dishonest' makes me feel embarrassed or angry? Tell me, who treated Cho like 'dirt under their shoes'? The students who greeted him with a 'Hi' which he refused to acknowledge? His roommates who tried to talk with him, but whom he ignored? He didn't shoot his roommates, so he didn't have anything against them personally. No, it was his own mental disorders that caused him to feel persecuted and angry at the world. He hated the faceless, well-adjusted and happy people because of his own mental illness. His 'retribution' was directed at these same normal, well-adjusted students and professors that enjoyed life and had done nothing to him.

Redefine91 I was looking for a creative answer, and I do love your way of putting it to Peta9, you sunk it all the way in, nice shot.

Lol, you are not rolling with shit! And that is why you are pissed off. You couldn't control the universe. Now who is whining now?? hmm?

Yup.

My utter disdain at not having the ability of wielding the powers of the universe drove me to complaining. You caught me.

It's not even conceiveable that I could just disagree with every syllable of your answers, causing me to constantly respond correcting them. Not conceiveable at all.

2inquisitive, excellent post, well said.

You seem very confused, peta9. Bullies are the exception, not the rule. Bullies are the ignorant, socially inept that think they are increasing their own self-worth by exerting power and control over the weak in their social group.

Ha!
What bullshit psychobabble. Bullies are bullies like predators are predators.

I don't argue with Buffalo because
1) Text wall!
2) His punctuation sucks. I don't know if he's scared of periods and capital letters because of the PTSD or whatever, but he should seriously take a remedial class or two to learn how to structure a paragraph.
4) I'll be buggered if I have to read a sentence that's actually two paragraphs without punctuation.
3) Rather than concede a point, he changes definitions, then makes some stuff up.
4) He makes stuff up.


But really, if he broke his textwalls into little pieces, 2,3&4 would be forgivable.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1364156&postcount=32

This is from BR. You pussed out and put him on ignore because he was ripping you a new one. be a man and continue.

Your brain is shallow as gumby and buffalos' dense as a cow, that's why I can't argue. Cho in his own mind, had a reason for killing, just like the columbine killers. Continued mistreatment equal dehumanization. When someone is dehumanized, they can easily kill. The bullying in schools needs to be seriously addressed just like harassment laws in the workplace. If someone decides to shoot at people, you can only control it when the time comes.

Your stupid "nothing" argument about what Cho should or should not have done is ridiculous and immature considering he is out of your control. That's why I sarcasticly asked who you were arguing with, einstein.

There is nothing really more to say.

Or Cho simply could have had a broken head or something, where he lacked that little voice that goes "I know you'd love to kill everyone, but really, you wouldn't survive a shoot out with SWAT."


So uh, NASA incident. Anyone know any specifics?

Or Cho simply could have had a broken head or something, where he lacked that little voice that goes "I know you'd love to kill everyone, but really, you wouldn't survive a shoot out with SWAT."


So uh, NASA incident. Anyone know any specifics?


The tapes show he knew he was going to die. Everyone has had fantasies of killing their enemies or making a statement and if they deny it, they are lying. He actually went through with it. But society can be thankful most people don't go through with it especially if they think they have something to lose or live for.

The tapes show he knew he was going to die. Everyone has had fantasies of killing their enemies or making a statement and if they deny it, they are lying. He actually went through with it. But society can be thankful most people don't go through with it especially if they think they have something to lose or live for.

Right. He lacked the part that puts the value of self over killing people.


Or he simply wanted to committ suicide, and taking as many people with him as he could was an attractive notion.

Cho in his own mind, had a reason for killing, just like the columbine killers.
Oh ok so as long as I think I have a reason for something I am not really to blame. I have a reason to go blow my neighbors head away. Not my fault, I just have a reason.


Continued mistreatment equal dehumanization.

Bullying is a natural part of life. You dealt with it. I did. BR did. everyone did. Children will not always have their mommies and daddies to talk to other mommies and daddies about bullying. Continued bullying only has one good side effect: People learn how to deal with bullies and how to stand up for themselves. That skill is vital in every facet of life. If cho was bullied he should have learned how to deal with it, as we all have to deal with things. We deal with shitty bosses who technically are bullies, using superior power to terrorize inferiors. Cho's actions were not, I repeat, wereNOT justifiable. I don't care if his family was flayed alive, there is no reason for mass murder, especially that of innocents, innocents with absolutely NO connection to the very events that caused you to finally snap.


That's why I sarcasticly asked who you were arguing with, einstein.

Forgive me I didn't think you could wrap your narrow mind around a concept as large as sarcasm.

peta9,

You seem very confused, peta9. Bullies are the exception, not the rule. Bullies are the ignorant, socially inept that think they are increasing their own self-worth by exerting power and control over the weak in their social group. Many of them are in need of counseling, hopefully to get them to understand their anti-social behaviour, or to be expelled from school if they refuse, or are too ignorant, to recognize that their behavior is immature and unacceptable. The 'expelled from school' is always the problem, isn't it? Can we as a society deny an individual an education because he/she is not-to-bright and bullies other students?

What makes you think Cho was 'bullied' his entire life? Some kids made fun of him in class when he was young. How many people have not been teased or mocked at some point when they were kids? A mentally healthy individual will be able to put the incident behind them and move on with their lives. People like Cho tend to hold such childish episodes inside them, accumilating and turning into anger over time. They see everyone as bullies. Many people tried to connect with Cho, but he distrusted and rejected all who could have been friends with him, even his Korean classmates. His own sister adjusted to her new society. The problem was Cho's own fears and weaknesses he could not deal with and festered into anger, not 'society'.

LMAO! Do you actually believe calling me 'cowardly and dishonest' makes me feel embarrassed or angry? Tell me, who treated Cho like 'dirt under their shoes'? The students who greeted him with a 'Hi' which he refused to acknowledge? His roommates who tried to talk with him, but whom he ignored? He didn't shoot his roommates, so he didn't have anything against them personally. No, it was his own mental disorders that caused him to feel persecuted and angry at the world. He hated the faceless, well-adjusted and happy people because of his own mental illness. His 'retribution' was directed at these same normal, well-adjusted students and professors that enjoyed life and had done nothing to him.

You are pathetic, who are you trying to convince? me or yourself? .

Do you not understand what "don't agree" means? Apparently not, so you are preaching to me.

You don't even realize what you are arguing. You are arguing what a person like Cho should have done when this incidence did not occur in a hypothetical world according to you.

You are not grasping it imbecile. He is gone, it is done. Should've, could've, would've is a moot point. You are ridiculously retarded just like your pasture mate the Heffer.

You can't dictate what someone else is going to do.

Oh ok so as long as I think I have a reason for something I am not really to blame. I have a reason to go blow my neighbors head away. Not my fault, I just have a reason.




Bullying is a natural part of life. You dealt with it. I did. BR did. everyone did. Children will not always have their mommies and daddies to talk to other mommies and daddies about bullying. Continued bullying only has one good side effect: People learn how to deal with bullies and how to stand up for themselves. That skill is vital in every facet of life. If cho was bullied he should have learned how to deal with it, as we all have to deal with things. We deal with shitty bosses who technically are bullies, using superior power to terrorize inferiors. Cho's actions were not, I repeat, wereNOT justifiable. I don't care if his family was flayed alive, there is no reason for mass murder, especially that of innocents, innocents with absolutely NO connection to the very events that caused you to finally snap.




Forgive me I didn't think you could wrap your narrow mind around a concept as large as sarcasm.


I'll try to make it as painless for a sniveling coward such as yourself could manage.

All that drivel is bullshit. Why? Because, little child, Cho does not think like you. Comprende?

He like anyone is going to make their own choices. Your justifications are just that, your own. You can't project your own values onto another.

He did it and he didn't ask for mine, yours or anyone else's approval. What is your angst? Because he screwed people over and you don't like it. Stop crying about to me asshole. Bring him back to life and tell it to him.

I'll try to make it as painless for a sniveling coward such as yourself could manage.

Sniveling Coward?

"I am putting on Ignore Buffalo Roam!"

That, my friend is a coward

All that drivel is bullshit. Why? Because, little child, Cho does not think like you. Comprende?

I wasn't aware that you knew him personally.

He like anyone is going to make their own choices. Your justifications are just that, your own. You can't project your own values onto another.

Again you fail to grasp the concept that just because you can make up a justification for an action.....DOES NOT actually make it a true one. If I thought it was justifiable to blow up McDonalds because they messed up my order, does it make it justifiable in real life? From what I have read your not too smart so I'll answer for you. NO it does not.

Oh ok so as long as I think I have a reason for something I am not really to blame. I have a reason to go blow my neighbors head away. Not my fault, I just have a reason.

WTF??!! WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO THE MINDS OF THESE SHOOTERS, YOU DEMENTED, OFFBASE, OUT-OF-CONTEXT FREAK?

EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD MUST BE A FREAKING RETARD.

WHAT IN HELL'S NAME DOES IT MATTER WHAT YOU OR I THINK, YOU QUADRUPLE NITWIT. IT'S ABOUT THEIR MINDS NOT YOURS, YOU IDIOT.

CAN YOU DIG IT? CAN YOU WRAP YOUR TINBRAIN AROUND THAT FACT?

Wow peta9, you're sure worked up about strangers on the internet. Don't kill anyone, k?

For anyone who is sane that reads this thread, it doesn't matter what our thinking processes are and what we consider to be rational or just.

The issue is how other potential shooters like Cho think and rationalize given their cumulative experiences.

This thread has become ridiculous.

QUADRUPLE NITWIT.


I am proud as fuck to have surpassed the mental lackings of a triple nitwit.




CAN YOU DIG IT?

I dunno you tell me Issac Hayes.

For anyone who is sane that reads this thread, it doesn't matter what our thinking processes are and what we consider to be rational or just.

The issue is how other potential shooters like Cho think and rationalize given their cumulative experiences.

This thread has become ridiculous.

Which is exactly what we have been discussing. I think Cho's action are not justifiable no matter what his crazy ass thought. You disagree

the thread really hasn't drifted that much until you went Howard Dean on us a few posts ago.

Next time, perhaps try discussing the topic without personal attacks.

Thread closed.