In my research, I have come across posibile explantation of gravity, not in Newtonian Mechanics, but in wave mechanics.... please bear with me... Physics has been attempting to find the unified field theory, a universal force that would link gravitation with electromagnetic and subatomic forces. To date, no one has been successful. My proposition is that the force of gravity is caused by a wave emitted from a mass oscillating in space-time. Assume an object falls into a pool of water. Waves radiate outward from the central point, decreasing in amplitude as the wave moves farther from the central point. The model of an object falling into a pool of water is three-dimensional. The waves radiate outward on a two-dimensional plane while moving vertically, adding a third-dimension. Thus a sphere will involve four-dimensions, which means Space-Time applies. Amplitude determines the intensity of the wave. ~The longer the amplitude, the more intense the wave ~The shorter the amplitude, the less intense the wave This explains the decrease in brightness of light as distance increases if one assumes a scenario as described in the object falling into pool example Lasers – A laser does not radiate the wave as in the pool of water example, thus amplitude will not change. This will cause an equally bright point at any distance (assuming vacuum). Now assume a wave created on a string attached to a wall and held at its other end by a hand. The wave will “pull” on the wall when it rebounds ~The longer the amplitude the larger the force ~The longer the velocity the larger the force Objects oscillate in space-time. This is similar to an object on a spring An increase a mass will increase the distance the spring will oscillate Appling this to objects in space-time, they generate a higher amplitude of gravitational waves. --------------------- Thus I derive the following: Gravity is a wave that radiates outward from a mass through space-time. Gravity travels at a constant speed, namely the speed of light. Because the wave radiates in a spherical manner, amplitude will decrease as distance increases. If amplitude decreases, then force decreases. Thus as distance increases, force decreases, this holds true for all observations by modern science. Mass increases will increase amplitude, which in turn increases force. All modern scientific observations support that gravitational force between objects increases if their masses increase, all other thing being constant.
Way to go, Einstein! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! By the way, lasers *do* radiate light as in a pool - the radiation is directed with mirrors. What doesn't change about a laser is the frequency of the light it radiates.
True lasers do radiate as a "pool" but, I am considering the end product produced by the mirriors, a strait beam of photon waves.
Yes, and the amplitude of the straight beam of light waves decreases proportionally to its distance from the source. Gravitational waves, as I understand, are something predicted in general relativity, hence the Einstein reference.
Yes, Einstein referenced the wave, he was indeed obsessed with it in last few years. I had his work as an inspiration, however, what is presented here is my own work and theory.
I am currently trying to find a way to test it Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! As the energy is transferred through a wave in time, I am not entirely sure how to measure it...
A suggestion: If your hypothesis made some kind of quantitative prediction, it would be much easier to turn into a testable theory.
F = G Mm/d^2 IS JUST LIKE....... F = K Qq/d^2 WOW..... and as it turns out... gravity is found to propegate and emit from a body in exactly the same manner.... as electrostatic fields.... wow.... gee... gosh golly..... do you think its a coincidense? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! -MT
That is where I started Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And don't believe there is a such thing as a coincidence... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ---------------- As for differing from Einstein, he saw curvature to be constant as long as masses did not move. My theory states the mass oscillates in space-time, causing continuous changing in space time (thus frame of reference constantly changes) Going back to the pool of water, it is currently undisturbed, a perfectly flat plane. Suddenly a drop of water falls into it, waves ripple outward caused by an oscillating center... These waves will travel outward, expanding the area within the wave. Sounds familiar? Perhaps it reminds you of the big bang?
Please forgive the double post; it has been a few days without anyone posting… I’m sure ya’ll know of the inverse square law and it’s application to light. Well, I have determined the dimensions of amplitude to be [M*L / T^2] This is would be the dimensions of force, therefore the amplitude of a gravitational wave will determine the force at that point…. a=Gm(1)m(2)/r^2 If the mass remains constant… A {is proportional to} 1 / r^2 This shows the inverse square law to gravity. Moreover, I have determined wavelength to be (lambda) = h*c*r/G/m(1)/m(2) This means as objects move closer (r decreases), the wavelength will decrease. This is expected because it represents blue-shift.
It takes energy to make a wave wave, right? Then what energy is keeping these gravitional waves waving? If you put an object out in space and flew a super massive something past it at some distance, you could calculate the speed of the gravitational waves by seeing how long it took the other object to be affected by the g-waves (because all good physicists use acronyms). Also, shouldnt be able to detect a sort of g-wave Doppler effect? Push your finger down into your mattress and move it in a line. Could space-time behave the same way your bed sheets do? bunching up in the front (increased frequency) and be stretched out in the back (decreased frequency)? making the g-waves in front "bluer" and the ones in the back "redder"? Maybe you could test your hypothesis that way. Isn't that already a theory, though? And what do you mean mass oscillates? You wouldnt happen to live in a neighbhorhood called Fonn Villas, would you?
What about this theory? Suppose we take a string, say, a few feet long, it's dangling down, and we move it, to make a wave with it. As the wave is existant, the string of course is shorter in length. Of course, it's not shorter, still the same true length but in a linear measurement, it is shorter. Now let's relate that to finite space-time. Whether it is finite or infinite, doesn't matter. It will only be infinite in the future, but at present, space-time is a finite length at this moment in time. So when an object posits a wave, it creates a vacuum in space-time which attracts the objects, hence gravity. Space is non-linear just as the environment with the string but time is linear, as the string is. And when the string stops, it's not positing a force, therefore, no attraction. Gravity happens when you have two like objects on the same frequency that happen to run into each other. If I put both of my hands in water, moved one, then the other is going to want to follow. The inducer of the action creates a vacuum that attracts the other hand. Imagine when we have vibrating objects in a three dimensional space crowded along with other objects that are operating on the same frequency or close. One may meet another by chance, while on the same frequency at the same time, so roughly they both get caught in each others vacuum or vortex of time-space. Just like if we all moved our hands around, back and forth in a bathtub, eventually one of us is going to meet another one moving their hands in roughly the same frequency and that frequency will increase in strength. That explains the initial attraction. Now when two of us are on the same frequency or caught in the same vortex, others will likely to chance by and get caught in the same vortex. Imagine a 3D space with the same happening except with a 3D spherical object. As one gets caught in the frequency of another, it creates a stronger positive vacuum force towards the the initial objects. That vacuum force of other objects being pulled in faster and stronger, creates even a stronger vacuum force which exponentially increases the strength of the vacuum as attraction increases, sort of explaining how a black hole operates. But this is assuming the moving particles which emit waves are vibrating back and forth, not in a radial patter of course. But seems to me, the law of perfection or opposites which I seemed to have dreamed up, states that it would be inefficient for the objects to vibrate any other way but back and forth, instead of radially like a vibrating toothbrush. After all, we are on the same track here that all we see, hear, feel, touch, sense is caused by waves of some kind, aren't we? Without movement, action, force to create waves, the universe would be null. Which would be a very inefficient use of space for a perfect God. I assure you all the real estate we have is here to be used and not null space. Light is a different story. It has less magnitude. What light does is temporarily pushes particles in the 3D space and that particle pushes back with the same sudden quick force which pushes the particles back to our eyes. I think of it like water in the ocean. Because that's pretty much what our universe is, just a sea of particles pushing and pulling each other, attracting and repulsing. Light is like a quick punch which reverberates back which of course is a different frequency/amplitude than gravity. Anyhow, that's about 30 minutes of thinking. Surely I'm missing something if I think that answered your question. That's my theory of light and gravitation anyway, but then again, I'm only high school educated and self taught in a few other areas.
Thats interesting... How are you educating yourself? I am in highschool and my school doesnt offer a theoretical physics course, so I do what I can to satiate my curiosity (thankfully nothing has worked yet).
God. You may laugh but summarily, it's true. All knowledge and all creation comes from God. And to truly find God is like that of gravity. It's strength grows exponentionally because it is linked to more. It is like a jigsaw puzzle. The more pieces you find, the easier it is to put together. Just as science and technology increases exponentionally, so does my knowledge from God. He is like the picture or the instructions. Lower yourself to know that you don't have all the answers to the puzzle, and look up, there you will find the instructions to the puzzle. I'm surprised no one has debated my theory yet. Especially if I mention God in it, someone will quickly want to refute it. But just to elaborate on my theory, this involves any particle down to the quantum or even sub-quantum level which has energy. Just as two vibrating particles come together, energy is converted between the two. Even if both particles are just as active and on the same frequency, eventually if they are close enough, they will latch on or sync up to each other's wave frequencies and energy is hence transferred between the two. They are running synchronously together, synched up when we see gravity affecting the particles. Light on the other hand, runs at a stronger, more intense frequency. Take the hand in the bathtub model, for instance, or could be a pool. If my hand is a lot bigger and stronger than yours, and operating 10 times as fast, and I move my hand towards yours while vibrating it back and forth, say a few inches and slower, it won't be nearly as affected by the synchronicity of your hand or anyone elses who is synchronous to yours. But that is light and gravity summed up on the molecular/atomic/quantum> scale.
The reason is simply that what you've said isn't a scientific theory. It's word soup, nothing more. It is quite likely that no one will waste any time discussing such nonsense, but I wanted to make sure you weren't deluded into thinking that what you've said is reasonable. Please don't think me too harsh because I would love to see you do some real science, but this isn't it.
Do you want numbers? How do you put it all into an equation? I like to debate using math, because you can't deny it. If I had the advanced mathematic skill and experience, I would put it in numbers if possible.
Michalowski, Let me see if I understand you. Start with a plane. Pretend there is some sort of force that acts just like gravity in the third dimension and it pulls objects in the 2D plane down with it. This plane is perpendicular to this gravity. Put a circle with some mass in the plane... the gravity pulls down on this circle and causes the plane to stretch downward forming a cone. Any object on the plane close enough to this cone will fall down, too, toward this circle. The more mass this circle has, the steeper the cone. Is that what you mean? Or am I just crazy?
Just on this... I studied about 2 yrs of University Physics a while back (before i dropped out to become a pilot). So my memory on this is a little hazy. I thought gravity was instantaneous. For example if you were to remove the sun from our solar system, then the planets would all at the same time drift off on a tangent to their respective orbits. Not one by one, as the theory above implies, when they're hit by "waves" at the speed of light. I could be horribly wrong with this so if you want to correct me please do. Its just a thought i had. Good theory though, only thing it lacks is the chance to prove Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Keep the good thinking up!
YO... YOU MISSED MY POINT BRO.!!! please.. just give this alittle thought... it can all work... and work easily and well... if you replace these waves and curved space nonsense... with 'NUETRAL ELECTROSTATIC TENSION' in fact we could call it... simply 'spatial tension'... it is just like the electrostatic field of force... but it has no polarity and exists between all nucleon particles.... and is relative to mass. the electrostatic field... as we know is always relative to the surface area of a mass... the notion of frequency would be an entirely seperate matter being energy above and beyond the pure static force we know gravity to be... just replace all the wave ideas.. with electrostatic fields... and wallha.. it can work.. but you must look at things in a way which is the diametrical opposite of the electromagnetic perspective. electrostatic fields... exist... and they have no mass... it is fundamental. just as gravity is... the similarities are so numerous... surely you must be able to make the leap of faith into thinking of gravity as a static phenomena... just slightly different than polarized electrostatics. curved space??? or a manifestation as the result of the density of nuetral and polarized electrostatic fields lines of force eminating from a body and between bodies.. the cause??? break down and seperation... one becomes many and inbetween all the pieces... forms the fields... developed... as potential energy.. as a result of the initial break down... being the big bang... or as i would say.. 8D. the 8th dimension. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT... i was very hungry... and i found this.. its delicious, and i would share it. -MT
