I am extremely fond of this style and always have been. The incredible artistry of the buildings wedded to the extreme amounts of time (sometimes hundreds of years!) to build these majestic buildings has impressed me ever since I was a child.

What about the rest of you? Any other fans of this style?

I love gothic japanese music...not much of the buildings, they are too Satanic.

You are a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped into a little suicidal boy.

Beautifull constructions, wish people had the tallent and time for that now.

Yup, Gothic is nice. I prefer the later stuff, when it is well advanced. Mind you, Durham cathedral is pretty, although still somewhat Norman.

I always look at such architecture and wonder how many starving people could have been fed using that same amount of money ....instead of spending it on a big building.

Or didn't people care about all the starving people back then? ...just like we don't care about them now? ..even tho' we make that claim all the time?

Baron Max

Early?
Middle?
Perpendicular?
Which style of Gothic?

Middle is a bit better, perpendicular has its own merits, but somehow isnt as interesting to me.

I always look at such architecture and wonder how many starving people could have been fed using that same amount of money ....instead of spending it on a big building.

Or didn't people care about all the starving people back then? ...just like we don't care about them now? ..even tho' we make that claim all the time?

Baron Max
You don't feed people with money -- you feed them with food.
What is your doctrine: "Let them eat masonry" ?
Why would the construction of a gothic cathedral starve anyone?
Would it affect the productivity of an ox-team and heavy plough?

You don't feed people with money -- you feed them with food.
What is your doctrine: "Let them eat masonry" ?
Why would the construction of a gothic cathedral starve anyone?
Would it affect the productivity of an ox-team and heavy plough?

That sure as hell was a silly thing to say!

Baron Max

That sure as hell was a silly thing to say!
Is it beyond you, then, to explain why building a church or cathedral (gothic or otherwise I presume) would cause people to starve?

On the whole, I should have said that the presence of a large stone building that might serve to protect harvest and livestock against tempest and flood was likely, to a degree, to prevent starvation.

I am extremely fond of this style and always have been. The incredible artistry of the buildings wedded to the extreme amounts of time (sometimes hundreds of years!) to build these majestic buildings has impressed me ever since I was a child.

What about the rest of you? Any other fans of this style?

I absolutely love Gothic buildings...don't understand why people tend to call the Middle Ages 'dark'....Gothic Cathedrals are the most detailed and spiritual churches you can find.
Prince I advice you to read George Dubuy's 'Cathedralbuilders'. Dubuy was a French professor specialised in the Middle Ages!

I always look at such architecture and wonder how many starving people could have been fed using that same amount of money ....instead of spending it on a big building.You need a refresher course in freshman Econ 101A. How would having all those unemployed architects, stonemasons, carpenters, painters, glass cutters and other craftsmen in the village create more food, much less get it into the hands of people who couldn't pay the farmers for it? If they weren't buying clothes, shoes, furniture, and other necessities, then the local merchants would have less money. They would have to lay off some of their employees and you'd have even more people who couldn't afford to buy food. Landlords wouldn't get paid... unemployment invariably begets poverty. Building a cathedral was the medieval equivalent of FDR's make-work projects.

It sounds like you're suggesting that the church just give its tithing money to the poor people without them doing anything to earn it. Since the church was the local equivalent of government, what you're advocating is welfare. I thought you were opposed to welfare? Don't you always say that people who don't earn money should be allowed to starve to death? Here you are taking away their jobs and demanding that the church simply donate money to them for doing nothing!

You need a refresher course in freshman Econ 101A. How would having all those unemployed architects, stonemasons, carpenters, painters, glass cutters and other craftsmen in the village create more food, much less get it into the hands of people who couldn't pay the farmers for it? If they weren't buying clothes, shoes, furniture, and other necessities, then the local merchants would have less money. ....

Sure ...for a little while. But what about after the church is completed? What does Econ 101A say about that?

Building a cathedral was the medieval equivalent of FDR's make-work projects.

Taking, stealing, from the rich to give to the poor ....borrowing from future generations to give to the poor in the present. What does your Econ 101A have to say about that?

Baron Max

http://static.flickr.com/111/288608250_df3d92f6f2.jpg

i love this picture!

The church never made much money from public tithing. Most of its enormous wealth up until the 20th century came from donations of land and other assets from wealthy patrons who wanted to go to heaven.

They used to own half of Italy...called the Papal States. And yes the church has sucked megabillions out of the european economy for their glittering palazzos and luxurious lifestyles.

If the peasants starved at their expense...so what?

'Blessed are the meek' they would say...who reap their reward in heaven.

http://www.madlion.co.uk/images/Whitby_Abbey_ruins.tww.jpg

too bad Abbey church ruins picture was not taken at night at moonlight...

http://www.madlion.co.uk/images/Whitby_Abbey_ruins.tww.jpg

too bad Abbey church ruins picture was not taken at night at moonlight...

You can just whip that picture into photoshop and create any background or time of day you want.

You can just whip that picture into photoshop and create any background or time of day you want.

Yeah...but I also want to see shadows casted by moonlight...through windows. :rolleyes:

You can do that too. It just takes knowledge as to how to do it but it can be achieved.

http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/clickit/search?r_aid=8CE7E54096894B8B857305FFC1FD2010&r_eop=2&r_sacop=9&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=3&r_spp=6&r_wsm=0&qqn=qG1%2B4.ui&r_coid=239138&rawto=http://www.htmlcenter.com/tutorials/index.cfm/photoshop/

Why fake it? WHy not take up medieval re-enacting and get to spend the night in Whitby abbey grounds?
My tent was pitched in front of the buttress to the right of the corner nearest the camera, the one with the niches in it.

WHilst I was there I took these photos:
This is one of the windows just to the right, out of that picture above:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p62/a_guthrie/DSC01343.jpg

The end of that section of transept, at night:


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p62/a_guthrie/DSC01346.jpg

I am extremely fond of this style and always have been. The incredible artistry of the buildings wedded to the extreme amounts of time (sometimes hundreds of years!) to build these majestic buildings has impressed me ever since I was a child.

What about the rest of you? Any other fans of this style?

Same. Gothic architecture is my favorite architecture. It was designed to be impressive and display power and majesty.