I just caught Al Gore's Speech (http://www.moveonpac.org/goreremarks052604.html/) pertaining to present foreign policy. You can watch an mpeg from C-Span (http://www.c-span.org/)

The former VP has finally articulated what should be said right now by the Democratic Party and its candidate, and expresses what Americans as a whole vitally need to understand. This speech, even with the spare attention it has received from major media, gives me hope. It is still very difficult for the citizens and leaders of the United States to squarely face a colossal national self-deception, that is leading toward true disaster for our nation. But even so, signs of an overdue reevaluation of our Emporer's New Suit (http://hca.gilead.org.il/emperor.html) are most welcome, to say the least.

Gore concluded his speech with a reference to Lincoln, our "time of greatest trial", and the meaning of our democracy. Here's hoping for more leaders, who will compel Americans to listen, think, and speak now, before the turmoil we escalate becomes too deafening for reason to be heard, and before we fail a new and profound national trial.

I believe we have a duty to hold President Bush accountable - and I believe we will. As Lincoln said at our time of greatest trial, "We - even we here - hold the power, and bear the responsibility."

Is he gunning for the VP slot again? It is basically too late for the reason to be heard. It is not due to any person's personality or activity, it is the walls we are building around us , that is becoming a live tomb. And that wall is the rules and laws that are in place that is causing such a mess. No lawmaker has the ability to do anything about it. In the meantime, we graduate 2,000,000 criminals from our prison system every year.

Blame everything on "Training"....

He has exposed Americans abroad and Americans in every U.S. town and city to a greater danger of attack by terrorists because of his arrogance, willfulness, and bungling at stirring up hornet's nests that pose no threat whatsoever to us.
-Al Gore

This comment is the key to either Al Gore's complete stupidity or evil desires, I think it is a combination. He exposed us to greater dangers. I guess 9/11 was not much of danger, eh Al, and what exactly did Bush do to stir that up. IDIOT!!! This whole statement angers me, what arrogance, what evil. I cannot believe people wanted to elect this guy or that even people would want to be associated with him.

I cannot fathom that someone would actually agree with the crap he spewed, shows truly awful liberalism really is and that it is nothing but a bane and blight on this great country. Very sad indeed!

I think he meant Iraq. By raping, torturing and killing Iraqis which was otherwise contained - the entire country is now against us.

yeah, I dont think he was talking about 9/11.
I think he made some interesting and valid points but his "outrage" and speaking voice in general is just creepy rather than moving.
Might come across better on printed page..

Incase you have not noticed, he was reading from a printed text. He was trying to be more animated since, he has been accused of as a robot, in the past. I guess, it did not work...He needs to take some serious acting lessons.:D

Talking about Emperor's New Suit, there is a book by the name "Our Emperors have no clothes" by Alan Weiss. In it, he describes the stupid stuff the corporate bosses do. Yet no one pays any attention to it and keep doing the same stupid stuff. Politicians are no different....

We havnt seen him for awhile because he was busy re-inventing the internet *LOL*
What a tool.

Kerry/Gore in 2004, that has a nice ring to it.

eh Al, and what exactly did Bush do to stir that up. IDIOT!!!

Bush the man didn't do anything to aggravate the 9/11 attacks, American policy has. They didn't attack you for no reason, yes the US has some VERY evil things in the past in the world. No one can deny that Americans are arrogant, that's a fact just like the French are. It sucks when the weak are able to voice their anger against the powerful doesn’t it? The reality is that Bush has made you and the US significantly weaker, and more vulnerable to terrorists, and attacks. Gore is really not the issue here; the issue is how to get out of this self-perpetuating hole of self-aggrandizement the US exerts.

that joke, about gore inventing the internet, is that actually based on anything? did he actually say that or is it sort of a myth that doesn't go away? because I can't find an actual quote from him declaring himself the inventor of the net anywhere.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"
Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.

lol, no shit!? I've always wondered about that, thanks.

I think the Nixon comparison is innappropriate. Nixon and Bush share a penchant for lieing but Nixon's policies were nowhere near as destructive as Bush's(at least when the context of the time is taken into account)

Gore reminds me of Quale sometimes. Whats up with this idiotic VPs?

Oct. 25 2000 JACKSON, Tenn. (Reuters) — Criticizing Bush's Social Security privatization plan at a rally in Tennessee, Gore said, "He is proposing to privatize a big part of Social Security and he's proposing to take $1 trillion, a million billion dollars out of the Social Security trust fund and give it as a tax incentive to young workers."

A Million Billion makes a trillion eh? *LOL*

"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992.

"My first pledge will be to restore integrity to the White House. And I'll fire anyone who has lied to the American people or the United States Congress."
(Source: Al Gore, in a February 2, 1988 presidential debate)

There goes the Government *LOL*

"You think if you get elected, Gore will try to take credit for it?"
-- Jay Leno, interviewing George Bush (Monday, October 30)

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: No,
Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create I also invented the microphone the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. Al Gore might not know nearly as much about the Internet and other technologies as his image would have us believe, and he certainly has been guilty of stretching (if not outright breaking) the truth before, but to believe that Gore seriously thought he could take credit for the "invention" of the Internet — in the sense offered by the media — is just silly. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean the same thing: If they mean the same thing, then why have the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet when he never used that word? The answer is that the words don't mean the same thing, but by substituting one word for the other, commentators can make Gore's claim sound [more] ridiculous.)
More....
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm

Gore reminds me of Quale sometimes. Whats up with this idiotic VPs?

I agree gore had many idioc moments and the charisma of a coffe machine but give me a break, it seems kind of silly to point out a few errors of a VP when the sitting president makes gore look like einstein, hawking and freidman combined. Christ, I could make a list like that from Bush's first week in office alone. At least gore was just the VP.

It would be interesting, if not so common, for criticism here to avoid any reference whatsoever to any part of the speech, and to instead repeat familiar media-programmed bromides. But thoughtlessness is the "ideal" that this administration leads America by and toward.

There was then, there is now and there would have been regardless of what Bush did, a threat of terrorism that we would have to deal with. But instead of making it better, he has made it infinitely worse. We are less safe because of his policies. He has created more anger and righteous indignation against us as Americans than any leader of our country in the 228 years of our existence as a nation -- because of his attitude of contempt for any person, institution or nation who disagrees with him.

A thinking person who does not agree with the speech could quote a portion of it as I just have, and then offer another viewpoint. If there are no such people participating, then this thread should rightfully be ignored. But regarding the issues Gore's speech highlighted, if the American majority continues to respond only superficially to warnings about profound changes in government and foreign relations, then we have far less to fear from terrorism than from tyrrany.

Until you "neoconservative"-tolerating drones stop supporting this insanity, I will continue flipping over the rubble and frightening you back under new rocks.

Come out, oh Bushevik Vanguard! Behold & Defend Your Leader's Actions. If you cannot do this with sufficient honesty- then prepare for a Uniting of Nations from a freaky dimension Wolfowitz should never have summoned. With fleeting pity, US assurance, reassurance, and economy will be hit very, very hard. And don't even get me started about what the Terrorists will do for historical-hysterical punctuation...

Here we have the most well-reasoned convictions displayed by the Busheviks. And even in the wake of Memorial Day, or in Memory of Wake Day, when we remember people who killed and were killed "for us" back when we still assumed that to the victor go the spoils. How glorious it was. But then we learned bitterly, that assymetrical warfare can bog down an empire rapidly and predictably. At least some of us learned this. Others have been blustering, promoting, participating in, and visualizing a war that is far out of place and time, and will yield no bounty, nor provide for increased security to the US. If allowed to continue on present tragectory, the blowback from present US foreign policy will exact devastating human and economic tolls, and leave America a shambles of her former political self.

Chickenhawks! Protofascists! I demand a response from you!

"you would think Dick and Bush would want to make Love, not War"

dont know who said it first, but its a Damn Good One-Liner !

Gore made a speach like this a year ago:
http://forum.zonabi.com/viewtopic.php?t=375

yes, he acts wierd sometimes, and who knows why.
we all act wierd sometimes.

id rather have a wierd president than a crazy one.

all these politicians are puppets, i thought you guys knew that already.

Oh! were to start?

I liked Gore's speech, hell a bit too late though. Wht's the frace, "too little too late" yea, that's the one. Were the hell was his anger and outrage when the Patriot Acts were becoming laws of the land? Who fights for the thousands of American born Arabs secretevely put away in our prisons? Hell it's becoming shity living here, and scary at the same time.
And why the hell would this president get a lawyer for "leak investigation" link:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9732059%5E1702,00.html

Why would he have to be cautious of?.

Godless.