Its easy to prove too. Since god is all knowing and all powerful I have no free will. As a result god is the one who controled me to write "God is a Moron". When I die I get sent to eternal hell for blasphmey because i said "God is a Moron". I get punished because of some whim of the superbeing. Now are these the actions of a rational creator?

Maybe god likes sending people to hell because he is a sadist. Or maybe god just did a little too much LSD or something. But now I'm going to go to hell because god made me write that. Whee. I have no free will, god is telling me to write yiff.
Yiff.

Neutrino_Albatross,

You will get sent to eternal hell for not believing in the moronic christian god (jesus...whatever), not for blasphemy.

The only unforgiveable "sin" apparently is blaspheming the holey spirit such as this:

The holy spirit is a moron, just like god and jesus......



Who or what the hell is a holy spirit anyway?

Christianity is just plain DUMB.

Master of Illusion,

Thank for clearing up what im supposed to be going to hell for it was worrying me alot. ;)

So, have I like, commited the one unforgivable sin by singing the words:

Father, Son and Holy Ghost
'Tis all sombody's unholy hoax

?

Ya know, considering who's going to be in heaven and who's going to be in hell... I'm kinda looking forward to hell.

Let's see:

Hell:

Einstein, Hendrix, Plato, Socates, John Lennon, Darwin, Sam Kinnison, Gandhi, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, Muhammad, Budda, and I'm just getting started here...

Let's compare:

Heaven:

Maybe one or two Popes
Some Priests (ones that didn't touch children) or get laid
Sone Nuns
A couple of Choir guys and gals
Sir Loone

I wonder where the party's gonna be?

~Raithere

"if there's a God who could simultaneously love us enough to serve us His own Son on a cross and send us all on a rocket-sled to hell just because one stupid bitch bit a bad apple..." "End of the Whole Mess" - Stephen King

Whooo! Party in hell! I'll bring music!

Notice how most of the smart people are supposedly going to hell. Could it have something to do with the fact that religion likes to supress science and knowledge (unless it is knowledge of god)? :rolleyes:

I would like to point out that I am not religious, but if I was, I would be offended by a lot of things sme of you have said.

I would like to note that your opinions are nothing but opinions, they are just as true and just as false as anyone else's opinion. Keep an open mind and listen to what others have to say, because they are as zealous about their opinions as you are about yours...

I consider myself an Agnostic... once, a Atheist friend and I decided to argue with some zealous Christians on the streets of Princeton...

After about an hour of disgussion, I realised that a Muslim will be proving to you vigorously the existance of Allah at the same time as the Christian will prove to you the truth of the Bible, just as I will violently gesture explaining why God cannot exist, and if there is a Superior Intelligence, religion and worship to it is not necessary.

How can you say your opinion is right, when a Muslim is as confident as you are that Allah is all-mighty, as a Christian is 100% certain that the Bible is the word of God...

Whaa? Offensive? We are just planning a kegger, for when we are all damned to hell.

woo wooo woo! Kegger!

Be nice, Mr.Agnostic, or we won't share our beer when you are burning with the rest of us. We will turn up our noses and say "I never knew you" :p

Oh, and it dosen't matter who says what, it simply matters what logic suggests. And logic suggests athiesm.

Gro$$, if three people with different beliefs each 100% believe they are right, that does not make any of them right. If one believes the world is flat, one believes it is square, and one believes it is shaped like a doughnut, none of them are right, regardless of how strong their beliefs are.

Some beliefs have a bit of reality to back them up. Some don't.

PROVE your belifs are right.

I am really quite sick of being looked down opon by athists (who jump up and down about christan intolerance. i think the scientific method is that a throry is valid untill disproven. So prove that there is no life after death.

Asguard, I never mentioned atheism. I discussed only logic.

.there can be no knowledge about god, only fatasies and assumptions.
Cheers!

[Xelious, did you check the PM Stryderunknown sent you, we need the response this Saturtday or warn if we need to wait a bit]

Actually it is possible to prove god dosen't exist. Since Ive already put this into the thread "God vs Heisenburg" i wont retype it here so you will just have to look it up for yourself if you want. :)

Also i think you're being unfair accusing us of being anti-christian we were just saying that hell sounds alot more fun. All my favorite people will be there, my friends will be there. If i get into heaven i wont know anyone. It'll be just a bunch of boring strangers. :(

Also i think you're being unfair accusing us of being anti-christian What the hell. I'm against myself:eek: :D. I'm ant-christian :rolleyes: :cool: :p LOL


HAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAA

Fine, We're all anti-christian sorry I apologized. It was a mistake. Never should have said anything. :(

I'm not anti-Christian. Some of my best friends are Christian. ;)

Asguard, I've explained this to you a bizillion times - athiesm has nothing to do with disproof and everything to do with logic.

Just read the first post in my 'Athiesm' thread.

And no, that is not at all the scientific method, in the scientific method, a theory is NOT valid until it is PROVEN.

And the scientific method hardly applies here.

Actually a theory can never be proven.

Here's how it actually works. A theory is proposed and it will make certain predictions about ho the world will behave in a certain situation. Experiments are then done and they will either support or overthrow the theory. If one experiment goes against the theory the theory is revised or discarded. If however the experiment supports the theory the theory is assumed to be true. Then new experiments are done, as long as they support the theory it is assumed to be true. By this system a theory can never be proven only disproven.

I think I'll enjoy hell.


Less religious people.


hahaha

I thought it was the oposite of that?

For example we can't prove that the Tasi Tiger is actually exsitint or that UFO's are not real. If we HAD a Tasi tiger then we WOULD know it was not exsint:bugeye:

I'm not anti-anything.

My best friends are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, and Jewish... I have a couple of friends that are Christian... Somehow I feel pressured around strongly religious Christians tho :-P

What I am trying to say is that my Buddhist friend has am just as much logic reason to believe in Buddha as you do to believe in whatever you believe in. He cannot see why the hell you dont understand his perfectly functioning logic... you can't see why his logic does not get the same results as yours....

Everyone's logic is based on how they were raised...

My way is to not try to understand others logical thinking, but to just accept it and accept mine, and not have to feel obligated to agree with them or have them agree with me.

don't want myself to get double misunderstood. I'm anti-religion not anti-people, if you could say so.

asguard,

Your right when your dealing with crap like UFO's but im talking about actual scientific theories.

Example: In the late 1800's most people belived that the speed of light changed due to a persons motion realative to it. Experiments were done that showed this was wrong, the theory was disproven. Than Einstein proosed the theory of relativity saying that the speed of light was constant for all observers. (among other things) This theory has been verified by all experimental evidence so far so it must be accepted as truth but it has not been proven.

I know its a bit confusing hope you got it.

I think i understand

just one question

why is the Tasmainan tiger crap?

Its a REAL animal

A marsupal that was thought to have died out but is now belived that there may still be some alive

I never said taz iger is crap just UFOs ;)

Assguard,

Who believes that there may be some tassie tigers still alive?

Lamers like you?

Do you believe that there are panthers roaming the victorian bush?

There is no evidence of any of this, other than hearsay from crackpots who can't be trusted.

The loch ness monster hasn't been sighted for a while either......

Its funny that you say that panthers could not be roaming the victorian bush, and that people are crackpots for thinking so. There is the evidence, you just have to look for it, and no not everyone who claims they saw one was a crackpot infact there was an incident in which a panther sized cat was spotted by teachers and school children near a school play ground. The animal is illusive and hard to find. Have you ever seen a couger in the in the wild???


As for the tasmainian tiger there may be some still living you can't say that there is or isn't for sure. You can denounce the idea in your head but you can't prove their nonexistence or existence.


ufos on the other hand they are quite different and terrestrial territory for me

some_guy01,

You said : Its funny that you say that panthers could not be roaming the victorian bush, and that people are crackpots for thinking so.

Where did I say that?? I said something about belief, not that there couldn't be any at all.

You said: There is the evidence, you just have to look for it, and no not everyone who claims they saw one was a crackpot infact there was an incident in which a panther sized cat was spotted by teachers and school children near a school play ground.

That is not evidence by itself. Which school? Any reference?

I haven't actually seen a cougar in the wild in Victoria.... surprised?

You go on to say As for the tasmainian tiger there may be some still living you can't say that there is or isn't for sure.

Again, where did I say that there aren't any alive? Please point this out to me. There is no evidence, that's all I said, and a reference to "lamers" who actually believe that there are some alive, despite no evidence at all.

ufos on the other hand they are quite different and terrestrial territory for me

What does this mean?

some_guy01, in future you'd be well advised to read posts more carefully before responding, to avoid further embarrassment.

master of illusion,

I took your comments as sarcasm and nothing more. From the way you presented yourself it sounded like you were riddiculing the ideas or possibilities. Im sorry i miss took those as being ignorant comments.
by the way my source was a show on dis. x creatures i believe it was



"ufos on the other hand they are quite different and terrestrial territory for me"

I apoligize this comment was poorly written and i even left out a couple of words. What I meant to say was " ufos on the other hand they are quite different and ARE NOT terrestrial territory for me

what i meant by this was that they are a different subject, and i really don't know anything about ufo's and all the conspiracy that goes with them

God Is A Moron. I Hate Christians Foremost, Second I Have No Respect For Islam. I Absolutely Hate This So Called Creator Who Created This Fucking Mess. I Can't Believe It. I Do Understand That God Must Be A Moron Because He Created So Many Of Them, They Outnumber Nonmorons At Least By 10 To 1. I Find This Perplexing And Puzzling At The Same Time Infuriating. The 'design' Itself Is Shitty And Quite Weak. No Wonder Morons And Assholes Are The Ones Who Love God The Most. Interesting But True

I once thought God was a moron also.
Then I realized I was talking about Him in a serious manner making me an even bigger moron.

That’s when I stopped talking about morons and with them in any serious manner.

Yoda:

PROVE your belifs are right.

I am really quite sick of being looked down opon by athists (who jump up and down about christan intolerance. i think the scientific method is that a throry is valid untill disproven. So prove that there is no life after death.

If you understood the scientific method you would know that it's "that a throry is invalid untill proven. Prove that there IS life after death.

Maybe this is why we look down on religious types. Atheists that I know have more knowledge of religion in gereral (by an order of magnitude) than most theists have of science and atheism.

I actually think that there is a 'God' of whom they speak. There is definitely a design to life and it prefers scum, that is why scum believe in 'God' so fervently.

Maybe this is why we look down on religious types. Atheists that I know have more knowledge of religion in gereral (by an order of magnitude) than most theists have of science and atheism.

Shit, I'd go farther, and say that most Atheists have more knowlege of religion in general than most theists have of religion. Theists take what they want, leave the rest, get comfortable and then look down on us for not getting what they get.

Yes, indeed.

Chances are, most theists don't have the level of education that most atheists do (with very narrow deffinitions of '(a)theism'). Religion offers a great explanation to a lot of things that people without an education just don't have any other way to explain. Science also tends to stay out of moral or ethical judgements, most of the time, as a hypothesis of ethics cannot be proven or disproven. But people seem to want ethical explanations and judgements abou thigns, and religion provides them that.

Marx, of all people, put it best:

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. "

Really? If the above is true then why are most "religious" people the antithesis of morality. They are usually the most morally corrupt and weak and like the fact that religion gives them passive condonement, absolution etc..bottomline scapegoating and no personal responsibility (jesus christ died for their sins, everyone is a sinner blah blah and very key here--this in real manifestation justifies the evil in the world, this is true). Concepts such as forgiveness are actually feeding into and recirculating evil and degenerate practices. It is not so black and white. There is something such as good and evil though it is not easily quantified. Evil intention is just that, for example. If someone has an evil motivation and intent of harm towards you, thats not merely "a hypothesis of ethics that cannot be proven or disproven." Reality must be blended with logic in order to arrive at the truth.

God (if the fucker exists) is like a bigger version of forrest gump ;)

God (if the fucker exists) is like a bigger version of forrest gump ;)


No, An unendearing, assinine moron if the fucker exists

No, An unendearing, assinine moron if the fucker exists

That too :) but the point i was making he (if the fucker exists) is a bumbling fucker making so much mistakes, but still coming out smelling like fucking roses.

That too :) but the point i was making he (if the fucker exists) is a bumbling fucker making so much mistakes, but still coming out smelling like fucking roses.

Oh hell yeah. The worst unqualified manager having no compunction of making others suffer horribly for his shitty agenda.

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. "

Really? If the above is true then why are most "religious" people the antithesis of morality... blah, blah, blah, I hate religion, blah, blah

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, what does the Marx quote have to do with morality?

Evil intention is just that, for example. If someone has an evil motivation and intent of harm towards you, thats not merely "a hypothesis of ethics that cannot be proven or disproven."

evil (adj)
1. Morally bad or wrong; (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

This is the only philosophically appropriate definition of the word. Someone's intent to harm you does not imply moral evil. In contrast, most moral views hold that harming those who are themselves evil is actually moral and good. This has little to do with logic, and even less to do with science, as none of it follows scientific method. Morality itself is a hypothesis that cannot be proven, so although everyone seems to have a moral stand, arguing it is rather pointless. And this is why I agree with superluminal:

If you understood the scientific method you would know that ... "a throry is invalid untill proven" ... Maybe this is why we look down on religious types.

The scientific method, as the only key to Truth, holds great moral value to most atheists (well, at least me). And because of many theist's stubborn disregard of it, I cannot help but look down on them as immoral barbarians.

Someone's intent to harm you does not imply moral evil. In contrast, most moral views hold that harming those who are themselves evil is actually moral and good. This has little to do with logic, and even less to do with science, as none of it follows scientific method

Unbelievable. You don't realize what absolute nonsense your reply was. Someone's intent to harm is moral evil! Those who intend to do harm are not necessarily out to harm evil and therefore it is morally good. There are those who are motivated to taint and harm good and for the sole purpose of that intention. Therefore my original point is true.

btw..using logic constructs to make a point has nothing to do with the truth. To disassociate the true nature of something by displacement through argument is deception. It is also a classic ploy by perpetrators, its called rationalization.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, what does the Marx quote have to do with morality?

Thats because you're one of those trendy, common, politically-correct, essentially worthless minds that believe they are thinkers but you're just a reflection of the times and the same crap that is regurgitated again and again. Do you believe you are progressive? I know you do. If you weren't so lazy to think beyond the immediate, it has everything to do with morality. Religion addresses integrally morality because of the lack of there is oppression and evil.

Someone's intent to harm you does not imply moral evil.

I have to seriously laugh at this because you think that you're revealing a misconception but you are actually reinforcing the age-old crap that causes all the shit in the world and the morons who perpetrate them. They love the room you give them to do the shit they know they like to do. You as well as them are the morons of the world. So I suppose if someone assfucked you out of hatred and an intent to dominate and hurt you does not imply moral evil. You are simply an idiot but its so common. You posted that as if you were intellectually superior. You are an I D I OT.

The scientific method, as the only key to Truth, holds great moral value to most atheists (well, at least me). And because of many theist's stubborn disregard of it, I cannot help but look down on them as immoral barbarians.

Your whole post contradicts itself as I knew it would end up doing. You contradict yourself because bottomline your argument is that there is NO morality and yet you say the truth holds great moral value yet you refuse to call a spade a spade, and what it actually is. Very similar to how a hypocritical priest would molest children and still shroud himself with a veil of morality. He will find ways to break things down to the point that the point is lost. You're reasoning is so blatantly erroneous and deceptive. It would be as ridiculous as if I were to murder you and let you decompose in my backyard into nothing and making the argument that I did not commit any murder against a "human being" because as it is clearly in evidence you are not a human being but just a complexity of atoms. Intent is real and it is not just merely a hypothesis. It contains within that intent morality or immorality whether it can be "proven" or not.

The reason there i soften argument about morals is that, morals as they are commonly defined are based on an erroneous scale that operates between good and evil. Good and evil are subjective, which makes commonly defined morals as subjective morals.

There are however objective morals that are inherant in all of us, but the scale these operate in is that of fear and love. If you judge between fear and love and call these your moral judgements you will find far more consistency.

The reason there i soften argument about morals is that, morals as they are commonly defined are based on an erroneous scale that operates between good and evil. Good and evil are subjective, which makes commonly defined morals as subjective morals.

There are however objective morals that are inherant in all of us, but the scale these operate in is that of fear and love. If you judge between fear and love and call these your moral judgements you will find far more consistency.

Actually they are not subjective. Because harm is harm and what brings harm is immoral. There are those who do not care if they harm others because their sole objective is gain at any cost and let someone else clean up the mess. There are those who live by moral codes and do not do this because they do not want to harm. This is actually not morally subjective, the individual's moral rationalizations maybe. Person A will rape and murder to gain from person C. Person B would not do so. Objective morals that you speak of that are based on fear and love is not objective at all. That right there is completely nonsensical. Fear and love are not moral principles, they are merely emotions. Thats a pathetic argument but the point you made is what perpetrators believe, that there is no moral objective and whatever they do is based on fear and love. Whatever they want they should have regardless of what the other may feel/think. Whatever quells their fear regardless of the means or damage to others/environment. This type of person is not operating on the same moral wavelength as someone who is empathetic or takes into account personal responsiblity not only for themselves but for others and their environment. Again, it is not just a subjective and equal moral decision. One is degenerative and one is progressive to society. They do not have the same effect. The point is morals being subjective or not is really not the point, how does it affect the world in which we live? We all live in this planet together because we have to and those who would be antisocial and prey on others do not have the same rights as those who do not simply because those who do not are the ones providing the majority of the priviledges, resources, and construct for a society to function. Should we let out all the murderers and rapists from prison because according to you morals are subjective so therefore they are not morally wrong? They operate from a purely narcissistic point of view and that is very degenerative to a healthy society and feeding that only makes the problem larger and creates more work for those who are givers. In your moral world then takers will always be takers and givers will always be givers. This is the true reality of what your moral views pose.

Actually they are not subjective. Because harm is harm and what brings harm is immoral. -nostromo00

You mistake your own morality for morality in general. And in that sense, you're no better than the theists you condemn so badly.

your wrong....

You are sooo going to HELL.

my wrong or his wrong? :)

Actually they are not subjective. Because harm is harm and what brings harm is immoral. .

A man breaks his leg playing sport, it was purely accidental. Is sport immoral? No, your method of judgement is wrong.


Objective morals that you speak of that are based on fear and love is not objective at all. That right there is completely nonsensical. Fear and love are not moral principles, they are merely emotions. Thats a pathetic argument but the point you made is what perpetrators believe, that there is no moral objective and whatever they do is based on fear and love. .

No, good and bad have to be taught to children, therEfore they are not inherent. Fear and love are emotions true - which also means they are inherent in all of us. Definitions of good and bad also vary from one society to another.


Whatever they want they should have regardless of what the other may feel/think. Whatever quells their fear regardless of the means or damage to others/environment. This type of person is not operating on the same moral wavelength as someone who is empathetic or takes into account personal responsiblity not only for themselves but for others and their environment. .

Your are not thinking this through properly. People justify destroying the environment because it is for a greater good. People justify war beacuse they are fighting on the side of good.

Listen to what you are saying above. A person does BAD because it quells their FEAR. A person does GOOD because of empathy which stems from LOVE. But do not mistake these as synonomous because good and bad can veer away from love and fear drastically.

Again, it is not just a subjective and equal moral decision. .

I am not saying it is subjective - you are, because good and bad is subjective.


In your moral world then takers will always be takers and givers will always be givers. This is the true reality of what your moral views pose.


Think through what I am saying properly. To make moral judgments do this.

Think :
Are your actions in any way motivated by fear or love?
Will your actions in any way cause others to feel fear or love?
Are others actions in any way motivated by fear or love?
Will others actions in any way cause you / others to feel fear or love?

Remember all attack and hatred is motivated from fear (Nearly all phsycologists would now agree with this).
All empathy, compassion, charity and helpfulness are motivated but love.

If you avoid doing things that cause or motivate fear - you cannot harm others, and this is not subjective. But you can justify harm by judgements of good and bad.

Your example of rapists and murderers; Do you think they cause fear or love? Well there is your moral judgement then.

It is true that sometimes there are many different actions of fear and love acting in a given situation, but if you weigh a blance of fear and love and come down on the side of most love, you will judge correctly.

What The Hell Is Wrong With You Guys?!!! Obviously All Of You Had No Parents Otherwise You Would Have Understood That To Have Parents Is To Have God. Have Some Love - Man. You And I Are Equal Beings On This Planet And We All Try Our Best To Survive In It.!!!!.

I Wonder If All You Disenchanted People Out There Are Comfortable With Your Lives. Wake Up And Smell The Roses. Grow Up And Stop Blaming God For Your Problems.

When Worse Comes To Worse, Honey, Remember Only God Will Cover Your Back - I Wouldn't.

Get A Life And Stop Dissing The Creator!!! :) :) :)

Jadon:

What The Hell Is Wrong With You Guys?!!! Obviously All Of You Had No Parents Otherwise You Would Have Understood That To Have Parents Is To Have God. Have Some Love - Man. You And I Are Equal Beings On This Planet And We All Try Our Best To Survive In It.!!!!.

Yes, I Can Confirm That I Was Hatched From A Cloned Egg-Human Hybrid. And What Is With The CAPS On Each Word? It's Very Hard To Type This Way... And Hard To Read As The Normal Clues We Use For Smooth Reading To Detect The Beginning And Ends Of (this is tiring) Sentences Are Missing. (whew...).

Oh, And Let Me Tell You Something!!

Satan Is Real And You Don't Wanna Mess With Him!!!

Be Careful What You Wish For Cause They Just Might Come True!!!! :) :)

Jadon,

The creator does not exist. God is not a moron, because there is no god. If there was though, and the earth was evidence of its works, then I think moron is a pretty mild accusation. I would say absolutely fucked up, incompetent, evil, irresponsible, stupid, reprehensible, bastard spawn of a whore, universal shitwad.

Be Careful What You Wish For Cause They Just Might Come True!!!!

I want 5 million dollars, with all supporting documentation of it's authenticity and porper ownership by me, to appear in my bank account. Tomorrow if possible. Thanks.

A Cloned Egg Human-Hybrid! Do you really think that the way you came into this world can be explained away by some scientific (biological) words. Shame on you!!! Perhaps you need to procreate and when you carry your newborn child in your arms, write back to me.
You certainly will have a different view on life. :) :)

Oh!!! Seems like I have insulted someone. And whats with the swear words? You might burst a blood vessel if you dont learn to control your temper.

Listen, your 5 million dollars - it a'int happening!
Theres 5 million children in Africa that need that money more.

Think of them, concentrate, meditate!!!! :) :)

Ha!

How old are you my boy? I have a lovely wife of 20 years and three beautiful daughters at various stages of life. Why don't you ask yourself how such a person can be so callous toward the foolish idea of a creator?

You might burst a blood vessel if you dont learn to control your temper.

Temper?

Im sitting quietly at my computer, peacefully enjoying this little chat. What about you?

Okay, my Bad!! Just dont get your Blood Pressure too high. We wouldn't want that, would we?

I've got a lecture to go to so can you mail me the addresses of your beautiful daughters( if they're real!). I want to save them from you!!! Honestly!!

SEE YOU TOMORROW. :cool: :cool:

Hilarious.

...god is the one who controled me to write "God is a Moron". What makes you think that God controlled you to write that? Simply because God is all knowing and all powerful does not mean that you have no free-will. I would suggest that you wrote that through your own free-will, and that you will not go to hell just for writing that, but that you will go to hell for your other thoughts and actions. Interestingly though you have raised the question of free-will, and it's opponent determinism. If there is no such thing as free-will then it should be impossible to stop someones actions, within reason, which it virtually is. So, we do have a free-will then, I would say.

Darkman, are you there?

You are correct when you say that there is free will!!!

The Creator gives us the freedom of choice to do whatever we want to do. But at the same time he instilled in us something called Conscience. This means Independance. So, if someone commits something that Society calls a crime, that person has to blame himself - he's Conscience allowed him to do it-- NOT THE CREATOR!!!!.

I guess it may be difficult for mankind to stop the practise of blaming others for their irresponsibilities. After all, it was our Forefather -- Adam-- who started it all!!!!!! :) :)

Hey Jadon,

If I build a $1,000,000 robot and set it about its complex pre-programmed tasks, but purposely install a subroutine that kicks in randomly that lets the robot go on a killing rampage and then I smash the robot with a sledgehammer because I'm so pissed at the robot, how smart is that? What does that say about the robots creator?

Can't wait to hear your answer.

Superluminal,

The Scriptures say that the words of men are like the blind leading the blind. Leads only to Destruction and Peril!!

I thought you had some scientific background?!!

Can't wait for my reply?

Okay,
Number 1. - you presume yourself to be able to create a robot equal to you,
the chances of that is virtually zero, whether now or in the
future.
Number 2. - Mathematically, I have a 95% chance of seeng the Second
Coming
Number 3. - Mathematically, there is a 99.9% chance that everything
stated in the Scriptures is True

See where your words are taking you???!!!

Ok. Can someone please read the last posts that lead to Jadons answer above?

Ok. Now can someone tell me why this is not worse than being forced to listen to Vogon poetry? Please? Before I'm forced to rip out my own small intestine and throttle myself with it.

Jadon,

Would you mind telling me how old you are?

Number 2. - Mathematically, I have a 95% chance of seeng the Second
Coming
Number 3. - Mathematically, there is a 99.9% chance that everything
stated in the Scriptures is TrueWe're going to need to see your work on these.

~Raithere

Is there any intelligible content in Jadons last post?

Am I causing Confusion?

If I am, then I am serving my purpose - to bring chaos and disorder to the little enemies of GOD!!!!

Wow..

I just took a look at Jadon's post history. Very impressive.

Jadon:

Am I causing Confusion?

If I am, then I am serving my purpose - to bring chaos and disorder to the little enemies of GOD!!!!

I thought you were supposed to be saving us with love and tolerance?

Sinner.

You are going to HELL!!!

Raithere,

The facts that you want is something you will have to search for yourself.

Treat this like a Scientific Experiment - it will take you about a year to get your findings. Understand, I'm not discouraging you, I'm saying that the Scriptures took over 3000 years to write.

The clues are in the Scriptures. Its something like The X Files theme - The Truth Is Out There. You are Mulder, but instead of looking for something thats not there ( Aliens ), you will search for THE TRUTH - THE GOD THAT CREATED YOU!!!!

Jadon,

You're also a coward. Can't you clearly explain why god would allow his own creations to become unstable and commit sin and then punish them for it?

Jadon,

Are you a student?

If I am, then I am serving my purpose - to bring chaos and disorder to the little enemies of GOD!!!!

Can't god defend himself? Is he that weak? And would an almighty creator choose someone as dense as you to be his servant?

Superluminous,

Causing confusion is not a Sin. It is like a little pat on the back to lead Lost Ones back to the Fold!!!! :)

Jadon,

Quit putting three or more !!! behind every sentence you write.

Jadon,

God has been scientiffically proven to be a moron. Read the scriptures and see for yourself!!!

Superluminous,

Think of me as a Bright Light. The reason why you cannot understand my words is because you have been in the Dark for too long. Just as you cannot See directly into the Light, so shall you not "SEE" the message in my words.

But do not fret!! Eventually, you will get used to the Light-- and THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!! :cool: :cool:

Jadon,

I understand your suffering. I can help you to see the LIGHT of TRUTH and escape from the bonds of religion. Open your mind and let the light of the TRUTH of atheism flood in.

Considering atheism is not a belief system, it certainly is curious to hear of a theist being persuaded to "let the light of the TRUTH of atheism flood in."

Hm.

"Curiouser and curiouser"

Just wait until I start spouting bible verses in defence of the one true religion of atheism.

Superluminal,

Interesting that you use the word - defence, but let me tell you something, when the Armies of the Creator comes marching, the best defense you can have is 'the walls of Jericho'. - Jadon

We all know what happened to that!!!

Jadon:

Superluminal,

Interesting that you use the word - defence, but let me tell you something, when the Armies of the Creator comes marching, the best defense you can have is 'the walls of Jericho'. - Jadon

We all know what happened to that!!!

We sure do! Golly Gee Jadon! Do you think that might happen to us? I mean, gosh! I wouldn't want that to happen to me! If a rock from a wall that got yelled at fell on my head I could be hurt real bad!

When the armies of god come marching will they have machine guns Jadon? Can I get one and help mow down the heathens too?! I want to march right along with Jesus and throw holy hand grenades into the crowds of un-believers!

Gee Jadon, you got me all excited now! I'm gonna go masturbate to Jesus and dream of being his ass puppy when we celebrate our slaughter of the heathens after judgement day! Gosh! My pee-pee is already gettin hard thinkin about it. Thanks Jadon!

Superluminal,

Are you writing to impress me? Cause I get the feeling that all the graphic language youre using is just to score Chicks off the net (your private fantasy?)

Oh and dont describe your privates like it was a Monkeys.

Come on Bro! be proud of your manhood and keep any references about it where it rightfully belongs - in the Secret Cabinet.

Jadon,

How old are you?

The facts that you want is something you will have to search for yourself.I guess that means you cannot show us your work.
Did you pull those odds out of thin air then?

Treat this like a Scientific Experiment - it will take you about a year to get your findings. Understand, I'm not discouraging you, I'm saying that the Scriptures took over 3000 years to write.I've spent over 20 years studying the scriptures. I'm unlikely to find some striking revelation at this point.

The clues are in the Scriptures. Its something like The X Files theme - The Truth Is Out There. You are Mulder, but instead of looking for something thats not there ( Aliens ), you will search for THE TRUTH - THE GOD THAT CREATED YOU!!!!What I've found is an expression of mans' need for hope, comfort, safety, and purpose. It's a response to feeling alone, impotent and unprotected from the ravages of the world. It's a response to a depth of loss nothing can alleviate. I certainly understand it. I just don't believe it.

~Raithere

Oh God that's good... "the Secret Cabinet". Thanks dude. Keep it coming!

Jadon:

Are you writing to impress me? Cause I get the feeling that all the graphic language youre using is just to score Chicks off the net (your private fantasy?)

Jadon,

Well... yes I was if you must know. I was hoping to turn you on so we could, you know... hook up for phone sex?

My one daughter thinks you sound hot.

Raithere,

When someone says he has been studying the Scriptures for 20 years, that means studying the Scriptures according to someone else's Point of View. Either that or he is downright lying.

Now you wouldn't be fibbing now,would you. Be a good boy and follow my Instructions. Trust me, if you do it now you will see the Truth!

Trust in the Light!!!

Superluminal,

It is Un-Christian for a Dad to be involved in his daughters romantic feelings.

Be a good man and mail her contact to me!

When someone says he has been studying the Scriptures for 20 years, that means studying the Scriptures according to someone else's Point of View. Either that or he is downright lying.

Now you wouldn't be fibbing now,would you. Be a good boy and follow my Instructions. Trust me, if you do it now you will see the Truth!What purpose would I have in lying?

I am 38. I was indoctrinated into the Christian religion around the age of 13. Shortly thereafter I started asking questions of my given religion and found the answers unsatisfying. I have read several different versions of the Bible cover to cover. I attended several theology classes in college and participated in discussion and debate. I have studied other religions. I've read the non-canonical gospels and other Biblical texts. I've studied Church and Christian history. I've researched extensively various passages and themes. And I've discussed and debated religion here for the last three years. I know the Bible better than most Christian I meet.

No magical light of revelation ever struck me even though I spent a good number of years trying to satisfy a desire to believe. Instead I found quite the reverse. The more I studied religion the more unanswered questions I had until I finally realized that the only truths therein are entirely human truths. Written by man for what is perceived to be the benefit of man.

Truthfully,

~Raithere

Jadon:

Superluminal,

It is Un-Christian for a Dad to be involved in his daughters romantic feelings.

Be a good man and mail her contact to me!

Jadon my boy. You won't be getting anything of the sort. And that's an interesting statement you made.

Don't christians forbid their daughters to marry non-christians? Isn't that being a bit involved in your daughters romantic feelings?

And by the way, asking a Dad to give out his daughters contact info makes you sound like a creepy pervert of some kind. Please don't ask again or I will get your IP address, find your ISP, and track you down. Ok?

Superluminal, haven't you heard of something called Christian Innocence!!

But look, I'm not the one doing the Name-Calling.

Who's the Little Kid Now? na, na, na, na, na.

What?

Oh right. "Christian Innocence". Like priests with their favorite altar boys. I get it.

Because you claim to be a christian you must be good and innocent. Right.

Superluminal,

Sometimes when a "sheep" says he is a "sheep", then he is a "SHEEP".

Admit it!

You don't really think I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing, do you?!

Beginning to like me man? Well thats the kind of effect Christians have on Lost Ones.

Superluminal,

What you should have said was Homosexual Men becoming Priests. The Scriptures are clear - No Homosexual Is A Christian.

We wouldn't want a recurrence of Sodom and Gomorrah, would we?

Beginning to like me man? Well thats the kind of effect Christians have on Lost Ones.

Jadon,

Whether I like a person or not has nothing to do with their religion unless they are obnoxious about it, as are you (no offense). I feel more tolerant toward you since I am convinced that you are just a kid (young adult?) on a long learning curve about religion and life.

Again, that's why I asked your age so often. For anyone of your age many things are new and you have a long way to go before you settle your mind.

An older adult with your religious zealotry however is a different story. Something to be dealt with in a completely different way since they are the primary vectors of this mind disease we call religion.

We wouldn't want a recurrence of Sodom and Gomorrah, would we?
speak for yourself, pup.

Jadon,

Are you a homophobe? I mean, by definition? Because god says you should be?

Ya know, considering who's going to be in heaven and who's going to be in hell... I'm kinda looking forward to hell.

Let's see:

Hell:

Einstein, Hendrix, Plato, Socates, John Lennon, Darwin, Sam Kinnison, Gandhi, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, Muhammad, Budda, and I'm just getting started here...

Let's compare:

Heaven:

Maybe one or two Popes
Some Priests (ones that didn't touch children) or get laid
Sone Nuns
A couple of Choir guys and gals
Sir Loone

I wonder where the party's gonna be?

~Raithere

"if there's a God who could simultaneously love us enough to serve us His own Son on a cross and send us all on a rocket-sled to hell just because one stupid bitch bit a bad apple..." "End of the Whole Mess" - Stephen King

Raithere,
Don't be daft.

Jan.

Raithere,
Don't be daft.

Jan.That post is 3 years old. It's a bit late for commentary.

~Raithere

Jadon,

Are you a homophobe? I mean, by definition? Because god says you should be?

Most Christians are, aren't they?

Yes. I'm interested in hearing it from the horses mouth.

Superluminal,

Does Jadon sound like someone else we know? Give it a good guess in a PM, and then I will PM you back and tell you who I think it is. :D

Most Christians are, aren't they?

Most definitely! Glad to be back in the same forum with you Yorda!! Missed you!!

Jadon to Superluminal: "What you should have said was Homosexual Men becoming Priests. The Scriptures are clear - No Homosexual Is A Christian."
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M*W: You're not only wrong, you're stupid. There have been many homosexual men attracted to the priesthood, but the predator priests were pedophiles. That shouldn't come as a surprise to you since you think you're so knowledgeable about Christianity. After all, the Essenes, which Jesus was allegedly a member, practiced homosexual and heterosexual rituals like the partaking of each other's semen and/or menstrual blood to ensure the spirit of god dwelled within them. From these rituals evolved the Eucharist or Holy Communion, "the body and the blood." Further, there are caninbalistic and vampiristic overtones in this type worship of bodily fluids. You need to do some serious reading in biblical anthropology. You can start here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html

http://essenes.net.maninewman.html

Now everyone will enjoy this one:

http://biblicalresearchinstitute.com/sex_secrets.htm.
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Jadon: "We wouldn't want a recurrence of Sodom and Gomorrah, would we?"
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M*W: The story about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about homosexuality at all. It's about the sin of breaching sacred hospitality. The story of S&G was addressed by three prominent biblical figures -- Ezekiel, Luke and Jesus. The story was NOT about homosexuality as Christians have attributed to it, it's about inhospitality and failure to care for the poor.

Professor and Minister, Dr. Peter Gomes, states: "To suggest that Sodom and Gomorrah is about homosexual sex is an analysis of about as much worth as suggesting that the story of Jonah and the whale is a treatise on fishing."

The story was written about 1400 BCE. S&G were allegedly located at the southwest end of the Dead Sea. It was called the "Dead Sea" due to it's high salinity. Sodom got its name Har Sedom (Mount Sodom) which had absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. The story had equally as many sexually licentious woman as men.

One theory is that S&G sat over an oil source that exploded and "sodiumized" the towns. There are other theories, however, like an asteroid hit or a nuclear explosion occurred. It is clearly expressed in the bible that Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt. Christians tend to overlook Lot's offering of his two virgin daughters to the rowdy crowd so they'd leave his visitors alone. And you never hear a Christian talk negatively about the behavior of Lot's incestuous daughters.

You sound as if you've been thoroughly brainwashed by your false religion.

MW,

Links two and three don't work for me.

Here's the third one, fixed:

http://biblicalresearchinstitute.com/sex_secrets.html

Still can't get to the second one.

Well i'm a betting woman , which as i understand it , that would be a sin of sorts, and my money is riding on the idea that there is no hell. it is a part of a fairytale made to scare impressionable minds into the churches. but i will say that if i'm wrong i will be honored to share an eternal hell with the people i love the most. and hell will probably incude most of the worldly things that i enjoy so i pressume i won't be to bored. and isn't it nice that we can all be there together.

I think I'll enjoy hell.


Less religious people.


hahaha
Take into consideration that you may not enjoy hell as much as you think, why, most of those religous biggots that we all love so are some of the bigger sinners and will most definetly be sent straight to hell as well, just to punish the rest of us proud sinners, and ruin our party

superluminal: Links two and three don't work for me.

Here's the third one, fixed:

http://biblicalresearchinstitute.com/sex_secrets.html

Still can't get to the second one.
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M*W: Maybe I copied them wrong. Try:

http://essenes.net/maninewman.html

The following URL seems to work for me:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html

Regarding the topic of Essene sexual rituals, the book entitled:

The Dead Seas Scrolls and the Christian Myth, by John Marco Allegro, comes highly recommended according to the reviews. I'm going to go out and buy this one.

I found a couple of other related sites that may be of interest:

http://lgcm.org/uk/html/jmebible.htm

and:

http://www.piney.com/AgapeSummary.html

It always amazes me that xians know so little about the Bible!

Thanks!

It always amazes me that xians know so little about the Bible!

It always amazes me how little people know about the world "and" themselves.

Thread title: "God is a Moron"
Wait, how is this this news? :p

Hapsburg, is that supposed to be funny.Ill start a thread where God told me to rape your mom, whip her till her skin pours red, break her spinal cord and brand her with the word whore on her forehead and then bury her alive. Can you imagine that your mom being buried alive with no one to help from suffocating slowly, you think the message of this thread was funny and with a point see if me doing the above is funny and has a point.

Kovacs:

Hapsburg, is that supposed to be funny.Ill start a thread where God told me to rape your mom, whip her till her skin pours red, break her spinal cord and brand her with the word whore on her forehead and then bury her alive. Can you imagine that your mom being buried alive with no one to help from suffocating slowly, you think the message of this thread was funny and with a point see if me doing the above is funny and has a point.

Yes, you are ready! I can feel your hatred! Let your hatred fill you! Join the Dark Side, and together we can rule the galaxy!

Damn, I keep doing that...

Hey Kovacs,

Are you a christian? I sure hope so!

Im educating to become a priest, so i guess thats what you can call me.

Im educating to become a priest

That's an oxymoron. How does one educate themselves from fantasies.

i guess thats what you can call me

Since you've decided to make a career of spreading ignorance and propagating lies, there may one or two other names we could call you, too.

kovacs: if your joining the priesthood, god help them. (pun intended)
hapsberg, can flame any fantasy figure, all he likes. if he wants to say god is made of shit, he can, if he wants to say god is the pus in a gangrene injury, he can.
you however (for a christian that is) can not, as you are flaming a real person.

Maybe god likes sending people to hell because he is a sadist. Or maybe god just did a little too much LSD or something. But now I'm going to go to hell because god made me write that. Whee. I have no free will, god is telling me to write yiff.
Yiff.
Maybe iit is because god just doesnt like people anymore, maybe hes fed up pfhis new toys

If i beleived in i god i rekon id think him a moron

Hey Guys and Gals,

Just came back from a Christian Retreat Camp.It is a place where Christians get to focus and try not to blame themselves for the Rise in Evil and Embittered people on this Wonderful Place we call Earth!! :)

So I will soon be replying to the comments made at me and at Christianity.

Stick around!!!!

Superluminal and Yorda,

No, I am Not a Homophobe!! Homosexuals are human beings, and I have no right to critisize or judge them. Being Homosexuals is just what they are. Now I have my own reasons for thinking how they became such persons, but I hope that as Human Beings they will understand the error of their ways and turn to The Light.

But really as a Christian, a Homosexual is no different from a Heterosexual, a rapist, a thief, or a Liar - they all fall into one Category -SIN.

So who am I to Judge?!!!

Medicine Woman,

Is this in reference to Dr Quinne - Medicine Woman?

Speaking as a Christian, please understand that the Scriptures does not say Paedophilia. The Creator says, that if anyone likes to have sex with the same person and is involved in such an act, then that person is a Homosexual. If it is with an innocent child or with an innocent adult, if it is of the same sex, then it is Homosexuality.

Paedophilia, is a word introduced by Man to avoid Legal Confusion. (If you prefer to separate the two acts, it really does not matter - the choice is yours) - Sin is Sin and Retribution is two fold - by Man and by The Creator.

As for suggestion that The Christ was an Essene, you are right when you say that it is just a suspicion (I forget the exact word you used). You have done some research, unfortunately you failed to mention that the research is based on commonly known theories of Atheist Theologians and Academics. As such, they have to have something to believe in, something to say, the name of their god is - NO GOD.

These people are empty and when they say that The Christ was an Essene, they are really "clutching at straws". The documents they claim to have based such statements on are "heresays" - I use this word because such documents do not pass the Authenticity Test, so these misled ones have to rely on their wild Imaginations.

The messiah was never part of a Cult (the Devil wishes so), there is no "fairy tale" story. I assure you there will be no - "everyone lived happily ever after" - ending when The Messiah returns. Quite the Contrary, there will be great sadness for sad individuals like you because thats what you will always be - a sad individual.

When Apostle Paul was commenting on SIN, he specifically stated that all sins can be forgiven, except to sin against The Holy Spirit. You have done exactly that - THERE IS NO MORE HOPE FOR YOU.

But I do hope you will find your "Byron", one day.

Jadon: Medicine Woman, Is this in reference to Dr Quinne - Medicine Woman?
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M*W: No, dumb ass. I've never even watched that show. I'm a medical practitioner.
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Jadon: Speaking as a Christian, please understand that the Scriptures does not say Paedophilia. The Creator says, that if anyone likes to have sex with the same person and is involved in such an act, then that person is a Homosexual. If it is with an innocent child or with an innocent adult, if it is of the same sex, then it is Homosexuality.
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M*W: No, you're wrong. Many parts of scripture have been taken out of context by fanatical xians like you. Raping a child isn't called 'homosexuality,' it's called 'pedophilia.' Raping a woman isn't called 'homosexuality,' it's called 'rape.' Consensual sex between an unmarried male and female is called 'adultery' and/or 'fornication.' Only when two consenting males have sexual relations is it called 'homosexuality.' When two males have anal intercourse, it's called 'sodomy.' When a male has anal intercourse with a woman, it's also called 'sodomy.' When anal intercourse is forced on a woman by a man, it's called 'rape by sodomy.' Homosexuality can include mouth-to-penis contact, anal intercourse, kissing and other foreplay. When these same acts are done by a consenting male and female, it is heterosexual behavior, but it can also be considered as fornication, especially to the religious minded.

In the Greco-Roman times, and well into Mesopotamia, men having sexual relations with young boys was considered the norm. Some of them may have been eunechized for such purposes, even among the Essenes and Jesus' disciples. Paul, himself, was considered to be homosexual. There is an occasion that Paul wrote about Jesus sleeping with another man.

Sex started being considered evil when the KJV was distributed among xians around 1611. Before that, the Inquisition was started by two German priests who said that all women were evil because their powerful sexuality corrupted men. Nine million women died because of men's false beliefs in sex.
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Jadon: Paedophilia, is a word introduced by Man to avoid Legal Confusion. (If you prefer to separate the two acts, it really does not matter - the choice is yours) - Sin is Sin and Retribution is two fold - by Man and by The Creator.
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M*W: The origination of the word 'paedophilia' had nothing to do with legalities. The word means one who has "a sexual desire for children." Child-rape hasn't always been a crime. Any sexual activity with children is considered to be rape (pedophilia) today, including when minors indulge in sexual activity.
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Jadon: As for suggestion that The Christ was an Essene, you are right when you say that it is just a suspicion (I forget the exact word you used).
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M*W: It's a well-documented myth.
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Jadon: You have done some research, unfortunately you failed to mention that the research is based on commonly known theories of Atheist Theologians and Academics. As such, they have to have something to believe in, something to say, the name of their god is - NO GOD.
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M*W: I have done a lot of research, most of which was done when I was a xian. Since I've become an atheist, I don't have that same drive to study religion.
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Jadon: These people are empty and when they say that The Christ was an Essene, they are really "clutching at straws". The documents they claim to have based such statements on are "heresays" - I use this word because such documents do not pass the Authenticity Test, so these misled ones have to rely on their wild Imaginations.
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M*W: What exactly is the "Authenticity Test." Do you not realize that everything Paul was attributed to have written was taken from earlier dying demigod myths? He wasn't talking about a real person! It's all myth!
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Jadon: The messiah was never part of a Cult (the Devil wishes so), there is no "fairy tale" story. I assure you there will be no - "everyone lived happily ever after" - ending when The Messiah returns. Quite the Contrary, there will be great sadness for sad individuals like you because thats what you will always be - a sad individual.
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M*W: Well, Jesus is a little late by about 2000 years. You need to do your own research. You don't know anything about Jesus or those around him. Paul never knew Jesus. He created the myth of xianity.
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Jadon: When Apostle Paul was commenting on SIN, he specifically stated that all sins can be forgiven, except to sin against The Holy Spirit. You have done exactly that - THERE IS NO MORE HOPE FOR YOU.
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M*W: Like I would care anything about what Paul might have said! I don't need to look for any fairy tale character to save my ass.
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Jadon: But I do hope you will find your "Byron", one day.
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M*W: Can you explain what you are implying here. I don't know anyone named "Byron."

Just came back from a Christian Retreat Camp.It is a place where Christians get to focus how the hell do christians focus, their minds are all cluttered with fantasy and delusion, thats like trying to focus an eye, thats blind.and try not to blame themselves for the Rise in Evil and Embittered people on this Wonderful Place we call Earth!! :) but they should, christianity has caused more deaths, then anything else.

Superluminal and Yorda,

No, I am Not a Homophobe!! Homosexuals are human beings, and I have no right to critisize or judge them. Being Homosexuals is just what they are. Now I have my own reasons for thinking how they became such persons, but I hope that as Human Beings they will understand the error of their ways and turn to The Light.so you want them to become atheist.But really as a Christian, a Homosexual is no different from a Heterosexual, a rapist, a thief, or a Liar - they all fall into one Category -SIN. So who am I to Judge?!!! you just did, moron.
only the religious sin.

Jadon, you are a homophobe. Just go ask people who are homosexual.

Homosexuals are human beings, and I have no right to critisize or judge them.

Then why are you doing it? :rolleyes:

Medicine Woman,

You seem to have some issues concerning Homosexuality. Are you a Homosexual Female (Lesbian)?
It's okay, my child, you can do whatever you want with your life!!. Like I said, YOU HAVE NO MORE HOPE. Enjoy your time here on Earth, because it is all you have left.

I am truly sorry I cannot help you.

All those info you mentioned are based on suppositions!! You can bet who came up with them!! Homosexuals trying to rewrite History and deprive REAL MEN OF THEIR PAST ACHIEVEMENTS.

As for Byron, ask one of your friends (if you really have any!!) :) :)

Medicine Woman.

Also, in no Translations of The Holy Scriptures, is the word paedophilia found.

You are a Demonist, there is no use trying to deny it (pretending to be an atheist- it is amazing how no one seen this!!! Superluminal? Yorda? )

However if you take the time to search the devils book (I dont know what you Demonists call it), I suspect you will not find lack of references to it.

You presume to be able to understand Paul - I wonder, are these your own original thinking or are they the thoughts of your master!!!!

Tell me, is it true that you and your type engage in sexual orgies. Do you use Condoms? I advise you that you do use condoms, in case you catch something.

Yorda,

I believe the word Homophobe means the fear of homosexuals. Did I not explain clearly that I considered such ones as human beings nonetheless?

The Sriptures clearly state that we should not fear any man rather we should fear The Creator who can destroy both Body and Spirit.!!!!

Once again, I hope that such misled souls will return to the Fold.

Jadon: Medicine Woman, You seem to have some issues concerning Homosexuality. Are you a Homosexual Female (Lesbian)?
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M*W: It doesn't matter what my sexuality is, the issue I have concerning homosexuals is seeing that they are given equal rights under the law.
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Jadon: It's okay, my child, you can do whatever you want with your life!!
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M*W: And I've done just that.
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Jadon: Like I said, YOU HAVE NO MORE HOPE. Enjoy your time here on Earth, because it is all you have left.
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M*W: I've got plenty of hope, you fool! I've had one fantastic life, and I've accomplished a lot. BTW, who are you to tell me I "have no more hope?" You don't know me. You don't know what I've done in my life. You don't know who I'm related to. You let your religion do your thinking for you. It is YOU WHO HAVE NO MORE HOPE!
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Jadon: I am truly sorry I cannot help you.
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M*W: Did I ask for your help? No, I didn't. I don't need your kind of help. I'm lucky I was able to break away from the evils of xianity.
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Jadon: All those info you mentioned are based on suppositions!! You can bet who came up with them!!
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M*W: No, they are based in fact. Because you believe in supernatural fantasies, you wouldn't recognize the truth if it slapped you silly.
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Jadon: Homosexuals trying to rewrite History and deprive REAL MEN OF THEIR PAST ACHIEVEMENTS.
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M*W: How would homosexuals "rewriting history" deprive "real men of their past achievements?" You're a goddamn homophobe. You need to get fucked real hard in the ass. Those "real men from the past" are who created this society. It needs to be changed, and the truth needs to be heard. Whether you like it or not, your ignorance reeks with every word you write. The Founding Fathers of America weren't xian, but they were Freemasons. You need to learn some history.
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Jadon: As for Byron, ask one of your friends (if you really have any!!) :) :)
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M*W: I asked my friends, but they don't know him either. Are you on drugs or something? Or are you not from the USA? I've never heard this expression before. Is it your church lingo?

Medicine Woman,

You are right when you refer to the Founding Fathers of America as FreeMason.
Since your mind is so shallow however, you could not see that I was referring to time more then 1000 years ago.

And you really think that human culture and behaviour could have been sculpted less then 300 years ago? Oly now are we seeing Demonists like you forcing your beliefs on the rest of the world when a small child can see that what you and people like you believe in is a Fairy-Tale.

And once again, all human beings are creations of the True God, so regardless of what kind of Sinful activity they are involved in, they are still human beings and must be treated as such - This a Christian Teaching - Surprise!!!!

But for Demonists like you, human subjectivity should be one of your main agendas and your kind will indeed "flourish" in these end times.

I am looking forward to meeting my Maker when He comes in the Final Days.!!!

The question is, are you ready to meet yours- THE DEVIL???

Jadon:

I am looking forward to meeting my Maker when He comes in the Final Days.!!!

The question is, are you ready to meet yours- THE DEVIL???

What? Lucifer (AKA the Devil) can creat life too? What? Huh?

Medicine Woman,

And please stop pre-supposing your Intelligence to be greater then what it actually is.

There has been no true Genius in this world - Scientific or otherwise - for a long time now.

Superluminal,

Atheists are actually worshippers of the devil, and technically, they 'profess' their maker to be the devil. By refusing to worship the True God, they let themselves be counted as one of the devils.

Call it whatever you want. To me, the devil is the devil.

I believe the word Homophobe means the fear of homosexuals.

Fear often breeds hatred. The word also means hatred for homosexuals.

homophobe

n : a person who hates or fears homosexual people

www.dictionary.com

The Sriptures clearly state that we should not fear any man rather we should fear The Creator who can destroy both Body and Spirit.!!!!

Rather, fear your own ignorance.

You are no better than the people who you're talking to here, and you definitely don't seem like a Christian! A Christian should try to follow Christ (to be like Christ) Truly, by your behaviour, you are defiling the holy name of Christ. But this is what the Christ foresaw...

He also said:

"They honor me with their lips but their hearts are far away from me." (Jesaja)

Yorda,

Ignorence is that you have not been able to see or understand what I have been saying, and I can confidently say that it is people like you - stickers for the particulars - who are the very ones that go around taking the lives or destroying the lives of such misled ones.

Jadon:

Superluminal,

Atheists are actually worshippers of the devil, and technically, they 'profess' their maker to be the devil. By refusing to worship the True God, they let themselves be counted as one of the devils.

Call it whatever you want. To me, the devil is the devil.

Jadon, you are an ass. And stupid.

Are we worshippers of the devil? Do atheists really say this?

Or are we just counted among devil worshippers because we "refuse to worship god"?

Which is it Jadon? God, I'm getting tired of stupid theists (Ha! I made a joke!)

Yorda,

Firstly, I was accused of being a Homophobe, I believe it was by you? And then when I try and plainly or clearly state that I am not, you keep on accusing me of this Lie.

What is the problem? I will not recant my statement that homosexuality is a sin because it is, but that does not mean that I will Shun such lost souls. On the contrary, what they do with their lives is their business, I could not care less.

But I still hope that they will realise the errors of their ways.

And by the way, The Christ and I are like Brothers, and I would not dare Blaspheme his name.

Superluminal,

When Atheists refuse to believe in The Creator, they automatically shift their allegiance to the devil. If you did not know this well then, I AM TELLING YOU NOW.

When our Forefather Adam disobeyed, he comitted the Great Sin - LIE. But did you know what was more dissapointing to the Creator - the fact that Adam was a downright COWARD, and couldn't take responsibility for his Actions.

Superluminal, every human being has to choose. Either you are for The Creator or you are fo the devil.

OR you can pretend to choose the other option( your own making)- sitting on the Fence, which in Scripture Talk means a Born and Bred Down to the devil COWARD!!!

The Scriptures are Clear -- If you be not for me, then you are against me.

This just highlights the stupidity of theists and Jadon in particular.

Jadon: THERE IS NO GOD or DEVIL! I AM TELLING YOU NOW!

You are a COWARD for relying on a fairytale with no viable evidence to support it. Your precious scriptures are ancient fairytales for children. You are giving your one and only life over to the intellectual sewer of religion. Think of all you will miss out on. Nothing less than the intellectual opening of the universe!

Repent, and you can start masturbating right away! Guilt free!

the fact that Adam was a downright COWARD, and couldn't take responsibility for his Actions.

Well, it was God's fault, he made him a coward.

Yorda and Superluminal,

The Creator did not make Adam a COWARD any more then your parents made you both COWARDS.

I see that Superluminals primitive instincts are getting too strong for him. Once again, he is talking about masturbation.

Comeon Yorda, don't be selfish !! Share some bananas with him, or he'll resort to playing with himself again.

Oh and Superluminal, you needn't worry!!. If you do become a BABOON again, I'll take on some of your Daddy responsibilty.

Would you like my address?? (show this to your friends!!)

Jadon.

Are you afraid?

Jadon,

Do you not think it is a LIE and a SIN to knowingly misrepresent something?

Superluminal,

As in what you doing this very day? Every word that falls from your mouth condemns you.

"you are like your father, the devil, who try to distort The Truth, thinking yourself greater then The ONE who gave you life" - The Christ

IN SIMPLE WORDS, HE GAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN HIS WORLD AND THEN YOU THOUGHT YOURSELF FIT TO TELL (NOT EVEN SUGGEST) HIM THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER.

Reality: After the Second Coming, I will be honoured to be taught by The Creator himself and learn the True Science behind Everything.

As for you? You will be nothing.

Jadon,

That was pretty simplistically stupid (there's that word again). Do you have any ability to defend your faith? You are failing miserably. I think god will be displeased with you.

So, why do you lie? Do you think god wants you to lie to defend him?

Repent, and you can start masturbating right away! Guilt free!

LMAO.

I know I did. :m:

Superluminal,

I don't have to defend my Faith! Thats the difference between you and Me. I KNOW I AM RIGHT - 100%.

You have to defend yourself because you are not even sure of yourself.

All you have are "borrowed 'wise' words". Forever true to your evolutionary thinking, you are just displaying some of your ape-like ancestral traits.

Had your bananas?

Jadon,

Superluminal,

I don't have to defend my Faith! Thats the difference between you and Me. I KNOW I AM RIGHT - 100%.

You have to defend yourself because you are not even sure of yourself.

All you have are "borrowed 'wise' words". Forever true to your evolutionary thinking, you are just displaying some of your ape-like ancestral traits.

Had your bananas?

Once again, LMFAO!

You fool!

Yes you DO have to defend your faith!

Apologetics is the practice of defending the Christian faith against those who raise objections to its validity. We are commanded to be apologists (those who defend the faith) in 1 Pet. 3:15 - ". . . always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you. . . "

You are COMMANDED to do so by your bible! You fool you! How are you going to make it into Jesus' good graces if you don't even know what god wants you to do?

And how long are you going to embarrass youself with the monkey/banana thing? I love bananas!

Jadon:

All you have are "borrowed 'wise' words".

And you have...?

Superluminal,

I have more then you -- words from The Scriptures penned more then 2000 years ago, plus the words of Great Men of history who Professed to The Truth, and acknowledged the existence of The Creator.

M*W: I think byron is jadons new jesus, just like david koresh was.

and jadon I have great books, penned by men of wisdom older than yours easops fables, a thousand and one nights, and then theres the vegas, and the qu'ran, why do you think yours is better.

You left the M out. The thread title should be "God is a Mormon!"

brutus: what are you reading from the book of morons, oops omited an M.

Yes Jadon, I'm here now, and I agree. Adam was the one who started it all, and He was created by God. It's sad when people deny their own free will and try to blame God for their troubles, as you said. :(

Superluminal,

When Atheists refuse to believe in The Creator, they automatically shift their allegiance to the devil. If you did not know this well then, I AM TELLING YOU NOW.

I know you can't be that stupid, Jan (oops, Jadon). We all know that this is what you want to believe so that you can feel "good" about yourself. I've been like you. Do you even remember when you sold yourself out? Can you even recognize the fact that you have?


When our Forefather Adam disobeyed, he comitted the Great Sin - LIE. But did you know what was more dissapointing to the Creator - the fact that Adam was a downright COWARD, and couldn't take responsibility for his Actions.

Why would your all-powerful god be disappointed, water (oops, Jadon)?

Superluminal, every human being has to choose. Either you are for The Creator or you are fo the devil.


Then, according to your delusion, I am for the devil and perhaps nothing you can say will change this, so bug off. Show me some proof, and not just emotional baggage, and I might change my mind. Give it your best shot, or you might just be letting one of god's children slip away.

OR you can pretend to choose the other option( your own making)- sitting on the Fence, which in Scripture Talk means a Born and Bred Down to the devil COWARD!!!


I think it takes more of a coward to be you, moop. Anyway, we are all cowards to some degree. If you don't think you are, you really are deluded, and you must really think yourself better than what God supposedly created all by himself. Are you better than Adam, moron?


The Scriptures are Clear -- If you be not for me, then you are against me. So be it, now fuck off.

lol @ Jadon and Superluminal's bickering. :D However I have to side with Jadon, because I agree with his posts!!!

darkman: why do you thing adams to blame, when god wanted evil in the world.

darkman: why do you thing adams to blame, when god wanted evil in the world.
How could we have free will without the choice to do evil? God did not want evil, but wanted us to have the choice. We chose to have it!

How could we have free will without the choice to do evil? God did not want evil, but wanted us to have the choice. We chose to have it!

I didn't! Speak for yourself. Sins of the father visited upon the son, by the way, is the stupidest, most moronic thing I've ever heard of, so don't say it. That son does not have free will does he?

I didn't! Speak for yourself. Sins of the father visited upon the son, by the way, is the stupidest, most moronic thing I've ever heard of, so don't say it. That son does not have free will does he?
I'm sorry, but once the human race received the knowledge of good and evil, there's no going back. I didn't want it either, but what can we do. We know right and wrong and are now accountable. So, I have the choice to do right or wrong. I, the son of Adam, have the choice. Just because dad screwed up, doesn't mean I have to.

The Creator did not make Adam a COWARD any more then your parents made you both COWARDS.

My parents didn't create me, since they are also created by God. An effect can't be the cause of another effect. So humans can't be blamed. And in my version of "God", he can't be blamed either.

You left the M out. The thread title should be "God is a Mormon!"

You think God needs a religion?

God did not want evil, but wanted us to have the choice. We chose to have it!

Not "we", it was Adam... although he didn't choose it, he made a mistake because God made him imperfect.

Jadon,

I'd really like you to address the "defense of your faith" thing. You said you didn't have to, and the bible says you do. And we know that Jadon LIVES the scriptures. You posted it yourself.

So what gives?

Not "we", it was Adam... although he didn't choose it, he made a mistake because God made him imperfect.


Human kind went against God for the first time. The consequences were knowledge of good and evil. Because the consequences affect human kind, it was human kind's choice, not just Adam's. Adam was made in the image of God, perfect in every way. We chose to take on imperfection, which is the struggle to be perfect.

Human kind went against God for the first time.

You still don't get it, do you...

It wasn't our FAULT that we went against God. We didn't WANT to go against him (because no one wants to suffer)

It was just a mistake, because of our childlike understanding (which God gave us)

Human kind went against God for the first time. humankind did not go against god, they had no knowledge of wrong or right did they.
god wanted evil The consequences were knowledge of good and evil. Because the consequences affect human kind, it was human kind's choice, not just Adam's. no gods choice Adam was made in the image of God, perfect in every way. We chose to take on imperfection, which is the struggle to be perfect.can you explain to me how adam chose to be imperfect as you put, when he had no knowledge of good or evil, perfection or imperfect(vanity), how was he doing wrong, god brought evil into the world it's what he wanted.

Geeser, assuming of course, that God exists.

well god does'nt, that's a certain truth, (however some will argue we cant be sure, which must be given credence, I personal am 99.999999999999999999999% ad infinitum sure no god exists) no need to assume anything, we'll leave the assumptions to the religious.
however the argument cant be posed unless it's included.
anyway the arguement leads to that inevitable conclusion.
it rebuts the idea of original sin.

You still don't get it, do you...

It wasn't our FAULT that we went against God. We didn't WANT to go against him (because no one wants to suffer)

It was just a mistake, because of our childlike understanding (which God gave us)

If we didn't want to against him, why did we take the fruit?

Yes, it was a mistake because of our childlike understanding. But, God warned us, so the burden of guilt is on us. It's like me telling you don't use that salt shaker because the lid cannot be screwed on tight. And you, wanting salt badly, take it anway and it spills out onto your meal, ruining it.

humankind did not go against god, they had no knowledge of wrong or right did they.
god wanted evil can you explain to me how adam chose to be imperfect as you put, when he had no knowledge of good or evil, perfection or imperfect(vanity), how was he doing wrong, god brought evil into the world it's what he wanted.

God said that if you eat the fruit, you will surely die. God put the choice for us to do evil, but evil had not entered. Evil is rebellion against God. Rebellion is disobedience to an authority. There was no evil until Adam disobeyed. That act was evil, and thus was born evil from our action, not God's. In this sense, I'm not sure if the fruit itself was evil at all. In performing the action they learned what it meant to be evil (which is rebellion against God). Then God cursed all parties involved, thus ending man's paradise until the second coming.

well god does'nt, that's a certain truth, (however some will argue we cant be sure, which must be given credence, I personal am 99.999999999999999999999% ad infinitum sure no god exists) no need to assume anything, we'll leave the assumptions to the religious.
however the argument cant be posed unless it's included.
anyway the arguement leads to that inevitable conclusion.
it rebuts the idea of original sin.

My mind and logic tell me that the chances of no God are > 99% <100%. My experiences of God make me have hope. With my life defying the odds, I look back and can see there was a guiding force bringing me to God. So, I have faith because I have got this far through impossibilities, all the while towards God. God was faithful to me, even when I didn't have faith in him. It's like you know that that candy bar is not good for you, but you indulge anyway.

Belief in God is irrational behavior based upon experiences that involve the five senses, as well as emotion. It is as logical as dancing.

If we didn't want to against him, why did we take the fruit?

Yes, it was a mistake because of our childlike understanding. But, God warned us, so the burden of guilt is on us. It's like me telling you don't use that salt shaker because the lid cannot be screwed on tight. And you, wanting salt badly, take it anway and it spills out onto your meal, ruining it.

I know God is like nature, but if there really was a loving God, I wish he hadn't created the world or the garden of Eden, or us, or the tree of knowledge, because I didn't want to eat the fruit. But there is no loving God, there is just nature.

if i would have been god I wouldn't have created the tree of knowledge or the fruits or humans.

i don't want the ability to choose. god why didn't you let me choose if i want to have the free will to choose? why didn't you let me choose if i want to choose? i don't want free will. i want to be like a stone, or like a tree. unconscious. peace.

therefore there is no god.

God said that if you eat the fruit, you will surely die. I will pose a question and give you the answer, so you can better understand your god.
could you have a two way conversation with a one year old child, or a chimpanzee, a dog, or even a lion?
no of course not, for they have no understanding of good or evil, or much else for that matter.
therefore they could not understand what god said or what the implication would be, he could just as easy said stop picking your nose, it had about as much meaning.God put the choice for us to do evil, but evil had not entered. Evil is rebellion against God. Rebellion is disobedience to an authority. explain how adam and eve could do evil without having any knowledge of good or evil. There was no evil until Adam disobeyed. exactly, thay would not of known of evil before they ate of the fruit That act was evil, how is that possible if they had no knowledge of good or evil, only god would know it was evil as he wanted it that way. and thus was born evil from our action, not God's. thus was born evil from gods actions, not ours.
it's a very simple logic, quite easy to grasp. In this sense, I'm not sure if the fruit itself was evil at all. In performing the action they learned what it meant to be evilexactly, your getting it, learned being the operative word. (which is rebellion against God). explain how this could be, if they had no knowledge of good and evil before thay ate the fruit. ie no good thoughts or no bad thoughts, they could not do bad deeds or good deeds before thay ate of the fruit, could they.
therefore the only conclusion you can make is, there could not be any original sin, so god must of wanted evil in the world.

My mind and logic ?tell me that the chances of no God are > 99% <100%. I confused, I thought you believed in god, I quote "tell me that the chances of no God are (more than)> 99% (less then)<100%". exactly what I said. My experiences of God make me have hope. With my life defying the odds, I look back and can see there was a guiding force bringing me to God. So, I have faith good for you. because I have got this far through impossibilities,you got this far because of your own strength's, have more believe in yourself. all the while towards God. God was faithful to me, you were the only real person faithful to you. Belief in God is irrational behavior thats a definite. based upon experiences that involve the five senses,not possible, a god is a subjective thought, (supernatural/spiritual,) as such cannot interact with any of the five senses, it only takes one instant of a thing to prove it exists. It is as logical as dancing. how, dancing can be down in reality with a real person.
it's can only be illogical, as your dancing with an imaginary friend.

The one thing I know is that a story was and is told of a man named Jesus Christ. It was said that he performed miracles and that he was the only way to an afterlife. Fact or fiction, I would rather believe in everything the Jesus said and find out that I was wrong, than to not believe in Jesus Christ and find out that I was wrong. What is truth anway? Every truth is temporary with science and logic. The day Columbus crossed the ocean without falling off the edge, man's truth about the world changed. Then, the world was round. Science says there is no God. In the end, what is the truth?

When we Christians argue about God's existence and the meaning of the scriptures, we limit God. We attempt to explain the unexplainable. Who would want a God that we could figure out, examine, label, and measure? What would we be if we could scientifically prove God's existence? Would we not be God's ourselves?

God's truth is evident for those that irrationally hope that there is purpose behind the choatic nature of the world because they seem to work together more than apart. What is random and a scientific mystery is proof of the living God, as cheesy as it sounds. Our personal truths are biased toward ideas and experiences we gather throughout this life, so everyone follows something. Whether it's Isaac Asimov, Thomas Eddison, Albert Einstien, or Jesus Christ. We all follow the beliefs of someone else. No truth is the truth permanently with science. At this point, no one can scientifically prove the existence or the non-existence of God. Evidence points both ways, but it is all circumstantial.

As for me, a life of complete rationality is a dull one. If everything was explainable, life might be easier, but the wonder of it all would be dead. Remember, if there is a God, we can choose to believe or not, but God is anyway.

jayleew: The one thing I know is that a story was and is told of a man named Jesus Christ. It was said that he performed miracles and that he was the only way to an afterlife.
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M*W: You're correct. It is just a "story." In that "story," the main character named "Jesus" did many wonderous feats that the other fictional "characters" were said to have witnessed and then wrote about their own stories. In the end, the "hero" saves the day. This is a very common theme in literature.
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jayleew: Fact or fiction, I would rather believe in everything the Jesus said and find out that I was wrong, than to not believe in Jesus Christ and find out that I was wrong.
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M*W: The character "Jesus" never wrote anything. None of the stories ever written about "Jesus" indicated that he wrote anything as even part of the main story. I would rather believe that everything Mark Twain wrote was factual, than to find out I was wrong and his literary heroes were just fictional.
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jayleew: What is truth anway? Every truth is temporary with science and logic. The day Columbus crossed the ocean without falling off the edge, man's truth about the world changed. Then, the world was round. Science says there is no God. In the end, what is the truth?
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M*W: There is no god.
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jayleew: When we Christians argue about God's existence and the meaning of the scriptures, we limit God. We attempt to explain the unexplainable. Who would want a God that we could figure out, examine, label, and measure? What would we be if we could scientifically prove God's existence? Would we not be God's ourselves?
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M*W: I didn't think Christians