How would atheists like that God would introduce Himself to nonbelievers of atheists ?

I really would like to see some suggestions.:)

How would atheists like that God would introduce Himself to nonbelievers of atheists ?
Nonbelievers of atheists?
There are people that don't believe in atheists? :eek:

It's a very silly question to ask an atheist "How would you like god to introduce himself to you?".
The answer is, of course, "Who?".
If we assumed that god could introduce himself then we would have to believe he existed. And then we wouldn't be atheists. :rolleyes:

Hi I am God , Glad to meet you . Your perfect now change

How would atheists like that God would introduce Himself to nonbelievers of atheists ?

I really would like to see some suggestions.:)

He could instantly put something huge on some planet nearby that we've never been on, something unmistakably non human or non-alien, with a God message, a true miracle, and perhaps it would also predict the future exactly, and whatever else. Unfortunately, all we have so far are invisibles.

"Hello ath... nevermind"

There are some people on Sciforums who don't believe in atheists. I guess they are a-atheists.

There are some people on Sciforums who don't believe in atheists. I guess they are a-atheists.

These religion threads seem to sprout like weeds. Is it that belief takes such an emotional hold that atheists seem impossible?

Eventually religion will go away... Unfortunately not in my lifetime...

Is it that belief takes such an emotional hold that atheists seem impossible?
Maybe.
Or maybe it's just that atheists can just be impossible;). At times.


There are some people on Sciforums who don't believe in atheists. I guess they are a-atheists.
so would a person who doesn't believe in people who don't believe in the genuineness of atheism...would they be a-a-atheists?

Does that then mean these people have to jumpstart stranded motorists?

so would a person who doesn't believe in people who don't believe in the genuineness of atheism...would they be a-a-atheists?
I can't believe you actually asked that.
But then again I'm a leading aChimpkinist. :p

Atheists don't believe in gods, not just god.
Defining atheists using one's personal interpretation of the unified god system is only going to yield more of the same conversation.
"God" is a force that puts life on planets throughout the universe, no belief required.
You want to see god? Your standing in it.

"God" is a force that puts life on planets throughout the universe, no belief required.
Oops. Someone else attempting to redefine "god".
If god is a force how do we measure it?
What units are used? Angels (standard SI abbreviation An)?
What's that in mks?

Atheists don't believe in gods, not just god.
Defining atheists using one's personal interpretation of the unified god system is only going to yield more of the same conversation.
"God" is a force that puts life on planets throughout the universe, no belief required.
You want to see god? Your standing in it.

Not really.

Oops. Someone else attempting to redefine "god".
If god is a force how do we measure it?
What units are used? Angels (standard SI abbreviation An)?
What's that in mks?

In Mlk 's not mks . Do I have to explain every think. The Mlk designation . Martin Luther King Jr. was the last one . He had a dream and that dream was equal rights . Continuation of the fight for freedom . The never ending battle of the human race . Freedom from tyranny. Nelson Mandela might be one . The Mandela part qualifies Him as a Mlk I believe. Yeah I am sure he is one even though he don't have a k the Mandela has god quality connotations in the name

Do I have to explain every think.
That's grammatically incorrect.
It should be Do I have to explain every thought?


Martin Luther King Jr. was the last one
The last one? Of what?


Nelson Mandela might be one
One what?


The Mandela part qualifies Him as a Mlk I believe. Yeah I am sure he is one even though he don't have a k the Mandela has god quality connotations in the name
:rolleyes:

A big bellowing voice from the sky that said "Rav, you fucking idiot, why do you deny me?". After that I would want to see undeniable miracles that many other people witnessed as well. I think that would probably do it. Anything less and I probably wouldn't believe it was God.

There are many biblical precedents for this, so I'm not really asking for special treatment.

Eventually religion will go away... Unfortunately not in my lifetime...

Eventually religion will go away... Unfortunately not in my lifetime...




Gamaliel ( high Jewish priest ) said 2000 years ago about Christians , Nazarens " if it is from God it will remain if is not from God it will vanish away "

So here we are 2000 years later , So our faith have survived . What is your opinion on that. ?

He could instantly put something huge on some planet nearby that we've never been on, something unmistakably non human or non-alien, with a God message, a true miracle, and perhaps it would also predict the future exactly, and whatever else. Unfortunately, all we have so far are invisibles.


We have scanned the moon , and Mars and we have a hell of time to identify things. If he sends a comet we will get scared because it it will kill us . S I think let it be as it is.:)

Nonbelievers of atheists?
There are people that don't believe in atheists? :eek:

It's a very silly question to ask an atheist "How would you like god to introduce himself to you?".
The answer is, of course, "Who?".
If we assumed that god could introduce himself then we would have to believe he existed. And then we wouldn't be atheists. :rolleyes:



By now I have learned some thing about you . You jest want to take the opposite side in a discussion .
You well know the significance of the word atheist.

[QUOTE=Rav;2720337]A big bellowing voice from the sky that said "Rav, you fucking idiot, why do you deny me?". After that I would want to see undeniable miracles that many other people witnessed as well. I think that would probably do it. Anything less and I probably wouldn't believe it was God.



If he does all those things to you then you will be a god to him , and not him to you.
In other words you don't have a reasonable answer :)

By now I have learned some thing about you . You jest want to take the opposite side in a discussion .
In other words you haven't learned anything about me at all. What you've done is decide what you think about me.


You well know the significance of the word atheist.
Correct.
Someone who doesn't believe in god.
Which is the point I addressed. Or were you too busy deciding how you view to me to notice that?

[QUOTE=Dywyddyr;2720510]In other words you haven't learned anything about me at all. What you've done is decide what you think about me.




You must be a woman . You have the last word , just like my wife , so thank:)

You must be a woman . You have the last word , just like my wife , so thank:)
And another assumption.
I note you haven't actually replied to my point, just kept it personal... :rolleyes:

And another assumption.
I note you haven't actually replied to my point, just kept it personal... :rolleyes:



Sorry what was your point ?

Post #2...

If he does all those things to you then you will be a god to him , and not him to you.

God spoke to Moses, and through Moses he performed some pretty incredible miracles that a bunch of other people were witness to. Thus we can conclude that Moses was a God.

Just out of curiosity, what religion do you practice? It sounds rather interesting.


In other words you don't have a reasonable answer :)

So your plan was to call for individual responses and then declare them invalid?

How would atheists like that God would introduce Himself to nonbelievers or atheists ?

By making theists perfect.
By doing away with falsity that happens under the guise of religion and theism.
By making sure that everyone who talks about God, indeed talks about God, and isn't lying or in delusion.

Of course, not that I myself could see for myself if and when such would happen, so the above is simply a fantasy ...

I can't quite think of a way in which I would like that God would introduce Himself to me ... We are talking about the Supreme Personality of Godhead and this isn't someone for whom a mere human could set terms.

Signal, you would first have to eliminate original sin!

Nonbelievers of atheists?
There are people that don't believe in atheists? :eek:

It's a very silly question to ask an atheist ------ not a question
"How would you like god to introduce himself to you?".
Answer ; I have experienced prophetic materialization and some prophetic materialization written in the bible

The answer is, of course, "Who?". --- I don't understand this part

If we assumed that god could introduce himself then we would have to believe he existed. And then we wouldn't be atheists. :rolleyes:

Since the atheist rejects the existence of God, so I don't see the point why introduce to him self. He have many believers, and the atheist can stay away , as he wants.
If a person is interested in some one say God then you must seek to find him:)

How would atheists like that God would introduce Himself to nonbelievers of atheists ?

I really would like to see some suggestions.:)

It's a significant philosopical/theological issue:

What kind of experience would justify a person in saying that he or she had encountered... a god?

It's what I think of as the 'Independence Day Problem'. The reference is to the 1990's alien-invasion movie in which stupendous 15 mile wide flying saucers appear in the sky above earth's major cities.

Just because something amazing and inexplicable and totally beyond our experience appears in the sky, just because the light-show is absolutely glorious, doesn't necessarily imply that what's manifesting is a suitable object for human religious worship.

In philosophical terms, another aspect of the problem might be stated this way: What possible finite experience could justify our belief that we had experienced an infinite being?

Or alternatively (but not synonymously) what natural experience could justify our belief that we had experienced a supernatural being? Or perhaps stated in more Kantian-inspired terms, what phenomenal experience could justify our belief that we had experienced a transcendental object?

The suitability for worship question seems to be a separate and distinct issue from all of that, unless we assume that infinite, supernatural and/or transcendental objects are automatically objects to be worshipped. That would appear to require some argument.

Ultimately, it seems to me that if a god exists and if that god has any interest in my believing in him (why would a god even care?), then the god would probably have to will me to believe in him. That seems easy enough to do for a being capable of creating entire universes with a word.

But epistemologically speaking, I don't know that any possible experience would convince me.

Since the atheist rejects the existence of God, so I don't see the point why introduce to him self. He have many believers, and the atheist can stay away , as he wants.
If a person is interested in some one say God then you must seek to find him:)
Sounds reasonable to me.
So why did you ask the question in the first place?

Signal, you would first have to eliminate original sin!

I don't see the relevance of this?

By making theists perfect.
By doing away with falsity that happens under the guise of religion and theism.
First I believe religion is man made , God give commandment to recognize the Creator and have respect for his creation which includes me and you.
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By making sure that everyone who talks about God, indeed talks about God, and isn't lying or in delusion.
That is human attitude for not following the commandments.
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Of course, not that I myself could see for myself if and when such would happen, so the above is simply a fantasy ...

I can't quite think of a way in which I would like that God would introduce Himself to me .
God is spirit and he introduce himself through the spirit of man

.. We are talking about the Supreme Personality of Godhead and this isn't someone for whom a mere human could set terms.:)

The spirit of God is among man.

I don't see the relevance of this?

Religion can't be perfect if humans aren't perfect.

Sounds reasonable to me.
So why did you ask the question in the first place?



people say there is no God , because they cannot see Him. So for me the so called logical question was . "How do you want He introduce Himself"

Religion can't be perfect if humans aren't perfect.

Then the question is - what is a perfect human?

A fantasy.

@ Yaracuy
You're arguing against yourself.
This is not rational.

But epistemologically speaking, I don't know that any possible experience would convince me.

Same here.

The only reasons for believing in God that seem valid to me are the philosophical or moral ones. But believing in things for such reasons seems so artificial!

@ Yaracuy
You're arguing against yourself.
This is not rational.


What is your analysis ? that you come to such conclusion ?:)

You asked the original question.
And then you gave a perfectly valid reason for not asking it. (Post 29)
And THEN repeated the question in a later post.

You asked the original question.
And then you gave a perfectly valid reason for not asking it. (Post 29)
And THEN repeated the question in a later post.


Good by Berne.:)

"God" is a force that puts life on planets throughout the universe, no belief required.

Oops. Someone else attempting to redefine "god".
If god is a force how do we measure it?
What units are used? Angels (standard SI abbreviation An)?
What's that in mks?

It is just ordinary matter and energy distributing itself through out the universe, ordinary units of mass and energy apply.

It is just ordinary matter and energy distributing itself through out the universe, ordinary units of mass and energy apply.
In other words you are redefining "god".

Please show that there is a "force" that puts life on planets throughout the universe. Or even just on Earth to keep it simple.

A fantasy.

can you come up with a logical argument for this answer?

In other words you are redefining "god".

Please show that there is a "force" . Or even just on Earth to keep it simple.

What do you consider what we have on the earth? We have life which is unique. It is a manifestation of Intelligence , matter without intelligent force will be just a rock which will be weathered by the air

What do you consider what we have on the earth? We have life which is unique.
Unique?
Possibly. Depending on what exactly you mean by unique.


It is a manifestation of Intelligence , matter without intelligent force will be just a rock which will be weathered by the air
Supposition.

And doesn't address the question anyway, other than to use a circular argument.

[QUOTE=Plant Life;2721177]"God" is a force that puts life on planets throughout the universe, no belief required.



Can you measure your love for your children ? What units do you use , :mad:

Was that actually meant to be addressed to me?

There are some people on Sciforums who don't believe in atheists. I guess they are a-atheists.
I don't believe in atheist so I guess I am one of those A- Team players you talk of Sidey. You see I learned something that puts humility in Me . Want to know ? I will tell you anyway. Human Intelligence is " shuuush--- Don't want to let the cat out---- not the center of the universe

[QUOTE=Plant Life;2721177]"God" is a force that puts life on planets throughout the universe, no belief required.



Can you measure your love for your children ? What units do you use , :mad:

I think you can , or more that I can measure your love of your child by your interaction with your child , so you all better stop telling your children they are bad . They are a reflection of the things you keep hidden. And That ain't no bullshit . Being a carpenter and builder has given this insight to Me . The kids like Me . I fight for there right to be human . They are little yous . Mini Me's

I don't believe in atheist
Hello, I'm one. You can start believing now.


Want to know ? I will tell you anyway. Human Intelligence is " shuuush--- Don't want to let the cat out---- not the center of the universe
How do you know?

I don't believe in atheist so I guess I am one of those A- Team players you talk of Sidey. You see I learned something that puts humility in Me . Want to know ? I will tell you anyway. Human Intelligence is " shuuush--- Don't want to let the cat out---- not the center of the universe
Not yet maybe.


can you come up with a logical argument for this answer?

I believe I did in another thread. Humans can never be perfect thanks to evolution. Variation in our gene pool is our strength, and it means that a certain percentage of people will not be ideally suited to the present environment, always. Add to that the pace of our technological advancement due to intelligence, and it creates a constantly changing environment.

I believe I did in another thread. Humans can never be perfect thanks to evolution. Variation in our gene pool is our strength, and it means that a certain percentage of people will not be ideally suited to the present environment, always. Add to that the pace of our technological advancement due to intelligence, and it creates a constantly changing environment.

it doesn't seem to me like anyone is ideally suited to the present environment which makes me question your premise. wouldn't it be better if instead of no one being ideally suited, everyone was ideally suited? if everyone was ideally suited to a perfect environment, then wouldn't that make us perfect humans?

it doesn't seem to me like anyone is ideally suited to the present environment which makes me question your premise. wouldn't it be better if instead of no one being ideally suited, everyone was ideally suited? if everyone was ideally suited to a perfect environment, then wouldn't that make us perfect humans?
Everything changes... Change is the only constant.

Under your scenario, when the environment changes and we are no longer ideally suited, we all die.

it doesn't seem to me like anyone is ideally suited to the present environment which makes me question your premise. wouldn't it be better if instead of no one being ideally suited, everyone was ideally suited? if everyone was ideally suited to a perfect environment, then wouldn't that make us perfect humans?

I'm sure there are some people who seem to have a charmed life, who fit their time and place more or less perfectly.

If everyone was ideally suited, then when things change, and change is inevitable, we would all die. I do think that in a relatively stable environment, most animals would be well adapted, but these are not the conditions in which humans find themselves, probably and paradoxically due to our success.

I'm sure there are some people who seem to have a charmed life, who fit their time and place more or less perfectly.

If everyone was ideally suited, then when things change, and change is inevitable, we would all die. I do think that in a relatively stable environment, most animals would be well adapted, but these are not the conditions in which humans find themselves, probably and paradoxically due to our success.

is it success then?

Good question.

Everything changes... Change is the only constant.

Under your scenario, when the environment changes and we are no longer ideally suited, we all die.

what kind of change?

also this idea of perfection, or being ideally suited, doesn't have to imply that everyone is exactly the same.

what kind of change?

also this idea of perfection, or being ideally suited, doesn't have to imply that everyone is exactly the same.
I believe the current buzzword is "Climate Change".

How would atheists like that God would introduce Himself to nonbelievers of atheists ?

He should descend from the heavens in the form of a bearded human man. He should preach peace and tolerance and love of thy enemy. Then he should get nailed to a cross and crucified to death. Thats should do it....

I believe the current buzzword is "Climate Change".

long time buzzword is "apocalypse".

it seems like circumstance would factor into survival as much as genetics. i mean, i don't care how weird your genes are, when it comes to catastrophies like tsunami's, failing economies, war, famine, nuclear bombs and such, you're not likely to survive unless you happen to be in a right place at a right time.

long time buzzword is "apocalypse".

it seems like circumstance would factor into survival as much as genetics. i mean, i don't care how weird your genes are, when it comes to catastrophies like tsunami's, failing economies, war, famine, nuclear bombs and such, you're not likely to survive unless you happen to be in a right place at a right time.
Well, duh. Thank you Captain Obvious!

But what does that have to do with anything?

Well, duh. Thank you Captain Obvious!

But what does that have to do with anything?

well, from what i've heard the effects of "climate change" are catastrophic so i'm not sure if i understand how genetics are relevant.

Religion can't be perfect if humans aren't perfect.

that is beautiful Sidey . Does that mean the more perfect humans become the more god like they become or the more perfect religions become. Or should I say "belief systems of humans become" since people are moving away from organized religion

He should descend from the heavens in the form of a bearded human man. He should preach peace and tolerance and love of thy enemy. Then he should get nailed to a cross and crucified to death. Thats should do it....
Na the nailed to the cross thing has been done all ready by the fool Jesus. Spidergoat wouldn't like that I don't think?

There are a lot of places barren of life in the universe (what if there was life everywhere?), when life appears, that is god working. That life is measurable by energy and mass. After a while you got life forms able to doubt about how they got where they are. Then you get religion. Life appears first, then religion appears. Religion is invented, first life forms are created from matter and energy. And all this time, there are natural disasters and beautiful sunsets, happening where there is life and no life. Those events have nothing to do with god. I think that personalizing god is a pagan practice. People can love people with or without a belief in god.

when life appears, that is god working.
Supposition.


I think that personalizing god is a pagan practice.
In which case you need a new dictionary.
Your "conception" of god as the universe is closer to paganism than is monotheism.

Me-Ki-Gal

Is English your first language?

Na the nailed to the cross thing has been done all ready by the fool Jesus.

don't be talkin' shit about my man now.

The first person who thought up monotheism had a valid point. Now that there are many groups all with their one and only god, I would say that monotheism means there is one god you can choose among many. You end up with large numbers of people believing that their god is the one and only. And once you got more than one god you are back to pagan style. And no, I don't believe people can claim that each single god version is only a different way of seeing the same god. We are apparently too far from the source.

don't be talkin' shit about my man now.

You are married to Jesus?

We are apparently too far from the source.
What "source"?

You are married to Jesus?

where in the hell have you been?

where in the hell have you been?

Not in hell, just here on planet Earth :D

Not in hell, just here on planet Earth :D

we are in the process of becoming one in the flesh with christ yes...the church. the bride of christ.

we are in the process of becoming one in the flesh with christ yes...the church. the bride of christ.
Eww...
So what does God think about polygamy?

It's ok as long as it's the good kind.

Eww...
So what does God think about polygamy?

i don't know. why, are you thinking about procuring a harem?

i don't know. why, are you thinking about procuring a harem?
Not really. That would be kind of hypocritical of me, wouldn't it :D

Not really. That would be kind of hypocritical of me, wouldn't it :D
Get another cat instead. It's less trouble in the long run.

Get another cat instead. It's less trouble in the long run.

Yup, but Popje would never allow that :p

Not really. That would be kind of hypocritical of me, wouldn't it :D

yes it would, now that you mention it. i was going to suggest though that you break down and consult god about the decision. it doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Polygamy predates religion by many thousands of years, maybe even hundreds of thousands.

The source is the series of events that bring the needed substances which can include extraterrestrial sources and needed energies together which make the leap from no life present to life present. This has nothing to do with intelligent design, creationism, etc. Once life is present, multicellular life can develop and subsequently develop religion and other activities to reinvent the appearance of that particular planet's first life forms. These multicellular life forms can also mimic god by sending space craft to off world locations loaded with unintended biological samples.

Na the nailed to the cross thing has been done all ready by the fool Jesus. Spidergoat wouldn't like that I don't think?

Why do you think Jesus was a fool?

jan.