Before I begin, I want to make it known that I am a firm believer in my Saviour, Jesus Christ. BUT I am not a part of the Christan religion.
I believe that religion is a man-made disgrace and a way for power hungry people to get power. I think people are mistaken in saying that you have to be religious to believe in a God but im here to tell you that you do not. Its sad that our society has become inslaved to religion and I believe it is that cause for many wars and hierarchys in this country and world.

But you are religious, you just aren't a member of any organized religion. Jesus was religious too.

Before I begin, I want to make it known that I am a firm believer in my Saviour, Jesus Christ. BUT I am not a part of the Christan religion.
You also need a better dictionary:

Religion:

re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

And since you state that it's Jesus you believe in that would make it Christian, neh?

Before I begin, I want to make it known that I am a firm believer in my Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Whether or not you go to church on Sundays and bray like sheeple is irrelevant. That one statement of faith is enough to drive you or any other "firm believer" to do what you now say you would not, without hesitation.

Baby steps, my friend... baby steps.

Before I begin, I want to make it known that I am a firm believer in my Saviour, Jesus Christ. BUT I am not a part of the Christan religion.
I believe that religion is a man-made disgrace and a way for power hungry people to get power. I think people are mistaken in saying that you have to be religious to believe in a God but im here to tell you that you do not. Its sad that our society has become inslaved to religion and I believe it is that cause for many wars and hierarchys in this country and world.

i agree with you. here's a good scripture...

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’ (NASB) Matthew 7:21-23

Here's a good scripture, this one is where god makes the rape victim marry the rapist after he's paid off the father.

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Here's a good scripture, this one is where god makes the rape victim marry the rapist after he's paid off the father.

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

what does this have to do with the OP?

what does this have to do with the OP?

its scripture?

Q, I feel like you're the kind of guy who likes to ejaculate on his own chest.

Is this something you fantasize me doing?

what does this have to do with the OP?

It's scripture, so you must believe it. If you were raped, would you agree to marry your rapist after he paid your father some money, and you could never divorce him, EVER? This IS your gods will.

It's scripture, so you must believe it. If you were raped, would you agree to marry your rapist after he paid your father some money, and you could never divorce him, EVER? This IS your gods will.

sure why not? i think that would be ample punishment for the rapist don't you think?

sure why not? i think that would be ample punishment for the rapist don't you think?

That is funny. lmao! That would be hell for the poor bastard.

sure why not? i think that would be ample punishment for the rapist don't you think?

Not so nice for the victim, don't you think?

That is funny. lmao! That would be hell for the poor bastard.

yes it would. there's a reason why nobody fucks with me in a violent way. probably the same reason other people look to me to defend them when they're in trouble. ;)

Not so nice for the victim, don't you think?

i think that might depend on the victim.

No, actually, I don't think it does.

No, actually, I don't think it does.

truthfully, i don't get the impression that god is concerned with niceties. at all.

He doesn't care if the victim of a rapist spends the rest of their lives chained (figuratively) to their attacker? This is the dude I'm supposed to admire?

sure why not? i think that would be ample punishment for the rapist don't you think?

You would never admit to it though, no sane person would...

Oops, sorry. I forgot. :D

He doesn't care if the victim of a rapist spends the rest of their lives chained (figuratively) to their attacker? This is the dude I'm supposed to admire?

from what i know of him, i can't say that he would. there would however, have to be some benefit of it.

You would never admit to it though, no sane person would...

Oops, sorry. I forgot. :D

admit to what?

from what i know of him, i can't say that he would. there would however, have to be some benefit of it.

Yeah, you get easy access to cut the motherfucker up in his sleep.

But you are religious, you just aren't a member of any organized religion. Jesus was religious too.

Not at all... Jesus gave a major critique of religion during his famous Sermon on The Mount.

Yeah, you get easy access to cut the motherfucker up in his sleep.

eh, that's too easy.

Not at all... Jesus gave a major critique of religion during his famous Sermon on The Mount.

That doesn't mean he wasn't religious, he plainly talks about having the proper attitude when you give at the altar.

eh, that's too easy.

OK then, beat him to death with a spoon.

OK then, beat him to death with a spoon.

i wouldn't kill him. that would be letting him off waaaaay too easy.

You really, really need to read Gemma, by Meg Tilly, it's about a 12 year old that's abducted and repeatedly raped by a 37 year old man who thinks he's in love with her and wants her to be his obedient wife, just like the Bible says.

You really, really need to read Gemma, by Meg Tilly, it's about a 12 year old that's abducted and repeatedly raped by a 37 year old man who thinks he's in love with her and wants her to be his obedient wife, just like the Bible says.

sounds pretty brutal. i had no idea meg tilly was an author. how does it end?

Spoiler alert:
She gets pregnant, which the guy is very happy with. He takes her to a hospital where they figure out what's going on and call the police. The police come and shoot him and arrest him, but don't kill him. Her mom comes to take her out of foster care, but then abandons her because Gemma could reveal that the mom's boyfriend was also raping her and pimping her out to her future abductor. Then she is adopted by a detective. There is a trial and the guy pleads not guilty, he uses the Bible to justify his crime to himself. That's as far as I got...

She gets pregnant, which the guy is very happy with. He takes her to a hospital where they figure out what's going on and call the police. The police come and shoot him and arrest him, but don't kill him. Her mom comes to take her out of foster care, but then abandons her because Gemma could reveal that the mom's boyfriend was also raping her and pimping her out to her future abductor. Then she is adopted by a detective. There is a trial and the guy pleads not guilty, he uses the Bible to justify his crime to himself. That's as far as I got...

unfortunately it sounds like non-fiction, except for the adoption part.

I understand it's partly autobiographical.

I understand it's partly autobiographical.

wow. you know if i was aware of someone being held captive and abused i'd be the first to come to their defense.

i can't explain the OT, except to say that it contrasts with the NT, which suggests jesus making a huge difference. and to reiterate, that in my experience, i have found god to be brutal.

i can't explain the OT, except to say that it contrasts with the NT, i have found god to be brutal.

No, we have found the followers of religions to be brutal as they mirror the brutality their scriptures exhibit.

Clearly, the OT is supposed to be the word of god, but since it's bronze age brutality no longer applies, it was allegedly changed. Of course, with the NT, only the names, places and players changed, the brutality remained intact.

Hence, that bronze age brutality is still alive and well, living within the congregations of believers. But, now they are saved! :D

wow. you know if i was aware of someone being held captive and abused i'd be the first to come to their defense.

YOU JUST SAID YOU SUPPORT THEIR CAPTIVITY AND ABUSE! That's what marrying your rapist would mean. I don't think you are a bad person, which is why your statements prove that it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

YOU JUST SAID YOU SUPPORT THEIR CAPTIVITY AND ABUSE! That's what marrying your rapist would mean. I don't think you are a bad person, which is why your statements prove that it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

the question was directed towards me in a personal way, and i answered it with a personal response.

my point is, that my faith in god is personal, and i'm not trying to interpret some of the crazy shit in the OT. i explained the only ways i can relate to it, and i do trust god in spite of it.

when people get all bent out of shape about the OT being so brutal, i suggest to them to take a look around in the world and tell me what they see. i see brutality. so, it doesn't seem far fetched to me. does that make sense?

Religion and theism are indeed separate things. But religion covers more than just organised religions, which is what the OP seems to be referring to.

YOU JUST SAID YOU SUPPORT THEIR CAPTIVITY AND ABUSE! That's what marrying your rapist would mean. I don't think you are a bad person, which is why your statements prove that it takes religion to make good people do bad things.

i also don't agree with you that religion makes good people do bad things. i think it takes bad people to do bad things, and they can rationalize it with all kinds of reasons, including religion.

i also don't agree with you that religion makes good people do bad things.

If you don't agree with history, then there isn't much hope.

If you don't agree with history, then there isn't much hope.

The history of bad people doing bad things? Its still going on you know.

The history of bad people doing bad things? Its still going on you know.

Did you notice religions are still going on, Lori? Have you also noticed that the more religious a society, the more bad things they do?

Did you notice religions are still going on, Lori? Have you also noticed that the more religious a society, the more bad things they do?

i don't think that is the correlation. i think religion is like anything else in the world. it can be used for bad, and it can be used for good, it just depends on who is using it.

i don't think that is the correlation. i think religion is like anything else in the world. it can be used for bad, and it can be used for good, it just depends on who is using it.

Religion is not based on morals, hence it can't possibly be used for good. The gods are hateful, vengeful psychotics.

Religion is not based on morals, hence it can't possibly be used for good. The gods are hateful, vengeful psychotics.

well, morals don't achieve freedom, and neither does religion. and you don't believe in gods.

well, morals don't achieve freedom, and neither does religion. and you don't believe in gods.

Why wouldn't morals achieve freedom?

You don't believe in gods, either. I simply believe in one less god than you.

Why wouldn't morals achieve freedom?

You don't believe in gods, either. I simply believe in one less god than you.

why would they achieve freedom?

do birds need morals to flock?

i'm talking about something more instinctual.

morals seem contradictory to freedom to me.

why would they achieve freedom?

Morals would release one from the psychotic ideologies of religions, giving them freedom of their minds from the slavery of cults.


morals seem contradictory to freedom to me.

You don't even know what morals are, how could they be contradictory?

Before I begin, I want to make it known that I am a firm believer in my Saviour, Jesus Christ. BUT I am not a part of the Christan religion.

I bet your mom and pop still make you go to church though.

Morals would release one from the psychotic ideologies of religions, giving them freedom of their minds from the slavery of cults.



You don't even know what morals are, how could they be contradictory?

first of all, morals are derived from religion.

secondly, they're rules designed to keep us in line, contrary to our inclinations.

that's not freedom.

first of all, morals are derived from religion.

No, they are not. There have been ample examples provided from scriptures that belay your claim.


secondly, they're rules designed to keep us in line, contrary to our inclinations.

that's not freedom.

I personally have no inclinations whatsoever that run contrary to any laws deemed by society. If you do, that's probably a result of your religion and lack of morals.

So, there you have your evidence that morals are NOT derived from religion.

No, they are not. There have been ample examples provided from scriptures that belay your claim.



I personally have no inclinations whatsoever that run contrary to any laws deemed by society. If you do, that's probably a result of your religion and lack of morals.

So, there you have your evidence that morals are NOT derived from religion.

the moral majority is made up primarily of a bunch of right wing christians.

the moral majority is made up primarily of a bunch of right wing christians.

They call themselves Christians, too. :D

So, there you have your evidence that morals are NOT derived from religion.
Well, to be more precise, it's more that morals don't have to come from religion, and some religions have moral codes at odds with current social mores.