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Killjoy you gerk! I'm never making another poll as long as I live, you're terrible :(

The questions arent specific enough.
I would ask:

1. Do you believe that the recent .008 increase in CO2 levels as a percentage of the total atmosphere is from human industrial sources?

2. Do you believe that surges in CO2 levels of this magnitude have (or will) raise the average global temperature significantly.

I would reply YES to number one, and NO to number two. :)

In any event, there is no way to accurately test either answer.

Hi,
Global warming is a complete truth and we should really take care of our mother earth.To say about it ,Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans in recent decades and its projected continuation.The cause for this destruction is no-one else other than us.We should make and do things that are co-exist with the nature rather than destroying it.And the worse is yet to come if we left the situation like this but we should take care and make a solution to this raising problem.

Or, is the CO2 level even correlated to Earth temperature?

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

i think that we have made a slight impact on the ozone layer wich effects the weather patterm. but the earth goes through many global climate shifts and patterns naturaly.

but above all things pollution is bad for our health anyway and to cut down on emmissions is a very good thing.


i could not vote because the answers were not to my liking.


peace.

i think that we have made a slight impact on the ozone layer wich effects the weather patterm. but the earth goes through many global climate shifts and patterns naturaly.

but above all things pollution is bad for our health anyway and to cut down on emmissions is a very good thing.


i could not vote because the answers were not to my liking.


peace.

:) I think you may mean higher atmosphere gas compounds other than ozone layer but I totally agree with every point.

With the addition that I find media without a doubt assertions extremely unscientific and annoying. Man made global warming is by no means conclusive from the evidence I've seen.

:) I think you may mean higher atmosphere gas compounds other than ozone layer but I totally agree with every point.

With the addition that I find media without a doubt assertions extremely unscientific and annoying. Man made global warming is by no means conclusive from the evidence I've seen.

yeah maybe thats what i mean. i kind of thought they were the same thing to be honest. :) im not ashamed to admit that.

i also find the media speculations annoying and very quick to state something without founded evidence.

ontop of everything i said i want to add one last thing. the weather in england is actualy pretty screwed up at the moment though, it is raining way too much for this time of year. i suspect our seasons have slightly shifted. and we are going through a late spring, because it shuld be mid summer right now. but it wont stop raining and flooding.

either we are experiencing a season shift and a late spring. or our whole summer is a wash out.


peace.

yeah maybe thats what i mean. i kind of thought they were the same thing to be honest. :) im not ashamed to admit that.
well ozone is made of 3 oxygen atoms and filters EM wavelengths particularly dangerous to us. Where as gases made from unlike atoms trap heat that would otherwise escape to space, so I thought you meant the latter.

i also find the media speculations annoying and very quick to state something without founded evidence.

ontop of everything i said i want to add one last thing. the weather in england is actualy pretty screwed up at the moment though, it is raining way too much for this time of year. i suspect our seasons have slightly shifted. and we are going through a late spring, because it shuld be mid summer right now. but it wont stop raining and flooding.

either we are experiencing a season shift and a late spring. or our whole summer is a wash out.


peace.
Yeah I agree but relative to what? How long have we been scrutinized greenhouse gases(Greenhouse gases were here long before us)? There are so many unknows in the longterm patterns of climate that this may well be natural fluctuation.

yeah maybe thats what i mean. i kind of thought they were the same thing to be honest. :) im not ashamed to admit that.
well ozone is made of 3 oxygen atoms and filters EM wavelengths particularly dangerous to us. Where as gases made from unlike atoms trap heat that would otherwise escape to space on a planet that doesnt retain an atmosphere, so I thought you meant the latter.

i also find the media speculations annoying and very quick to state something without founded evidence.

ontop of everything i said i want to add one last thing. the weather in england is actualy pretty screwed up at the moment though, it is raining way too much for this time of year. i suspect our seasons have slightly shifted. and we are going through a late spring, because it shuld be mid summer right now. but it wont stop raining and flooding.

either we are experiencing a season shift and a late spring. or our whole summer is a wash out.


peace.
Yeah I agree but relative to what? How long have we been scrutinized greenhouse gases(Greenhouse gases were here long before us)? There are so many unknows in the longterm patterns of climate that this may well be natural fluctuation.

Well, no. If you read about it, you can find out how we have proxies for past climate that match rather well. We have proxy records for CO2 going back half a million years. The basics of CO2 as a trapper of IR were worked out over a century ago by Svante Arhenius. The usn has been under modern observation for several decades, and the records have been tied in with records of sunspots going back several centuries. Basically, there may be a number of unknowns in the long term (Millions of years) record, but in the short term, ie NOW, there are very few. Clouds are one area that is not properly understood yet, as are the behaviours of the Greenland ice cap and some glacier areas.

Its true enough and the science confirms it but its dressed up in too much scare mongering I think someone more calm and detached like this chap has the right idea.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,481707,00.html

I know its a newspaper interview, but this bloke sounds really silly.
By analogy, the fact that we used to have open sewers in Europe shows that we can live perfectly well without closed modern sewers.

To elaborate. We have in the past few centuries, built up a vast and elaborate infrastructure, designed on the assumption that the future will be very much like the past, which has itself been not as stormy as it could have been. However, cliamte change, with increased changes in weather, floods, storms, rising water levels, changing plant zones (Which for example will put the optimal north american grain growing areas in Canada over the next 50 years, the problem being that Canada has very little soil to grow grain.) as well as mass extinctions, means that climate change is not to be sneezed at.
Obviously it is extremely unlikely to wipe us, as a species, out, but there are likely to be some wars over natural resources and the movement of people trying to find better lives elsewhere.

Global warming is actually being helped by the sun getting brighter in luminosity almost yearly now. For those of you who don't know this little bit of insignificant information, the Sun is slowly evolving into a Red Giant. In about 200 million years, a cold frosty beer should be selling for the price of a Mercedes.

Global warming is actually being helped by the sun getting brighter in luminosity almost yearly now. For those of you who don't know this little bit of insignificant information, the Sun is slowly evolving into a Red Giant. In about 200 million years, a cold frosty beer should be selling for the price of a Mercedes.

Try "4 billion" years, instead of the 200 million you mention. ;)

Global warming is actually being helped by the sun getting brighter in luminosity almost yearly now. For those of you who don't know this little bit of insignificant information, the Sun is slowly evolving into a Red Giant. In about 200 million years, a cold frosty beer should be selling for the price of a Mercedes.


I doubt this is because of the evolution of the sun into a red giant already, that's billions of years away as already mentioned.

BUT, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I read somewhere that the sun infact has increased in either luminosity or intensity (of radiation emitted) like 1% or something in the last 100 years of records. This is not related to the sunspot cylcle either. Anybody know or heard of this ?

If you all REALLY want to know what the future is going to be like, all you have to do is just travel to SpaceWeather.com, (http://www.spaceweather.com/) and check out the sunspot activity, on a daily basis. Yesterday, there was a tiny spot, that did not even get numbered. Today?

The sun is blank--no sunspots. Credit: SOHO/MDI (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/08jun08/midi512_blank.gif?PHPSESSID=mogpnn5ma8cvd00fp33avp s831) Notice the date in the address window.

Gentlemen, and ladies :wink: , we are still currently at the trailing end of Sunspot Cycle 23, which is long overdue to have been over,.........but it isn't. And the reason why it isn't is because there is no 'ginned-up' activity on the sun. The sun is Dead, with regard to activity. And it is FACT that a tranquil sun, means that the plant Earth, will become a cooler Earth.

This period of tranquility has been going on since 2005, and it usually takes around 4-7 years for the change, ever so slightly, to be felt here on our planet. Forget the current hot spell, but look at the rest of the last few months, and it is aparent that we are not heating up, but rather the opposite.

If solar scientists are correct, and Sunspot Cycle 23 continues on for another year, the cooling period will accelerate. Yet, this is exactly what has been forecast. This graph shows a history of the last two complete 178.8 year solar cycles, and also projects outward the next one, and as you can see, Sunspot Cycle 24 is going to be a Real Dud, activity wise. In fact, it will be almost an absense of a sunspot activity.

The sun is blank--no sunspots. Credit: SOHO/MDIhttp://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/15883/2208858790037686397S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2208858790037686397QIvnMl)

In other words, forget about AGW, it's the Sun that is the REAL diciding factor, and although it may not be all that much, it is enough to make a real difference in global temperatures. Personally, I believe we are headed for another little ice age by 2030, like another Dalton Minimum. Then where will Algore be?

As for the term "Climate Change", so what? Climate is ALWAYS changing, and if you think things are bad with a warm planet(which I contend is much better), just wait until a cooler climate wrecks havoc on the agriculture belts of the planet. Global cooling is the ABSOLUTE WORST thing that could happen to we humans. Trust me on this one. :wink:

What we should REALLY be worried about are Impactors from space. Why aren't you AGW True Believers all vexed about the threat of Asteroids and especially Comets? If you take the time and just study the latest Clovis Comet theory, you will see that a comet does not have to actually strike the earth to cause mass extinctions, and totall disruption. And we are constantly struck, with a major strike occuring about every thousand years. THERE is where you guys should be worried.

And speaking of Clovis Comet, that's why I'm Really here..............................

In other words, forget about AGW, it's the Sun that is the REAL diciding factor, and although it may not be all that much, it is enough to make a real difference in global temperatures. Personally, I believe we are headed for another little ice age by 2030, like another Dalton Minimum. Then where will Algore be?



Simple, Al Gore and his "human caused" global warming eco-Nazi's will whip out the 1970s Global Cooling alarmist theories, and continue their rhetoric from there.
"Human caused" global warming eco-Nazi's aren't stupid, they got all kinds of "scientific" models they pull out of their ass to prove their "scientific" points.

Gentlemen, and ladies :wink: , we are still currently at the trailing end of Sunspot Cycle 23, which is long overdue to have been over,.........but it isn't. And the reason why it isn't is because there is no 'ginned-up' activity on the sun. The sun is Dead, with regard to activity. And it is FACT that a tranquil sun, means that the plant Earth, will become a cooler Earth.
So if it's the trailing end of cycle 23, is there going to be a cycle 24, or not? Or is the Sun "Dead" with regard to "activity"?

I'm not really too sure what you mean by "activity", either. The Sun looked pretty active after it rose this morning, and it still does.