Morgan Freeman says the concept of a month dedicated to black history is ridiculous, and I couldn't agree more.
"You're going to relegate my history to a month?" the 68-year-old actor says in an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" to air Sunday (7 p.m. EST). "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."
Black history, black studies, the black student organization. It's all racist at its core. When I was in college, I once took a Black Student Union sign and switched the word black to white. I then posted the signs around campus and caused a huge uproar. There was no club, but you'd have thought the KKK had set up shop on campus. All I did was change one word of a sign that was already all over campus. As Mr. Freeman says, black history is American history. It shouldn't be separated into a certain month. Until we stop making these distinctions, race will always be an issue. As Mr. Freeman says:
The actor says he believes the labels "black" and "white" are an obstacle to beating racism.
"I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man,"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051215/ap_en_mo/people_morgan_freeman

Black History Month. Put it to a vote. I don't have a problem with Black History Month. Why does it bother you so much? Are you afraid it will lead to your white-ass (assumption) being enslaved some day? Why don't you focus on your dumb-ass white history and let blacks do whatever the fuck they want for a while?!

I agree with Morgan Freeman. All they're doing is further segregating themselves with a black history month, yet the same people that are for it, are ones that are against racism. Go figure. Not very smart people in charge, heh. They're making themselves go in an endless circle not going anywhere.

Now if you'll excuse me, time to go back and watch my White Entertainment Channel. :rolleyes: And that's another rant. At least call it the Hip-Hop Channel or something because all you're doing is stereotyping yourselves which doesn't help the situation. And they get upset and call others racist when it's referred to as "black music" (even though 95% of the so-called "artists" are black), heh.

- N

Nice opinion, dildo.

to:madanthonywayne & Neildo
The whites have expoited the blacks for centuries. If you dont want blacks in ur country, then make one of your states a new country for african americans. You are the ones that brought em to america as slaves. Now it is your responsibility to take care of them. Why the fuck does black history month bother you so much?

I hear that their are plans for making January "Jewish History Month", interesting huh?

As for the rest of the BS thats coming out of Guerillas communist mouth, if he had ever taken a college level class in American history, he would realize everything he is saying is not true.

Only a small percentage of southerners owned slaves, about 4 percent of them. slave ownership was a characteristic of the small elite upper class.

Do you know who owned the slave trade in the 1500's? it wasnt the British, it was the spanish/portugese. Therefore you cannot blame british colonialists for "bringing the blacks".

Krieg, does a Jewish history month bother your dumb-ass? If so, why? You afraid of the dark, too?

Krieg, does a Jewish history month bother your dumb-ass? If so, why? You afraid of the dark, too?
Am I angering you're degenerate communist mind? shouldnt you be out looting like a worthless worm.

No, designating January as "Jewish History Month" does not bother me, if it did i would have MENTIONED THAT IN MY POST. Learn how to read.

The whites have expoited the blacks for centuries. If you dont want blacks in ur country, then make one of your states a new country for african americans. You are the ones that brought em to america as slaves. Now it is your responsibility to take care of them. Why the fuck does black history month bother you so much?

Uh, what? Lol. Exactly WHERE did I say I don't want blacks in my country? What a moron.

What I HAVE said, is that I don't like things that target a select group of people when those types already complain about racism as what they're doing is counter-productive. You know, like black-only schools? Here they complain about not being able to go to school because it's all whites, so many years from now that they can go to school with whites.. what do they do? They do the EXACT same thing they were complaining about in the first place. They wind up making a black-only school. Do you not see the hypocracy? THAT's the problem.

Now hey, I'd have no problem with them having a black-only month/school/channel if not for the hypocracy. If they quit complaining about racists and being targetted and any other wah wah, boo-hoo they say, then I'm all for it. But for them to complain about racism and do exactly what they complain about, they're friggin idiots for doing so.

So yes, I'd have a problem with a Jewish History Month as well. Why? Well what do we always hear about? Wah wah, anti-semite, anti-semite! Doing the same thing complaining about racism or culture prejudice but then making something that only applies to them and excludes all other races and cultures. Hy-po-crits!

So hey, since it seems all those groups want MORE segregation, I'm gonna go start up a white-only channel, holiday, school, you name it. And once they start screaming bloody murder, which I can GUARANTEE you they will, I'll just point to all their exclusive things that exclude others. God, I hate hypocrits.

- N

Am I angering you're degenerate communist mind? shouldnt you be out looting like a worthless worm.

No, designating January as "Jewish History Month" does not bother me, if it did i would have MENTIONED THAT IN MY POST. Learn how to read.

Afraid of commies too, you skinheaded punk?

Afraid of commies too, you skinheaded punk?
You are SADLY mistaken if you think i care what some worthless little leftist hippie cares about me.

you are displaying the EXACT behavior that is typical of leftist liberal rats, congrats on that.

Someone offends you by shedding apart you're little delusions, and you cry and whine like the moron you are.

"skinheaded ass", I assure you I am anything BUT a skinhead, but you knew that, since you are just pulling stuff out of you're ass.

I know you want to start a flame war, since you are a TROLL, but it is not worth my TIME.

Obviously it is worth your time, cunt. Blow me, bitch.

I think they should keep Black History Month. That way it'll keep the blacks separate from normal run-of-the-mill people ...help set them aside as different from the rest of the people.

Yeah, keep the Black History Month ...in fact, let's set up Black Entertainer Week, Black Athelete Month, Black Bank Teller Week, Black Chef Week, Black Lawyer Month, Black Judge Month, Black Actor Month, ..., hell, let's set up a Black Pulizter Prize and a Black Nobel Prize, too. :)

Let's keep blacks as a separate people from all others in the nation! Great idea!

Baron Max

Obviously it is worth your time, cunt. Blow me, bitch.

I see that ye're returning to your old, regular posts, Cotton. I must admit that you surprised me there for a while .....but now ye're right back at it, just as I suspected you'd do.

Baron Max

Exactly. I'll keep trying to fit in, baron, just for you. I did tell you to tell me if I was going off the deep end again. Instead, you say you never had any confidence in me to start with. Oh well.

Hmmm Black history month. So does this mean that 11 out of 12 months, students aren't taught about the history of African Americans? I'd have thought that since the history of African Americans is so interwined with that of White Americans, that it should not be condensed into one month but taught as part of American history. Or has political correctness led to the point where the school syllabus in the US has in effect segregated African American history?

You are SADLY mistaken if you think i care what some worthless little leftist hippie cares about me.

you are displaying the EXACT behavior that is typical of leftist liberal rats, congrats on that.
Ahem.. not all lefties take the stance of cotton. What amuses me though is how a white man like cotton is so offended that an African American like Freeman thinks that African American history should not be devoted to only one month in the year but intergrated with general American history.

I think they should keep Black History Month.
LOL!

I never thought I'd see the day when Baron is on the same side as Cotton. Hilarious..

I'd have thought that since the history of African Americans is so interwined with that of White Americans, that it should not be condensed into one month but taught as part of American history. Or has political correctness led to the point where the school syllabus in the US has in effect segregated African American history?

Political correctness has prevented teachers from talking about the slavery issues, since it makes the blacks uncomfortable in history classes!

Ditto for teaching the kids that many blacks fought in the Civil War ...on the side of the SOUTH! Again, that's just too politically sensitive and might hurt some people's feelings. And we wouldn't want any feelings hurt during history class, would we?

When we teach about Custer's Last Stand, the teachers make sure there are no "Injuns" in the class, then proceed to talk about how the dirty, sneakin' red devils ambushed poor ol' Custer ...who was just out for a nice afternoon ride on the plains!! :)

By the way, Bells, I think Cottontop is a black man, not a white man! Now I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.

Baron Max

I don't get it. Why don't they teach about blacks in history when they teach about other people of those areas? Like, if they are teaching about scientists then they teach about black and white scientists. Then again, I don't really get what Black History Month is. Did I grab the wrong end of the stick? :P

Political correctness has prevented teachers from talking about the slavery issues, since it makes the blacks uncomfortable in history classes!

Ditto for teaching the kids that many blacks fought in the Civil War ...on the side of the SOUTH! Again, that's just too politically sensitive and might hurt some people's feelings. And we wouldn't want any feelings hurt during history class, would we?

When we teach about Custer's Last Stand, the teachers make sure there are no "Injuns" in the class, then proceed to talk about how the dirty, sneakin' red devils ambushed poor ol' Custer ...who was just out for a nice afternoon ride on the plains!! :)

By the way, Bells, I think Cottontop is a black man, not a white man! Now I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.

Baron Max

Yes, not teaching something because it's too "sensitive" is stupid! Studying history that's falsified like that seems pointless is general! Why deny mistakes? So the next generation can make them again?

I don't get it. Why don't they teach about blacks in history when they teach about other people of those areas?

Well, golly ...just think about it for a moment! If they teach history and include the blacks in that history, then they're going to have to teach the history of slavery, of segragation of blacks, of keeping the blacks in little cabins on the plantations, under the guard of white managers. Don't you think that sounds just about like animals on the farm?

How can you entertwin black history and white history together without teaching all of the shitty side of that history? and surely you wouldn't want us to teach the shitty side of history, would you?

Perhaps you did grab the wrong end of the stick? :)

Baron Max

im not racist, but notice black history month is in february, aka the SHORTEST month

Hmmm Black history month. So does this mean that 11 out of 12 months, students aren't taught about the history of African Americans? I think it started as a way to catch things that weren't taught or glossed over in the predominantly white-controlled curriculums several decades ago.

Ahem.. not all lefties take the stance of cotton. What amuses me though is how a white man like cotton is so offended that an African American like Freeman thinks that African American history should not be devoted to only one month in the year but intergrated with general American history.
Amused, huh? Good. However, I think you have missed the boat here bells. What, in what I have said, gave you the idea that I was offended. Where, with regards to Black History Month or Morgan Freeman, have I sounded offended at all? Holding a grudge against me? I think you are trying to put words into my mouth. Shame, shame.

oh yea baron, im still in school, (i think alot of ppl here arent) but i wanna know EVERYTHING!!!

from 1200's to 2400's i wanna know it

Yes, not teaching something because it's too "sensitive" is stupid! Studying history that's falsified like that seems pointless is general! Why deny mistakes? So the next generation can make them again?

Ahhh, yer' idealism is showing!

All history, any history, is written by the victors and as such, it's written to put the victors in the best possible light. If you want truth and all that bullshit, the go read stories like Cinderella and Snow White!

Baron Max

By the way, Bells, I think Cottontop is a black man, not a white man! Now I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
Baron MaxYou think wrong, as usual, though I respect your right to be wrong, as usual.

Yes, not teaching something because it's too "sensitive" is stupid! Studying history that's falsified like that seems pointless is general! Why deny mistakes? So the next generation can make them again?
Perhaps it is because there are people who prefer to remain blind to what their ancestors did and were capable of in the past. Why are mistakes denied? Think of John Howard when he refused to say sorry because in his mind, it was another generation who committed those acts. Mistakes are denied so that the present generation can sleep better at night with the thought that we are somehow better, when in effect we aren't. Many countries who committed atrocities in the past tend to not teach that part of their history in their schools. I guess for some, ignorance is bliss.

Exactly. I'll keep trying to fit in, baron, just for you. I did tell you to tell me if I was going off the deep end again. Instead, you say you never had any confidence in me to start with. Oh well.

How about me:

I have confidence in you, however, you're starting to go off into the deep end again. Show me that I am right in having confidence in you. Show your worth. :)

Oh, and by the way, that was my segregated "white only confidence comment" that I only do to whites. Woohoo, go segregation!

- N

oh yea baron, im still in school, (i think alot of ppl here arent) but i wanna know EVERYTHING!!! ...from 1200's to 2400's i wanna know it

From whose perspective? And how are you going to know the truth if there are two or more points of view on each subject/era? The problem you'll encounter is not that you can't find appropriate info, but that you find TOO DAMNED MUCH info ....most of which is tainted by bias and prejudice.

You want to know everything? Too bad ...'cause you're gonna' be searching for a long, long time, and maybe even then you'll not know.

Baron Max

I don't get it. Why don't they teach about blacks in history when they teach about other people of those areas? Like, if they are teaching about scientists then they teach about black and white scientists. Then again, I don't really get what Black History Month is. Did I grab the wrong end of the stick? :P

They do, or at least they used to. Heck, I still remember George Washington Carver, a black man, who invented peanut butter. Sure, there were greater black scientists than him, but he's the one I remember the most.. even more than white scientists. Heh, ask me to name one and Einstein won't come to mind, it's him for some reason. Perhaps I was brainwashed by liberals into only remembering his name.

- N

Historically speaking, America has treated blacks unfairly.
Black History month was created to highlight and correct
some of that imbalance. I'd like to see it integrated more
naturally into classes, but the point is that it should be done.

I believe America is a great nation because of the way we
react to our mistakes. All countries do bad things at some
point or other, but good coutries own up and make reparations.

That's why unamerican fanatics who deny that we have
ever made mistakes are the greatest danger to our nation.

From whose perspective? And how are you going to know the truth if there are two or more points of view on each subject/era? The problem you'll encounter is not that you can't find appropriate info, but that you find TOO DAMNED MUCH info ....most of which is tainted by bias and prejudice.

You want to know everything? Too bad ...'cause you're gonna' be searching for a long, long time, and maybe even then you'll not know.

Baron Max

I agree totally with you Baron. Everything you just said can be said double for the bible, the koran and just about any other religious document that exists and people take as gospel. It can also be said about American history textbooks.

WELL SAID, CHANGA!!

How can you entertwin black history and white history together without teaching all of the shitty side of that history? and surely you wouldn't want us to teach the shitty side of history, would you?


Well, yes, I would actually!


All history, any history, is written by the victors and as such, it's written to put the victors in the best possible light.


Perhaps in that country. Maybe other countries have a clearer picture of what went on? Like when the Japanese were ignoring all sorts of atrocities commited against the Chinese. The Japanese children weren't been educated with the unbiased stuff, but the Chinese sure knew what was going on.

Think of John Howard when he refused to say sorry because in his mind, it was another generation who committed those acts.

I think he refuses to say sorry because that'd be accepting responsibility, and then he'd get his pants sued off.

How about me:

I have confidence in you, however, you're starting to go off into the deep end again. Show me that I am right in having confidence in you. Show your worth. :)Will do. You just wait and see. I can do it. Not all the time, probably, but when I go off the deep-end, just know that I can swim.

Oh, and by the way, that was my segregated "white only confidence comment" that I only do to whites. Woohoo, go segregation!Do you have a "black only confidence comment?" Are you racist? Just for my information? I can't remember.

Do you have a "black only confidence comment?" Are you racist? Just for my information? I can't remember.

No, I don't have a "black only confidence comment" because if I had a "black only confidence comment" when I already have a "white only confidence comment", that would somehow be RACIST by allowing equal opportunity just as if I had a "White History Month" or "White Entertainment Channel". :rolleyes:

I mean hey, blacks wanna further segregate themselves with a "Black History Month" as opposed to an "American History Month" which blacks are apart of as Mr. Freeman says. So I'm just trying to help them by adding more segregative things such as a "white only confidence comment". Although dang, that's racist in itself because the whites got that confidence comment all to themselves before the blacks had the chance.

Ah well, damned if you do, damned if you don't. No matter what, whites will always be seen as racists.

/end sarcasm

- N

Give it a break. Don't you think it's acceptable for someone who has been abused by white men to react in any god-damned way they desire? It's a give and take type of thing, Neildo. If you've been taking all your life, as a white man, there comes a time when it's the right thing to do to give some back. Even if it takes a long, long time.

I mean hey, blacks wanna further segregate themselves with a "Black History Month" as opposed to an "American History Month" which blacks are apart of as Mr. Freeman says.
Ah well, damned if you do, damned if you don't. No matter what, whites will always be seen as racists.
- N
Blacks aren't segregating themselves with Black History Month. Black history month does not have a rule about not teaching any other history during that time. It simply highlights and respects the accomplishments of blacks during that month nationally for all of the world to know. It's not a club that only blacks can join. Again, I attended an all black school (99.9%). It wasn't all black by choice. White people probably did not want to attend. Also, it still amazes me that most people born after 1960 only lives in the present. You have to live in the knowledge of the past as well as today in order to understand the rules and regulations of this world and why/how they came about. Morgan Freeman is simply saying that the USA should be a in place where black history is taught just as long and as much as all other history. Sadly in the US and the rest of the world this is not and probably will never be the case. So we have a nationally recognized month for black history. I was taught black history every month including all other (deemed necessary) history.

I couldn't agree more, ReighnStorm. I was hoping you would make an appearance here.

Don't you think it's acceptable for someone who has been abused by white men to react in any god-damned way they desire?

They should be allowed to react any god-damned way they desire? Huh? Uh, hell no? Wow. Just.. wow.

Sure, let em react anyway they so desire, but when we give in to RIDICULOUS demands such as granting them privilegages that continue the problem they complain about, THAT's when it's wrong. What is the point in giving a person that complains about racism a special privileage that promotes more racism? Pretty friggin retarded if you ask me.

And just like with Jews, please tell me which blacks are getting abused by white men. And I seriously mean getting abused and oppressed by the white man and NOT the ones having to dealing with the consequences of their actions such as criminals and hoodlums. You know what the majority of the list will look like? The same with Jews that try and play the Holocaust trump card when THEY DIDN'T EVEN LIVE DURING THAT PERIOD. It'll be a list of loud-mouthed youths trying to use the past as an excuse for their own faults and bad-doings of today. I.. I.. I.. only did what I did cause my grandmother was oppressed by whites back in the 50's or I only did what I did because Germans killed my grandparents in WW2. Yeah, okay, whatever.

Just look at the Muslim riots around the world or the riots in Ohio (?) awhile back at the WP rally. Who were the ones rioting? Youths! Uneducated youths! How are they supposed to change and learn from the past when we continue to promote the same wrong-doings of the past?

Sure, there's more blacks that lived through the Civil Rights Movement than Jews in the Holocaust, but you still have those that haven't and who don't know much about it so instead of learning from the past in which they know nothing of, they wind up commiting the same problems that caused it in the first place! This is why continuing to segregate races is bad. It doesn't solve the problems of the past, it only continues it. By doing so, THEY are the ones not allowing themselves to assimilate into ordinary American life. It seems that they DON'T wanna be American.

Gee, doesn't this problem sound familiar with the illegal Mexicans in the U.S. border states or Muslims in the EU? How long ago was the Mexican-American war? How long ago were the Moors invading Europe? This is something I talked about in another thread about culture wars and how certain cultures hold grudges for many years. Who's problem is that? If they wanna live in the past, so be it. If they don't wanna assimilate into society with open arms, so be it, but don't act like a bitch and complain about how people react to you when you don't wanna be apart of the society you're trying to live in.

It's a give and take type of thing, Neildo. If you've been taking all your life, as a white man, there comes a time when it's the right thing to do to give some back. Even if it takes a long, long time.

Oh, I'd LOVE to hear what *I* have been taking all my life.

And what are you talking about where "it's the right thing to give some back"? What are we giving blacks by allowing them a segregated black-only holiday/channel/whatever? All that's doing is PROMOTING more segregation and racism! That's the whole damned problem in the first place! Jesus titty-fucking Christ, surely you have the common sense to at least see that!

- N

Dude, you just flew off my radar, I think. Good-bye.

Typical defeatist response.

<3

- N

I think the whole thing about blacks making a black history month is a little screwed up. Who DID make black history months? Did blacks encourage it's creation to furthur their history? Or did whites do it as a sort of apology and promise to furthur the teaching of the facts of what we did to African-Americans? The answer might help straighten out this argument.

I'm gonna apologize now because I'm white, male, and at my age, not part of any minority. But any scholarship, grant, or internship I see on my campus for "Black Engineers" or "Lationo Students" pisses me off to no end because it forcefully grants advantage to people because of their supposed "race" and cripples the idea of meritocracy. I think scholarships should be applied for by anyone, and shouldn't ask for a person to check-mark their race/ethnicity, therefore ignoring the racial barrier altogether.

But, because school doesn't ignore your race simply because you don't fill in that oval on the form, you'd need to forcefully encourage the education of minority history. Black history month is racism, but it's a positive form of racism in my opinion: it's not hurting anyone!

I do see where you're comming from, Neildo, I think minority pride makes isolated subcultures in America and the world, which goes against the ideas of cooperation between all races. But not all forms of racism are negative, some of it passes for counter-racism: another something to try an undo the problems in racism.

Black history month is racism, but it's a positive form of racism in my opinion: it's not hurting anyone!
There is no positive form of racism. That's the whole point. Discriminate in favor of a group that, at some point in the past, was discriminated against and all you do is create a new generation of agrieved people on the other side who resent the formerly oppressed group since they are now the ones being oppressed. Since the group being oppressed is actually the MAJORITY, it seems pretty certain that at some point there's gonna be some nasty blow back against the minority. Two wrongs don't make a right. The way to get rid of racism is TO GET RID OF IT, not to discriminate against a different group! We should be fostering the idea of one American people working together, not a bunch of races fighting each each other for scraps.

any scholarship, grant, or internship I see on my campus for "Black Engineers" or "Latino Students" pisses me off to no end
First, I want to say that I somewhat agree, or at least
sympathise. College is hard without scholarships, and
it's hard to see others getting a easier ride due to their
race. I was there too, I was pissed too.

But, I remember being in k-12, and I teach k-12 now.
Black kids are typically not given the same opportunities
as white kids, although our schools do try their best.

Those who push through the additional hardship and get to
college have already worked harder and better to catch up,
they merit those scholarships based on that. It's a kind of
"most improved" award for getting out of the ghetto.

It's not racist to acknowledge and react to existing racism.
It just looks that way.

Yeah this isn't good enough, they should have black history year, every year, and every day should be dedicated to learning about all the great things blacks have done through history.
Yeah yeah, they haven't done anything, but we could quite easily attribute the lesser known feats to them.
Who decided grass should be mowed? It really may have been a black man for all we know. Or a black woman better still.
A black lesbian? Brilliant. Now we're on the same page.
We should really be teaching this crap to our kids, seeing as how black people used to be slaves or whatever.

Historically speaking, America has treated blacks unfairly.
Not just historically.

I believe America is a great nation because of the way we
react to our mistakes.
How? By blowing them up?

All countries do bad things at some point or other, but good coutries own up and make reparations.
When you start to pay lost wages to the descendents of the slaves who provided free labour to make America so "great", then you can say it really is a good country. Until then, you can slum it up with the rest of the ex colonies who have acted like arseholes in the past.

That's why unamerican fanatics who deny that we have ever made mistakes are the greatest danger to our nation.
Bush has admitted his mistake in trusting bad intelligence (in all forms). So does that mean that he is not a danger to your nation? LOL!

I was taught black history every month including all other (deemed necessary) history.
And that's how it should be all the time everywhere in your country. Not lumped together in one month as an afterthought to make sure that what was left out could somehow be crammed in.

What, in what I have said, gave you the idea that I was offended. Where, with regards to Black History Month or Morgan Freeman, have I sounded offended at all?
Ok. Maybe 'offended' was the wrong term. Maybe angry might be a better term... after all, history does repeat itself so often.

Holding a grudge against me? I think you are trying to put words into my mouth. Shame, shame.
Put words into your mouth? Hah! I'm probably one of the people around here trying to find a corkscrew big enough to stop the words from coming out of your mouth. :)

Heh, I don't mind it. Dildo is the reason why I came up with Neildo, to make fun of myself. Gotta first make fun of yourself before you can go making fun of others. ;)

- N

Ah now, why all the hating? Come now bells, you've got a baby now. Besides, you know you'll never find a corkscrew big enough, now don't ya, darling?

You had the baby already, Bells? Send me some pics. :D

- N

Until then, you can slum it up with the rest of the ex colonies who have acted like arseholes in the past.

Sounds like your history teachers went out of their way to
ignore the mistakes that you Brits made in America.

It was little things like shooting civilians that cost you the
colonies, and if you'd learned from that perhaps you wouldn't
be repeating those mistakes in Iraq!

Racism is Dead!! Long Live Racism!!

yeah just keep dredging up the past. america was the first country to abolish slavery and enforce the law, does that matter? it doesn't matter that blacks are in positions of power either does it. racism is the land of idiocy. if you seriously believe in racial inferiority then you need a little humility. whats wrong with the black man? one word, white. or more precisly the white culture. for the white people out there let me say this, what if i told you i was the black sheep of the family? or that i wanted to take a walk down the dark side of life. would you think i was bad or evil? and it is buried deep in our culture. there are blacks in postions of power they are not stupid and they are aware of the situation (i believe)

Why you gotta call me a fuckhead, leopold? :)
sorry cottonton i apologize name calling gets under my skin and makes me want to run down the street screaming and pulling my hair out

I'm surprised you didn't say something sooner then, in the thread about bush. I tend to enjoy name-calling, though most of the time I really don't mean anything by it. Except when it comes to anyone I think is racist, of course. Peace.

I'm surprised you didn't say something sooner then, in the thread about bush. I tend to enjoy name-calling, though most of the time I really don't mean anything by it. Except when it comes to anyone I think is racist, of course. Peace.
eh bush? i don't know, never mind me i just got up
peace

Sounds like your history teachers went out of their way to
ignore the mistakes that you Brits made in America.
I am neither British or American.

You had the baby already, Bells?
Yes and he's nearly 3 months old.. already.. thankfully his cute chubby cheeks are still there for us to kiss and he has the sweetest dimpled chin which we also spend quite a bit of time kissing and he has the loveliest giggle when you kiss the back of his neck (I know I'm sounding revoltingly clucky but I can't help it.. he's too cute).. speaking of which, I have a little boy I wish to go and cuddle..

for the white people out there let me say this, what if i told you i was the black sheep of the family? or that i wanted to take a walk down the dark side of life. would you think i was bad or evil? and it is buried deep in our culture. there are blacks in postions of power they are not stupid and they are aware of the situation (i believe)

Huh?

Well, I'd say good for you, as you're allowed to do as you wish so long as it doesn't harm others against their will. Go ahead and be a black sheep and walk down the dark side of life, or whatever else black and dark you choose to be.

What kinda questions were those? :confused:

- N

Yes and he's nearly 3 months old.. already.. thankfully his cute chubby cheeks are still there for us to kiss and he has the sweetest dimpled chin which we also spend quite a bit of time kissing and he has the loveliest giggle when you kiss the back of his neck (I know I'm sounding revoltingly clucky but I can't help it.. he's too cute).. speaking of which, I have a little boy I wish to go and cuddle..

Wow, three months old already? I didn't realize I was away from the Ethics and Morality section for that long as that's when I first heard you were preggo. Heh, and sounds like a cute baby. They're so fun. Give him a couple zerberts for me.

- N

eh bush? i don't know, never mind me i just got up
peace

Bush Spies on American Citizens. Psyche! I have been fairly mild there, though. Surprise surprise, bells. Will wonders never cease?!

all right i'll bite
why should we get rid of black history month? do you believe the black man unworthy?

Hell no, we should not get rid of black history month. They have a right to nationalistic pride like anyone else!

In fact, we should encourage blacks to develop their own identity, as clearly multiculturalism has failed.

http://www.theblacknationalist.com/

Hell no, we should not get rid of black history month. They have a right to nationalistic pride like anyone else!

In fact, we should encourage blacks to develop their own identity, as clearly multiculturalism has failed.

http://www.theblacknationalist.com/
i don't agree
multiculturalism hasn't failed
a black man born in america is an american therefor nationalistic pride would be american pride

No, you don't understand the historical definition of nationalism. You have confused it with patriotism.

And multiculturalism HAS failed, but black nationalism has not.

No, you don't understand the historical definition of nationalism. You have confused it with patriotism.

And multiculturalism HAS failed, but black nationalism has not.
alright then what is our option? have any ideas?

all right i'll bite
why should we get rid of black history month? do you believe the black man unworthy?

Well, considering there is no "White History Month", "Jewish History Month", "Arab History Month", "Japanese History Month", "[insert other] History Month", that must mean all those other groups are NOT worth and only blacks ARE worthy? Do you not see the hypocracy and reverse-racism in that, especially when it's the blacks that always cry and complain about that very act?

- N

we got 12 months. when we run out we can start using weeks.

Do you not see the hypocracy and reverse-racism in that, especially when it's the blacks that always cry and complain about that very act?

No, they don't!! And that's exactly what Morgan Freeman and Bill Cosby, among other blacks, have been stating all along ...that to rid the nation of racism, we must ....yes, rid the nation of racism!

If you stand up in crowd and yell, "Racist!" ....everyone in that crowd will simply assume that some white man has accosted a black man. No one, virtually no one, will even consider that it was a black man who accosted a white man. What does that tell us?

Baron Max

alright then what is our option? have any ideas?

Yes - split into smaller localized communities by "nation," a grouping made by combined presence of common ethnic, linguistic and cultural traits.

There is about to be Jewish History Month - there's a bill before the President to make it legal.

When can we have a "Redneck History Month"?

Baron Max

how is that going to solve the "problem"

If you stand up in crowd and yell, "Racist!" ....everyone in that crowd will simply assume that some white man has accosted a black man. No one, virtually no one, will even consider that it was a black man who accosted a white man. What does that tell us?

That whites more often express racism than blacks?

When can we have a "Redneck History Month"?

Baron Max
first day of 'coon season

That whites more often express racism than blacks?
yeah that's why blacks go around calling themselves "niggers"

That whites more often express racism than blacks?

Got any hard evidence? Would love to see it, either way.

Yes - split into smaller localized communities by "nation," a grouping made by combined presence of common ethnic, linguistic and cultural traits.

There is about to be Jewish History Month - there's a bill before the President to make it legal.
how will this solve the problem?

Got any hard evidence? Would love to see it, either way.
Talk to Baron, its his story not mine.

If we have a Black History Month, then it is only fair and equal, under our constitution, that we also have a Yellow History Month and a White History Month and a Native American History Month, and maybe even an Alien History Month.

Being a minority does have it's advantages in just about every aspect of life....whether it's business, school.... general life and animal life (protection). It's a balance. If nothing else is true in life this one thing is. You can't survive in any way without BALANCE. American history created Black history. Plain and simple. American life created Affirmitive action.....etc....American life created American life as we know it today....so forth and so on. It is what it is. We all know why it is. The question is or should be. "Should black history month be continued in this day and age?" The answer is "based on American history/present day....yes it should continue. Who knows in 20 years or so. Today, YES! :eek:

"Should black history month be continued in this day and age?" The answer is "based on American history/present day....yes it should continue. Who knows in 20 years or so. Today, YES!

Yeah, I agree ...it helps to drive the wedge deeper between whites and blacks in the USA. Pretty soon people will come to realize sooner that true, voluntary segragation is the best of all possible solutions (short of forced intermarriage and breeding programs to make us all sorta' brownish!).

Baron Max

history is usually the propaganda of the rulers.
it is only natural that the weak will make ineffectual attempts to rewrite from their pov
funny that this is considered strange.
it is an outlet for frustration. much better than rioting on the street, ja?

Pretty soon people will come to realize sooner that true, voluntary segragation is the best of all possible solutions (short of forced intermarriage and breeding programs to make us all sorta' brownish!).

I think you're right. The best respect between black and white is respecting our differences and needs for autonomy.

http://www.theblacknationalist.com/

Why is there no American-Indian History Month? :(

- N

I always thought that Black American History was a good thing to have, but now that I think about it...it's not really fair.
We have Black American history month so we can learn about their history, but like what Morgan freeman said, why do we have to set aside a month for it? It's a part of everyones history, and we should have that a part of our history along with all the other races. We don't need a month set aside to learn about a certain race. It's not right. It not fair that we have black history month, and all the other 11 months we don't include them in our history? That's crazy! Why would we do that? It's a part of our history!
Let's get ride of all these "women history months" "Black history month" and start making women and blacks apart of everyday history. I'm sick of reading about white men all the time.

Why in American schools is Greek and Roman history taught so much? Why do they still teach about the cotton gin? Why does African history start at the slave trade? Why is it the inventions of African Americans never taught in public schools? Why is the African Holocaust never taught in schools? The rape of African Slaves? The murder of African childern? The separation of the African Family?

That's the reason for a Black History month. So this History isn't forgotten. Just as the Jews have there Holocaust remembrance every freakin day of the year. We need an American Indian History Month.

When they have a Swedish History Month i'll let it slide.

And if the purpose of black history month is: "Why in American schools is Greek and Roman history taught so much? Why do they still teach about the cotton gin? Why does African history start at the slave trade? Why is it the inventions of African Americans never taught in public schools? Why is the African Holocaust never taught in schools? The rape of African Slaves? The murder of African childern? The separation of the African Family?" then they should have a Native American month.

As much as you hear about how blacks had it bad- at least they are still alive! How many Native Americans do you know?? We killed MILLIONS of them. You think the Ghetto is bad- I suggest you go to an Indian Reservation. Black Histroy month should be trashed.

If you have too many of them they'll start to overlap :bugeye:

"Now children, as you know today is the first day of Swedish-Indian-Madagascan history month. Lunch today will consist of a curried lemur smorgasbord!"

then they should have a Native American month.

As much as you hear about how blacks had it bad- at least they are still alive! How many Native Americans do you know?? We killed MILLIONS of them. You think the Ghetto is bad- I suggest you go to an Indian Reservation. Black Histroy month should be trashed.

I agree. Everyday should be Native American History Day. Everyday, every American should be taught what was done to the Natives of this country. Everyday. It should be taught with utter frankness the evil that was visited on them and the way they were made into savages by the whites of yesteryear once they didn’t just lay down and die. Every day on every news station, an hour should be set aside to go in detail the way the evil peoples of this country wiped out the natives of this land.

Now back to Black History Month. I agree that it should be done away with BUT NOT UNTIL the accomplishments of African Americans are taught in every school with as much vigor as the accomplishments of other cultures. Once the playing field has been leveled for ALL peoples of this so called melting pot of a country then and only then should recognition of other groups be done away with.

But that only begs another question. Why do people have a dislike or more to the point, a hatred for something like Black History Month? What harm does it do you [non people of color] that African Americans celebrate there own accomplishments? Do you look at it as keeping the racist apart?

What harm does it do you [non people of color] that African Americans celebrate there own accomplishments? Do you look at it as keeping the (races?) (racist?) apart?

Yes, that's exactly what it does ...it makes distinctions between blacks and other races/cultures. I.e., it promotes what I think the world should be ....segragated into voluntary groups of like-minded people.

So you see ...that's why I like it! It shows all people that blacks are, in fact, different and should be treated differently.

Baron Max

the comment on the native americans is absolutely correct.

the genocide our european american ancestors committed is largely ignored in the public school system (the MOST important outlet for this information, IMHO).

if ten year olds were taught the history of the usa, they would lose faith in everything that nation is supposed to stand for, however. we would all become nihilists if we were taught those things in a classroom. all patriotism would be dead by the age of 16, and NOONE likes that.

the solution isnt necessarily teaching the past, but for sure setting aside provisions for the ancestors of the natives we slaughtered. reservations just dont cut it. im talking about a whole REGION the size of at least texas that is allowed sovereignty, if they so choose.

random thoughts, sorry.

Yes, that's exactly what it does ...it makes distinctions between blacks and other races/cultures. I.e., it promotes what I think the world should be ....segragated into voluntary groups of like-minded people.

So you see ...that's why I like it! It shows all people that blacks are, in fact, different and should be treated differently.

Baron Max

Well you gotta blame white people for that one Maxy. IF youse guys would've just keep your asses in the caves from whince you came, the world would be a much nicer place. :)

Racism is a very touchy subject with no answer. There is no quick fix, no one action or set of actions will ever really take care of it. However, a few key things should be adressed:

If a white person is not in any way racist, has never done anything racist, and has no racist intentions, he shouldn't be guilt tripped with it. I've never been the least bit racist, EVER in my life and it bugs the hell out of me that many times, either in commercials or speeches white people who have done nothing wrong are guilt tripped with their ancestors racism. That's not right.

If a black person wants justice for their ancestors torment, there's nothing that can be done. I'm sorry but I don't see any logical way to "get back" at slavemasters. It's history, you can't re-write it. However, there is something black people can do to fight racism today, fight for equality. That means NO distinctions, no bringing up the past, no guilt trips, no propeganda. Equal rights.

Black History Month is at the very least a step in the wrong direction. Just look at the name, Black history month. Right off the bat there's discrimination, all this does is further drive people apart. This needs to be swiftly and harshly dealt with, for the sake of the black community. There's a big differance between education about your past and a month-long discrimination in public schools. This drives people apart and is counter-productive to equality. As the original poster quoted, Black History is part of American History. That's where it should be taught, along with Indian-American history, Colonial History and European History. They are all intertwined in Black History, incorporate it where appropriate. Don't seperate it into it's own month, this is simply insane.

Look what you're saying... We don't want to be differant, so we're going to have our own month. That's encouraging the differance.

Black History Month IS at its core racist, and for the sake of racial equality needs to be abolished.

Affirmative Action is a completely differant issue. That is a sort of modern-day reperation without directly paying the black community money, but rather providing the oportunities they missed out by being enslaved and even today living in poverty overall. However, this screws white people out of jobs, so where can you win?